>> FLYING DINOSAUR-BIRD SEEN IN UPSTATE NY !! <<

Fascinating pictures ..the one is of a Pterodactyl..amazing..and the others are Pterosaurs of some type..not the bird i saw..but amazing none the less.
The bird i saw was more like the one link posted which showed like a super sized bird..it was grayish colored with maybe a little brown mixed in.

Yeah Kent, that Pteradactyl in the second photo is amazing...
and that is easily OVER a twenty foot wingspan!

And it has the pointy head just like the guy earlier in the thread, saw with his dad when they were walking through the woods here in Upstate NY !

Yup, they're still around in isolated patches here and there...
and since my friend saw MORE THAN ONE of them clustered in the field that day,
it's logical to conclude that they are BREEDING

Chosen,
after your initial sighting of it that time,
did you ever see any sign of it again?

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Maybe it was one of those pterodactyls that escaped from the big cage at the end of Jurassic Park 3

126505,

thanks for that link !

A Pterodactylus Ate My Baby!

[link to raidentech.com]

[link to hollywoodforces.com]

126542, those links you provided would be relevant if she had been driving around through a Hollywood studio.
She was in the middle of a vast wilderness many many miles from ANY OTHER PEOPLE,
if you are implying that her sighting was someone flying around their remote controlled toy flying dinosaur !

Sources:

:elvis: :osama:

Because I done same thing 20 year ago.
Okay, read this, and click on second link.

Some flying models resemble scaled down versions of piloted aircraft almost as much as static models do, while others are built with no intention of looking like piloted aircraft. There are also models of birds and flying dinosaurs. One company, Flying ThingZ of Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, makes a line of rather whimsical models in addition to a lineup of conventional aircraft. Their more unusual offerings, produced from laser-cut corrugated plastic include a witch on a broomstick, a flying M1A2 Abrams tank, a flying race car and even a 2/3-scale flying lawnmower.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

PTEROSAURS AS FLYING MODELS
The flying vertebrates which dominated the airspace of the Earth during the era of the dinosaurs have always been a source of fascination since the early times of paleontology. Even the classic authors like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got their inspirations partly from the painstaking reconstructed art impressions of the paleontologists. Similarly, numerous artists created illustrations and sculptures reflecting the world of dinosaurs. The best examples of this work today are surely the paintings of John Sibbick and the famous sculptures of Stephen A. Czarkas.

The idea to build up a flyable model of a pterosaur was first realized by the zoologist and behavioral scientist Erich Hoist, This construction was a wing beat model based upon the known "artificial bird" mechanism and resembled the Rhamphorhynchus from Sollnhofen with a wingspan of 1.2m. It was made out of balsa, Japanese paper and incorporated a complicated rubber band power system.

On the occasion of the anniversary of the society of paleontology in Wilhelmshaven, this model fulfilled successful demonstration flights but only with a horizontal tailplane added. The false conclusion drawn, that the tail of Rhamphorhynchus had a horizontal elevator function, was disproved later when clearer fossilized remains were found.

Also well known to the modeler is the model Pterodactyl from the BBC television documentary "Pteranodon", from Steven Winkworth (FMT article - 1985). In this case, the pterosaur modeled was realized as a fixed-wing soarer with a tail-less airfoil, oversized vertical feet and added stabilizers under the femurs. This model flew very well over the slopes of Dorset. A smaller version of this soarer is available from the FMT plans service and is highly recommended. It looks a bit like a young pteranodon and flies very well in light lift. We've proved it!

The most ambitious project was the famous McCready experiment to construct a model of the largest known pterosaur "Quetzalcoatlus" as an RC flying model with half of the natural wingspan of 12m. The model ended up with a wingspan of 5.5m and was additionally controlled on all axes by gyros systems. Even more amazing was the wing beat powered flight which provided a spectacular introduction for several documentaries and even an IMAX film. Most of the flight experiments were performed in the desert landscapes of Death Valley. An unfortunate crash after a winched start ended this successful project of the 80's.

Another original idea is the Rhamphorhynchus model powered by two electric motors mounted in the claw section of the wing. The constructor, Fred Ludwig, introduced his model in FMT magazine (12/83). The layout seems to be a successful was to get a pterosaur in the air by electric power. We are sure that other interesting creations will be displayed in the future that will provide us with an opportunity to see RC flying creatures, extinct or alive.

[link to www.randrmodelaircraft.com]

~ That's fine if we you were involved in that project,
but if you read my original post,
you will see that this type of activity has no relevancy as far as using it to explain the source of what my friend witnessed.

To reiterate,
it was in a very remote spot, there were no other humans around for many many miles, other than her and her boyfriend,
furthermore,
she observed it RISING from the HUNCHED POSITION it had been resting in, and it flew right above where she was driving.

She got a VERY GOOD LOOK>

Additionally, there were a small GROUP of them, clustered around in the hunched position, resting together.

This was definitely not a mechanical flying contraption whatsoever.

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[link to www.otherlandtoys.co.uk]

GOOD ONE!!

..."it was in a very remote spot, there were no other humans around for many many miles, other than her and her boyfriend."
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Any proof? It's silly statement.
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...she observed it RISING from the HUNCHED POSITION it had been resting in, and it flew right above where she was driving.

She got a VERY GOOD LOOK...
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She observed? 20/20 vision?

Sure, radio control range is more then a mile, today maybe more...

Group of what? It's almost plain thing that normal flock of birds out of curiosity follows silently flying modell.
Ask any aeromodeller for confirmation.

I was searching throught the internet and found some rare photos of pterodactyls captured and it was a whole unit of American soldiers of the civil war era had a 10 meter wing span beast under their feet while they were possing in worn out photograph and other photos with one about the same size hanged from a tall tree.

I lost them due to HD format but there were around a ring of websites about the thunderbird indian natives are talking about.

126542, cool toy link.....
but what's your point ?

Ah well.. damn these were the photos!

He!

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126542,
your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff today is it ? Once again, here are the salient points from the original post:
***She had been driving for miles in a remote part of the Adirondack Mountains.
There was no store, house, campground,gas station, anything of the sort, within many MILES of where they were... remote, get it, no people, no flying toy enthusiasts.
***She SLOWED DOWN the veichle as she saw a group if what she believed to be monolith type standing stones,
clustered in a field she was approaching,
these were not a group of birds in flight following a mechanical bird, as you suggested,
they were all ON THE GROUND RESTING TOGETHER IN A GROUP,
as she drew nearer,
one of them, ROSE UP WITH OUT STRETCHED WINGS and flew ABOVE HER CAR <<<<

Using her car as a gauge to measure length against, this BIRD CREATURE flying DIRECTLY OVER HER,
she estimated to have a 26 Foot wingspan.

There is no case of mistaken identity here,
she saw it sitting with the other members of its tribe,
and she also saw it rise up and take flight.

This was definitely NOT AN AIRCRAFT >

Period .

Please, BlueDolphin...
Read also my second post.

..."Also well known to the modeler is the model Pterodactyl from the BBC television documentary "Pteranodon", from Steven Winkworth (FMT article - 1985). In this case, the pterosaur modeled was realized as a fixed-wing soarer with a tail-less airfoil, oversized vertical feet and added stabilizers under the femurs. This model flew very well over the slopes of Dorset. A smaller version of this soarer is available from the FMT plans service and is highly recommended. It looks a bit like a young pteranodon and flies very well in light lift. We've proved it!

The most ambitious project was the famous McCready experiment to construct a model of the largest known pterosaur "Quetzalcoatlus" as an RC flying model with half of the natural wingspan of 12m. The model ended up with a wingspan of 5.5m and was additionally controlled on all axes by gyros systems. Even more amazing was the wing beat powered flight which provided a spectacular introduction for several documentaries and even an IMAX film. Most of the flight experiments were performed in the desert landscapes of Death Valley. An unfortunate crash after a winched start ended this successful project of the 80's.

Another original idea is the Rhamphorhynchus model powered by two electric motors mounted in the claw section of the wing. The constructor, Fred Ludwig, introduced his model in FMT magazine (12/83). The layout seems to be a successful was to get a pterosaur in the air by electric power. We are sure that other interesting creations will be displayed in the future that will provide us with an opportunity to see RC flying creatures, extinct or alive."...

My point is:

She has seen RC modell. And flock of birds. That's my point.

Hollywood.

I believe it, BlueDolphin, because a few years ago I saw a massive bird - one like I had never seen flying low and into some trees. I saw it from behind and the sight of it struck me as something out of a prehistoric era. I actually didn't know what to think. So, I believe your friend.

126542,
what's your purpose here ?
Have you even bothered to read any of the links of supporting evidence here, or did you just come in with your set agenda?
Or do you suffer from severe mental blocks?

She didn't see a robot.
She saw a GROUP of Pteradactyls, and as she drew nearer, one of them took flight.
Obviously it's a fact that they exist in remote places.
Also obvious is that you have trouble comprehending that.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
These sightings are getting more common it seems !
What state are you in 126560?
If these birds are breeding, combined with the fact that their natural habiatat is diminishing and being encroached upon,
'it's only logical to figure that incidents of sightings will be on the rise !

My pterosaur "Quetzalcoatlus" as an RC flying model has the natural wingspan of 12m, move head, legs, and even produce "screams".

And it was 1984.-5...
If you tend to beleive in bullshit stories, it is okay with me...

My point is:

She has seen RC modell. And flock of birds. That's my point.

Hollywood.


You really don't get this....

No, but I tried...

You people are so ignorant.

What are you so afraid of ?

New information comes to light every day.

So, you were trained to believe that these creatures no longer exist,
and
EVIDENCE comes forth which proves that they do.
'It's *WILLFUL IGNORANCE* to decide to CONTINUE to hold to the OLD TRAINING,
rather than embrace the new information and EXPAND your knowledge base....
this keeps your minds tiny and blind...
like this--->

but
free will
have it your way.

It is NOT a queston of free will.

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A borderline writes:
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Everyone has all these traits to a certain extent. Especially teenagers. These traits must be long-standing (lasting years) and persistent. And they must be intense.
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Be very careful about diagnosing yourself or others. In fact, don't do it. Top researchers guide patients through several days of testing before they make a diagnosis. Don't make your own diagnosis on the basis of a WWW site or a book!
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A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects, and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
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Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in (5).
3.

A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. This is called "splitting."

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Post traumatic stress disorder
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Mood disorders
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Panic/anxiety disorders
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Gender identity disorder
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Attention deficit disorder
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Eating disorders
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Multiple personality disorder
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2% of the general population
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10% of all mental health outpatients
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20% of psychiatric inpatients
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126542,
oh it's a question of your boderline personality then is it ?

Err, were you *Assigned* to me today 126542 ?
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