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Major news: Iceland Bardarbunga volcano is "subsiding" (sinking) : center 183feet (56m), edges 24feet (8m)

 
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Major news in Iceland!! Bardarbunga volcano is "subsiding" (sinking). The center has sunk by 183feet (56m), and has sunk by 24feet (8m) at the edges..

If it collapses, we're looking at an area approximately 2km in size which is currently subsiding.

The Icelandic and European professionals have come up with 3 likely scenarios.
Paraphrased:
1. The sinking stops, and nothing major happens. Then the eruption eventually stops.
2. The sinking continues to a certain point , the eruption continues on for a while, but no collapse occurs.
3. The sinking continues , the eruption continues, a collapse occurs - which then causes major melt-off of the glacier, and a large ash eruption.



The lava field is now around 80 km² in size.




20 dec. 2014
GPS has confirmed that the caldera itself is collapsing. The North Rim of caldera has shifted and settled after 5.3 mag earthquake.
50 percent chance that lava flow will decrease, 50% chance it wont and will lead to caldera destabilization or eruption along a new dyke intrusion.
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]



EDIT-ADD:
There is a larger thread about the volcanic activity on Iceland
Thread: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492
but as I explained before it was not explicit mentioned that the area of the volcano was sinking and subsiding so fast on the main forum. I found it important that it was directly seen and noticed/could be read.

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[link to www.volcanodiscovery.com]
Update Fri 19 Dec 10:01

The eruption continues with little variation.
The Nornahraun lava field is now almost 80 square km in size. An extensive lava tube system has formed inside it, bringing supply of lava to the outer areas.

Subsidence of the Bardarbunga caldera continues at remarkably steady linear pace of approx. 50 cm per day.
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Thread: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492

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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Major news in Iceland!! Bardarbunga volcano is "subsiding" (sinking). The center has sunk by 183feet (56m), and has sunk by 24feet (8m) at the edges..

If it collapses, we're looking at an area approximately 2km in size which is currently subsiding.

The Icelandic and European professionals have come up with 3 likely scenarios.
Paraphrased:
1. The sinking stops, and nothing major happens. Then the eruption eventually stops.
2. The sinking continues to a certain point , the eruption continues on for a while, but no collapse occurs.
3. The sinking continues , the eruption continues, a collapse occurs - which then causes major melt-off of the glacier, and a large ash eruption.



The lava field is now around 80 km² in size.




20 dec. 2014
GPS has confirmed that the caldera itself is collapsing. The North Rim of caldera has shifted and settled after 5.3 mag earthquake.
50 percent chance that lava flow will decrease, 50% chance it wont and will lead to caldera destabilization or eruption along a new dyke intrusion.
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]
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Would this better be called an inruption rather than an eruption?
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Thank you hf

But I thought the SUBSIDING was breaking news on its own.
This poses a big threat to Europe ...
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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Good catch !!!!
Smart thought ;)
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^^^^^ You came up from berzerking & made a nice new thread but your awesome reaserch abilities and dot conecting skilz would be better of here!!!!!'dasbier

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On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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Major news in Iceland!! Bardarbunga volcano is "subsiding" (sinking). The center has sunk by 183feet (56m), and has sunk by 24feet (8m) at the edges..

If it collapses, we're looking at an area approximately 2km in size which is currently subsiding.

The Icelandic and European professionals have come up with 3 likely scenarios.
Paraphrased:
1. The sinking stops, and nothing major happens. Then the eruption eventually stops.
2. The sinking continues to a certain point , the eruption continues on for a while, but no collapse occurs.
3. The sinking continues , the eruption continues, a collapse occurs - which then causes major melt-off of the glacier, and a large ash eruption.



The lava field is now around 80 km² in size.




20 dec. 2014
GPS has confirmed that the caldera itself is collapsing. The North Rim of caldera has shifted and settled after 5.3 mag earthquake.
50 percent chance that lava flow will decrease, 50% chance it wont and will lead to caldera destabilization or eruption along a new dyke intrusion.
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]
 Quoting: Krispy71


Would this better be called an inruption rather than an eruption?
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Not exactly,
but I like the remark :) ....inruption/implosion...

There is still eruption, but the lava mass is quickly streaming out ... faster then new lava is made.


The results of the melt of ice due to the heat of the subterranean lava-rivers and the lave-stream on surface is not only affecting the conditions of the above environment, but also changing the pressure and integrity of the rock/soil mountain itself.
It will affect the "push" on land and the counter-effect off-shore. When the weight on land changes, the depth of the sea-floor will increase as land will rise to lower weight-mass ...

So is it really that the Bardarbunga area is only sinking ??? Or is the land rising ???

I think both, but the land-rise will be a small part ... yet ... but this could change abruptly when a lot of ice-mass melts ...

This WAGE-EFFECT will not be reported in global media.


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^^^^^ You came up from berzerking & made a nice new thread but your awesome reaserch abilities and dot conecting skilz would be better of here!!!!!'dasbier
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Tnx hf
You are free to copy any interesting dots to the other thread ;)

This stands alone from Bezerk.
Just found "the sinking" major news to just be lost in a big thread,
the sinking wasnt mentioned on itself on the forum to inform people and make them aware ;)
now people can go from this small thread to the big brother :D


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^^^^^ You came up from berzerking & made a nice new thread but your awesome reaserch abilities and dot conecting skilz would be better of here!!!!!'dasbier
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Tnx hf
You are free to copy any interesting dots to the other thread ;)

This stands alone from Bezerk.
Just found "the sinking" major news to just be lost in a big thread,
the sinking wasnt mentioned on itself on the forum to inform people and make them aware ;)
now people can go from this small thread to the big brother :D


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i guess that makes sense, i follow the other thread and would have loved to see you show up there.
On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Not necessarily. All modern mechanized equipment have air filters, especially to protect against chemical weapons. The ash, if enough of it is ejected, would affect ground actions as well. If really significant, it could even stop soldiers from moving on foot, depending on what equipment they had, as really fine ash would cause lung damage, etc.
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Personally, I'm expecting that some fishing villages near the eruption will be on mountain tops within 3 years...
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Personally, I'm expecting that some fishing villages near the eruption will be on mountain tops within 3 years...
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blink

go on.....
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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Not necessarily. All modern mechanized equipment have air filters, especially to protect against chemical weapons. The ash, if enough of it is ejected, would affect ground actions as well. If really significant, it could even stop soldiers from moving on foot, depending on what equipment they had, as really fine ash would cause lung damage, etc.
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don't forget the intense winter

i wonder who THAT would favour?

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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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Hello AC Iceland
I am very happy with your comment.

You are right : "close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance"

But for 'an event of mythic proportions' is more needed then this. Then we would need simultaneous explosive eruption Events on more then 1 meeting-point if tectonic plates.
This single event could indeed stress up and have effects as a result on other plates ... nothing stays local, everything is connected.

Compare it to 1 crack in an ice-plate ... but with several cracks on strategic places the whole ice-plate would become unstable and break-up into wobbly pieces, some even turn upside down becoz the top-weight is heavier then the mass beneath ...
After all tectonic plates are drifting on fluids just like ice does ...
The "erosion" on the bottom of tectonic plates is important in this all, how much it is weakened [for example with fracking and drilling] and washed away [like you see with sinkholes] or molten away by magma.

An explosive eruption of 1 or more volcanoes on the Icelandic plate would indeed cause differences in counter-weight and elasticity of the strata [pressure balance]. But not that much that would push up fishing-villages 500+ meters ;), for THAT simultaneous events must occur.


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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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Hello AC Iceland
I am very happy with your comment.

You are right : "close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance"

But for 'an event of mythic proportions' is more needed then this. Then we would need simultaneous explosive eruption Events on more then 1 meeting-point if tectonic plates.
This single event could indeed stress up and have effects as a result on other plates ... nothing stays local, everything is connected.

Compare it to 1 crack in an ice-plate ... but with several cracks on strategic places the whole ice-plate would become unstable and break-up into wobbly pieces, some even turn upside down becoz the top-weight is heavier then the mass beneath ...
After all tectonic plates are drifting on fluids just like ice does ...
The "erosion" on the bottom of tectonic plates is important in this all, how much it is weakened [for example with fracking and drilling] and washed away [like you see with sinkholes] or molten away by magma.

An explosive eruption of 1 or more volcanoes on the Icelandic plate would indeed cause differences in counter-weight and elasticity of the strata [pressure balance]. But not that much that would push up fishing-villages 500+ meters ;), for THAT simultaneous events must occur.


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


the mid atlantic ridge is divergent, the south american site you refer to is a convergent subduction zone.

bardabunga is deflating, the chamber is emptying and there will be no catastrophic event from this eruption.

It's dying.
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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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Hello AC Iceland
I am very happy with your comment.

You are right : "close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance"

But for 'an event of mythic proportions' is more needed then this. Then we would need simultaneous explosive eruption Events on more then 1 meeting-point if tectonic plates.
This single event could indeed stress up and have effects as a result on other plates ... nothing stays local, everything is connected.

Compare it to 1 crack in an ice-plate ... but with several cracks on strategic places the whole ice-plate would become unstable and break-up into wobbly pieces, some even turn upside down becoz the top-weight is heavier then the mass beneath ...
After all tectonic plates are drifting on fluids just like ice does ...
The "erosion" on the bottom of tectonic plates is important in this all, how much it is weakened [for example with fracking and drilling] and washed away [like you see with sinkholes] or molten away by magma.

An explosive eruption of 1 or more volcanoes on the Icelandic plate would indeed cause differences in counter-weight and elasticity of the strata [pressure balance]. But not that much that would push up fishing-villages 500+ meters ;), for THAT simultaneous events must occur.


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


the mid atlantic ridge is divergent, the south american site you refer to is a convergent subduction zone.

bardabunga is deflating, the chamber is emptying and there will be no catastrophic event from this eruption.

It's dying.
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really?

you do realise it's been confirmed mantle material is being erupted?

you think the mantle is emptying?
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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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Hello AC Iceland
I am very happy with your comment.

You are right : "close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance"

But for 'an event of mythic proportions' is more needed then this. Then we would need simultaneous explosive eruption Events on more then 1 meeting-point if tectonic plates.
This single event could indeed stress up and have effects as a result on other plates ... nothing stays local, everything is connected.

Compare it to 1 crack in an ice-plate ... but with several cracks on strategic places the whole ice-plate would become unstable and break-up into wobbly pieces, some even turn upside down becoz the top-weight is heavier then the mass beneath ...
After all tectonic plates are drifting on fluids just like ice does ...
The "erosion" on the bottom of tectonic plates is important in this all, how much it is weakened [for example with fracking and drilling] and washed away [like you see with sinkholes] or molten away by magma.

An explosive eruption of 1 or more volcanoes on the Icelandic plate would indeed cause differences in counter-weight and elasticity of the strata [pressure balance]. But not that much that would push up fishing-villages 500+ meters ;), for THAT simultaneous events must occur.


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


the mid atlantic ridge is divergent, the south american site you refer to is a convergent subduction zone.

bardabunga is deflating, the chamber is emptying and there will be no catastrophic event from this eruption.

It's dying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66349749



From THIS ONE ALONE no indeed.
And you are right that the kind of subduction-zone plays a role ...

But volcanic activity is NOT DYING ! Au-Contraire the volcanic activity globally is increasing at an astonishing rate !!!

Lately I read an article and saw a presentation about how much MORE ENERGY is transmitted to the Earth by solar-waves. In short : All that extra energy [watt/volt] is taken up by tectonic plates and other things. This plays a role in the release- and exchange-events like volcanic eruptions, EQ's, etc ...

(I try if I can find that info back)



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And then ... there are planetary-events that can/could attribute to stability or instability ...

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If the caldera, so close to the border of two tectonic plates, destabilises the environmental pressure balance; might we not be seeing an event of mythic proportions, such as what left us with fishing-boat moorings on top of S.American mountains?
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Hello AC Iceland
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xxxK
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the mid atlantic ridge is divergent, the south american site you refer to is a convergent subduction zone.

bardabunga is deflating, the chamber is emptying and there will be no catastrophic event from this eruption.

It's dying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66349749


really?

you do realise it's been confirmed mantle material is being erupted?

you think the mantle is emptying?
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Confirmation:
Erupting Bardarbunga Volcano In Iceland Sits On A Massive ...
www.science20.com › ... › Geology › News Articles
24 okt. 2014 - Since August 31st, Bárðarbunga volcano in central Iceland has been ... to upwelling of hot, deeply sourced mantle material, or "mantle plumes.

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]


Bardarbunga Volcano is a Hot Spot:
A volcanic center, 60 to 120 miles across and persistent for at least a few tens of million of years, that is thought to be the surface expression of a persistent rising plume of hot mantle material.




Magma is produced always and ever, as long as our core is healthy ... It will never die out just like oil and water as long as we stay in the Goldylocks-zone ...

As our core slows down, more heat is able to travel upwards to the surface. This and other chemical reactions related with it transform into magma.

This in fact A MANTLE CAN NOT be EMPTIED ... but the distance of the solid rock above can become less or grow in thickness depending on the internal chemical reactions.

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This is about the Antarctic but the information given is interesting and relevant ;)

Thread: Ice-loss Moves The Earth 250 Miles Down

At the surface, Antarctica is a motionless and frozen landscape. Yet hundreds of miles down the Earth is moving at a rapid rate, new research has shown.

The study, led by Newcastle University, UK, and published this week in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, explains for the first time why the upward motion of the Earth's crust in the Northern Antarctic Peninsula is currently taking place so quickly.

Previous studies have shown the earth is 'rebounding' due to the overlying ice sheet shrinking in response to climate change. This movement of the land was understood to be due to an instantaneous, elastic response followed by a very slow uplift over thousands of years.

But GPS data collected by the international research team, involving experts from Newcastle University, UK; Durham University; DTU, Denmark; University of Tasmania, Australia; Hamilton College, New York; the University of Colorado and the University of Toulouse, France, has revealed that the land in this region is actually rising at a phenomenal rate of 15mm a year – much greater than can be accounted for by the present-day elastic response alone.

And they have shown for the first time how the mantle below the Earth's crust in the Antarctic Peninsula is flowing much faster than expected, probably due to subtle changes in temperature or chemical composition. This means it can flow more easily and so responds much more quickly to the lightening load hundreds of miles above it, changing the shape of the land.

[link to www.science20.com]

Could be causing the increase in recent earthquake activity?!
 Quoting: Face Palmer



Significant eruptions of Mount Erebus reported, Antarctica
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]

Mount Erebus is one of several volcanoes in the McMurdo Volcanic Group which itself consists of Late Cenozoic intraplate alkaline volcanoes. It is also the world's southernmost historically active volcano, and the second highest volcano in Antarctica, after Mount Sidley.
There were 6 more significant eruptions on December 5

MEVO said there is no knowing if this will continue or it was just a one off. It does show, however, that gas is accumulating somewhere at depth and migrates to the lava lake as a big bubble where it bursts explosiviely sending volcanic bombs shooting above the lava lake and sometimes out onto the crater rim where people may be working.



"Global warmin" C02-emissions cant explain this -->


Volcano under Antarctic ice may erupt, accelerate melting
[link to www.nbcnews.com]

And when it does erupt, she added, "there would be an increase in melting around the area. … You would add water to the system beneath the ice sheet … and that could cause that ice stream to speed up."

In other words, global warming likely isn't the only factor causing sea levels to rise, and the discovery of a subglacial volcano adds another layer of complexity for scientists trying to model how polar ice sheets move as the world gets warmer.

A subsequent examination of the bedrock topography made with airborne radar revealed a slight rise above the source of the weak, low-frequency quakes.

"All of the lines of evidence just fell together nicely," Lough said. The clusters of earthquakes "are indicative of magma movement in the crust and that this area is still quite active."

However, the new paper, he added in an email to NBC News sent from Antarctica, "serves as an important reminder that, in addition to climate changes, one-off events such as volcanic eruptions or subglacial lake floods may influence the rate at which Antarctica looses ice to the ocean."



There are lakes and running rivers under the icesheets at Antarctica ... they can only keep existing if "a heat" warms them up.
That heat can only come from volcanic activity and the processes in the mantle just below the crust where Earhts inner materials run faster and push against the sediments above.


xxxK
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bump

East Antarctica is sliding sideways: Ice loss on West Antarctica affecting mantle flow below
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

It's official: East Antarctica is pushing West Antarctica around. Now that West Antarctica is losing weight -- that is, billions of tons of ice per year -- its softer mantle rock is being nudged westward by the harder mantle beneath East Antarctica.
The discovery comes from researchers led by The Ohio State University, who have recorded GPS measurements that show West Antarctic bedrock is being pushed sideways at rates up to about twelve millimeters--about half an inch--per year. This movement is important for understanding current ice loss on the continent, and predicting future ice loss.

They were surprised, she said, to find the bedrock moving towards regions of greatest ice loss.
"From computer models, we knew that the bedrock should rebound as the weight of ice on top of it goes away," Wilson said. "But the rock should spread out from the site where the ice used to be. Instead, we see movement toward places where there was the most ice loss."
The seismic sensors explained why. By timing how fast seismic waves pass through Earth under Antarctica, the researchers were able to determine that the mantle regions beneath east and west are very different. West Antarctica contains warmer, softer rock, and East Antarctica has colder, harder rock.
Or, put another way, ice compressed West Antarctica's soft mantle. Some ice has melted away, but the soft mantle isn't filling back in uniformly, because East Antarctica's harder mantle is pushing it sideways. The crust is just along for the ride.

This finding is significant, Konfal said, because we use these crustal motions to understand ice loss.
"We're witnessing expected movements being reversed, so we know we really need computer models that can take lateral changes in mantle properties into account."

Wilson said that such extreme differences in mantle properties are not seen elsewhere on the planet where glacial rebound is occurring.


So now we have 2 anomalies :
- the two types of warm and cold crust working/rebouncing not as expected
- the fast moving crust and mantle in the Northern part

One can ask >>> Why are mantle regions beneath east and west are very different ?? And why is the North different ???

To really understand the ice-weight loss you must understand the CYCLES and why these DIFFERENCES occur and what relates to them ; electromagnetic field-lines, gravity, neutrinos, cosmic rays and interstellar mediums and so on ...
You cant blame this on Gore's carbon emissions whoehahahahahaha !


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Buttttt although this volcanic activity the Antarctic Ice is growing !!!

Growing Antarctic Ice Sheets May Have Sparked Ice Age [link to www.livescience.com]
Antarctic sea ice mystery thickens ... literally [link to www.aol.com]


Giant Blob of Hot Rock Hidden Under Antarctic Ice
[link to www.livescience.com]
Erebus hotspot [link to en.wikipedia.org]


Iceland hotspot [link to en.wikipedia.org]


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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Wouldnt affect nations that have nuclear trump card.
Are you actually try to suggest that enemies of europe would try to invade countries that cant fly their airforce because of the ash??
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I got RED KARMA for : For starting seperate Bardarbunga thread. The other is very up to date.


Yes I know,
but as I explained before: threads it was not explicit mentioned that the area of the volcano was sinking and subsiding so fast. I found it important that it was directly seen and noticed/could be read.


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If they form a huge ash cloud and it drifts toward EU then nations with huge mechanized armies will have the advantage over those with air superiority only. The window of opportunity to take advantage a huge no fly area could last months or years.
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Surface-to-air missiles don't give a fuck, dude. Try again.
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Major news in Iceland!! Bardarbunga volcano is "subsiding" (sinking). The center has sunk by 183feet (56m), and has sunk by 24feet (8m) at the edges..

If it collapses, we're looking at an area approximately 2km in size which is currently subsiding.

The Icelandic and European professionals have come up with 3 likely scenarios.
Paraphrased:
1. The sinking stops, and nothing major happens. Then the eruption eventually stops.
2. The sinking continues to a certain point , the eruption continues on for a while, but no collapse occurs.
3. The sinking continues , the eruption continues, a collapse occurs - which then causes major melt-off of the glacier, and a large ash eruption.


....


 Quoting: Krispy71


So basically, TRANSLATED.....they know nothing and covered all possible outcomes.

Some brilliant scientists there.
Maybe they should just flip a coin next time and call heads or tails for the outcome.

epiclol
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This is about the Antarctic but the information given is interesting and relevant ;)

Thread: Ice-loss Moves The Earth 250 Miles Down

At the surface, Antarctica is a motionless and frozen landscape. Yet hundreds of miles down the Earth is moving at a rapid rate, new research has shown.

The study, led by Newcastle University, UK, and published this week in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, explains for the first time why the upward motion of the Earth's crust in the Northern Antarctic Peninsula is currently taking place so quickly.

Previous studies have shown the earth is 'rebounding' due to the overlying ice sheet shrinking in response to climate change. This movement of the land was understood to be due to an instantaneous, elastic response followed by a very slow uplift over thousands of years.

But GPS data collected by the international research team, involving experts from Newcastle University, UK; Durham University; DTU, Denmark; University of Tasmania, Australia; Hamilton College, New York; the University of Colorado and the University of Toulouse, France, has revealed that the land in this region is actually rising at a phenomenal rate of 15mm a year – much greater than can be accounted for by the present-day elastic response alone.

And they have shown for the first time how the mantle below the Earth's crust in the Antarctic Peninsula is flowing much faster than expected, probably due to subtle changes in temperature or chemical composition. This means it can flow more easily and so responds much more quickly to the lightening load hundreds of miles above it, changing the shape of the land.

[link to www.science20.com]

Could be causing the increase in recent earthquake activity?!
 Quoting: Face Palmer



Significant eruptions of Mount Erebus reported, Antarctica
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]

Mount Erebus is one of several volcanoes in the McMurdo Volcanic Group which itself consists of Late Cenozoic intraplate alkaline volcanoes. It is also the world's southernmost historically active volcano, and the second highest volcano in Antarctica, after Mount Sidley.
There were 6 more significant eruptions on December 5

MEVO said there is no knowing if this will continue or it was just a one off. It does show, however, that gas is accumulating somewhere at depth and migrates to the lava lake as a big bubble where it bursts explosiviely sending volcanic bombs shooting above the lava lake and sometimes out onto the crater rim where people may be working.



"Global warmin" C02-emissions cant explain this -->


Volcano under Antarctic ice may erupt, accelerate melting
[link to www.nbcnews.com]

And when it does erupt, she added, "there would be an increase in melting around the area. … You would add water to the system beneath the ice sheet … and that could cause that ice stream to speed up."

In other words, global warming likely isn't the only factor causing sea levels to rise, and the discovery of a subglacial volcano adds another layer of complexity for scientists trying to model how polar ice sheets move as the world gets warmer.

A subsequent examination of the bedrock topography made with airborne radar revealed a slight rise above the source of the weak, low-frequency quakes.

"All of the lines of evidence just fell together nicely," Lough said. The clusters of earthquakes "are indicative of magma movement in the crust and that this area is still quite active."

However, the new paper, he added in an email to NBC News sent from Antarctica, "serves as an important reminder that, in addition to climate changes, one-off events such as volcanic eruptions or subglacial lake floods may influence the rate at which Antarctica looses ice to the ocean."



There are lakes and running rivers under the icesheets at Antarctica ... they can only keep existing if "a heat" warms them up.
That heat can only come from volcanic activity and the processes in the mantle just below the crust where Earhts inner materials run faster and push against the sediments above.


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bump

East Antarctica is sliding sideways: Ice loss on West Antarctica affecting mantle flow below
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

It's official: East Antarctica is pushing West Antarctica around. Now that West Antarctica is losing weight -- that is, billions of tons of ice per year -- its softer mantle rock is being nudged westward by the harder mantle beneath East Antarctica.
The discovery comes from researchers led by The Ohio State University, who have recorded GPS measurements that show West Antarctic bedrock is being pushed sideways at rates up to about twelve millimeters--about half an inch--per year. This movement is important for understanding current ice loss on the continent, and predicting future ice loss.

They were surprised, she said, to find the bedrock moving towards regions of greatest ice loss.
"From computer models, we knew that the bedrock should rebound as the weight of ice on top of it goes away," Wilson said. "But the rock should spread out from the site where the ice used to be. Instead, we see movement toward places where there was the most ice loss."
The seismic sensors explained why. By timing how fast seismic waves pass through Earth under Antarctica, the researchers were able to determine that the mantle regions beneath east and west are very different. West Antarctica contains warmer, softer rock, and East Antarctica has colder, harder rock.
Or, put another way, ice compressed West Antarctica's soft mantle. Some ice has melted away, but the soft mantle isn't filling back in uniformly, because East Antarctica's harder mantle is pushing it sideways. The crust is just along for the ride.

This finding is significant, Konfal said, because we use these crustal motions to understand ice loss.
"We're witnessing expected movements being reversed, so we know we really need computer models that can take lateral changes in mantle properties into account."

Wilson said that such extreme differences in mantle properties are not seen elsewhere on the planet where glacial rebound is occurring.


So now we have 2 anomalies :
- the two types of warm and cold crust working/rebouncing not as expected
- the fast moving crust and mantle in the Northern part

One can ask >>> Why are mantle regions beneath east and west are very different ?? And why is the North different ???

To really understand the ice-weight loss you must understand the CYCLES and why these DIFFERENCES occur and what relates to them ; electromagnetic field-lines, gravity, neutrinos, cosmic rays and interstellar mediums and so on ...
You cant blame this on Gore's carbon emissions whoehahahahahaha !


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71



Buttttt although this volcanic activity the Antarctic Ice is growing !!!

Growing Antarctic Ice Sheets May Have Sparked Ice Age [link to www.livescience.com]
Antarctic sea ice mystery thickens ... literally [link to www.aol.com]


Giant Blob of Hot Rock Hidden Under Antarctic Ice
[link to www.livescience.com]
Erebus hotspot [link to en.wikipedia.org]


Iceland hotspot [link to en.wikipedia.org]


xxxK
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Even the Greenland-ice is growing !!!!


Mini Ice Age 2015-2035 | Unusual Phenomenon in the Seas off Greenland (28)




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Green karma for you to counteract the red karma spaz....





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