What uneducated people dont know, is that slavery was never as bad as society today makes it seem.

The 4% of slave owners in the south (1.4%) nationally, treated their slaves far better than any other nation - eg the Ottomans or Chinese who had them all castrated, which is why they left no descendents - as opposed to the US blacks who are the wealthiest on the planet with the most life opportunities - who are coddled and fawned over in vain and frantic efforts to better themselves.

PS - of the freed black slaves 28% went on to own slaves themselves showing just how much they dissaproved of the institution - which along with cannablaism was the cultural norm in Africa.

The reason they rub raw the largely imagined grievances of slavery and 'racism', is because marxist want to use you as the sacrificial vanguard in their Commie revolution, seeing as how the workers won't play along - and by sacrificial I mean they intend to provoke the Christian preppers to slaughter you like Turkeys when your EBT cards don't work, so they can call in the UN to deal with the genocidal 'racists'

True.

And when they were freed after the war, many went north thinking they'd be welcomed with open arms. But when no one gave them food, shelter or a welcome, many went back to their old masters because they had it better there.

Well, no matter how you slice it, it is not good to hold people against their will and to split up families.

Yes, none of those in power had freeing the slaves on their minds. They weren't do gooders. They were only freed as a by product of what was happening.

An employee is not a slave. You can leave your employer and do something else or nothing at all.

You say slavery was never as bad as it seemed, but would you be happy living as a slave, no free will, treated like cattle?

I didn't think so. Believe it or not, black people care about free will too.

This is like a man saying childbirth isn't as bad as they say, just because a few women didn't have horrible experiences.

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american slavery wasn't as bad as some people make it out to be, but in the caribbean slaves were literally worked to death. average life expectancy after arrival was 7 years. americans didn't beat or work their slaves to death typically, though, that's true. so if blacks really want someone to be angry with, they should be angry with the french and dutch who worked them to death, and also most of the transport from africa was done by the dutch, and the slave trade funded the industrial revolution in europe, but blacks don't care about facts, they're not protesting in holland, they just blame america. if blacks want to be taken more seriously and to not be stereotyped as being dumber than whites, you'd think they would read up on some of this. oh, well. who cares anyway. can't let facts get in the way of a good victim narrative.

Wrong. They are not uneducated. It is the educational system that blinds people to such things due to the political agendas of that system.

Many slaves loved the people they worked for and refused to leave when emancipated.

In fact, the sweat shops that produce the stuff you buy at certain stores is made by people who are treated worse.

But you do not have to see any of that.

Yup

From what I am reading, well over half of white immigrants initially came to America came as indentured servants.

Most were sent as adolescents or teenagers. A parent or guardian would sign an agreement with the Sea Captain of the ship and they would get to travel to America free and the Captain would sell their contracts to employers when the ship docked.

There were more indentured servants than slaves, almost all were white and they were not generally treated well. A great number of indentured slaves died of illness or poor living conditions before they ever gained their freedom.

Why is this topic never discussed?

We are lazy fat pigs now. That is why we can't imagine doing heavy labor.

They could kill you/torture you and sell off your family members or rape them if they wanted to. You had no rights. An employee has rights. No one has it better under slavery. You are delusional if that is what you believe.

I'd be willing to bet most slaves were not treated very nicely unless they obeyed orders.

You'd have to be stupid to think it is good treatment, to "reward" someone by not beating or shooting them as long as they do your work for you.

The north - and subsequently history itself - politicized slavery to gain support for the real goal: keeping the states united. This cannot be argued, as it's borne out in every significant event leading to and including the war itself. Lincoln - at the very best - might have been personally upset by the flesh trade, but he was prepared to do whatever it took to keep his power centralized. There was even actual, real consideration - by the Lincoln admin - of solving the "negro problem" by sending a passel of blacks to Madagascar or Cuba to have a sovereign place of their own. So racism was alive and well on both sides of the line.

That said, anybody who seeks to leaven our collective memory of slavery with "it wasn't as bad as they say" is either a fucking liar or an ignoramus. Slaves and owners lived side by side in a state of war, with all the power of the state concentrated on one side. Read the histories. It was "as bad" and much much worse. The hayseed factor on glp gets higher by the second. Smarten up ya hayseeds!

^typed on a computer made in a sweatshop by people who make $2 a day

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Hush.

You aren't telling the accepted Marxist agenda story. It isn't the part of history ANYONE cares about or needs to know, or it'd be in children's text books. Stop trying to think for yourself slave before you're round up like the rest of the baaaahhhh sheep.

Let me ask you this: Would you rather be the slave or the master?

The choice to leave always trumps slavery. People can better themselves. The only ones who believe they can't have a victim mentality. Slavery is never good. Ever.

The problem is the BLACK community of MEN... REFUSE to be self-responsible citizens of the USA.... perhaps the SLAVE mentality is at work here.

All they know is how to make babies and then RUN for the door on to the next.... and they do not pay or are not held accountable.

So, their BEHAVIOUR is not of CIVILIZED people.... I don't like the word slave but irresponsible is true.

The OP and GM are exactly right; the Civil War had NOTHING to do with slavery. Most so-called "slaves" were basically employees and were treated very well. As usual, the TPTB-owned MSM is full of shit.

Watch and learn, if you dare.

I don think he is suggesting we take them back.

How's that any different than it is today.

Everyone is a slave, they just dont know it, or dont care to know it.




1. You have to be a slave to a company to get money or you have to be a slave to the government to get money. You must pay taxes on that. It can be stripped away from you against your will.

2. Without money you cant buy things to eat, or buy the resources to feed yourself. You must pay taxes on that. It can be stripped away from you against your will.

3. You dont every truly own your land, and you must pay taxes and fees for "owning" it. It can be stripped away from you against your will.

4. You can have children, but they can be stripped away from your against your will.

5. If your life is deemed unimportant or "unsaveable" by doctors or medical professionals, it will be stripped away from you.



So how exactly is this any different than slavery from the past? At least back then all of them could see the chains.

Indentured servants normally had a contract for 5-7 years, after which they were supposed to be given tools, clothes, and usually a smallish piece of land. Early on there was little separating indentures from slaves, but gradually laws were put into place giving indentures some rights that slaves didn't have, especially in regards to the punishments allowed for different misbehavior.

Indentures far outnumbered African slaves early on. They were cheaper and just as exploitable. Gradually though, a combination of factors led to the preference for Africans. These ranged from greed, such as attempts to avoid paying freedom dues, to the rapid creation of a poor, resentful, white underclass, forced onto the worst land, still dependent on their former owners for everything from access to merchants to protection from the Indians.

When this underclass began to exert the only power they had, the threat of violence (see Bacon's Rebellion), the landowners quickly concluded that the African slave was a much safer and more economic means to solving their labor shortages. At the same time, more rigid codes regarding blacks were put into law, in an attempt to separate low class whites and blacks, and target the anger of poor whites towards blacks rather than the wealthy.

"Imagine that California seceded from the union and an American president responded with the carpet bombing of Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco that destroyed 90 percent of those cities. Such was the case with General Sherman's bombardment of Atlanta; a naval blockcade; a blocking off of virtually all trade; the eviction of thousands of residents from their homes (as occurred in Atlanta in 1864); the destruction of most industries and farms; massive looting of private property by a marauding army; and the killing of one out of four males of military age while maiming for life more than double that number.

Would such an American president be considered a "great statesman" or a war criminal? The answer is obvious. A statesman would have recognized the state's right to secede, as enshrined in the Tenth Amendment, among other places, and then worked diligently to persuade the seceded state that a reunion was in its best interest. A great statesman, or even a modest one, would not have impulsively plunged the entire nation into a bloody war.

Lincoln's warmongering belligerence and his invasion of all the Southern states in response to Fort Sumter (where no one was harmed or killed) cause the upper South - Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas - to secede after originally voting to remain in the Union. He refused to meet with Confederate commissioners to discuss peace and even declined a meeting with Napoleon III of France, who offered to broker a peace agreement. No genuine statesman would behave in such a way.

After Fort Sumter, Lincoln thanked naval commander Gustavus Fox for assisting him in manipulating the South Carolinians into firing at Fort Sumter. A great statesman does not manipulate his own people into starting one of the bloodiest wars in human history."

- Tom DiLorenzo, Lincoln Unmasked

You stupid fuckwad it is not. New world Negro slavery started in the Caribbean. It had its greatest numbers in Brazil. Almost all slave trade came out of the Caribbean and spread to North, Central and South America

and whites, especially Irish, were slaves in America before and during blacks being slaves

True dat

States' (pl) rights were wasted over the stupid argument over slavery.

Yes. States rights gave individual states the right to allow slavery. Right or wrong, it was a power granted in the Constitution.

When it became the death-knell of the Union, it was decided by whoever really pulled the strings, to kill states rights as the only way to prevent such regionally divergent conflicting views on things so serious as the lives of people.


States rights if I recall were finally totally lost in the 1870s over lands rights issues regarding railroad land acquisitions. This is when Congress changed law permitting corporations to have rights ( and MORE rights) than natural persons. This is when corporations took over the job of slavery. Abraham Lincoln warned us the coming corporations were sure to be far more cruel than any slave owner.

And here we are, most of us not really much above slave level, our freedom to change our condition an difficult as a slave imagining escape.

When I think of a view of states rights gone well now I think of Quebec, where I have been many times. They almost left the union, because they are so defiantly French. But they stayed with Canada, permitted that the government recognize and not subvert the nature, culture or require excessive "anglo-ization"; they don't require dual lingual signage, etc.

Slavery occurs when one group of people want to make lots of $$$$ and do it on the backs of those less fortunate...

because they weren't black.