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How Vulnerable Is America to Mass Starvation?

 
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An estimated seven million people starved to death during the Great Depression. And amazingly, these people had food preparation skills that are basically a lost art in America today (e.g. canning).

With a staggering debt looming over the country, how vulnerable are Americans to starvation if and when an economic collapse takes down our economy?

It is not a secret that the world is in a desperate situation when it comes to overall world hunger. The World Bank cites the disturbing fact that there have been 51 food riots in 37 countries in recent memory due to high food prices and the further escalation of food prices has no end in sight. The World Bank further speculates that the present state of food prices could lead to political instability and this is the kind of stuff that wars are made of. And what is the number one cause of rising food prices according to the World Bank? It is the increasing demand (see attached PDF) for food from a growing population inside of China. The future military implications should be self-evident. But what about the United States? How vulnerable are Americans to the possibility of mass starvation?

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It's bad people... We are so close to the edge as a society...

Almost beyond belief, a full 79 percent of the people that use food banks purchase typically buy cheap, unhealthy food and still just have enough to feed their children. The price of food continues to quickly out-pace the paychecks of most middle-class families. For example, the average price of ground beef has just hit a brand new all-time record high of $3.88 per pound! There are nearly 50 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity in various degrees of distress.Just over one out of seven Americans rely on obtaining food from various banks at one point or another and these food banks are beginning to experience record shortages.

In a case of “defend the nation and starve”, military families are feeling even more stress from not being able to obtain sufficient quantities of food as 25% of America military families require outside assistance in getting enough to eat. What does this say about an administration which uses our soldiers to defend the nation and then kicks them to the curb by denying their VA health benefits as the government also starves their families because they cannot survive on what we pay our soldiers? This is disgraceful, but it is the Obama fundamental transformation of American way!
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I think we are extremely vulnerable and are completely dependent upon a fragile distribution system. Most people live in urban/suburban areas without the space to grow food even if they had the knowledge to do so.

Speaking of knowledge, many people would not even know how to prepare raw foods and are dependent upon the restaurant/microwavable box system.
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THX for PIN. shitstir2
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I think we are extremely vulnerable and are completely dependent upon a fragile distribution system. Most people live in urban/suburban areas without the space to grow food even if they had the knowledge to do so.

Speaking of knowledge, many people would not even know how to prepare raw foods and are dependent upon the restaurant/microwavable box system.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Agree. My neighbors think it is just AMAZING that I have a garden. I literally get the question, "is that really how potatoes are grown? They are dirty".
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I will go ahead and say about 80% of the US population would stave to death within the first 6 months without some sort of international intervention on a daily basis. It's a horrifying thought but not hard to believe with statistics like these.
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It's bad people... We are so close to the edge as a society...

Almost beyond belief, a full 79 percent of the people that use food banks purchase typically buy cheap, unhealthy food and still just have enough to feed their children. The price of food continues to quickly out-pace the paychecks of most middle-class families. For example, the average price of ground beef has just hit a brand new all-time record high of $3.88 per pound! There are nearly 50 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity in various degrees of distress.Just over one out of seven Americans rely on obtaining food from various banks at one point or another and these food banks are beginning to experience record shortages.

In a case of “defend the nation and starve”, military families are feeling even more stress from not being able to obtain sufficient quantities of food as 25% of America military families require outside assistance in getting enough to eat. What does this say about an administration which uses our soldiers to defend the nation and then kicks them to the curb by denying their VA health benefits as the government also starves their families because they cannot survive on what we pay our soldiers? This is disgraceful, but it is the Obama fundamental transformation of American way!
 Quoting: TripleH


The pot roast I prepared for dinner last night was $17. For a blade pot roast!!! We are not talking top round. Crazy1
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Question for you. With the drop in Oil and Gasoline, do you see food prices decreasing? I think not....
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exceptionally vulnerable

as we are
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grass, slugs worms and spiders.

mmm mmm mmm

washed down with a glass of vintage stagnant water, and a few flakes of tree bark for afters

what could be better?
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It's bad people... We are so close to the edge as a society...

Almost beyond belief, a full 79 percent of the people that use food banks purchase typically buy cheap, unhealthy food and still just have enough to feed their children. The price of food continues to quickly out-pace the paychecks of most middle-class families. For example, the average price of ground beef has just hit a brand new all-time record high of $3.88 per pound! There are nearly 50 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity in various degrees of distress.Just over one out of seven Americans rely on obtaining food from various banks at one point or another and these food banks are beginning to experience record shortages.

In a case of “defend the nation and starve”, military families are feeling even more stress from not being able to obtain sufficient quantities of food as 25% of America military families require outside assistance in getting enough to eat. What does this say about an administration which uses our soldiers to defend the nation and then kicks them to the curb by denying their VA health benefits as the government also starves their families because they cannot survive on what we pay our soldiers? This is disgraceful, but it is the Obama fundamental transformation of American way!
 Quoting: TripleH


The pot roast I prepared for dinner last night was $17. For a blade pot roast!!! We are not talking top round. Crazy1
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


In Nov we bought a 1/2 grass fed cow from Montana. It ran me $1,200... The previous year it was $825... Lasts us about a year, but that is quite an increase. Next year, I'm purchasing a couple yearlings for my farm.

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I think we are extremely vulnerable and are completely dependent upon a fragile distribution system. Most people live in urban/suburban areas without the space to grow food even if they had the knowledge to do so.

Speaking of knowledge, many people would not even know how to prepare raw foods and are dependent upon the restaurant/microwavable box system.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


There would be massive exodus of people from Cities within the first week. People outside of the cities would have to be ready for complete and total chaos with people coming into town and trying to loot and pillage whatever they can get there hands on. I hate to say it but I don't think any amount of guns and ammunition would be able to save most people.
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Question for you. With the drop in Oil and Gasoline, do you see food prices decreasing? I think not....
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Not likely. Once food prices increase, rarely do they drop at the retail level -- unless there is just an enormous backlog in supply.
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What will be will be.

Since you are not working to change anything, at least sit back and enjoy it.

Why worry about something you dont care enough about to stop?

Are you just faking it cos you still haven't made it?
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I think we are extremely vulnerable and are completely dependent upon a fragile distribution system. Most people live in urban/suburban areas without the space to grow food even if they had the knowledge to do so.

Speaking of knowledge, many people would not even know how to prepare raw foods and are dependent upon the restaurant/microwavable box system.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


There would be massive exodus of people from Cities within the first week. People outside of the cities would have to be ready for complete and total chaos with people coming into town and trying to loot and pillage whatever they can get there hands on. I hate to say it but I don't think any amount of guns and ammunition would be able to save most people.
 Quoting: KickAzCarlin


Do you think trip mines would work? grinning
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1000%

Exective orders signed and accepted allow taking everything you have or do.

Once its law it will be used eventuality.

The point is govt will fuck up and then take everything from you to survive while you starvek freeze and die
Govt bureaucrats deserve a do over at your own experience.
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For people in my area, nada.

I haven't been grocery shopping inside a store in years. Its either barter/trade goods and services with local farmers or cash.

Lots of hunting and fishing around here as well.

I realize that if the shit hit the fan city people would be spreading out to find food, but we're [meaning we as a community] are prepared for that.

My guess is that welfare payments will be lowered again as well as disability payments [the new welfare].

Whatever short term benefits people experience as a result in drop in gas and heating oil payments, it will be realized in core prices rising with inflation. I don't mean the CPI which does not include food and energy costs. I mean the cash people fork over for food at the grocery store.
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Well, I live on a small farm and ranch. I am surround by mammoth ranches that are totally dependent on weekly and sometimes daily fuel, feed, and resource delivery.

A one week disruption in electric or fuel, and most of the country would be in very, very, very, very, very, deep shit!
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Well, I live on a small farm and ranch. I am surround by mammoth ranches that are totally dependent on weekly and sometimes daily fuel, feed, and resource delivery.

A one week disruption in electric or fuel, and most of the country would be in very, very, very, very, very, deep shit!
 Quoting: Jäger67


What you are talking about is a total disruption in the supply chain of this country. There are multiple routes and multiple chains; if they were all to fail then the chaos party would be nationwide.
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It takes only 9 missed meals to make a man a bloodthirsty savage.

Add to that the fact that a man with a family will disregard any and all social strictures to keep that family alive.



We are more vulnerable than ever.
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With loss of electricity.
EMP or cyber attacks.
We'll know just how susceptible Americans are to starvation.
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Question for you. With the drop in Oil and Gasoline, do you see food prices decreasing? I think not....
 Quoting: TripleH


I think the cost to the grocers and distributers will have to drop because of the reduced transportation costs, but I don't think they will pass on the savings to the consumers.
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Well, I live on a small farm and ranch. I am surround by mammoth ranches that are totally dependent on weekly and sometimes daily fuel, feed, and resource delivery.

A one week disruption in electric or fuel, and most of the country would be in very, very, very, very, very, deep shit!
 Quoting: Jäger67


Good point!
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The pot roast I prepared for dinner last night was $17. For a blade pot roast!!! We are not talking top round. Crazy1
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I don't know where you live or what the country is like around you. If you can, get to know some farmers, especially free range or Amish farmers, and order maybe something like half a cow or half a pig. Have them butcher it to your specifications if you don't know how to do that yourself. If push comes to shove, you could raise rabbits in a garage for daily consumption. They breed like....well, rabbits. There are a lot of vegetables you can grow indoors with grow lights and misters. The initial outlay for the equipment can be costly but short term you will quickly recoup that loss.
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Govt can decide ti


Take your money
Take your foif
Take your food
Take your time.
Take your home
Take yiur water

They dont have to ask, they dont have to explain, they dont have to compensate or return, so yes you will.

You tell me how you can survive with no property, privacy or rights.
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I have always been told most families (wether it makes a difference in the other Countries) in the UK are only 1 month away from total bedlam ,ie starvation ,homelessness etc ..I know from my situation which isn't brilliant backs up this fact , when you are reliant on a low income job you can't save a lot if any ,so if my luck how ever tiny and small it is suddenly gives way unless I quickly get back into a job (which isn't hard but same cash as now) I would be in crap ..........
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For people in my area, nada.

I haven't been grocery shopping inside a store in years. Its either barter/trade goods and services with local farmers or cash.

Lots of hunting and fishing around here as well.

I realize that if the shit hit the fan city people would be spreading out to find food, but we're [meaning we as a community] are prepared for that.

My guess is that welfare payments will be lowered again as well as disability payments [the new welfare].

Whatever short term benefits people experience as a result in drop in gas and heating oil payments, it will be realized in core prices rising with inflation. I don't mean the CPI which does not include food and energy costs. I mean the cash people fork over for food at the grocery store.
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What state are you in if I may ask?
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Question for you. With the drop in Oil and Gasoline, do you see food prices decreasing? I think not....
 Quoting: TripleH


I think the cost to the grocers and distributers will have to drop because of the reduced transportation costs, but I don't think they will pass on the savings to the consumers.
 Quoting: A Muse


No they will not. Almost everything you buy at a grocers either is made with oil at the manufacturing level, uses oil in the production of packaging, or both.

You will not realize any savings because they will claim anticipation of future rising costs in both oil and items produced with oil. You will also note that a lot of packaged items have much less of the item in the bags. The costs will be passed onto you one way or another.
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Govt can decide to with just a declaration with no criteria or limits


Take your money
Take your oil
Take your food
Take your time.
Take your home
Take your water
Take your vehicles
Take your medicines
Take anything they want that is animal vegetable or mineral

They dont have to ask, they dont have to explain, they dont have to compensate or return, so yes you will be just fine because govt is an excellent steward of other peoples stuff as long as its for their own benefit.

You tell me how you can survive with no property, privacy or rights.
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You look at the following video in 2 ways. 1st you are amazed at the logistics of moving goods. Then 2nd, if you have any brains, you realize that there are many points in the supply chain that could break.


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For people in my area, nada.

I haven't been grocery shopping inside a store in years. Its either barter/trade goods and services with local farmers or cash.

Lots of hunting and fishing around here as well.

I realize that if the shit hit the fan city people would be spreading out to find food, but we're [meaning we as a community] are prepared for that.

My guess is that welfare payments will be lowered again as well as disability payments [the new welfare].

Whatever short term benefits people experience as a result in drop in gas and heating oil payments, it will be realized in core prices rising with inflation. I don't mean the CPI which does not include food and energy costs. I mean the cash people fork over for food at the grocery store.
 Quoting: Aspamce


What state are you in if I may ask?
 Quoting: TripleH


Indiana. Our area abuts a national forest and a state forest. City people would be walking for days and days over rough terrain to find our farms. We're so remote that our "street" gets plowed after one of the farmers gets up and runs a tractor to clear it. Sometimes no one does it and we're snowed in for days. We don't really care one way or another.





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