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Are there two God's? A "good guy" and " bad guy"? Does the Bible/Qu'ran/Talmud show this?

 
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I believe there are two "Gods", niether of which are the "creator". There is the Annunaki "God", the one referred to in the books - this is a fiction, an invention to keep the lab experiments under control, but primarily to indoctrinate humanity into an army against life on Earth.

Then there is JC's "Father" - the "good guy".

It reads very much like JC could have been ET, which means that the Annunaki could easily also have been ET, and these two ET's have opposing agenda's.

One thing for sure though is that the original religions were designed to ensure total annihilation of all life on Earth, and that they came from the Annunaki. The reason for erradicating life on Earth appears to be unknown, but could be some sort of "retalliation" or vengeance.

JC's mission was to try and derail the plan, to "save" life on Earth from garraunteed extinction, but he failed in his first mission, hence the "second coming"?

JC represented Nature, and his "Father" represented the Universe - Living Nature came into being via the Universe?

The religions preach 100% against life on Earth, they go against the Universal fundamental of balance and equilibrium in every possible aspect. JC knew that the only possible end result would be the armageddon, that the original creators of the religion also knew was inevitable due to thier plan, so could easily "forecast".

JC was 100% opposed to this, and spent his entire time trying to show people that the only way they could "live forever" - not become extinct - was to embrace Nature and the Universes principle of balance, equilibrium and sufficiency.

JC and his "father" are the "good guy" - the "God" of the books is the "bad guy".

Once that is realised, and the lies and deception removed, it becomes very apparent. The twisting of JC's words is obvious - most of the time he talks about his "father", then some arsehole every now and again adds "God THE Father" - or some such to try and link them. There is so much which has been deleted that often JC's statements mean nothing, since it's only such a small part, that one has no bloody idea what he had been taliking about in relation and context previously.

Unfortunately the evil God has had free reign and has almost succeeded - life on Earth is on it's knees due to the relentless onslaught of all humanity against Nature, an ideology implemented and driven home by religion.

Lets hope it's not too late, and that this year marks the "second coming", or a turning of the tables. Nature is goind to need us to lay off with the relentless body blows, and give her a hand up and a soothing of her wounds if she is to have any chance of survival.

Perhaps the "second coming" is just an avalanche of understanding running through all humanity of just how evil the religions are, and JC's efforts won't have been in vain.

We live in hope.

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Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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God is bipolar!!!

This would explain so much.
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God is bipolar!!!

This would explain so much.
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The world is bipolar, not God.
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It's all confusing to me, still trying to sort out who might be whom.

I do believe that there are/were at least two Gods. And the Bible makes clear that we are not to put any other gods before Him. Seems to me that is admitting there were more than a couple. (Of course, that might also include the images/idols/deities that some were worshipping back then 'as a God', that He was letting them know in no uncertain words, that they were not to be worshipped as God at all).

Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament. Very different characteristics, for starters.

Seems that there were many gods among the Anunnaki, perhaps some were gods and some were God, with a capital G. It could be that none of them actually was the 'God' we think of, but perhaps was thought of as 'deity gods' by the Sumerians, who may not have known what else to call them. Altho it does appear that 'Enki' may have been a creator god, but not THE creator God, the one who created everything first. And reading about the Anunnaki brings up the question of who then, was 'Enlil'? Some suggest that Enlil could have been equated with Jesus, while Enki could have been equated with Satan, yet I am not convinced of any of that.... yet anyway.

One interesting thing to note about Genesis, is that there seems to have been several 'beginnings'. An indepth study of those first few verses, with the original Hebrew meanings of those words, gives the indication of several beginnings, at least two, just in the first few verses. That led me down a rabbit hole, which has certainly opened my eyes.

Other interesting things about the Bible include the several stories in the Bible that are direct parallels with earlier stories told long before the Bible was even written. Very interesting indeed. Such as 'Noah's Ark', 'David and Bathsheba', the '10 Commandments', and etc. But that is a whole thread by itself.

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Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament.
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There is only one God, in Monotheism.
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Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament.
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There is only one God, in Monotheism.
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That's what I was taught to believe, yes.

One wonders though, why then we are commanded to have no other gods before Him?

(assuming there are no other gods, why would that commandment even be necessary?).

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Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament.
 Quoting: Myst_Wolfsong


There is only one God, in Monotheism.
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That's what I was taught to believe, yes.

One wonders though, why then we are commanded to have no other gods before Him?

(assuming there are no other gods, why would that commandment even be necessary?).

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1God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the “gods”:
2“How long will you defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.
4Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5“They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6“I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler. Psalm 82
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I believe there are two "Gods", niether of which are the "creator". There is the Annunaki "God", the one referred to in the books - this is a fiction, an invention to keep the lab experiments under control, but primarily to indoctrinate humanity into an army against life on Earth.

Then there is JC's "Father" - the "good guy".

It reads very much like JC could have been ET, which means that the Annunaki could easily also have been ET, and these two ET's have opposing agenda's.

One thing for sure though is that the original religions were designed to ensure total annihilation of all life on Earth, and that they came from the Annunaki. The reason for erradicating life on Earth appears to be unknown, but could be some sort of "retalliation" or vengeance.

JC's mission was to try and derail the plan, to "save" life on Earth from garraunteed extinction, but he failed in his first mission, hence the "second coming"?

JC represented Nature, and his "Father" represented the Universe - Living Nature came into being via the Universe?

The religions preach 100% against life on Earth, they go against the Universal fundamental of balance and equilibrium in every possible aspect. JC knew that the only possible end result would be the armageddon, that the original creators of the religion also knew was inevitable due to thier plan, so could easily "forecast".

JC was 100% opposed to this, and spent his entire time trying to show people that the only way they could "live forever" - not become extinct - was to embrace Nature and the Universes principle of balance, equilibrium and sufficiency.

JC and his "father" are the "good guy" - the "God" of the books is the "bad guy".

Once that is realised, and the lies and deception removed, it becomes very apparent. The twisting of JC's words is obvious - most of the time he talks about his "father", then some arsehole every now and again adds "God THE Father" - or some such to try and link them. There is so much which has been deleted that often JC's statements mean nothing, since it's only such a small part, that one has no bloody idea what he had been taliking about in relation and context previously.

Unfortunately the evil God has had free reign and has almost succeeded - life on Earth is on it's knees due to the relentless onslaught of all humanity against Nature, an ideology implemented and driven home by religion.

Lets hope it's not too late, and that this year marks the "second coming", or a turning of the tables. Nature is goind to need us to lay off with the relentless body blows, and give her a hand up and a soothing of her wounds if she is to have any chance of survival.

Perhaps the "second coming" is just an avalanche of understanding running through all humanity of just how evil the religions are, and JC's efforts won't have been in vain.

We live in hope.

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There is but only ONE GOD, and He is a good GOD. The other guy, the bad guy, likes to think he is a god, but he is not.
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you are both

physical you/desires (bad guy) -feminine
mental you/spirit (good guy) -masculine

negative & positive cosmic forces that create you
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you are both

physical you/desires (bad guy) -feminine HUNGER / PAIN
mental you/spirit (good guy) -masculine STRENGTH / KNOWLEDGE

negative & positive cosmic forces that create you
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physical you/desires (bad guy) -feminine HUNGER / PAIN
mental you/spirit (good guy) -masculine STRENGTH / KNOWLEDGE
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Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament.
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There is only one God, in Monotheism.
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That's what I was taught to believe, yes.

One wonders though, why then we are commanded to have no other gods before Him?

(assuming there are no other gods, why would that commandment even be necessary?).

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Just to chuck something further into the equation. Why is it so imperative that "super-natural" stuff is so evil? It was so bad that people "who spoke to the spirits" were burned at the stake and any "pagan" practises of "talking to the ancestors" had to be erradicated.

Was somebody terrified that someone might be told things which would upset the plan? That some other entity may say something different to what was being indoctrinated - that there was the one and only "God"?
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The only reason you want "ets" is because the pupit known as media and it's brethren in science falsely called, have convinced you that they are real.

Somehow it's easier for you to believe their myth and hoax that ancient people were stupid goatherders easily mistaking extraterrestrials for 'gods'. Just last night, I was watching a film which included that exact conclusion. Hear something enough and it becomes on's belief.

As far as two gods in scripture, you fail to distinguish the vertical relationship of man with the One True God. Law lords and grace lords. Having both makes 'Lord, Lord'. Jesus prayed that eternal life is to know the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ...
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The only reason you want "ets" is because the pupit known as media and it's brethren in science falsely called, have convinced you that they are real.

Somehow it's easier for you to believe their myth and hoax that ancient people were stupid goatherders easily mistaking extraterrestrials for 'gods'. Just last night, I was watching a film which included that exact conclusion. Hear something enough and it becomes on's belief.

As far as two gods in scripture, you fail to distinguish the vertical relationship of man with the One True God. Law lords and grace lords. Having both makes 'Lord, Lord'. Jesus prayed that eternal life is to know the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ...
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That's the whole point - there are NO "vertical relationships" anywhere shown in the Universe or Nature.

NOTHING that is un-balanced, or not operating in equilibrium, is sustainable - the system will sooner or later stop.

JC did not do "vertical relationships", he did horizontal ones, where all life was equal. He did NOT do Kings and serfs - those words are not his, but twisted aberrations in order to subvert his teachings for the cause of the religion. He fought the doctrine to the death.

Without the "vertical relationships", the entire doctrine designed to eliminate life on this planet would have collapsed. JC was an extreme threat in that regard.
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Just to chuck something further into the equation. Why is it so imperative that "super-natural" stuff is so evil? It was so bad that people "who spoke to the spirits" were burned at the stake and any "pagan" practises of "talking to the ancestors" had to be erradicated.

Was somebody terrified that someone might be told things which would upset the plan? That some other entity may say something different to what was being indoctrinated - that there was the one and only "God"?
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The way I understand it, is that the cultures in ancient times believed in 'many' gods (deities). Along came those who decided that their belief in 'one' God was the right way for the masses to follow. They also decided (proclaimed) that any other beliefs that differed from their own, were considered 'pagan' and would be eradicated. This included the people themselves if it came to that, and it did. Seems that for them, attempting to burn/destroy earlier manuscripts, texts, ancient finds, artwork, and etc was all part of eradicating what they had decided were 'pagan' beliefs. And what they did was destroy much of our true history, which they simply did not agree with, as it didn't match at all the lies they were projecting on to the masses.

As a result.... those of us today who are trying to wrap our minds around this stuff, have been lied to all our lives... by those who were lied to all their lives... by others who were lied to... and etc.... all the way back to the heathens who started the lies to begin with. (not gonna mention names, no not me).

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The way I understand it, is that the cultures in ancient times believed in 'many' gods (deities). Along came those who decided that their belief in 'one' God was the right way for the masses to follow. They also decided (proclaimed) that any other beliefs that differed from their own, were considered 'pagan' and would be eradicated. This included the people themselves if it came to that, and it did. Seems that for them, attempting to burn/destroy earlier manuscripts, texts, ancient finds, artwork, and etc was all part of eradicating what they had decided were 'pagan' beliefs. And what they did was destroy much of our true history, which they simply did not agree with, as it didn't match at all the lies they were projecting on to the masses.

As a result.... those of us today who are trying to wrap our minds around this stuff, have been lied to all our lives... by those who were lied to all their lives... by others who were lied to... and etc.... all the way back to the heathens who started the lies to begin with. (not gonna mention names, no not me).

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'K, so lets start just by looking at the "facts" as best as we are able to know them.

1. These "new" religions came about only 6 to 8000 years ago.

2. The religion absolutely ensures strict control via an un-balanced vertical hierarchy system based on rule and punishment - which is entirely un-natural to the Universe or Nature.

3. Nothing which is un-balanced, or not operating in equilibrium, is sustainable.

Who came up with the idea and implemented the religions?

So far, it looks very much like the Annunaki of the Sumerian texts.

Why would they have done this?

Sitchen thought about the gold angle. That's a bit of a stretch for me, mainly because gold is just a human fixation which originated as a form of easily stored and exchanged labour.

Looking at how the religions focus on un-balance and the ensuring Nature is regarded as "the enemy", it makes far more sense to me that the purpose was to ensure total destruction of life on the planet at the hands of humanity.

Now what "creator" in his right mind would do this? Only the "creators" enemy would do such a thing.

So, are the Annunaki ET? It could be argued that the Annunaki were possibly a remnant of an earler civilisation - and we have numerouse myth and possible reference to Lemuria, Atlantis and so forth. If we look at that angle, it is entirely possible that thier civilisation was destroyed by some natural disaster, asteroid, volcanic etc - and that these few survivors "had it in" for Nature, believing that Nature purposely destroyed them. That would give some reason for them to use thier technology and psychology to "avenge" this, by implemeting this plan of revenge and destroying life on Earth permanently.

However, all the talk of "coming from the heavens" points more toward ET.

Then we have JC. Wise men being led to him via a "star" - ET drone? Him "ascending" to the heavens, him having a chat with a couple of "men" on the top of a mountain who were "radiantly" lit up etc. All also points toward ET.

So, do we have two sets of ET? One crowd bent on destruction of life here permanently, and thier opposition who are trying to prevent that?

Is this the "war" between Good and Evil?
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Seems that the God of the old testament is not the same as the God of the new testament.
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There is only one God, in Monotheism.
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That's what I was taught to believe, yes.

One wonders though, why then we are commanded to have no other gods before Him?

(assuming there are no other gods, why would that commandment even be necessary?).

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popcorn
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Is JC the "good guys" trying to derail the Annunaki's "religion"?
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O.K., we first need to see religion as a plan to destroy life on Earth permanently.

First we need to realise the simple fact that anything not in balance or equilibrium cannot possibly sustain, hence the Universe constantly strives for balance, equilibrium and sufficiency.

Now look at religion. Number one, it is totally against balance, starting from the "vertical hierarchy" of a "superor" "God". Number two, it focuses entirely on "man", the exceptionally few mentions of Nature are only derisive, or telling "man" that it is worth nothing - subserviant, un-neccessary and that man has been given it to with whatever he likes. Nature is the enemy, there was extrem consternation because JC didn't wash Nature off his hands before eating.

Now look at humanity today, all those thousands of years later. The sentiment has not changed. There is not a single, solitary thing man does in accordance with Nature. It is so bad that every smallest thing Natural must be erradicated, and if that is not possible, changed or made to be disgusting. E.G., if our hair grows, it MUST be cut or changed. If it is natural to have a pee, it MUST be hidden, illegalised, whatever. If plaque forms on the teeth to protect them, it MUST be scrubbed off at least once a day.
One can take ANY smallest aspect of humanity today and it is entirely against Nature.

One can also see quite clearly that this all originated from the new religions.

Now, none of this makes any sort of sense. Without Nature, humanity cannot possibly survive. this was all put into place long before we had any sort of technology, it's not as if we had managed to make food and water out of cosmic radiation or something, which meant we had no need for Nature any longer. Why on Earth would we come up with such a stupid idea that Nature is our enemy on our own, or via evolution? Doesn't make sense, yet here we are!

The new religions did this - so WHY?
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There are no gods. There exists a core of creation in everything in the universe. That core is your concept of God.

You're right that core or spark is represented as The Father.

Jesus meant the father (the spark) is in him, as in all of us and every piece of matter. We are the sons of the father - we are the extension of God.
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There are other living beings in other dimensions. They follow the same archetypal river beds and grapple with good and evil as we do, but they aren't human. You see some of the creatures when dreaming or doing drugs. But it's like looking through dark sea water, so cloudy and dark that most of what you see is not truth. It is your imagination.
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There are no gods. There exists a core of creation in everything in the universe. That core is your concept of God.

You're right that core or spark is represented as The Father.

Jesus meant the father (the spark) is in him, as in all of us and every piece of matter. We are the sons of the father - we are the extension of God.
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Very well put - that says it much clearer, yes.
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The feminists are right.

God is a woman.

If you've ever lived with a bipolar woman,
then a female God makes complete sense.
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'K, so lets start just by looking at the "facts" as best as we are able to know them.

1. These "new" religions came about only 6 to 8000 years ago.

2. The religion absolutely ensures strict control via an un-balanced vertical hierarchy system based on rule and punishment - which is entirely un-natural to the Universe or Nature.

3. Nothing which is un-balanced, or not operating in equilibrium, is sustainable.

Who came up with the idea and implemented the religions?

So far, it looks very much like the Annunaki of the Sumerian texts.

Why would they have done this?

Sitchen thought about the gold angle. That's a bit of a stretch for me, mainly because gold is just a human fixation which originated as a form of easily stored and exchanged labour.

Looking at how the religions focus on un-balance and the ensuring Nature is regarded as "the enemy", it makes far more sense to me that the purpose was to ensure total destruction of life on the planet at the hands of humanity.

Now what "creator" in his right mind would do this? Only the "creators" enemy would do such a thing.

So, are the Annunaki ET? It could be argued that the Annunaki were possibly a remnant of an earler civilisation - and we have numerouse myth and possible reference to Lemuria, Atlantis and so forth. If we look at that angle, it is entirely possible that thier civilisation was destroyed by some natural disaster, asteroid, volcanic etc - and that these few survivors "had it in" for Nature, believing that Nature purposely destroyed them. That would give some reason for them to use thier technology and psychology to "avenge" this, by implemeting this plan of revenge and destroying life on Earth permanently.

However, all the talk of "coming from the heavens" points more toward ET.

Then we have JC. Wise men being led to him via a "star" - ET drone? Him "ascending" to the heavens, him having a chat with a couple of "men" on the top of a mountain who were "radiantly" lit up etc. All also points toward ET.

So, do we have two sets of ET? One crowd bent on destruction of life here permanently, and thier opposition who are trying to prevent that?

Is this the "war" between Good and Evil?
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Yep OP, I am with you on all those 'facts'. This is my understanding too, after much research and all, with what we have available.

There is a possibility that 'gold' (in some form) evidently may have been used by one or more groups of ETs, the actual purpose unknown to 'we the people' on Earth. Likely that info was part of what has been destroyed, or hidden in vaults to this day, by TPTB. (Some of the remnants of ancient writings that were hidden in caves etc for protection, have been found, and do mention the creation of 'man' being for the purposes of mining that gold and other metals needed).

Yes, I do think that we have at least two sets of ETs. Likely the two warring factions, and at least one group who may be observing, and stepping in when/where needed. Seems to me that the 'wars in heaven' began out there in space somewhere, (heaven itself?)... that the Anunnaki could indeed be the same as the Biblical 'fallen angels', who were cast out of Heaven. They have been described by the Sumerians as 'those who from heaven to earth came'. Enki and Enlil were Anunnaki, their father was Anu, who tended to stay in the heavens, only coming to earth when he had to settle yet another fight between the two half-brothers Enki and Enlil. It is interesting to view Anu perhaps as God (or at least one of the main gods), with Enlil as JC, and Enki as the serpent Lucifer.

(The reason I suggest that there could be more ETs other than the Anunnaki, is because the Anunnaki are not Reptilian, and Reptilians had to come from somewhere, I would guess). Some suggest that since Enki and Enlil had different mothers, and that Enki symbolized a serpent, that perhaps his mother was a Reptilian. ?? I dunno. There's a lot of stuff that connects him with Lucifer, and with Egyptians as well, including his son, RA.

Somehow, this 'religion' that began on earth, was perhaps an extension of the Anunnaki (?), and if so, could have their 'bloodlines' (that are all so important to some today), and likely includes those who we think of as TPTB. Perhaps in some way, the whole 'agenda' of TPTB originated with those first 'wars in heaven', being now fought... on earth, by the descendants of those first warriors.

Have you checked out the many references to 'clouds' in the Bible? Each reference does seem to indicate that those 'clouds' mentioned, were UFOs. Goes along with what you are saying about the chat with the men on the mountain. And how at least one of those men returned with what appears to have been 'radiation'. As if from UFOs. What else could it have been?

WWIII and the 'second coming of the Lord', likely have everything to do with those original 'wars in heaven', and the age-old battle between 'good and evil'.

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There are other living beings in other dimensions. They follow the same archetypal river beds and grapple with good and evil as we do, but they aren't human. You see some of the creatures when dreaming or doing drugs. But it's like looking through dark sea water, so cloudy and dark that most of what you see is not truth. It is your imagination.
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Of this I am very well aware, but they have very limited ability to mess with energy in this dimension, if any. They influence beings, human or animal, existing in this dimension to manipulate matter and energy in this dimension to do what the extra-dimensional being wants.
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Is JC the "good guys" trying to derail the Annunaki's "religion"?
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That would be my guess..... yep.

Altho some would argue that the other side are the 'good guys'.

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VERY interesting discussion, thanks! I'd like to continue later if possible, it's like 4 hours past my bedtime, lol. If I stay up any later, I may as well put on the coffee and have breakfast. chuckle Will be back when I wake up! :offtobed:

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Yep OP, I am with you on all those 'facts'. This is my understanding too, after much research and all, with what we have available.

There is a possibility that 'gold' (in some form) evidently may have been used by one or more groups of ETs, the actual purpose unknown to 'we the people' on Earth. Likely that info was part of what has been destroyed, or hidden in vaults to this day, by TPTB. (Some of the remnants of ancient writings that were hidden in caves etc for protection, have been found, and do mention the creation of 'man' being for the purposes of mining that gold and other metals needed).

Yes, I do think that we have at least two sets of ETs. Likely the two warring factions, and at least one group who may be observing, and stepping in when/where needed. Seems to me that the 'wars in heaven' began out there in space somewhere, (heaven itself?)... that the Anunnaki could indeed be the same as the Biblical 'fallen angels', who were cast out of Heaven. They have been described by the Sumerians as 'those who from heaven to earth came'. Enki and Enlil were Anunnaki, their father was Anu, who tended to stay in the heavens, only coming to earth when he had to settle yet another fight between the two half-brothers Enki and Enlil. It is interesting to view Anu perhaps as God (or at least one of the main gods), with Enlil as JC, and Enki as the serpent Lucifer.

(The reason I suggest that there could be more ETs other than the Anunnaki, is because the Anunnaki are not Reptilian, and Reptilians had to come from somewhere, I would guess). Some suggest that since Enki and Enlil had different mothers, and that Enki symbolized a serpent, that perhaps his mother was a Reptilian. ?? I dunno. There's a lot of stuff that connects him with Lucifer, and with Egyptians as well, including his son, RA.

Somehow, this 'religion' that began on earth, was perhaps an extension of the Anunnaki (?), and if so, could have their 'bloodlines' (that are all so important to some today), and likely includes those who we think of as TPTB. Perhaps in some way, the whole 'agenda' of TPTB originated with those first 'wars in heaven', being now fought... on earth, by the descendants of those first warriors.

Have you checked out the many references to 'clouds' in the Bible? Each reference does seem to indicate that those 'clouds' mentioned, were UFOs. Goes along with what you are saying about the chat with the men on the mountain. And how at least one of those men returned with what appears to have been 'radiation'. As if from UFOs. What else could it have been?

WWIII and the 'second coming of the Lord', likely have everything to do with those original 'wars in heaven', and the age-old battle between 'good and evil'.

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Hmmmm, right, so if we go with the ET angle, that means that they were fully existing in this dimension? They actually live and perform within the precise parameters that our known Universe does, in order to have interacted with us on the level of "ships" and physical stuff.

If that is the case, then I am hesitant to take on board that the religions are an "extension" of the Annunaki. If they are so advanced, they would know that the religion is entirely against the Universe's basic principle. If they did not know, they would have long ago extincted themselves?

I have no doubt the religions came from them, but am more inclined toward a deilberate diabolical plan which would be disasterous for life on Earth, but leave them un-affected.

SHIT! How about a "terra-forming" type thing? Eradicate the existing life, so that they could make use of the planet and atmosphere, without the hassle of the existing life-forms? Damn, that would make sense!

WWIII in that case may well turn out to be all of humanity in a fight against ET!

Geeze, even the religion then adds up - only those who help them eradicate Nature are "saved" and get to live on with them in thier "new world" on this planet!

It follows perfectly - it is EXACTLY what we DO! Find a new landmass, and immediately set about eradicating the indigineous fauna and flora and introducing our own, brought with us from our "home-land".
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Is this simply an interplanetary version of us finding Australia? Are we the Aboriginie/American Indian/African going to have to fight the "new comer" who has already invaded us thousands of years ago, and has been waiting for thier poisons to have done most of the "clearing" work for them?

Hell, I think my understanding has just gone up several notches. That would also explain two factions on Earth - a bunch of traitors who have been promised a place in the scheme of things, and the "patriots" who want to fight off the invader.

JC's bunch are assisting the indigineous, the church/religious hierarchy have sold out to the invader.

Oh man - this surely must be a fiction! Gotta be a movie, can't possibly be real!





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