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Trans-Neptunian objects suggest that there are more dwarf planets in our solar system
There could be at least two unknown planets hidden well beyond Pluto, whose gravitational influence determines the orbits and strange distribution of objects observed beyond Neptune. This has been revealed by numerical calculations made by researchers at the Complutense University of Madrid and the University of Cambridge. If confirmed, this hypothesis would revolutionise solar system models.

Astronomers have spent decades debating whether some dark trans-Plutonian planet remains to be discovered within the solar system. According to the calculations of scientists at the Complutense University of Madrid (UCM, Spain) and the University of Cambridge (United Kingdom) not only one, but at least two planets must exist to explain the orbital behaviour of extreme trans-Neptunian objects (ETNO).

The most accepted theory establishes that the orbits of these objects, which travel beyond Neptune, should be distributed randomly, and by an observational bias, their paths must fulfil a series of characteristics: have a semi-major axis with a value close to 150 AU (astronomical units or times the distance between the Earth and the Sun), an inclination of almost 0° and an argument or angle of perihelion (closest point of the orbit to our Sun) also close to 0° or 180°.

Yet what is observed in a dozen of these bodies is quite different: the values of the semi-major axis are very disperse (between 150 AU and 525 AU), the average inclination of their orbit is around 20° and argument of Perihelion -31°, without appearing in any case close to 180°.

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And you are a trabformers ufo ?
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100% NIBURu doom

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Five stars and a pin suggest.
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Five stars and a pin suggest.
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hf
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5 stars. Keep up the good work. Always a fun read.

And Nibiru LOL!!!
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5 stars. Keep up the good work. Always a fun read.

And Nibiru LOL!!!
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Thanks :)
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Without Nibiru maybe chuckle
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Planet X
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I wonder whether we're not seeing them because they've got much lower albedo - like the difference between Vesta and Ceres. If they don't reflect enough, at that distance they would be very hard to spot. I'd kind-of slipped into the idea that all the trans-Neptunians would be Pluto-like (big balls of ice), but if there are some dark, carbon-rich rocks out there too (like at least some comets) that could explain why we've not seen them...
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good we need more space/dwarf planets around
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stfu
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No, no, no, there is no 'other' planet pulling on anything.

It's simply a glitch in the hologram.

Keep it simple
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Thanks for the pin!

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Is this really news?

Don't we hear the same statment made every 5 or 6 years.


I mean they have been looking for a planet X since the 60's based on math.

The idea that maybe its several smaller objects was in the 80s...


This sounds like just a rehash of that same ole same ole
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Is this really news?

Don't we hear the same statment made every 5 or 6 years.


I mean they have been looking for a planet X since the 60's based on math.

The idea that maybe its several smaller objects was in the 80s...


This sounds like just a rehash of that same ole same ole
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It has been substantiated to be more than mere calculations ...
They've been aggressively searching for planet x's for a decade now - someone give Phil Plait a call - Planet x's are real !!!



"This past March, astronomers Scott Sheppard of the Carnegie Institution for Science and Craig Trujillo of Gemini Observatory in Hilo, Hawaii, saw a new object, the most distant known in the solar system. This object, about 200 miles in size, and several near it followed similar orbits, an unusual occurrence, according to Sheppard."

“We would expect their orbits to be fairly random,” he told weather.com. “So we suspect something more massive is shepherding these.” A planet, to be exact. They called it 2012 VP113 or VP for short, after Vice President Joe Biden, and reported their findings in the journal Nature."

"Since then, several other scientists have tried to find explanations to the orbit question. Reporting in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society Letters in June, two researchers at Madrid’s Complutense University concluded based on their analysis that two planets “must exist” beyond Neptune and Pluto. Another reported in the same journal in August that these planets are likely even more distant than imagined."


"Sheppard said other questions remain about these planets, not just whether they exist. “How did this large object get out there and where did it actually form? Did it form in our solar system or did it actually get captured from another solar system?” He noted that because objects like that cannot form in the outer solar system, they must have been “tossed out there” with help from large planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus or Neptune."
[link to www.weather.com]


"Together with Sedna, a similar extreme object discovered a decade ago, the find is reshaping ideas about how the Solar System came to be. “It goes to show that there’s something we don’t know about our Solar System, and it’s something important,” says co-discoverer Chad Trujillo, an astronomer at Gemini Observatory in Hilo, Hawaii. “We’re starting to get a taste of what’s out beyond what we consider the edge.”
[link to www.nature.com]





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The precise moment was two thousand and three. Nibiru was making its inward transition past the Sun. Because of the stability increase in your collective mass consciousnesses, the passage this time was not so outwardly eventful being mostly un-noticed. Similarly, because of Christ's injunction two thousand years ago, the Annunaki were unable to cross over from Nibiru's auric realms to the fourth dimension of Earth and form Earth bound outer projections through interaction with your women as they did thirty five hundred and seven thousand years ago. The hybrid babies were born of normal Earth size, but grew much more rapidly than normal and to a giant size.

The Nibiru passage was nonetheless causing the giant Yellowstone caldera to heat up rapidly on the ready, as well as a giant caldera in Sumatra and another in Indonesia. If you had not begun responding positively in consciousness by that time, the calderas would have exploded setting off cataclysmic events for the removal of a third of you from the surface.

Because of your growing acceptance of the new Energies coming in, the c
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Every Local Solar Sector likewise has around a thousand Solar System members based on the same method of counting as the galaxies. The Orion Local Solar Sector to which Earth belongs is still under development, containing only about six hundred and sixty five solar systems.

Every solar system in a Local Sector including Earth's, has the cubistic solar family potential of twelve Planets. The planets might not all have a formed outer projection at the same time. Not all planets have a root race evolving within its fifth dimension at a given time. Every planet, outer projection or not has a fifth dimensional administrative population.

Besides the nine Planets you recognize, Earth's solar family has an electronic Planet inside the photosphere of the sun called Vulcan, a Planet comprising the asteroid belt called Maldek which lost its one time third dimensional outer projection about two and a half billion years ago, and a proto Planet outside the orbit of Pluto called Nibiru which has not yet formed a full outer bodily projection.
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Earth's Solar system has a proto Planet outside the orbit of Pluto which does not yet have a third dimensional outer bodily projection. The Planet is the one you call Nibiru. The Solar system also has a very highly evolved electron Planet named Vulcan existing just inside the photosphere of the Sun.

Your current high tech impetus comes directly from Vulcan through a specially dispensated fifth dimensional attunement. The purpose is to give you something to work with in harmony together in your outer world activity instead of destructively. Evidently catching on. You were previously shown the laws of radiation through the Cosmic Uniphysicist Nichola Tesla, but used it destructively in the form of nuclear armaments and other malpractice devices instead.

The twelfth and final Planet is between Mars and Jupiter. Called Maldek, it lost its third dimensional outer Matter projection in the laser effected cataclysm two and a half billion years ago. Which you now refer to as the Asteroid Belt.
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There are many Planet X's



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Sometimes it seems odd how we can detect and see planets that are gazillions of light years away, but we can't even see a planet in our own back year.
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The precise moment was two thousand and three. Nibiru was making its inward transition past the Sun. Because of the stability increase in your collective mass consciousnesses, the passage this time was not so outwardly eventful being mostly un-noticed. Similarly, because of Christ's injunction two thousand years ago, the Annunaki were unable to cross over from Nibiru's auric realms to the fourth dimension of Earth and form Earth bound outer projections through interaction with your women as they did thirty five hundred and seven thousand years ago. The hybrid babies were born of normal Earth size, but grew much more rapidly than normal and to a giant size.

The Nibiru passage was nonetheless causing the giant Yellowstone caldera to heat up rapidly on the ready, as well as a giant caldera in Sumatra and another in Indonesia. If you had not begun responding positively in consciousness by that time, the calderas would have exploded setting off cataclysmic events for the removal of a third of you from the surface.

Because of your growing acceptance of the new Energies coming in, the c
- See more at: [link to www.revelatorium.com]
 Quoting: Revelatorium 61859806


Every Local Solar Sector likewise has around a thousand Solar System members based on the same method of counting as the galaxies. The Orion Local Solar Sector to which Earth belongs is still under development, containing only about six hundred and sixty five solar systems.

Every solar system in a Local Sector including Earth's, has the cubistic solar family potential of twelve Planets. The planets might not all have a formed outer projection at the same time. Not all planets have a root race evolving within its fifth dimension at a given time. Every planet, outer projection or not has a fifth dimensional administrative population.

Besides the nine Planets you recognize, Earth's solar family has an electronic Planet inside the photosphere of the sun called Vulcan, a Planet comprising the asteroid belt called Maldek which lost its one time third dimensional outer projection about two and a half billion years ago, and a proto Planet outside the orbit of Pluto called Nibiru which has not yet formed a full outer bodily projection.
- See more at: [link to www.revelatorium.com]
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Earth's Solar system has a proto Planet outside the orbit of Pluto which does not yet have a third dimensional outer bodily projection. The Planet is the one you call Nibiru. The Solar system also has a very highly evolved electron Planet named Vulcan existing just inside the photosphere of the Sun.

Your current high tech impetus comes directly from Vulcan through a specially dispensated fifth dimensional attunement. The purpose is to give you something to work with in harmony together in your outer world activity instead of destructively. Evidently catching on. You were previously shown the laws of radiation through the Cosmic Uniphysicist Nichola Tesla, but used it destructively in the form of nuclear armaments and other malpractice devices instead.

The twelfth and final Planet is between Mars and Jupiter. Called Maldek, it lost its third dimensional outer Matter projection in the laser effected cataclysm two and a half billion years ago. Which you now refer to as the Asteroid Belt.
- See more at: [link to www.revelatorium.com]
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So refreshing when voodoo can explain the world better than physics. lol

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It's Nibieru
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Yes, Nibiru

It stays around Pluto, but still sending asteroids and other problems to Earth...





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