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If Being Gay Is Natural, Normal, And Acceptable, Why Do You Need To "Come Out"?

 
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I'm thinking this thread is not about the OP personally. Questions are being asked in here that we as a society may one day need to think about. As another person posted upthread, this whole thing is a stigma in our society. Some are pushing the idea that this is acceptable, while others are pushing back saying no it is not. Those caught in the middle seem to be just trying to live their own personal lives, yet cannot.... because of the stigma. As long as no one else (child or adult) is getting hurt/abused, what one does in their own personal life is between them and their creator.

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That is very true, and is how it SHOULD be. However, when they prance down the road in their banana pouches, or claim that they were fired because they were gay instead of because they were lazy or didn't show up for work and now they're suing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, or coaching Little League or going on overnight camp-outs with the Cub Scouts, then it DOES become my business, or at least the business of DECENT society to remove them from the picture.
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I totally agree with that! For me, it crosses the line when homosexuals (either gender) take their personal lives into the public like that, basically shove their beliefs into the faces of everyone. No longer a private matter, they've made it everyone else's business when they blatantly cross those lines. When they use and abuse others like that, they cannot then turn around and demand respect and privacy.

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Ok you religious retards..


please tell me, if beeing gay is "unnatural" poop and gay man (we figured out for womans its ok) will go to hell..

what about gay dogs? cats? bulls?

please answer at least that question..bcuz you lost every legitiation to be taken honestly..

plasma in my ass..
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Gay dogs? I've never seen a male dog which was exclusively attracted to other male dogs. What I've seen is male dogs who will try to hump other male dogs if a female dog is not around. But never a male dog which would pass a female in heat for another male dog.

Of course, it might be different where you live. I believe sometimes something in the environment spikes estrogen levels and all kinds of strange sexual peculiarities result. For example, you might be using estrogen-leeching plastic for your dog's water bowl. Think glass.
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My poor old male dog sometimes tries to hump anything and everything around him, even stuff that doesn't move, like pillows... when a female dog is in heat within 100 miles. And often, it's only other male dogs who are out, (perhaps also looking for that female dog), who unfortunately nears the path of my crazed old male dog.

And he's been fixed since early on. I don't think he'd even know which end to... well, you get the picture.

Ya know what we do out in rural areas? We have a community billboard... lets other farmers report when their female pets/livestock are in heat, so the others will know who to keep close to home. chuckle

PS.. most farmers know... some don't care.. the billboard is our legal grounds for suing the heck out of those who don't care.

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This thread has been very interesting and enlightening. I have seen responses along the entire spectrum of opinions, from moderate to extreme. I made this thread because I was honestly wondering why gay people needed to announce their sexuality to others. I thought it was interesting that I was personally attacked just for asking this question, gay people should encourage dialogue and discussion if they want to further their cause. Tolerance is a two way street, and demanding tolerance while showing none results in conflict and more intolerance. Thank everyone for contributing to this thread :-)
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Did you ever get a straight answer? No pun intended LOL.
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From the responses, it sounds like gays come out to their family and friends in order to eliminate any misunderstanding, to gauge how their family and friends regard their lifestyle, and to liberate themselves from having to hide who they are. They do it publicly to try to desensitize others regarding their lifestyle in the effort to gain acceptance and further the cause of the gay community. In both cases, there is in fact a need to validate their sexuality.

I still think there is an element of the need for attention, specifically with the public disclosure of their sexuality. I can understand the desire to explain to your friends and family, but I don't understand doing it publicly. Gays cannot spread tolerance by forcing their sexuality on others, expecting them to accept it, then lashing out and being offended when they don't.

Those were my observations from this thread.
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The real victims of the gay movement are children. They are being brainwashed into believing that gay sex is normal and fine. Anyone that actually believes gay people are born and not made, please do some research. Children are highly suggestible. Many many gay people were sexually abused as a child.

This is really why it should be kept in the bedroom. But the whole point is, they want it to be normal in society. Mn kissing in public, women kissing in public.

The kids are the ultimate victims.
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Explain to me the children raised by homosexuals that grow up, are straight, and not out running the streets like a hoodrat?
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From the responses, it sounds like gays come out to their family and friends in order to eliminate any misunderstanding, to gauge how their family and friends regard their lifestyle, and to liberate themselves from having to hide who they are. They do it publicly to try to desensitize others regarding their lifestyle in the effort to gain acceptance and further the cause of the gay community. In both cases, there is in fact a need to validate their sexuality.

I still think there is an element of the need for attention, specifically with the public disclosure of their sexuality. I can understand the desire to explain to your friends and family, but I don't understand doing it publicly. Gays cannot spread tolerance by forcing their sexuality on others, expecting them to accept it, then lashing out and being offended when they don't.

Those were my observations from this thread.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Interesting, OP, thanks!

When I was in college, I had a class where an assignment was to team up in pairs and emerse ourselves in a community different from ours, as much as possible, in order to learn more about differences and similarities, etc. One in each team had to draw our 'assignment' from slips of paper in a hat. Hoping to draw something like 'the Amish community' or something, you can imagine the looks I gave my professor when I drew 'the gay community'. Thanks prof, just gonna skip this one, mkay?

So off we went... me and this other girl... cursing the prof, but determined to get thru this thing. There was a gay march planned not too long after that, so we went to that, intending to chat with as many as possible, to get their viewpoints, etc.

At one point during the march, we suddenly realized that we just might be on the nightly news, cuz there were the cameras. And it occured to us.... lolol... what it would 'appear to be', if we showed up on that camera. We prayed that our families and friends would not be watching the news that night. chuckle

What you wrote above, OP, is pretty much exactly what our findings were, when we interviewed so many, that day. Though most identified with exactly what you wrote, in regards to coming out to their friends and family, only a few were comfortable in going 'public' with the news. This march being for those, a bit out of their comfort zone, but an attempt to help the public better understand. Even some of them were aghast at the actions of some of the others who were... a lot more vocal and over the edge with what they did, said, wore, etc. So am guessing from that experience that some, but not all, feel the need for that kind of attention.

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The real victims of the gay movement are children. They are being brainwashed into believing that gay sex is normal and fine. Anyone that actually believes gay people are born and not made, please do some research. Children are highly suggestible. Many many gay people were sexually abused as a child.

This is really why it should be kept in the bedroom. But the whole point is, they want it to be normal in society. Mn kissing in public, women kissing in public.

The kids are the ultimate victims.
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Explain to me the children raised by homosexuals that grow up, are straight, and not out running the streets like a hoodrat?
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That's easy. They went to Catholic schools.
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Thiis thread is so easy to anwser that it doesnt need about 12 pages of comments..

Its beacuse they do un normal things what a straight person doesnt do and its pure humor or disgusted. When that happens it turns people into homophobs or not. Making homosexual have a 'closet' scene since they witnesed other homosexual suffer.

And yes they also have a confusion about them self. Its allot of pressure.

Its about people and society
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I'm still waiting for the straight pride parades!!

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In all the years mankind has been on Earth...homosexuality has never been normal.
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That is not really true.


Romans, Greeks, Chinese...


Nearly all great civilizations of the past had accepted gay cultures.
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not accept just a few and not-spreading or propaganda
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I have seen a rash of videos on the internet and celebrated in the media of people coming out of the closet to the their friends and family. They take a private matter of sexual orientation and broadcast it for the world to see. They are then interviewed by the media to celebrate their courage and bravery, encouraging others to film their coming out and posting it on the internet.

I can't help but wonder why they feel the need to "come out" in the first place, let alone record it and post it on the internet, if they are comfortable with their sexuality. You don't see straight people doing this, and your sexuality is generally considered something personal.

I am convinced that the individuals doing this are looking for both validation from others as well as attention. They are unsure of their sexuality and need confirmation from other people that it is okay. They also want to show the world they are gay to draw attention and praise to themselves to make them feel special. It is a private matter that should be discussed privately, not held up for the whole world to take notice. Doing something like this brings your credibility into question, because if you were secure in the sexuality, you wouldn't need validation from anyone.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Being gay is not normal, but it is natural & perfectly acceptable. The reason people have to 'come out' is because we - as a society - are in the midst of transitioning from a bigoted, religion-based mentality to an informed, compassionate one.

50 years from now well-know people who are gay won't have to come out. For the moment they do to help the transition towards acceptance.
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its unnatural and not accepted by and laugh at in almost every culture
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What the gay or lesbian oriented person needs to discover and come out about is not their sexual orientation, but rather how much this orientation is unconsciously mandated by the human weakness of needing to be seen as a part of a social clique.

Why else would a heterosexual man who never speaks with a lisp his entire life, since childhood, suddenly decide that he is gay and start speaking with a lisp?

Joining the gay/lesbian clique is no better, worse, or different than joining any other social click. It's just a clique, something to Facebook or blog about.

If the gay/lesbian clique wasn't being propped up into popularity by the social engineering of the main stream media -owned and controlled by arguably some of the scummiest humans ever to walk the planet- I wonder how much smaller the gay/lesbian clique would be?


drevil
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wrote the guy who just see steretypes of gays in the mass-media and believs that this is the only form of gays.

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Actually, I witnessed this lisp switch happen in a 19 year old male nephew who I have known well since he was born. Within the last two years that he changed his sexual orientation, its all been clique related. New super trendy clothes, new hairstyle, new job in the fashion world.

And now after never speaking with a lisp for his entire life -even as a toddler- this nephew recently started lisping his words. He wasn't born gay. Is it possible that he is born again gay?


I don't know about the homosexuality of say ancient Rome, whether it was so much about the social scene rather than the relationship.
Today it is bluntly obvious that for many, many gay men, the orientation is less about the dick and more about the clique.


For more gay men to man up to the truth about their sex clique…now that would be something worth coming out about.


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I have seen a rash of videos on the internet and celebrated in the media of people coming out of the closet to the their friends and family. They take a private matter of sexual orientation and broadcast it for the world to see. They are then interviewed by the media to celebrate their courage and bravery, encouraging others to film their coming out and posting it on the internet.

I can't help but wonder why they feel the need to "come out" in the first place, let alone record it and post it on the internet, if they are comfortable with their sexuality. You don't see straight people doing this, and your sexuality is generally considered something personal.

I am convinced that the individuals doing this are looking for both validation from others as well as attention. They are unsure of their sexuality and need confirmation from other people that it is okay. They also want to show the world they are gay to draw attention and praise to themselves to make them feel special. It is a private matter that should be discussed privately, not held up for the whole world to take notice. Doing something like this brings your credibility into question, because if you were secure in the sexuality, you wouldn't need validation from anyone.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Being gay is not normal, but it is natural & perfectly acceptable. The reason people have to 'come out' is because we - as a society - are in the midst of transitioning from a bigoted, religion-based mentality to an informed, compassionate one.

50 years from now well-know people who are gay won't have to come out. For the moment they do to help the transition towards acceptance.
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its unnatural and not accepted by and laugh at in almost every culture
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One of the biggest wastes of time and money in American history.
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Because of social stigmas

Homosexuality has always existed
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And from the fact that something exists what can we conclude exactly?
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We can conclude that intolerant jerks should mind their own business.
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Because of social stigmas

Homosexuality has always existed
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And from the fact that something exists what can we conclude exactly?
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We can conclude that intolerant jerks should mind their own business.
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Tolerance does not show love to one who does wrong or is mentally ill. For those who engage in wrong behavior, correction is tough but compassionate love. Compassionate love for the mentally ill is to get them the treatment they need. When Jesus the Anointed stopped the crowd about to stone the prostitute to death, what did He say to the woman? If He merely tolerated her behavior, He would have said simply to go. Instead, He loved her enough to say, "Go and sin no more." In other words, He told her to knock it off because prostitution is wrong.
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Because of social stigmas

Homosexuality has always existed
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And from the fact that something exists what can we conclude exactly?
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We can conclude that intolerant jerks should mind their own business.
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What exactly is your malfunction?
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In all the years mankind has been on Earth...homosexuality has never been normal.
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That is not really true.


Romans, Greeks, Chinese...


Nearly all great civilizations of the past had accepted gay cultures.
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Actually what you saw in Rome and Greece was not gay culture. Rather it was a hyper male culture where women were thought of as essentially soul-less and not worthy or capable of higher love, while in contrast a man had a soul, rationality and capable of higher love. These men had wives and children so they were not exclusively sexually attracted to men, but these ancient pagan culture subjugated and dismissed women as not fully human.

Christianity changed all this, and was revolutionary in the respect that it elevated woman to equal status as far as having a soul and value for being wife and mother.

After all, its not that difficult to see homosexuality for what it is, ie, the rejection of and subjugation the feminine. In some cases this rejection of women leads to a hyper-masculinity as in the case of Alexander the Great, or alternatively, leads to a imitation of the feminism or effeminizing characteristics of modern Western gay culture.


So when all you gay apologists wish to talk about intolerance and bigotry, you should first come to terms with your own deep seated misogyny. Nearly all the ancient pagan patriarchies manifested as homo erotic and misogynist. Which is where the brave new world of social justice warriors is heading. afro
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For those who feel homosexual is normal. "Just don't give me no lines and keep your hands to yourselves."
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I wonder what the stats are for people who are gay

a) i was born gay.
b) i was groomed by an older person while in my early teens.
c) i was abused as a child.


from the gay people i have known and asked, most are b's and c's very few a's!!!!!

make of that as you wish.
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I wonder what the stats are for people who are gay

a) i was born gay.
b) i was groomed by an older person while in my early teens.
c) i was abused as a child.


from the gay people i have known and asked, most are b's and c's very few a's!!!!!

make of that as you wish.
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Homosexuality is caused by one or more of the following:

(1) childhood sexual abuse
(2) being "turned out" in prison, college fraternities and sororities, or otherwise being bullied
(3) peer pressure
(4) succumbing to powerful social programming through mass media
(5) children deliberately raised to be gender-confused/gay
(6) choosing the lifestyle for social and career enhancement
(7) prescription drugs such as adderall and vyvanse
(8) children emulating an opposite-gender single parent
(9) as a protest against social norms
(10) to piss off parents
(11) extreme narcissism
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12. Weak father, domineering mother
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This thread has been very interesting and enlightening. I have seen responses along the entire spectrum of opinions, from moderate to extreme. I made this thread because I was honestly wondering why gay people needed to announce their sexuality to others. I thought it was interesting that I was personally attacked just for asking this question, gay people should encourage dialogue and discussion if they want to further their cause. Tolerance is a two way street, and demanding tolerance while showing none results in conflict and more intolerance. Thank everyone for contributing to this thread :-)
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is that a gay wolf im seeing ?
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If being female is Natural, Normal, And Acceptable, Why do Women get treated the way they do in most of the world?


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49070098


Awesomesauce :)

Wish I could give you some green.

People refuse to believe how well programmed they actually are, and how little thinking for themselves they actually do.

Of course, a lot of they people who have irrational hatred for gays also have no problem with women being treated as chattel or kept ignorant, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Two sides of the same coin
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female pregnant in the kitchen is not called brainwashed, its natural order
just like pussy belong to the bitches
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In all the years mankind has been on Earth...homosexuality has never been normal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56424016


That is not really true.


Romans, Greeks, Chinese...


Nearly all great civilizations of the past had accepted gay cultures.
 Quoting: vind21


Actually what you saw in Rome and Greece was not gay culture. Rather it was a hyper male culture where women were thought of as essentially soul-less and not worthy or capable of higher love, while in contrast a man had a soul, rationality and capable of higher love. These men had wives and children so they were not exclusively sexually attracted to men, but these ancient pagan culture subjugated and dismissed women as not fully human.

Christianity changed all this, and was revolutionary in the respect that it elevated woman to equal status as far as having a soul and value for being wife and mother.

After all, its not that difficult to see homosexuality for what it is, ie, the rejection of and subjugation the feminine. In some cases this rejection of women leads to a hyper-masculinity as in the case of Alexander the Great, or alternatively, leads to a imitation of the feminism or effeminizing characteristics of modern Western gay culture.


So when all you gay apologists wish to talk about intolerance and bigotry, you should first come to terms with your own deep seated misogyny. Nearly all the ancient pagan patriarchies manifested as homo erotic and misogynist. Which is where the brave new world of social justice warriors is heading. afro
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