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INMARSAT SAT DATA FOR MH370 AND DECOYS

 
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P CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-3859

this plane left KL and went on the scheduled path - after 1.07 it made many attempts to be acknowledged but was not responded to - it was ignored until 2.06 then no more data.

Its last message was RQA Request For Acknowledge. It made ten such requests. All ignored. :(

MAS OPS gave it a new tail assignment at 01.07am and this is why it appeared to have turned off its acars.
Final known location: south coast of Vietnam





P CHANNEL IOR-P600-0-36FC

this plane took the tail number at 2.25am and again at 8.19am pinging at 17120 and 23000 respectively. This was the decoy for the plane below which was at different places at both times: final destination unknown but final ping is 109 miles east of KL - vertical distance unknown. This was also the decoy for the first plane which left out of KL above because it comes on at 2.25 implying the plane is ok - when it potentially isn't.





P-CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-386B

this plane began at 2.27am and flew into China - no replies after 8.10am

Also note - while almost all the data refers to flight 305 - this flight was listed between 2.39 and 2.40am as flight 301

I don't know the P CHANNEL address for the east coast of Vietnam ping 51700. If P CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-3859above - was assigned yet another tail number and ID I still think it would have kept pinging - although it was technically in an area with a radar block as reported by Spratley Islands.

If a completely unidentified plane was with this one and shot down - then this could be the plane that pinged on its way to Hainan as per the scheduled planned diversion by China.

Or this plane was returned and shot down the next morning?

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 Quoting: redhouserebel



The bolded plane above: IOR-P600-0-36FC


That could be the plane that was located at -2, 49660 as indicated with an X on this map:


[link to i.imgur.com]


I took a section of map from this link:

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]



It was this decoy plane that made people think that MH370 ended up south off Australia.


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The final co-ordinated journeys of IOR-P10500-0-386B and IOR-P600-0-36FC

were done so they would both cross the arc of the final ping - the 40 degrees arc - but one was north and one was south.


Waste of time and money.


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P CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-3859

this plane left KL and went on the scheduled path - after 1.07 it made many attempts to be acknowledged but was not responded to - it was ignored until 2.06 then no more data.

Its last message was RQA Request For Acknowledge. It made ten such requests. All ignored. :(

MAS OPS gave it a new tail assignment at 01.07am and this is why it appeared to have turned off its acars.
Final known location: south coast of Vietnam





P CHANNEL IOR-P600-0-36FC

this plane took the tail number at 2.25am and again at 8.19am pinging at 17120 and 23000 respectively. This was the decoy for the plane below which was at different places at both times: final destination unknown but final ping is 109 miles east of KL - vertical distance unknown. This was also the decoy for the first plane which left out of KL above because it comes on at 2.25 implying the plane is ok - when it potentially isn't.





P-CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-386B

this plane began at 2.27am and flew into China - no replies after 8.10am

Also note - while almost all the data refers to flight 305 - this flight was listed between 2.39 and 2.40am as flight 301

I don't know the P CHANNEL address for the east coast of Vietnam ping 51700. If P CHANNEL IOR-P10500-0-3859above - was assigned yet another tail number and ID I still think it would have kept pinging - although it was technically in an area with a radar block as reported by Spratley Islands.

If a completely unidentified plane was with this one and shot down - then this could be the plane that pinged on its way to Hainan as per the scheduled planned diversion by China.

Or this plane was returned and shot down the next morning?

xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel



The bolded plane above: IOR-P600-0-36FC


That could be the plane that was located at -2, 49660 as indicated with an X on this map:


[link to i.imgur.com]


I took a section of map from this link:

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]



It was this decoy plane that made people think that MH370 ended up south off Australia.


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Actually - being as BFO is vertical distance - and I now realise people knew this and no one told me - thanks - that X of the decoy plane would actually be a bit further south.


Why did they ignore all the info and choose to follow that stupid anomaly???



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This is the highly technical flight map based on the data:


[link to i.imgur.com]


I should have put dot dot dot dash dash dash to show potentially continuing flights for the red and purple as well - they don't just end there - just the data does.


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Today: Malaysia declares it an accident:

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Taking BTO as horizontal distance and BFO as vertical...

giving KL as approx 90 BfO and 14900 BTO

and 51700 ping on east of Vietnam as 273 BOF and 51700 BTO

Then the final ping of the decoy flight on the last leg of this episode - given as BFO -2 and BTO 49660... this gives the location of the airasia crash disaster.


The red line on these maps were reasonable guestimates:

[link to i.imgur.com]

[link to i.imgur.com]


But if you do it accurately - I think it might be quite scary.


xx



It's like saying: Oh... so is this where the plane was last seen/ went down... ?


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Taking BTO as horizontal distance and BFO as vertical...

giving KL as approx 90 BfO and 14900 BTO

and 51700 ping on east of Vietnam as 273 BOF and 51700 BTO

Then the final ping of the decoy flight on the last leg of this episode - given as BFO -2 and BTO 49660... this gives the location of the airasia crash disaster.


The red line on these maps were reasonable guestimates:

[link to i.imgur.com]

[link to i.imgur.com]


But if you do it accurately - I think it might be quite scary.


xx



It's like saying: Oh... so is this where the plane was last seen/ went down... ?


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel



If you take the ping point on the east coast of vietnam as BFO 273 and KL as 90


KL BTO 14900 KL - 2.74 latitude BFO 90

EAST COAST VIETNAM BTO 51700 14.5 latitude BFO 273

point at which last ping point -2/49660 =

BFO = minus 2 BTO = 49660


BFO difference between KL and east coast Vietnam ping is 273 minus 90 = 183

difference between KL and last ping BFO is 90-92

difference between east coast Vietnam ping point and last ping point is 273 plus 2 - 275



Vertical distance between KL and east coast Vietnam ping point -

[link to i.imgur.com]

= 1308 km

1308/183 = 7.14754 - this being the BFO unit difference per BFO ping unit

the 49660 ping is on the arc

Vertical distance between -2 in the arc and the east coast reference point is:

[link to i.imgur.com]

= 1927km

vertical BFO ping difference is 275

1927/275 = 7.00572

7.14754 minus 7.00572 = 0.14182 of a kilometre = 141 metres

So where the last ping point for the MH370 decoy is/was - is within an error distance of 141 metres - allowing that I have not used the precise latitude of KL - I used 2.74 latitude etc.

This cannot be a coincidence. This can only be a terrorist attack -


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Taking BTO as horizontal distance and BFO as vertical...

giving KL as approx 90 BfO and 14900 BTO

and 51700 ping on east of Vietnam as 273 BOF and 51700 BTO

Then the final ping of the decoy flight on the last leg of this episode - given as BFO -2 and BTO 49660... this gives the location of the airasia crash disaster.


The red line on these maps were reasonable guestimates:

[link to i.imgur.com]

[link to i.imgur.com]


But if you do it accurately - I think it might be quite scary.


xx



It's like saying: Oh... so is this where the plane was last seen/ went down... ?


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel



If you take the ping point on the east coast of vietnam as BFO 273 and KL as 90


KL BTO 14900 KL - 2.74 latitude BFO 90

EAST COAST VIETNAM BTO 51700 14.5 latitude BFO 273

point at which last ping point -2/49660 =

BFO = minus 2 BTO = 49660


BFO difference between KL and east coast Vietnam ping is 273 minus 90 = 183

difference between KL and last ping BFO is 90-92

difference between east coast Vietnam ping point and last ping point is 273 plus 2 - 275



Vertical distance between KL and east coast Vietnam ping point -

[link to i.imgur.com]

= 1308 km

1308/183 = 7.14754 - this being the BFO unit difference per BFO ping unit

the 49660 ping is on the arc

Vertical distance between -2 in the arc and the east coast reference point is:

[link to i.imgur.com]

= 1927km

vertical BFO ping difference is 275

1927/275 = 7.00572

7.14754 minus 7.00572 = 0.14182 of a kilometre = 141 metres

So where the last ping point for the MH370 decoy is/was - is within an error distance of 141 metres - allowing that I have not used the precise latitude of KL - I used 2.74 latitude etc.

This cannot be a coincidence. This can only be a terrorist attack -


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Here is the satellite data from inmarsat that i am talkign about:


[link to i.imgur.com]

[link to i.imgur.com]


scroll down and across to get full data and info.


You couldn't make it up.


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Here is the pilot asking to be acknowledged from the plane - off south coast of vietnam at 3 minutes past 2am - notice there are no BFO or BTO readings - he has been given another tail number so they are not on this data:

[link to i.imgur.com]


Here is the pilot asking again a couple of minutes later - he is not answered:


[link to i.imgur.com]


the data records that these requests were sent from the plane.

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The pilot was innocent and so were the passengers.


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The airasia thing - its like someone was saying - this is the ping point - why are you looking over there... ???


what is wrong with this world?


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For the record - I know how intel people communicate on sites like this and I usually ignore anything that can be perceived as a threat and take it as though it isn't.

However - to anyone posting things which are coincidental to my family - like the name of their online accounts for example - can't think what its called - if this is not done in innocence - then just know - that everything i do on this computer - every character i press every page i view - it is all monitored and recorded and so others see what i see - and not just you.

Watch yourself.


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I made a mistake either with decimal points or with kms to miles with the plane I said went to china – it may or may not have done – I have re-done the calculations and this is not proven so to apologise I have done accurate calculations and made maps to show these calculations are now correct:

Here are the basic results from the Inmarsat Satellite Data for MH370 – showing at least 3 planes
This is for flight IOR-P10500-0-386B

With respect to KL airport the flight was: all distances in KM:

At 2.28 am the flight was 378N 56.75W
At 3.41 am the flight was 147N 76.5W
At 4.41 am the flight was 357N 71.1W
At 5.41 am the flight was 546N 47.7W
At 6.41 am the flight was 784N 8.1W

At 8.10 am the flight was 1134N 70.65E

These are bearings with respect to KL and are in kms

Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 2.28am


It is the northern point marked on the map – the southern point was used to calculate the measurement west using the BTO measurement

[link to i.imgur.com]


Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 3.41am

Marked with the red marker:

[link to i.imgur.com]




Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 4.41am

This one is about 4kms east of the true point so you need to go about 4ks west for true point

[link to i.imgur.com]

Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 5.41am

Again – the position of the plane is at the northerly marker on here: in the Gulf of Thailand

[link to i.imgur.com]


Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 6.41am: further north in the Gulf of Thailand:

[link to i.imgur.com]



Here is the map of where IOR-P10500-0-386B was at at 8.10am

[link to i.imgur.com]


Part of USAF airbase U-Tapao??

I will show the calculations in a bit.

Xx



The flight of IOR-P10500-0-386B from where it collected its new tail number at 2.28am until it reached Thailand is in red lines with black spots

[link to i.imgur.com]

the purple line is flight IOR-P10500-0-3859 – the blue spot shows the estimated distance we know it went.

the final ping of the third flight is shown as a purple spot
the 51700 ping on the east coast of Vietnam is shown as an orange spot

xx

I apologise again for my dumb calculations and guestimation of flight IOR-P10500-0-386B going to China.

Xx

The calculations are based on the Burst Frequency Offset readings from the Inmarsat Sat data where the BFO is calculated at 7 kms per ping – this is north and south – I think that is latitude – I accidentally said longitude before as I was in a muddle.


The Burst Timing Offset is calculated at 22.5kms (13.5 miles) per thousand pings and goes east or west in respect to the location of KL airport and measurements are taken with respect to the 51700 ping from the east coast of Malaysia.

IOR-386B
02.25.27am
BFO 142
BTO 17120
52 x 7 = 364 N
2.22 x 22.5 = 49.95 E


08.19.29am
BFO 182
BTO 23000
92 x 7 = 644N
8.2 x 22.5 = 184.5 E


Finally - here is an updated map

[link to i.imgur.com]

the problem is there is a lot of tail number changing and so around 2.25 when planes log off and on with tail numbers it is hard to see which is which - but this way fits

the red line with black spots is IOR-P10500-0-386B

the purple line is flight IOR-P10500-0-3859

Now I didn't know if two planes appeared in Malaysia at the same time - I have put a blue dot next to where the red line with black spots is IOR-P10500-0-386B first appears in malaysia on the red line - but i think this is reasonably the same plane - which makes the plane on the east coast of Vietnam IOR-P600-0-36FC which is the plane which ends up down south as indicated by the blue line.

Then all the info is connected.

Xx


This just leaves the 08.19am ping at BFO 182 BTO 23000

So either the IOR-P10500-0-386B that entered Thailand mainland quickly turned around again or as it entered another plane - not listed - left and came back down the gulf to the northern red mark shown here:

[link to i.imgur.com]



it is possible the data suggests that a plane arrived at KL from the south to accept a tail transfer as it flew over - I don't know - no time left.


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Here are some of the calculations if anyone wants them – I also have screen shots of the visuals of the calculations on maps if anyone wants them:

This is for flight IOR-P10500-0-386B

With respect to KL airport the flight was: all distances in KM:

At 2.28 am the flight was 378N 56.75W

BFO 144
144 – 90 = 54
54 x 7 = 378 km north

BTO 12500
14900 – 12500 = 2400
2400/1000 = 2.4
(oops – on my notes I have put 2.5 – so this measurement is out by about …2.75 km)
2.4 x 22.5 = 54km west – (I put 56.75 km west of KL)

The error here is that the first black dot on the red line flight on the map should be over so tiny you won’t see it on a map that size – sorry. *blush* therefore:

At 2.28 am the flight was 378N and 54W

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At 3.41 am the flight was 147N 76.5W

BFO 111
111 – 90 = 21
21 x 7 = 147N

BTO 11500
14900 – 11500 = 3400
3400/1000 = 3.4
3.4 x 22.5 = 76.5km WEST


At 4.41 am the flight was 357N 71.1W


BFO = 141
141 – 90 = 51
51 X 7 = 357N

BTO 11740
14900 – 11740 = 3160
3160/1000 = 3.16
3.16 X 22.5 = 71.1KM WEST


At 5.41 am the flight was 546N 47.7W

BFO 168
168 – 90 = 78
78 X 7 = 546N

BTO 12780
14900 – 12780 = 2120
2120/1000 = 2.12
2.12 X 22.5 = 47.7KM WEST

At 6.41 am the flight was 784N 8.1W

BFO 204
204 – 90 = 114
114 X 7 = 784N

BTO 14540
14900 – 14540 = 360
360/1000 = 0.36
0.36 X 22.5 = 8.1KM WEST



At 8.10 am the flight was 1134N 70.65E

BF0 252
252 – 90 = 162
162 X 7 = 1134N

BTO 18040
18040 – 14900 = 3140 EAST
3140/1000 = 3.14
3.14 X 22.5 = 70.65 EAST



Whenever I have written N it means north – and it means north of KL

When I have written W or west it means west of KL

When I have written East, it means east of KL

There are no southerly readings except for the very last ping which was -2/49660 which is where airasia crashed. Coincidence.


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And here is a map as before - but with the 08.19am ping at 23000 which is about 8 seconds apart from the -2 49660 ping located at Belitung which was the last ping point - and as you can see nothing can fly that fast - but 2 planes can be in 2 places at once - it is for you to decide if this ping belongs with the plane on the red line or another which came down as that one went up - or otherwise.

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While these BTO and BFO points - the horizontal and vertical distances seem to fit quite well - it is possible there are small inaccuracies - and small inaccuracies can change small things. For example if you shrink all the latitudinal measurements by a small degree - you get slightly different locations.

One reason for this error is that I took KL airport as being BFO 90 - in fact between midnight and 00.29.52 we have readings between 85 and 103.

By the time of official take off all planes are already on the move.

103-90 = 13
13 x 7= 91km

103-85 = 18
18 x 7 = 126km

so for example readings of between 88 and 95 would give a vertical (not altitide - latitude) separation distance of
95 - 87 = 8
8 x 7 = 56

so we start the sat readings with planes who have taken that tail number here at a north to south distance of 56 km.

The readings before and after the initial take-offs are some of the hardest to unravel, but for example: there are lots of airports in Malaysia and not from from Kuala Lumpur is Sultan AbdulAziz Shah airport

[link to www.google.co.uk (secure)]

Because there are BTO variations as well before the official take off time - it is quite possible that one of the flights left from here at an earlier departure time - it is 58kms north of KL International.

When you get familiar with the data you will see planes were on the move - all being recorded as the one plane.

I noticed that Sultan Bin Aziz Shah is similar in name to the King of Saudi who recently passed and I remember how people were asking: WHO was on the plane.

Well I think King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz recently died - the king of Saudi and I think he also was involved with BRICS and now we are about to get a major government shake up in Saudi.

I will continue in a moment or so.

I have been ban/ed twice since yesterday now so bear with me.

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I don't know if on the same day as MH370, King Abdullah was being manoeuvred about; I don't know if he was going to meet Xi Jiping.

I don't know if a plane was shot down over Vietnam and another over the Bay of Bengal; I don't know if only one plane made it through and it went via Java over the Belitung pinpoint where airasia went down - it would explain Indonesia refusing to allow searches at the time.

I don't know if airasia which only had 26 people who turned up for the flight had more people on it because passengers who survived the whole MH370 thing were finally being allowed to go home.

Don't forget - flight paths and waypoints are consistent and one of the only ways to navigate without them is to go straight on a set bearing - east to west west to east or north to south south to north - as may have happened in this story - it also helps to keep things hidden away in the data.

There was speculation that the King of Saudi had died before he was declared to have died; is it possible an airasia flight had been cleared for him? Or was his plane coming across ar a similar time using similar decoy manoeuvres?

Some questions will no doubt remain unanswered for some time.

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King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz died last week after being admitted a few weeks before with a lung infection.

A few weeks before around the time airasia PK AXC went down?

Coincidence again.

A new king of Saudi:

New Saudi king announces major government shake-up
Yahoo News‎ - 6 hours ago
SPA said Salman "issued a royal order today, relieving Prince Khalid bin Bandar bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, Chief of ... In March 2014, King Abdullah named Moqren to the new ...

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BRICS Gold Central Bank Outpost :: The Market Oracle ...
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12 Jun 2014 - The kingdom of Saudi Arabia will establish its first sovereign wealth fund ... practical functional role of the BRICS Saudi Central Bank Output for ...
The Crash Heard Round the World: Saudi Arabia Ends ...
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21 Sep 2014 - The Crash Heard Round the World: Saudi Arabia Ends Kissinger USD ... A joint development bank planned by the BRICS group of major ...


So in this scenario - you have different active wings of the same government systems - this is called a split in intel departments or between state and military for example: one may want to do its duty - to protect dignitaries for example - and to negotiate political and economic aspects openly - while the other tries illicit forms of manipulation like assassinations and the like.

For example - if you wanted to kill a dignitary but his flights were being shuffled for security reasons - which officially were because of a potential cargo issue - then there could be a mix up and military could officially shoot down a plane with a suspicious cargo - under orders from someone who believed it was to their own political advantage.

This is why it is hard to lay blame sometimes - but it all comes unravelled in the end - everything is known - it is just about what gets found out and proven.

MAS OPS probably didn't do anything wrong that day even though they switched tail numbers about for security reasons - which have become evident - with the loss of at least one plane - 2 with airasia - 3 with MH17 - 4 if one got show down in the Bay of Bengal.




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It shouldn't be too hard to match the relevant T Channels to the relevant planes on P Channel data now - just a matter of sifting and sorting using navigational data now.

Here is an example of BFO variation all allegedly before take off - the times in are UTC - I have been converting these to MYT on this thread:

[link to i.imgur.com]


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redhouserebel, you've posted a ton of stuff here. But why don't you 1st post an image with your final path of the freaking plane???? ufb.
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INMARSAT data probably cannot be trusted. In this instance.
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Nice work OP, damn.




I feel that if someone went through all of this trouble, they wanted the plane for future use.



The payload would have to be big because honestly, they could have just grabbed a business jet without drawing too much attention. That would give them plenty of range.


I spent time looking into runways under the 777s required minimal landing length because I think they could have devised a system to stop it short. I also wonder, but am not sure, if they could have cut the plane up and shipped it in pieces to reassemble in another location. It would be complicated but they put them together in pieces. It might be possible. I am not sure if the aircraft could maintain flight worthy integrity if put back together. Maybe an aircraft mechanic would know.


I think you steal a plane like this as a statement. The cost of doing the job would rival just buying an older jet in a third world country. If you just need something with range, a private jet is smarter. So it seems psychological to me. Probably Isis. They were more organized than people may have thought back then possibly. Notice how they were suddenly on the news after MH370 got out of the news.
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redhouserebel, you've posted a ton of stuff here. But why don't you 1st post an image with your final path of the freaking plane???? ufb.
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Hello - I have just plotted the data from Inmarsat - it kind of works like this: while a plane is logged in as a particular flight you get satellite pings for that flight - when it logs off as that flight - the pings reach the satellite still of course - but are not registered as being from that flight - so they don't appear with the data.

In this data:

The P Channel readings refer to the airplane terminal - and in this instance there are 3 - so I have indicated the pings for 3 planes on the map: for the of the planes I have only begun from where the planes were at at 2.25am because there is so much pinging around midnight to 2.42am it would take much more time to figure out.


The R Channel is the ground control contacting the plane registered as the flight so the R Channel numbers indicate which Radar station or Air Traffic Control was talking to the plane - this had me confused for a bit as at first I thought it might be - Lumpur Ground - Lumpur Base - Lumpur Radar - for example.

The T channel reading refers to the number of the Tail given - the Tail number - it is a number which is assigned and is most likely the number associated with where the ACARS information will come from.

When you see these things you can interpret the info very quickly in your head - but as it is a pdf you can't copy and paste to show other people.

There was a lot of T Channel changing just after midnight to official take off time and at around 2.25am so it is tricky to interpret the data.

The C Channel I feel is a military frequency as the flurries match up with locations (which give or take for minor errors in my measurements based on starting location for KL - are Butterworth and U-Tapao - maybe primary radar locations).

So I have only printed/ plotted/ charted what we know of from the data; If you want me to guess after that - I would only be quessing.

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I would say to Inmarsat to get the data for flight 301 that night though for sure. It may be incorrect but at one time when MAS OPS was attempting to call the plane - it registered as no response from 301 - instead of 305 - and shortly after the contact went through.


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INMARSAT data probably cannot be trusted. In this instance.
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I would say you can trust technology data more than any amount of speculation. This stuff works like GPS - so is probably accurate to within about 20 metres and with mayve a small time drag - minimal - but the plane can move at up to 600 mph.

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Nice work OP, damn.




I feel that if someone went through all of this trouble, they wanted the plane for future use.



The payload would have to be big because honestly, they could have just grabbed a business jet without drawing too much attention. That would give them plenty of range.


I spent time looking into runways under the 777s required minimal landing length because I think they could have devised a system to stop it short. I also wonder, but am not sure, if they could have cut the plane up and shipped it in pieces to reassemble in another location. It would be complicated but they put them together in pieces. It might be possible. I am not sure if the aircraft could maintain flight worthy integrity if put back together. Maybe an aircraft mechanic would know.


I think you steal a plane like this as a statement. The cost of doing the job would rival just buying an older jet in a third world country. If you just need something with range, a private jet is smarter. So it seems psychological to me. Probably Isis. They were more organized than people may have thought back then possibly. Notice how they were suddenly on the news after MH370 got out of the news.
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Yes - I also wasted a lot of time looking at many runways - before I realised BFO was a different kind of reading not parallel to BTO - and so I looked at all the little islands and calculated as you did possible landing sites with minimum cargo etc - but I felt I only had horizontal data - longitudinal data at that point - I basically posted as I thought, because I felt it was important and if i posted others would start work and they would be cleverer and better than me at doing it - but no one answered really.

I think there is still loads more info in there for really accurate readings. Also by checking against another flight straight out of KL - you would get a more accurate starting point to use to refer all calculations too.


There are at least 3 planes used in this operation.

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What would be possible to do now - is for Inmarsat and their sister agencies to get hold of other info to determine which planes were which:

If they find the P Channel numbers on different dates for example - so you look at different MH370 flights done by 9MMRO for example and when you see the same P-Channel - which is the plane terminal number - then you match this as one of the flights this day and you know it was this plane.

For example - what was the P Channel of flight MH17? Does it match 9MMRC or 9MMRD out of Amsterdam? Does it go to Germany or to Ukraine.

Does the black box number from this flight match the black box ID for previous 9MMRD or 9MMRC flights? Or even 9MMRO as some people feel. They have already lied about the transcript from the cockpit though - not Inmarsat - tptb - so who knows what we will be told.

If those planes ever flew again - we can find the if Inmarsat searches the P Channel and T channel numbers. I would check both if it was me.


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The first thing I thought this morning when I opened my eyes was - suppose BFO is latitude and BTO is longitude - or however that translated in my head - suppose I have got my figures calculated the wrong way round...

If someone interpreting the data was to say that BFO was in fact the horizontal or longitudinal distance and BTO the vertical - we would get another set of results - as we saw early on in the investigation:


Furthest west (edit sorry said east meant west)

[link to i.imgur.com]

This does not mean this point - it just means that the data would show the plane did not go further west than this if BFO was longitudinal/ horizontal




Furthest distance north


[link to i.imgur.com]

This does not mean this point - it just means that the data would show the plane did not go further north than this if BFO was longitudinal/ horizontal - in fact we would know the most northerly point already - it was on th east of Vietnam because we were given coordinates by MAS OPS - this map is just to show latitude of most northerly point with respect to KL




Furthest distance south

[link to i.imgur.com]


Again as per above - if BFO and BTO were exchanged - longitude for latitude measurements - then the planes did not go south past this latitude.

If this was all true then you would need to plot new coordinates and see if anyone of them fit any other known data.

I think you will find it didn't and that is why later in the investigation people started saying that the plane went south towards Australia - they meant Belitung Island near Java - but said Australia for some reason.



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I won't confuse the issue any further by posting the calculations - but someone might like to do some calcs of their own and plot a map to check it out.

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EDIT - THIS WAS A STUPID COMMENT NGGGGGUHHH - REMOVED.

I have mentioned Jaipur before as being a possible destination - not just for MH370 - but also for 9MMRD - which is MH16 on its flight into Amsterdam - which was replaced for 9MMRC. 9MMRD would be the flight that was filled with the deceased and shot down over Ukraine - having come into Ukraine from India and shot down by the plane AI113 disguised as a domestic flight behind it.


What is eerie is where you end up if you swap the BFO and BTO co-ordinates.

I will investigate further.


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Thread: MH370 landed at Rajastani Gujarati Boeing Chop Shop


MH16 going to Amsterdam:

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Thread: Why MH370?


AI113 air india trailing MH17:

Thread: UPDATE! MOSSAD PLOT TO PREVENT? ASSAULT ON TEMPLE MOUNT WITH LOST PLANE ON The Countdown Website OMG!!! (Page 16)


Including Bill Clinton's itinerary around the time - lol

Thread: MH370 and MH17 - both still missing?updates on page 7 re plane swap in India (Page 12)

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There is a ping point I haven't put on the map yet - it is for P Channel - plane: IOR-P600-0-36FC

P CHANNEL RESULTS FOR IOR-P600-0-36FC APPEARS 10 TIMES:

02.25.28. 852 ID10 LOG ON CONFIRM - 49.95 east of KL 364N
02.25.29. 572 ID 10
02.25.29. 572 ID 10
02.25.30. 213 ID 10
02.25.30. 213 ID 10

This point is very close to where P Channel IOR-P10500-0-386B is at 2.39 am - so these are two different planes swapping tail numbers around this time - and also around the time we get another plane sending a ping after having its details and location downloaded on the east coast of Vietnam - potentially on its way to China/ Hainan.

We do not know if this plane IOR-P600-0-36FC originated here or if it originated in KL - following or preceding IOR-P10500-0-3859 then turning back to the mainland while IOR-P10500-0-3859 potentially continued for at least 40 minutes more to 2.03/ 2.06am
Both IOR-P600-0-36FC and IOR-P10500-0-386B could then been on trajectories for Butterworth in Penang; we know IOR-P10500-0-386B was near there before going to U-Tapao, but all we know about IOR-P600-0-36FC is that 9 minutes after IOR-P10500-0-386B arrived - on the Thai Mainland (USAF U-Tapao) this plane was pinging from the Gulf of Thailand:

08.19.31.572 ID 10 LOG ON CONFIRM - 182.85E 644N
08.19.32.212
08.19.32.212
08.19.33.852
08.19.33.852

This reading is the second last ping point in the Gulf of Thailand 8 seconds apart from the one at Belitung.

So that is now at least 4 planes because we do not know which planes made the pings from the east coast of Vietnam or from the Belitung ping point. All we know is the radar point which registered this ping which was R Channel IOR R1200-0-36F6 which only appears once in the readings.


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