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Aborted Soul (OP) User ID: 61083343 United States 02/01/2015 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its not panic... Quoting: Aborted Soul Just plain old common sense... The airline industry has no equality here.. Market to market, heads up... Its a mute point.. for the fellow who thinks he can fly in and do this job... Most operator jobs require a new 2 year degree, techs also, engineering jobs such as chemist , chemical engineer or process and mechanical engineers along with designer make 80 to 125 dollars an hour now... you just don't walk in and take over... Ive spent 30 years designing these refineries and some of he largest oil platforms in the world... I know he business and you can rest assured im telling you the truth... Men making $80-$200 plus an hour, while the better part of half the country are barely making $10 an hour, ready to cause the entire country to pay ransom to meet their demands. I hope you all learn from this...Unions are their to protect their works at all costs...yeah right, look at all the other Union members who will be directly affected by their strike. We all started out naked and 1 day old... Im not union just so you know... Abandon all hope ye who enter here |
Saddletramp User ID: 1815918 Puerto Rico 02/01/2015 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am officially a scab today. No jokes please chuckle Quoting: Aborted Soul You think gas was high last year, watch what happens next... Prepare for OilMageddon... I work for a contract engineering company in Beaumont, Texas who has the capitol and expense contracts with the Exxon-Mobil refinery locally here... Oil Workers Issue Strike Notices After Rejecting 4 Offers... [link to article.wn.com] US Refinery Workers Prepared To Strike February 1 If No Deal Reached For New Contract. Oil company and union representatives started talks Wednesday for a new nationwide contract covering hourly workers at 63 US refineries that together represent 64% of the refinery capacity in the US, a union spokesperson told Reuters. The three-year agreement between the oil companies and United Steelworkers union (USW) that's in place now is scheduled to expire on February 1. [link to oilpro.com] As workers they couldn't have picked a worse time to do this, what with the oil companies laying off people left and right due to low prices... There will be plenty of people looking for work, they'll break that strike in a week... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67536824 United States 02/01/2015 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its not panic... Quoting: Aborted Soul Just plain old common sense... The airline industry has no equality here.. Market to market, heads up... Its a mute point.. for the fellow who thinks he can fly in and do this job... Most operator jobs require a new 2 year degree, techs also, engineering jobs such as chemist , chemical engineer or process and mechanical engineers along with designer make 80 to 125 dollars an hour now... you just don't walk in and take over... Ive spent 30 years designing these refineries and some of he largest oil platforms in the world... I know he business and you can rest assured im telling you the truth... Men making $80-$200 plus an hour, while the better part of half the country are barely making $10 an hour, ready to cause the entire country to pay ransom to meet their demands. I hope you all learn from this...Unions are their to protect their works at all costs...yeah right, look at all the other Union members who will be directly affected by their strike. We all started out naked and 1 day old... Im not union just so you know... Wow, so jealous. Nothing wrong with good pay but i can promise you you earn it or your out! |
Mugatu User ID: 67031165 United States 02/01/2015 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It'll be interesting to see market reaction, but I suspect it will be pretty muted. Refineries get shut in all the time for various reasons, and the market is pretty good at adjusting quickly. For one thing, we have become major exporters of gasoline in the U.S. It is illegal to export raw crude oil, but you can export the finished products that come out the other end of the refinery. We have been exporting a lot lately, so if production drops, it probably means less exports. [link to www.eia.gov] Plus we are in contango (future prices higher than today's prices), so people have been stuffing gasoline into storage to sell at higher prices later. You could stop all production and that stored supply would keep you going for quite a while. Finally, while gas prices might tick up a bit, crude prices on this news would be expected to tick down as the demand for raw crude supply for the refineries would presumably drop. Anyway, I have to say no chance of OilMageddon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61657830 Ireland 02/01/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It'll be interesting to see market reaction, but I suspect it will be pretty muted. Refineries get shut in all the time for various reasons, and the market is pretty good at adjusting quickly. Quoting: Mugatu For one thing, we have become major exporters of gasoline in the U.S. It is illegal to export raw crude oil, but you can export the finished products that come out the other end of the refinery. We have been exporting a lot lately, so if production drops, it probably means less exports. [link to www.eia.gov] Plus we are in contango (future prices higher than today's prices), so people have been stuffing gasoline into storage to sell at higher prices later. You could stop all production and that stored supply would keep you going for quite a while. Finally, while gas prices might tick up a bit, crude prices on this news would be expected to tick down as the demand for raw crude supply for the refineries would presumably drop. Anyway, I have to say no chance of OilMageddon. You fail to see the bigger plcture my friend... If raw crude price drops even more, companies will be even more squeezed out. So they will not be able to afford to meet the union's demands. |
Al Sharpton of Kyiv User ID: 65583592 United States 02/01/2015 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My speculation. Obama will nationalize the refineries OR force them into one quasi-governmental/private entity. Otherwise, long ruble and #Novorossia . Blessed - Rev. Alexander Barackovich Sharptonov & Mrs. Tawana Destiny Jesseyevna Jacksonov-Sharptonova |
Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 02/01/2015 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am officially a scab today. No jokes please chuckle Quoting: Aborted Soul You think gas was high last year, watch what happens next... Prepare for OilMageddon... I work for a contract engineering company in Beaumont, Texas who has the capitol and expense contracts with the Exxon-Mobil refinery locally here... Oil Workers Issue Strike Notices After Rejecting 4 Offers... [link to article.wn.com] US Refinery Workers Prepared To Strike February 1 If No Deal Reached For New Contract. Oil company and union representatives started talks Wednesday for a new nationwide contract covering hourly workers at 63 US refineries that together represent 64% of the refinery capacity in the US, a union spokesperson told Reuters. The three-year agreement between the oil companies and United Steelworkers union (USW) that's in place now is scheduled to expire on February 1. [link to oilpro.com] Let 'em strike ....there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of others who would LOVE to take their jobs. Not gonna' work. |
QueeQueg User ID: 67084797 United States 02/01/2015 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oilworkers striking for safer conditions? Jeez after the last bust in 09 every aspect of the petroleum industry is overrun with safety companies that do little more than run up the cost of energy. Oil workers overpaid anybody who believes that is ludicrous some of the most difficult skilled workers in the world. You earn every penny and are lucky to make it to retirement physically intact. Very few oil companies pay pensions and even when they do it's usually in company stock that may or may not be worth a shit when you retire. Ever heard of Enron. Right now virtually every bit of storage capacity for crude is full, forcing the still rising production to seek unconventional means like paying 10s of thousands of dollars per day to store at sea in tankers. Something else is going on here. I smell the Koch brothers trying to stir up the shit pot to do anything to destroy this country's economic structure and implement martial law. Expect regional fuel shortages, Plunging crude prices and skyrocketing refined liquid products. 35 years in the petroleum industry. Drilling Consultant / "Company Man" by trade. Amateur Gynecologist as a hobby. Q |
Carimbo Hanky User ID: 4205845 Puerto Rico 02/01/2015 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pull a Truman and nationalize the refineries ...if injustice, is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine. -Henry David Thoreau |
Thulsa User ID: 61984016 United States 02/01/2015 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snip LyondellBasell said in a statement that: “a contemporaneous and orderly transition took place at our Houston Refining site, and the company has now activated a well-developed and pre-prepared work continuation plan at the site that will ensure we continue to operate safely and provide uninterrupted service to meet the needs of our customers. We have negotiated diligently and in good faith with the USW from the beginning and we remain committed to negotiating in good faith for a fair and responsible contract.” Said Marathon Petroleum: “Marathon Petroleum Company’s Catlettsburg, Ky., and Galveston Bay, Texas, refineries are among those chosen by the USW for work stoppages. MPC has plans in place to ensure the continued safe operation of its facilities and stands ready to continue negotiations at the local level.” snip There is nothing quite as compelling as a bad idea whose time has come... Thulsa |
Thulsa User ID: 61984016 United States 02/01/2015 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am officially a scab today. No jokes please chuckle Quoting: Aborted Soul You think gas was high last year, watch what happens next... Prepare for OilMageddon... I work for a contract engineering company in Beaumont, Texas who has the capitol and expense contracts with the Exxon-Mobil refinery locally here... Oil Workers Issue Strike Notices After Rejecting 4 Offers... [link to article.wn.com] US Refinery Workers Prepared To Strike February 1 If No Deal Reached For New Contract. Oil company and union representatives started talks Wednesday for a new nationwide contract covering hourly workers at 63 US refineries that together represent 64% of the refinery capacity in the US, a union spokesperson told Reuters. The three-year agreement between the oil companies and United Steelworkers union (USW) that's in place now is scheduled to expire on February 1. [link to oilpro.com] As workers they couldn't have picked a worse time to do this, what with the oil companies laying off people left and right due to low prices... There will be plenty of people looking for work, they'll break that strike in a week... The key here, ST, is that they've called it an "unfair labor practice" strike. That means that while company employees not on strike can do any job they want, replacements can't be brought in. Only if a strike is an "economic" strike (wages, hours, that sort of thing) can new labor be retained until settlement takes place. There is nothing quite as compelling as a bad idea whose time has come... Thulsa |
beauvoir User ID: 67241110 Canada 02/01/2015 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes they are... the rest are waiting on the 11th so they receive a full months pay under their local agreements, good attorneys they have don't they, looks like they know they will need the cash, its a done deal... question it.s for u.s.a. only or for général world.. et comment ceci se dirige for a world beauvoir |
Aborted Soul (OP) User ID: 61083343 United States 02/01/2015 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes they are... the rest are waiting on the 11th so they receive a full months pay under their local agreements, good attorneys they have don't they, looks like they know they will need the cash, its a done deal... question it.s for u.s.a. only or for général world.. et comment ceci se dirige for a world yes they are... the rest are waiting on the 11th so they receive a full months pay under their local agreements, good attorneys they have don't they, looks like they know they will need the cash, its a done deal... question it.s for u.s.a. only or for général world.. et comment ceci se dirige for a world U.S for now, but bi-products will eventually seep into all markets... Danke... Abandon all hope ye who enter here |
beauvoir User ID: 67241110 Canada 02/01/2015 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really appreciate your thread and info but from my understanding there is a worldwide slow down (look at the Baltic Dry Index) and therefore an oil glut. Quoting: Shasta 58088371 That being the case, I don't really see how union issues are going to make the oil go higher. Unless, I'm missing something. It is a quite difficult economic situation to understand... We don't buy our gas from the world, we make most of our own gas now and have increased our own oil market drastically, this is an internal issue we created and the union realizes this... The saturated market has our own oil producers dropping the price, once we stop the flow here we will rely on outsourcing, and they will jack it up 3 fold if not higher knowing we're in a bind, the union knows this also... Its a catch 22 situation to say the least... donc.. it.s a situation interne/usa..only... beauvoir |
A. Coward 1001011 User ID: 19916272 United States 02/01/2015 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My recent experience, just to add to the list. I just took a trip from Wash. DC to Indiana. On the way back I stopped at two gas stations that were out of gas and one that only had regular (no plus or premium). Not sure exactly where cuz I didn't think much of it at the time. One was at one of my last stops though - so maybe Pennsylvania? Keep the info flowing! Great stuff! I might have to buy a mini oil contract :P |
Aborted Soul (OP) User ID: 61083343 United States 02/01/2015 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info and updates OP! Quoting: A. Coward 1001011 19916272 My recent experience, just to add to the list. I just took a trip from Wash. DC to Indiana. On the way back I stopped at two gas stations that were out of gas and one that only had regular (no plus or premium). Not sure exactly where cuz I didn't think much of it at the time. One was at one of my last stops though - so maybe Pennsylvania? Keep the info flowing! Great stuff! I might have to buy a mini oil contract :P will do... Abandon all hope ye who enter here |
Mugatu User ID: 67031165 United States 02/01/2015 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It'll be interesting to see market reaction, but I suspect it will be pretty muted. Refineries get shut in all the time for various reasons, and the market is pretty good at adjusting quickly. Quoting: Mugatu For one thing, we have become major exporters of gasoline in the U.S. It is illegal to export raw crude oil, but you can export the finished products that come out the other end of the refinery. We have been exporting a lot lately, so if production drops, it probably means less exports. [link to www.eia.gov] Plus we are in contango (future prices higher than today's prices), so people have been stuffing gasoline into storage to sell at higher prices later. You could stop all production and that stored supply would keep you going for quite a while. Finally, while gas prices might tick up a bit, crude prices on this news would be expected to tick down as the demand for raw crude supply for the refineries would presumably drop. Anyway, I have to say no chance of OilMageddon. You fail to see the bigger plcture my friend... If raw crude price drops even more, companies will be even more squeezed out. So they will not be able to afford to meet the union's demands. These are refineries, not oil drillers. They take the raw crude and process it into the different products industries and consumers use. Refinery economics are driven by the "crack" - the price difference between the market price of the raw crude and the market price of the various outputs of the refinery. |
Mugatu User ID: 67031165 United States 02/01/2015 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oilworkers striking for safer conditions? Jeez after the last bust in 09 every aspect of the petroleum industry is overrun with safety companies that do little more than run up the cost of energy. Quoting: QueeQueg Oil workers overpaid anybody who believes that is ludicrous some of the most difficult skilled workers in the world. You earn every penny and are lucky to make it to retirement physically intact. Very few oil companies pay pensions and even when they do it's usually in company stock that may or may not be worth a shit when you retire. Ever heard of Enron. Right now virtually every bit of storage capacity for crude is full, forcing the still rising production to seek unconventional means like paying 10s of thousands of dollars per day to store at sea in tankers. Something else is going on here. I smell the Koch brothers trying to stir up the shit pot to do anything to destroy this country's economic structure and implement martial law. Expect regional fuel shortages, Plunging crude prices and skyrocketing refined liquid products. 35 years in the petroleum industry. Drilling Consultant / "Company Man" by trade. Amateur Gynecologist as a hobby. Q I'm curious, do you really expect refined product prices to spike? I would expect the crack to widen a bit, but you think it will be significant? |
beauvoir User ID: 67241110 Canada 02/01/2015 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the pumps at my local Eagle gas station have bags on the pumps Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66605102 All the pumps at my local Eagle gas station have bags on the pumps Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66605102 Many places are seeing this problem as reported by multiple members here across multiple states... that being said, the move was made last week to stockpile in refinery the best they could, they know price will go up fast and they can make billions off their stockpile... Stickin it too us all in a moment of need... You will see more about this on the news soon and I wouldn't doubt if the senate doesn't look into this... its known as price gouging in a disaster scenario... And we got a disaster brewing... ok.jus speak french help me i read john koyle prophe ties and ..i said ..a little bit transport in usa ect... just think this (va emmener xxx+ cie transport to fail... it,s a possibility...+ (affaiblissement tranport intérieur, moins de transport a un cout devenant aléatoire up,ceci étouffe le commerce et de moins en moins d.économies ,juste une idée de...à venir ett ceci me rapelle john koyle propheties quand il disait . ..le transport dans le pays était très lent t restreint...est-ce ceci que vous exprimez ..possible..alors..la suite ,vient pour chacun de nous. beauvoir |
QueeQueg User ID: 67084797 United States 02/01/2015 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oilworkers striking for safer conditions? Jeez after the last bust in 09 every aspect of the petroleum industry is overrun with safety companies that do little more than run up the cost of energy. Quoting: QueeQueg Oil workers overpaid anybody who believes that is ludicrous some of the most difficult skilled workers in the world. You earn every penny and are lucky to make it to retirement physically intact. Very few oil companies pay pensions and even when they do it's usually in company stock that may or may not be worth a shit when you retire. Ever heard of Enron. Right now virtually every bit of storage capacity for crude is full, forcing the still rising production to seek unconventional means like paying 10s of thousands of dollars per day to store at sea in tankers. Something else is going on here. I smell the Koch brothers trying to stir up the shit pot to do anything to destroy this country's economic structure and implement martial law. Expect regional fuel shortages, Plunging crude prices and skyrocketing refined liquid products. 35 years in the petroleum industry. Drilling Consultant / "Company Man" by trade. Amateur Gynecologist as a hobby. Q I'm curious, do you really expect refined product prices to spike? I would expect the crack to widen a bit, but you think it will be significant? Were you around and aware in 1973? I was a little hiccup like the Saudis actually expecting to be paid for their oil sent the fuel price from 35 cents per gallon to 75 cents overnight. Regional shortages, rampant inflation, economic stagnation leading to a steady decline in middle class wage to inflation rates that have never recovered. I made 6 busk an hour as a roughneck in 1971. I was doing about as well then as I do now at $75. |
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John Donson User ID: 67566598 United States 02/01/2015 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am officially a scab today. No jokes please chuckle Quoting: Aborted Soul You think gas was high last year, watch what happens next... Prepare for OilMageddon... I work for a contract engineering company in Beaumont, Texas who has the capitol and expense contracts with the Exxon-Mobil refinery locally here... Oil Workers Issue Strike Notices After Rejecting 4 Offers... [link to article.wn.com] US Refinery Workers Prepared To Strike February 1 If No Deal Reached For New Contract. Oil company and union representatives started talks Wednesday for a new nationwide contract covering hourly workers at 63 US refineries that together represent 64% of the refinery capacity in the US, a union spokesperson told Reuters. The three-year agreement between the oil companies and United Steelworkers union (USW) that's in place now is scheduled to expire on February 1. [link to oilpro.com] As workers they couldn't have picked a worse time to do this, what with the oil companies laying off people left and right due to low prices... There will be plenty of people looking for work, they'll break that strike in a week... Right! I'll echo this. It's inconceivable for workers to walk off their job now because it may not be there for them at a later point in time. The union bosses don't care if the companies are facing serious headwinds. They want to get paid from a trough that is running dry. That's why unions suck! It's not about safety and never was. It's about the money! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34504517 United States 02/01/2015 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many of you forgot that unions and govdotorg have and continue to collude to destroy the middle class? Nothing has changed and they will do nothing that doesnt destroy the independence of the producers and the productive public. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54574564 United States 02/01/2015 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The entire reason gas is cheap right now is because TPTB set the price low on purpose to make Russia's economy bleed indefinitely. Gas will stay cheap for at least five more years, possibly ten. However long it takes for Russia's economy to completely collapse. |