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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

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BTW, for those that may wonder the M2 is the speed or the number of transactions (buy and sell) made with the money supply, an economic indicator for "how well" the economy is doing. Lower ratios means fewer transactions, or a slowing of he economy.

It's a long term gauge but its pretty solid on indicating where we're going.

Last Edited by Nexus-9 on 02/01/2015 04:14 PM
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

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5 star and pine!!! Its on like donkey kong
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"Just ignore that man behind the curtain"

HOLY sheeeeit!! what a tell...dayaaaam
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

5a
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5 star and pine!!! Its on like donkey kong
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Thank you hf
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Re: Velocity of M2 Money Stock - Economic indicator right in your face says it all!
Here's another one just as scary.

It's the M1 money stock (supply), showing gobs and gobs of money is getting printed more and evah more!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

5a
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I'm kinda glad I don't know what the hell that means..
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So, its simple math at this point, folks. 2+2 = 4.

What does it mean when despite all the money getting poured into the world economic activity is still slowing down?

It's like flooding the carburetor of an engine. No matter how much you press the gas peddle the engine won't go.

What does this mean for investors? Every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates, just laugh and buy more stock because they can't without sending the world into a steep recession.

The Fed is toothless.

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"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Velocity of money is a term used to describe how many monetary exchanges/transactions are being made. Like when you pay for that cheeseburger. The more robust an economy the more dollars being exchanged. When velocity drops it means ALOT and effects alot. It means business SUCKS..taxes on revenue is dropping etc. Its NOT GOOD at all..basically the economy is SLOWING DOWN...uh huh...but dont let OBama tell you that..
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

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bumpdamnedbump
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So, its simple math at this point, folks. 2+2 = 4.

What does it mean when despite all the money getting poured into the world economic activity is still slowing down?

It's like flooding the carburetor of an engine. No matter how much you press the gas peddle the engine won't go.

What does this mean for investors? Every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates, just laugh and buy more stock because they can't without sending the world into a steep recession.

The Fed is toothless.
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BUY MORE STOCK???? lmaolala
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Of all the news to pin, why isnt this? its basically saying our economy is DEAD...not matter what that inflated carcus of a stock market says...bloated by 2plus trillion i liquidity..Nice try FEDS...this along with the baltic index and the price of oil...is so fucking telling its not funny..

JUST WOW!!
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So, its simple math at this point, folks. 2+2 = 4.

What does it mean when despite all the money getting poured into the world economic activity is still slowing down?

It's like flooding the carburetor of an engine. No matter how much you press the gas peddle the engine won't go.

What does this mean for investors? Every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates, just laugh and buy more stock because they can't without sending the world into a steep recession.

The Fed is toothless.
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BUY MORE STOCK???? lmaolala
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This is exactly how the FED wants the sheep to react..Hey OP, long can the velocity of money continue at this rate without complete collapse
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Of all the news to pin, why isnt this? its basically saying our economy is DEAD...not matter what that inflated carcus of a stock market says...bloated by 2plus trillion i liquidity..Nice try FEDS...this along with the baltic index and the price of oil...is so fucking telling its not funny..

JUST WOW!!
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hesrighthesrighthesrighthesright
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Re: Velocity of M2 Money Stock - Economic indicator right in your face says it all!
So, its simple math at this point, folks. 2+2 = 4.

What does it mean when despite all the money getting poured into the world economic activity is still slowing down?

It's like flooding the carburetor of an engine. No matter how much you press the gas peddle the engine won't go.

What does this mean for investors? Every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates, just laugh and buy more stock because they can't without sending the world into a steep recession.

The Fed is toothless.
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BUY MORE STOCK???? lmaolala
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The reason why I say this is because, you're gonna see it. Traders will take an advantage of this situation. Now this is not for your newbie investors, because most likely they will get stuck holding the bag. But shrewd investors will profit from this, until they know when to exit the market. Then stocks will tumble like Niagara falls.

Its like a super asset bubble that's coming our way. Does a sky rocketing market mean the economy is good? Hell no. The fundamentals are so broke, but that's not to stop people from trying to make a buck while they can.

Last Edited by Nexus-9 on 02/01/2015 02:41 PM
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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maybe this is why banksters are suiciding at such a rapid rate..
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I pinned it for you, OP. hf
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But..but…but…the recession ended already…
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In a fractional reserve banking system, the dollar that is deposited is then lent back out, spent, redeposited, lent out to another person and on and on.

There is a small reserve requirement but beyond that the M2 would show a greater velocity.

M2 would be tough to manipulate. Same as the Baltic Dry Index which is also extremely low now.
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So money is being hoarded instead of being spent?

Why has M1 increased so dramatically (isn't it just physicla notes and coins?)?

When the gov borrows 'money' which is created out of thin air by the FED, there is no production of extra coins/notes - it's is just T-bills and electronic numbers in a bank account. Can someone explain?

The only reason I can think of for such a huge increase in printed bills is for the CIA to use when they take millions of USD notes into foreign countries (i.e. Syria) to fund terror groups like ISIS. We know they take in consignments of millions of notes.
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In all seriousness, don't they have a rule where they have to print money when weather is messing things up? They have used the weather many many times in their forecasts, press conferences, written reports, etc.

We had the blizzard of 2015 two weeks ago. And even though it was not as bad in all areas, people stayed home and did not work/spend, so now they must print money to make up for that loss of economic activity, right?
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OK M1 includes all electronic bank deposits too?
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In a fractional reserve banking system, the dollar that is deposited is then lent back out, spent, redeposited, lent out to another person and on and on.

There is a small reserve requirement but beyond that the M2 would show a greater velocity.

M2 would be tough to manipulate. Same as the Baltic Dry Index which is also extremely low now.
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M two, CANNOT be manipulated. Its the show pony of the true strength of any economy as it shows how much money is being exchanged between parties.

I used to own a business trade exchange. I.e. Barter company. ALL of our earning were based upon the velocity of trades..much as all tax revenue comes from this velocity.

My gawd..so many danger signs around the world..but all is fine. No worries..
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Re: Velocity of M2 Money Stock - Economic indicator right in your face says it all!
So, its simple math at this point, folks. 2+2 = 4.

What does it mean when despite all the money getting poured into the world economic activity is still slowing down?

It's like flooding the carburetor of an engine. No matter how much you press the gas peddle the engine won't go.

What does this mean for investors? Every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates, just laugh and buy more stock because they can't without sending the world into a steep recession.

The Fed is toothless.
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BUY MORE STOCK???? lmaolala
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This is exactly how the FED wants the sheep to react..Hey OP, long can the velocity of money continue at this rate without complete collapse
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See look at this thread

Thread: 2015 to be toughest year since recession !!

It's already happening where folks are buying stock. The corps getting ready to buy back their own stock. Opportunists will jump on to buy at the beginning of the trade session and sell at the end of the trade session.

As to how long? I think it really depends on the geo political situation of Russia. With, oil prices low the Fed can opt to raise the price of energy by printing more dollars, that's a little bit of wiggle room, but its more like a controlled crash at this point. When you see a fast exit from the market, the jigs up, and I'm talking circuit breakers and all, not some stupid 200 point drop. I'm talking about suspended trading. By then the people who had exited 24 hours earlier will be sipping pina coladas in their bunkers, while carnage rolls on the street.
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Re: Velocity of M2 Money Stock - Economic indicator right in your face says it all!
Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

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I'm kinda glad I don't know what the hell that means..
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I pinned it for you, OP. hf
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Thank you, thank you!

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(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

5a
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What it means is people are hanging onto whatever money they can hang on to.
That means no money is getting spent that isn't being forced out of their hands by govdotorg or circumstances.
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Re: Velocity of M2 Money Stock - Economic indicator right in your face says it all!
So money is being hoarded instead of being spent?

Why has M1 increased so dramatically (isn't it just physicla notes and coins?)?

When the gov borrows 'money' which is created out of thin air by the FED, there is no production of extra coins/notes - it's is just T-bills and electronic numbers in a bank account. Can someone explain?

The only reason I can think of for such a huge increase in printed bills is for the CIA to use when they take millions of USD notes into foreign countries (i.e. Syria) to fund terror groups like ISIS. We know they take in consignments of millions of notes.
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Bingo! Remember, the M1 money stock is ACTUALLY DEBT! Its growth is directly related to folks taking on more debt.

Here's another data chart I referenced in my term paper. Its the US treasuries owned by foreign nations. Note that most countries are taking on debt while Russia and China are divesting their US treasuries holdings.

[link to www.treasury.gov]
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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What it means is people are hanging onto whatever money they can hang on to.
That means no money is getting spent that isn't being forced out of their hands by govdotorg or circumstances.
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clappaclappa close enough...
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So money is being hoarded instead of being spent?

Why has M1 increased so dramatically (isn't it just physicla notes and coins?)?

When the gov borrows 'money' which is created out of thin air by the FED, there is no production of extra coins/notes - it's is just T-bills and electronic numbers in a bank account. Can someone explain?

The only reason I can think of for such a huge increase in printed bills is for the CIA to use when they take millions of USD notes into foreign countries (i.e. Syria) to fund terror groups like ISIS. We know they take in consignments of millions of notes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67583759


Bingo! Remember, the M1 money stock is ACTUALLY DEBT! Its growth is directly related to folks taking on more debt.

Here's another data chart I referenced in my term paper. Its the US treasuries owned by foreign nations. Note that most countries are taking on debt while Russia and China are divesting their US treasuries holdings.

[link to www.treasury.gov]
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I predict Japan will exceed China as the number one nation debt holder of US treasuries.

It's inevitable at this point!
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Hi Folks. Just finished my term paper citing the Feds Economic Research Data on the M2.

IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE M2 (Since late 1950's)

Matches up nicely with the BDIY!

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

5a
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Wow looks scary. Is there a way to quantify this? i.e. how much time do we have base on current trend? Years? Months? Weeks?





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