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Book Of Enoch, Applied To These Latter Days.

 
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Many claims, and even worse, many accusations against the truth, has been pointed out against the Book of Enoch. Most claim its original author was not that of that antediluvian period, but the sayings, thoughts, quotes and words were spoken of instead by some pseudo force/form/individual/s. Having no commonality with the original writings of that antediluvian Enoch!

Nevertheless, all who would believe that the Biblical Scriptures are truly inspired and thus given in such manner by God, would venture forth very gingerly, before making accusations against the Word/Scriptures, or those true recognized servants of God.

[2Tim.3:16KJV] All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instructions in righteousness.


[2Peter.1:20KJV] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[2peter.1:21KJV] For the prophecy came not of old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.


So therefore, Jude a Disciple of Christ, and Jesus' half brother after the flesh. Quoting from the book of Enoch, in the book of Jude, in the New Testament, in the verbatim of that Enoch; Jude is claiming that the sayings in/of the Enoch book are of that individual Enoch. Therefore, by not believing this statement in the Scriptures spoken by the words of Jude. We are either believing Jude is lying, the Scriptures are lying, or the translation is flawed. Therefore, making the Word of God untrue and not ALL Scripture, is given by his inspiration!

However, seeing that the God of all creation is infallible in every manner, so also would be his promises and his Word. Therefore, the words spoken by Jude are set and are true! Otherwise, we either accuse Jude of lying, or speaking after the manner of his own will (unscriptual of course according to [2Peter.1:21].) Therefore, Jude claims these words were declared by that patriarch of old, even that Enoch.

[Jude.1:14KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[Jude.1:15KJV] To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Now regardless of what is known about prophecy or any word inspired thru God toward mankind's understanding. We know God would never have his true servants quote an inspired work from any evil source. Neither a portion thereof.

Therefore, if one portion of a work is worthy of a biblical quotation. Then all of its context must therefore be of that same source of its writings/inspiration! So Scripture would not use a source other than that inspired by God to quote in the warning of the cautions of coming events. In other-words God would never use an evil, or even a secular work/words of another to aid him in a warning toward mankind.

God instead would draw from his own inspirational words to be quoted in/from his other inspirational servants! Thus, this is exactly what he did. Jude quoting Enoch verifying both works are/were after the inspiration of the Holy Spirit! Jude did not say: even as some 'pseudo individuals' have said. No Jude makes it clear he is quoting Enoch the seventh from Adam, and the quotation is from that book of Enoch.

If these things therefore be true, we should then look into the more serious aspects of what Enoch was and is warning us about and the visions he beholds that lines up exactly with many portions of the book of Revelation.

Enoch even prophesied and claimed these words and his writings was not for his generation, but another generation to come afar off. A last generation, and that the words of his meanings would be latent until the time of its near fulfillment of its delineation.

Therefore, was such the occurrence of that promise. For a major undertaking commenced into the study of the Book/s of Enoch when large portions were discovered of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948. Although there was a discovery of the book of Enoch I believe by another. This was after it was thought to no longer be in existence. This discovery I believe was in the latter part of the 18th century. However, There was no real study/interpretation of the book thereafter at that time. There was later on a scholar/interpreter who lived during the late 19th to early 20th century who was famous for his interpretation of the Book of Enoch. As I said, there was and is not a real true interpretation of the meaning of the book of Enoch in my opinion, as far as I can see!

As far as I am concerned and in my opinion. None of the interpretations of the Book of Enoch since its discovery, regardless of their recognition by scholarly authorities, has very little to convey to us. That its interpretation leads away from any truth toward its meaning or purpose concerning Enoch's desire to reveal to this generation and its meaning! That what the Book of Enoch sought to reveal, has nothing to reveal when it comes to its poor interpretation of its true meaning, and total lack of discerning its revelations of strange things to come forth in the days ahead.! I hope to share some of these beliefs of mine and how I believe these inspired words of Enoch might better be understood, later on in this thread.

I hope to also get some inspiring input on this thread from others concerning this motif, and others subjects of interest also.
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Can they write what he wrote in our language from the dead sea scrolls? Here I will add something, which I think, does not make if fact only that there may have been a reason it was left out.

I believe it was in the bible during Jesus Christ time and early books of the bible, but was later remove. They remove a book by one who said the earth was round, and there was a country across the sea, or ocean. They took him, as a fake. Wonder never stop, he was right.

The Book of Enoch tell thing some would not want known, it would hamper them. I will say no more.

One thing for sure in the Old testament it said Enoch walk and Talk with God, and God took him.

So, he was real, and they knew he was important to The Lord.
Adam talk to God, Seth talked to God, In the Generation Of Enoch he talked to God.

The ones who talked to God left books or tablets behind. They were copied over and with skill, not allowed to make mistakes. Now, the Old Testament was hid once before in the Bible and found in the days of Josiah the King, in clay jars. Why were they hid, because the one who hid them wanted them to worship a false god which they were doing and did not know, they were worshiping Baal, Moloch who worship was a blood sacrifice of children.

The same thing maybe, or something to that way? Hiding books hiding scripture. Constantine got the books, he used to worship Mithra, which is the Sun God, the same rituals as the Roman Catholic Church down to eating the flesh, wafers and blood. There is more, but this is not The belief if our Christ only similar, that god was said to be born on Dec. 25 every year and the son of the Sun god. 12 days of Christmas, never have I ever done 12 days of Christmas and most time it is before the 25, of Dec. Nothing in a worship of the Son of the Son god. Talking about history repeating itself, Easter is Ishtar the rabbit is fertility goddess but if what i read is true the had a child and sacrificed it in the next Easter!

Jesus had a good reason to tale the disciples to remember the last supper each thing he mention was about his coming and who he was to tell the other Jews he had come. Talk always your daily bread it comes from The Lord. Remember He is Holy and give thanks for what the Son of God did, for us, he is our redeemer and king forever.
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I will be describing the different passages from the "Ethiopian version" of the Book of Enoch. I believe its writings best describe the higher course of its true meaning of its explanations.

Please bear with me, for I will seek to explain away much of what has always been assumed and taught by men whose concepts was sought out through soul/intellectual teachings; rather than spiritual comprehension/discernment of the Word of God. This will be the necessary means of interpreting the meaning of the Word in its intended precepts. So To establish a solid direction we must find the flow of the correct course.

We must base all reasoning's against the Word, and things contradicting the Word, cannot hold upon its own assumptions of any hearsay. Hearsay, is one of the many instruments utilized by the enemy. So unless, it is established with the Word of God, it cannot be correct toward the more comprehensible meaning. And if some meaning is not correct in one portion, it tends to mislead in other passages.

At some point Enoch is taken up to a heavenly realm, according to the Book of 1Enoch, and he can scarcely describe what he is seeing. Knowing that at that point of time nothing had ever been revealed about that realm to mankind, for no man/woman had ever beheld it.

Therefore, it seems a spectacular individual is shown to Enoch whose dwelling place was beneath the wings of one called, the Lord of spirits.

[1Enoch39:6a] And in that place mine eyes say the Elect One of righteousness, and of faith.

Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believe. That the Elect One is always speaking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really! I know the story (hearsay) told about the monk/translator of the Scriptures; who while coping the set of Scriptures from one of the books of the four Gospels. That the saying goes, that, that translator/monk eliminated the words Elect One when describing Jesus at the time of being Baptized by John the Baptist. The reason? Because, it was not so stated that way in the other three Gospels, and he didn't want the Word/Scripture to appear unbalanced with the rest of the Gospels of the three remaining ones, in its description of who Jesus was!

First of all this is the most ridiculous story I have ever read. These men of God whose loyal service was dedicated to the exact wording in their lifetime service of the exact translation of the words in the entire Scriptures. These translations from one printing to another were checked and check, and rechecked by many to entail complete and total accuracy of the Words copied down. It was not just one translator of the words copied who partook of these actions and responsibilities alone. This would have to have been a conspiracy against something of a major importance in the Word. In cooperation with scores, if not hundreds of others in the knowledge of this blatant violation that all these scribes had dedicated their lives and trust in!

Then it also goes without saying that if all Scripture is given to us by the inspiration of God [2Tim.3:16KJV,] I am sure no one man or a group of men, could hinder God's intentional meaning of His Word! To further confirm from the Word, that the Elect One is not referring to Jesus Christ. We can clearly see that in [Isa.42:1KJV] that elect one, that servant is not the Father speaking about Jesus, but Jesus is speaking about his servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking about his servant, the elect one, in these passages. Because it states throughout the passages who it is that is declaring these words through Isaiah's prophecy about this servant, this elect one. Thus, in these following passages it is made clear who is declaring this personage called the elect servant:

[Isa,41:21KJV] the King of Jacob.
[Isa.43:3] the Holy one of Israel, thy Savior.
[Isa.43:14KJV] the Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
[Isa.43:15KJV] I am the Lord your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
[Isa.44:24KJV] Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb. I am the Lord that makes all things: that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself.

Now all these different passages/verses speak clearly as of the one speaking, is the Redeemer,
(only Jesus has that title (redeemer), for he alone paid the price.) he claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself. This is the one called the word who came in the flesh. Even the word was in the beginning and he created all things (only Jesus) (John1:1-4KJV.] The King of Jacob/Israel/Jews, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father, but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his elect one!

YET TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE, IN [ISA.49:2kjv.] In the shadow of his hand has he hid me. This one hides this man in the shadow of his hand. Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hide someone. Because, he consist of both spirit and flesh after his resurrection and these passages are speaking of a distant future, an end time happening! Now we know according to the Word, the Father of lights and the Holy Spirit cannot cast a shadow for they of the Trinity are Spirits. Thus, as it declares in [James,1:17KJV] Every good and perfect gift cometh down from the Father of lights; with whom there is no SHADOW of turning.

So according to Scripture there is an elect, hidden, servant, hidden, but it isn't Jesus, who is hidden, but Jesus is the one who is doing the hiding. How can we hope to see something hidden by Jesus? Unless, he allows the revealing of those things. And what has hid them from us? Men of tradition and false understanding far from the truth of the Word!

Finally, concerning this subject and I am sorry to explain in such detail, but it is important to clear this misunderstanding up. Because, remaining in this belief about an Elect One, would confuse the whole subject matter ahead!

Jesus, never could be considered of the elect. For as Enoch will later reveal in these passages of his book, the elect were once of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would be the Elect One; Jesus never had a sinful nature, neither was born into this world with one. For unlike all others, all mankind was blood-born subjects to their father after sin, Satan; but Jesus was born after the Spirit, his Father after righteousness, GOD.

So that Elect One, will also be referred to as the Hidden One, the Righteous One, and many other flattering names and titles. For as it declares about that one in [Isa.45:4KJV,] God has surnamed him. Surname in the original linguistics means "given many flatting names and titles. So in both the biblical and the Enoch passages it is thus revealed." Yet as all God's elect he comes forth from sin.

Now to add one more comment. Jesus could never be of the category of the Elect. For of all endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm. Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be so. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did, by his own choice, and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a KING..not someone Elected!

[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.
[Enoch.39:8] There I wished to dwell,
And my spirit longed for that dwelling-place.

And there heretofore hath been my PORTION.

Yet, Enoch did not understand that, that individual (Elect One) who he so desired to be, and the desire for his dwelling place beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits, was (in part, (PORTION,) himself, but in a future tense. Enoch in a different form, physically, but of the same spirit! Therefore, was the meaning in a PORTION (Enoch.39:8). For a portion of anything could be divided in half. Therefore, these scenes that Enoch was to witness, was not revealed for his own understanding. For how could he know himself in the form of a different body, he had never seen. For he was beholding that Enoch for the latter days to come, of his own spirit. However, it was meant for that other one, of that Enoch spirit, and that generation of those times; who would understand the Book's meaning and that generations unsealing.

The major factor to better understanding how to distinguish a deeper insight to the book of Enoch, will be shown next time. Then I hope to explain and show the meaning of the way the words distinguish the difference when it is speaking about the Father (GOD,) and when it is revealing the Son (Jesus.) When it is showing the meaning of that Enoch of then, and soon to come. Also, of the end days, and the generation of these times, and some very soon happenings.

I will end for now. Will return later in the week.
God Bless.
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It could be possible that the books of Enoch will be a key in itself to unlocking the the Bible to this sinful generation it's elect to be. No doubt that the further we move away from being rightious in our generations , we become more enlightened in our Majesty's grace.

Even the KJV seems to have a sense of geometry to it... a way of verifying itself without contradiction.

Perhaps by some type of mathmatical anomily the book of Enoch can connect itself to the Bible...

For example, I believe the living word to actually be Jesus as well.

Could the old testiment be the body of christ and the new his spirit and where would the book enock fit... body? Spirit?

Or could the book even reresent us...the bride..

It seems as the our God has thought of everything and when God speaks he does so with absolute perfect harmony.

Amen?
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[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.



Nibiru reference...


the sumerian winged orb
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Many claims, and even worse, many accusations against the truth, has been pointed out against the Book of Enoch. Most claim its original author was not that of that antediluvian period, but the sayings, thoughts, quotes and words were spoken of instead by some pseudo force/form/individual/s. Having no commonality with the original writings of that antediluvian Enoch!

Nevertheless, all who would believe that the Biblical Scriptures are truly inspired and thus given in such manner by God, would venture forth very gingerly, before making accusations against the Word/Scriptures, or those true recognized servants of God.

[2Tim.3:16KJV] All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instructions in righteousness.


[2Peter.1:20KJV] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[2peter.1:21KJV] For the prophecy came not of old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.


So therefore, Jude a Disciple of Christ, and Jesus' half brother after the flesh. Quoting from the book of Enoch, in the book of Jude, in the New Testament, in the verbatim of that Enoch; Jude is claiming that the sayings in/of the Enoch book are of that individual Enoch. Therefore, by not believing this statement in the Scriptures spoken by the words of Jude. We are either believing Jude is lying, the Scriptures are lying, or the translation is flawed. Therefore, making the Word of God untrue and not ALL Scripture, is given by his inspiration!

However, seeing that the God of all creation is infallible in every manner, so also would be his promises and his Word. Therefore, the words spoken by Jude are set and are true! Otherwise, we either accuse Jude of lying, or speaking after the manner of his own will (unscriptual of course according to [2Peter.1:21].) Therefore, Jude claims these words were declared by that patriarch of old, even that Enoch.

[Jude.1:14KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[Jude.1:15KJV] To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Now regardless of what is known about prophecy or any word inspired thru God toward mankind's understanding. We know God would never have his true servants quote an inspired work from any evil source. Neither a portion thereof.

Therefore, if one portion of a work is worthy of a biblical quotation. Then all of its context must therefore be of that same source of its writings/inspiration! So Scripture would not use a source other than that inspired by God to quote in the warning of the cautions of coming events. In other-words God would never use an evil, or even a secular work/words of another to aid him in a warning toward mankind.

God instead would draw from his own inspirational words to be quoted in/from his other inspirational servants! Thus, this is exactly what he did. Jude quoting Enoch verifying both works are/were after the inspiration of the Holy Spirit! Jude did not say: even as some 'pseudo individuals' have said. No Jude makes it clear he is quoting Enoch the seventh from Adam, and the quotation is from that book of Enoch.

If these things therefore be true, we should then look into the more serious aspects of what Enoch was and is warning us about and the visions he beholds that lines up exactly with many portions of the book of Revelation.

Enoch even prophesied and claimed these words and his writings was not for his generation, but another generation to come afar off. A last generation, and that the words of his meanings would be latent until the time of its near fulfillment of its delineation.

Therefore, was such the occurrence of that promise. For a major undertaking commenced into the study of the Book/s of Enoch when large portions were discovered of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948. Although there was a discovery of the book of Enoch I believe by another. This was after it was thought to no longer be in existence. This discovery I believe was in the latter part of the 18th century. However, There was no real study/interpretation of the book thereafter at that time. There was later on a scholar/interpreter who lived during the late 19th to early 20th century who was famous for his interpretation of the Book of Enoch. As I said, there was and is not a real true interpretation of the meaning of the book of Enoch in my opinion, as far as I can see!

As far as I am concerned and in my opinion. None of the interpretations of the Book of Enoch since its discovery, regardless of their recognition by scholarly authorities, has very little to convey to us. That its interpretation leads away from any truth toward its meaning or purpose concerning Enoch's desire to reveal to this generation and its meaning! That what the Book of Enoch sought to reveal, has nothing to reveal when it comes to its poor interpretation of its true meaning, and total lack of discerning its revelations of strange things to come forth in the days ahead.! I hope to share some of these beliefs of mine and how I believe these inspired words of Enoch might better be understood, later on in this thread.

I hope to also get some inspiring input on this thread from others concerning this motif, and others subjects of interest also.
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Amen, brother. I have been telling people for a long time that the books of Enoch, there are five total, are books for the final generation at the time of the end. Enoch explains who the fallen one's where and what they did. This is corroborated in Genesis 6, Enoch just goes into much greater detail.

I encourage and highly recommend every Christian read these books if you want to know the truth of matters. Its important!

"Just as in the days of Noah, so will the days of the coming of the Son of Man be"
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
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What "validates" the book then? Being canonized by Rome?
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It could be possible that the books of Enoch will be a key in itself to unlocking the the Bible to this sinful generation it's elect to be. No doubt that the further we move away from being rightious in our generations , we become more enlightened in our Majesty's grace.

Even the KJV seems to have a sense of geometry to it... a way of verifying itself without contradiction.

Perhaps by some type of mathmatical anomily the book of Enoch can connect itself to the Bible...

For example, I believe the living word to actually be Jesus as well.

Could the old testiment be the body of christ and the new his spirit and where would the book enock fit... body? Spirit?

Or could the book even reresent us...the bride..

It seems as the our God has thought of everything and when God speaks he does so with absolute perfect harmony.

Amen?
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Could be like that. I believe the Word consist of life. And that its members/verses hold within itself, body, soul, spirit, breath. So yes I can see your point and insight.
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Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
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If it wasn't for the fact that you are completely void of discernment of God's purpose, plan, and Word, I wouldn't even bother to contend with your unbalanced reasoning's. For I know your true objectives are meant to disrupt my threads. Nevertheless, we all have our own crosses to bear, at least you are a tiny cross...lol.

The verse you are seeking to quote is not in Enoch (58,) but it is in Enoch (60.) If you are going to try to make a point, at least quote the correct verse, so we do not have to spend the time searching out what cannot be found following your statements.

Again you don't understand the concept of the starting point of that verse's meaning. The verse speaks after this manner:

Accordingly we must consider the pre and post events/verses of that timeline of judgement, those 500 years, in these passages that are being considered. It is not speaking of the age of an individual, but the timeline of the connection of an action against that beginning of that certain violation. In more simple terms. If you convey the whole meaning of the depiction. Enoch was observing the times, event, and judgements, God had began to pass against that wicked generation of those days, and the violation that began 500 years earlier. Enoch was simple examining those past 500 years up-to his lifetime, through a vision, not that he was 500 years old.

It would be like you were shown a vision of the discovery of America when you were 40 years old. That wouldn't mean you were as old as the vision that was being shown you. It was just a means of encompassing the scope of the extended timeline in a vision shown during your lifetime. The only difference would be is that, that 500 year violation against God's will encompassed the portion of Enoch timeline (lifetime) also, but was not the full extent of it (his lifetime.) Keep in mind that much of Enoch's visitation consisted of visions of past, present, and future, events, but even though he witnessed such events during his lifetime, didn't mean he lived in all those periods and judgements and times!
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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/disagree

show me how "the adversary" wants us to think this...


King david prayed for the return of thisvery same object..

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
(this one is very telling, for it says "calamities" come with this object)

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,


these are all references to NIBIRU
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and Enoch being taken relays info as to what he saw in his travels...

stars and galaxies...other planets and worlds different from earth
he was taken in a SHIP a SPACECRAFT

what the bible calls "celestial chariots" or "whirlwinds"

these were vehicles of the "angels"




now why would a spirit being need a vehicle?

because they are not spirits.
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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/disagree

show me how "the adversary" wants us to think this...


King david prayed for the return of thisvery same object..

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
(this one is very telling, for it says "calamities" come with this object)

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,


these are all references to NIBIRU
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No offense bro... You are on the wrong side to the argument of which came first.. The chicken or the egg?

In the beginning was the Word!

Everything after that was done so to mock God's word....

The winged planet of doom is for the weak minded...
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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/disagree

show me how "the adversary" wants us to think this...


King david prayed for the return of thisvery same object..

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
(this one is very telling, for it says "calamities" come with this object)

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,


these are all references to NIBIRU
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No offense bro... You are on the wrong side to the argument of which came first.. The chicken or the egg?

In the beginning was the Word!

Everything after that was done so to mock God's word....

The winged planet of doom is for the weak minded...
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/disagree.

its in there....many many times.

it is US who has mistranslated the true meaning


the angels and GODs presence is CYCLICAL in the bible...

they were here once before....then they left, and revelation says they will come again

this is a cycle.

The earth undergoes cyclical ELEs...

all in correspondence to the arrival of their planet.


what works in cycles that can easily explain this?

A PLANET
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and Enoch being taken relays info as to what he saw in his travels...

stars and galaxies...other planets and worlds different from earth
he was taken in a SHIP a SPACECRAFT

what the bible calls "celestial chariots" or "whirlwinds"

these were vehicles of the "angels"




now why would a spirit being need a vehicle?

because they are not spirits.
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Your assumption of their complete ignorance as to what they really saw will be your own undoing.

There is no such things as flying saucers... Get over it and use your brain for once
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and Enoch being taken relays info as to what he saw in his travels...

stars and galaxies...other planets and worlds different from earth
he was taken in a SHIP a SPACECRAFT

what the bible calls "celestial chariots" or "whirlwinds"

these were vehicles of the "angels"




now why would a spirit being need a vehicle?

because they are not spirits.
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Your assumption of their complete ignorance as to what they really saw will be your own undoing.

There is no such things as flying saucers... Get over it and use your brain for once
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Psalm 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

yes there is...

GOD uses em.

why hurl insults?

your words show your inner truth.

You will reap what you sew.

how you judge others is how you will be judged.
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Sorry... Not the same

Satan mimics everything that God does or has....

Space craft is not from God
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Sorry... Not the same

Satan mimics everything that God does or has....

Space craft is not from God
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LOL


i JUST showed you a scripture that says he DOES.


NOW prove me WRONG.


I can show MANY MANY more.


it is YOU and the rest of the "religiously minded" who have been lied to.



watch and see.


The first thing people do when Jesus comes back according to revelation is RUN AWAY.

they run and hide underground.....


now WHY would people FLEE from Jesus?

because his return will NOT be what everyone expects.
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Sorry... Not the same

Satan mimics everything that God does or has....

Space craft is not from God
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so SATAN wrote psalms 68:17?
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I have a copy and read part of it. I don't have a problem thinking most of it is true and certainly Jude quotes it.

Honestly, I think you are making too big a deal out of it though. We have 66 other bible books packed full of divine revelation that applies to daily life as well as prophecies. Nobody is going to miss out or suffer w/o the book of Enoch in any significant way.

I do think it is helpful in clarifying what Genesis means when it speaks of the sons of god marrying the daughters of men- too many folks try to worm their way out of fallen angels mating with women, but it happened. It may happen again....but big deal, look at what is going on with demon possession. Does it really matter what someone's biology is if a person can be fully ensnared by darkness even with two human parents?

Anyway, I would get more excited about Jesus. Keep Him first.
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Ha ha... You are twisting the word of God again....

Do what you do though!

They are not space craft simply because nuts and bolts can not go from earth to Heaven

They are something more than that
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"heaven" = SPACE


"chariot" = vehicle or craft of some kind

"Lord of HOSTS" = largest planet


sometimes the TERM "GOD" in the bible means PLANET

Like HERE for example

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

and HERE

Psalm 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


it was COMMON for ancient man to look up , see a planet and refer to it as a "GOD"


every planet in our solar system is named after what?

a GOD


so when they saw this planet coming through...they reacted by saying
"GOD has risen to shake the earth"
or "GOD is wrathful"


it is easy when you put yourself in their shoes.

They were simply trying to describe what they saw.
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Ha ha... You are twisting the word of God again....

Do what you do though!

They are not space craft simply because nuts and bolts can not go from earth to Heaven

They are something more than that
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AND i have posted a crap load of scriptures pointing our my insights

where are yours?

prove me wrong.
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Ha ha... You are twisting the word of God again....

Do what you do though!

They are not space craft simply because nuts and bolts can not go from earth to Heaven

They are something more than that
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AND i have posted a crap load of scriptures pointing our my insights

where are yours?

prove me wrong.
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Okay... Fling scrolls and chariots... I believe that
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and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy!

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THIS UP THERE ^
There are ancient texts that are authentic and not in the bible yet provide related history, proof, etc. I'm good w/Enoch, I believe that GOD can absolutely have our world in this order, even including 'flat-earth'. There must be, among the multitudes of angels, ones we do not know the names of. The big problem I have is the 'angel in charge of repentance'. Huge red flag.

Even the great deceiver lair tells half-truths.
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and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy!

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THIS UP THERE ^
There are ancient texts that are authentic and not in the bible yet provide related history, proof, etc. I'm good w/Enoch, I believe that GOD can absolutely have our world in this order, even including 'flat-earth'. There must be, among the multitudes of angels, ones we do not know the names of. The big problem I have is the 'angel in charge of repentance'. Huge red flag.

Even the great deceiver lair tells half-truths.
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Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ
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Book of Enoch

39:1

And it will come to pass in these days that the elect and holy children will descend from the high heavens, and their seed will become one with the children of men.
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Book of Enoch

39:1

And it will come to pass in these days that the elect and holy children will descend from the high heavens, and their seed will become one with the children of men.
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yessir


you want to know WHY?
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Those of the Heavenly Host known as Grigori, or Watchers, those the sumerians call the Igigi came and took wives of the Daughters of Man.
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Those of the Heavenly Host known as Grigori, or Watchers, those the sumerians call the Igigi came and took wives of the Daughters of Man.
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yessir

and there is an end goal.


there is a bigger picture....a grand conclusion.


I know what it is.
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Here is something you wrote me...you might want to take your own advice (I read Sophia asked what you thought of it and you said it was the female version of David going through the spiritual instead of the physical)....anyway here is your quote from your other thread:



Spirits of evil speak after the order of men of self confirmation, but never after the order of God's confirmation. Such foolish men will all perish within their own self-seeking gratification of their fleshly desires. For their motives were evil, seeking to take that which was not purposed for them.

Waterman, Sophia in whom you believe, is of a cultist belief system, and the study thereof is also the ways of that wicked priest, that speaker/man of lies! His trust is of a cultist belief, and not on the foundational principles of the Word's proclamation. Jesus, sets not at the table of good and evil (cultist beliefs, and the Word of God.) So sad you believe in lies that you yourself have now created. For the amusement of some, and their own hidden agendas. Yet, in actuality, it is for the sole purpose of that priest's own self promotion, and to thrust against God's plan. Thus, working against that man unknown, in God's mysteries, of his hidden agenda toward his Elect One, and his elect ones, and its eventual manifestation.








We read in chapter 40 of the Book of Enoch...

1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude
2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.
3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5 And the second voice I heard blessing
6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God.









Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:





Occultists use the book of enoch for spells....and there are many other untruths in the book of enoch but you will over look them because you see yourself as the one you are building up....you have lost your path friend better get back to the bible as your goto instead of all those extra-biblical books(the foundational principles of the Word's proclamation)....we know who uses those occultist books(illegitimate/wicked preist).



Did you mean this or was it just pretty words?

We must base all reasoning's against the Word, and things contradicting the Word, cannot hold upon its own assumptions of any hearsay. Hearsay, is one of the many instruments utilized by the enemy. So unless, it is established with the Word of God, it cannot be correct toward the more comprehensible meaning. And if some meaning is not correct in one portion, it tends to mislead in other passages.


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waterman, waterman, will you never stop seeking to agitate those who are confirmed against those who are not. Nevertheless, I will seek to answer your silly accusations once again, step by step.

First of all by stating Sophia was a female version of David going through the spiritual instead of the physical; as stated in the privacy of my email, was no confirmation of the works of Sophia. It's as though the comparisons were of comic fiction, and reality. Entertaining, but of no significance in the establishment of truth!

Yet, as I recalled you was more enthusiastic about discovery the writings of Sophia, than if you had discovered a pot of Gold..lol. Yet, you claim the Book of Enoch is occultist! Of course this was no less of importance of your discovery, as you claiming you was that Sophia..lol! I guess in drag, you being male and all..lol. Be careful I may also have some statements of privacy of yours on my email..lol.

I still stand on my statement: men not confirmed are open to nonspiritual influence in biblical understanding!

Concerning your statement about the argument about the angel Phanuel (which is not your argument, but as usual something you have read to further your foolish arguments.)


There is much not mention in the Bible, yet, it still doesn't make it void of other truths. I know for a fact that God has in his possession billions of angels and has named them all. Yet, they are not named in the Bible. That doesn't mean he cannot expose a couple of them in other writings and their names. After all, the Book of Enoch is a well recognized book studied by the many during Jesus' days on earth. Nothing adverse was ever disputed about that book, not even by Jesus', who I am sure read it during those days, as it was considered part of the curriculum among many Jewish sects in those days.

The book of Enoch is not claiming any such thing as Phanuel being in any form a redeemer toward repentance, but he is simply set over them who are of repentance in hope. Just as Gabriel is not the message, only the messenger. Michael not the planer, informant of the battle, but the warrior at its head. So an angel who watches over those who hope in their redemption would not be opposed to Scripture.

The only purpose I have for my study of the book of Enoch is to better comprehend the latter days. I have no other motive to examine. You are the one who makes all the accusations of nonsense and hidden motives of untruths. You are the one on your threads, when ask your purpose in declaring your nonsense; said it was a secret..lol.

Just because occultist use the Book of Enoch for evil means, doesn't justify that the righteous should not study it. Many bibles have been burnt through centuries, by evil men, but that doesn't mean it is a book of evil because they abused it. So in like manner abusing the context of its sayings of Enoch, by evil ones doesn't make it evil or wrong in its claims.

The book of Enoch is not a work of hearsay. It was well established from times past and even past through the scrutiny of the man, Jesus Christ, his disciples, and many holy servants of the hidden kingdom through the years.


I already answered your question about the Enoch (58,) you meaning verse (60,) concerning the 500 year meaning, in an earlier post on this thread.


You say all Christ deniers are LIARS. Yet, what is equally appalling is those who fight against his purpose. Christ is not denied in the Book of Enoch, but confirmed through different names, before he was that incarnate Jesus.

It is men such as yourself who seek to keep the Christian in fear of the truth of Cod's goodly plan for his children. Men such as you seek to jealously hid the truth of the plan, purpose and words of God to keep mankind in their staled darkness of his perfect mission of conquest toward our better understanding. Men such as you seek to hinder the Christian from doing greater exploits. Because you don't understand its deeper meaning, and in envy desire all others to remain in their ignorance of the hidden mysteries the Word promises someday we would behold. God's Word must be magnified, that all may understand its meanings. You are but one of many hindrances, and have always spoken against these books of Enoch, but like those many hindrances, you also shall be of no force in the finality of his purpose!

Go post your secret, and other nonsense somewhere on your own threads. I am sure there are many who will find your kind of amusement and accusations, a warm dark comfortable place to remain stagnate in their work/walk/understanding in Christ. Rest there up against a rotten tree against that dirty/stagnant pond; fetching out the same men/women of your same company, with your net!

The Word has promised us in (Isa.48KJV) that in these latter days a new work/walk/understanding will spring forth, and then shall we behold a new vision in Christ to usher us into his kingdom of light, and then to take us out of our stagnant pathetic examples/excuses of a Christ-like walk, to do great exploits!





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