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Book Of Enoch, Applied To These Latter Days.

 
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Many claims, and even worse, many accusations against the truth, has been pointed out against the Book of Enoch. Most claim its original author was not that of that antediluvian period, but the sayings, thoughts, quotes and words were spoken of instead by some pseudo force/form/individual/s. Having no commonality with the original writings of that antediluvian Enoch!

Nevertheless, all who would believe that the Biblical Scriptures are truly inspired and thus given in such manner by God, would venture forth very gingerly, before making accusations against the Word/Scriptures, or those true recognized servants of God.

[2Tim.3:16KJV] All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instructions in righteousness.


[2Peter.1:20KJV] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[2peter.1:21KJV] For the prophecy came not of old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.


So therefore, Jude a Disciple of Christ, and Jesus' half brother after the flesh. Quoting from the book of Enoch, in the book of Jude, in the New Testament, in the verbatim of that Enoch; Jude is claiming that the sayings in/of the Enoch book are of that individual Enoch. Therefore, by not believing this statement in the Scriptures spoken by the words of Jude. We are either believing Jude is lying, the Scriptures are lying, or the translation is flawed. Therefore, making the Word of God untrue and not ALL Scripture, is given by his inspiration!

However, seeing that the God of all creation is infallible in every manner, so also would be his promises and his Word. Therefore, the words spoken by Jude are set and are true! Otherwise, we either accuse Jude of lying, or speaking after the manner of his own will (unscriptual of course according to [2Peter.1:21].) Therefore, Jude claims these words were declared by that patriarch of old, even that Enoch.

[Jude.1:14KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[Jude.1:15KJV] To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Now regardless of what is known about prophecy or any word inspired thru God toward mankind's understanding. We know God would never have his true servants quote an inspired work from any evil source. Neither a portion thereof.

Therefore, if one portion of a work is worthy of a biblical quotation. Then all of its context must therefore be of that same source of its writings/inspiration! So Scripture would not use a source other than that inspired by God to quote in the warning of the cautions of coming events. In other-words God would never use an evil, or even a secular work/words of another to aid him in a warning toward mankind.

God instead would draw from his own inspirational words to be quoted in/from his other inspirational servants! Thus, this is exactly what he did. Jude quoting Enoch verifying both works are/were after the inspiration of the Holy Spirit! Jude did not say: even as some 'pseudo individuals' have said. No Jude makes it clear he is quoting Enoch the seventh from Adam, and the quotation is from that book of Enoch.

If these things therefore be true, we should then look into the more serious aspects of what Enoch was and is warning us about and the visions he beholds that lines up exactly with many portions of the book of Revelation.

Enoch even prophesied and claimed these words and his writings was not for his generation, but another generation to come afar off. A last generation, and that the words of his meanings would be latent until the time of its near fulfillment of its delineation.

Therefore, was such the occurrence of that promise. For a major undertaking commenced into the study of the Book/s of Enoch when large portions were discovered of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948. Although there was a discovery of the book of Enoch I believe by another. This was after it was thought to no longer be in existence. This discovery I believe was in the latter part of the 18th century. However, There was no real study/interpretation of the book thereafter at that time. There was later on a scholar/interpreter who lived during the late 19th to early 20th century who was famous for his interpretation of the Book of Enoch. As I said, there was and is not a real true interpretation of the meaning of the book of Enoch in my opinion, as far as I can see!

As far as I am concerned and in my opinion. None of the interpretations of the Book of Enoch since its discovery, regardless of their recognition by scholarly authorities, has very little to convey to us. That its interpretation leads away from any truth toward its meaning or purpose concerning Enoch's desire to reveal to this generation and its meaning! That what the Book of Enoch sought to reveal, has nothing to reveal when it comes to its poor interpretation of its true meaning, and total lack of discerning its revelations of strange things to come forth in the days ahead.! I hope to share some of these beliefs of mine and how I believe these inspired words of Enoch might better be understood, later on in this thread.

I hope to also get some inspiring input on this thread from others concerning this motif, and others subjects of interest also.
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Amen, brother. I have been telling people for a long time that the books of Enoch, there are five total, are books for the final generation at the time of the end. Enoch explains who the fallen one's where and what they did. This is corroborated in Genesis 6, Enoch just goes into much greater detail.

I encourage and highly recommend every Christian read these books if you want to know the truth of matters. Its important!

"Just as in the days of Noah, so will the days of the coming of the Son of Man be"
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Good statement, and true my friend.
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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Exactly!
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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Exactly!
 Quoting: S-wordlike


Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

"heaven" = space

"circuit" = ORBIT

"covered in clouds" = PLANET


Psalm 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

"Heaven" = space
"circuit" = ORBIT
"HEAT" = PLANET



Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

no more sun light from "GOD" himself

new planetary light source

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

no sun, new planetary light source

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

NO MORE SUN
NEW PLANETARY LIGHT SOURCE


and finally
Einsteins theory of relativity in the bible

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


If god created all things including time/space
then time would have no meaning to Him.

NOT according to that scripture

His TIME is BIGGER than ours.

WHY?

Because so is his ORBIT.


Every planet in our solar system is named after what?
a GOD.

It was COMMON for these people back then, to see a large incoming planet...and yell and scream "GOD IS ANGRY"
"GOD IS WRATHFUL"
"GOD HAS RISEN TO SHAKE THE EARTH".


wham
boom
your turn
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the bible, the ancient sumerian tables (epic of creation)
the lost gospels...


are all about the cyclical return of a planet which is inhabited right through our solar system.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
 Quoting: NewtonsOwn

Exactly!
 Quoting: S-wordlike


Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

"heaven" = space

"circuit" = ORBIT

"covered in clouds" = PLANET


Psalm 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

"Heaven" = space
"circuit" = ORBIT
"HEAT" = PLANET



Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

no more sun light from "GOD" himself

new planetary light source

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

no sun, new planetary light source

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

NO MORE SUN
NEW PLANETARY LIGHT SOURCE


and finally
Einsteins theory of relativity in the bible

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


If god created all things including time/space
then time would have no meaning to Him.

NOT according to that scripture

His TIME is BIGGER than ours.

WHY?

Because so is his ORBIT.


Every planet in our solar system is named after what?
a GOD.

It was COMMON for these people back then, to see a large incoming planet...and yell and scream "GOD IS ANGRY"
"GOD IS WRATHFUL"
"GOD HAS RISEN TO SHAKE THE EARTH".


wham
boom
your turn
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Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


all these scriptures

is this... [link to images.search.yahoo.com (secure)]
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Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


all these scriptures

is this... [link to images.search.yahoo.com (secure)]
[link to images.search.yahoo.com (secure)]
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how?


Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage;

Earth REMOVED

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.


their planet will MOVE ours into its very same orbital pattern


therefore increasing our time/space

(Einsteins theory of relativity again)

If your increase our SPACE (orbit)
you increase our time (lifespan)
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Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


all these scriptures

is this... [link to images.search.yahoo.com (secure)]
[link to images.search.yahoo.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67523651


how?


Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage;

Earth REMOVED

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.


their planet will MOVE ours into its very same orbital pattern


therefore increasing our time/space

(Einsteins theory of relativity again)

If your increase our SPACE (orbit)
you increase our time (lifespan)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67523651


earth will be moved

earth will have a new light source

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

NO MORE SUN
NEW PLANETARY LIGHT SOURCE

and our sun will be gone


Earth will be MOVED by another planetary body


they very same sumerian winged orb depicted in the stone markings

and in the book of enoch.


its all the same object

a PLANET
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I have a copy and read part of it. I don't have a problem thinking most of it is true and certainly Jude quotes it.

Honestly, I think you are making too big a deal out of it though. We have 66 other bible books packed full of divine revelation that applies to daily life as well as prophecies. Nobody is going to miss out or suffer w/o the book of Enoch in any significant way.

I do think it is helpful in clarifying what Genesis means when it speaks of the sons of god marrying the daughters of men- too many folks try to worm their way out of fallen angels mating with women, but it happened. It may happen again....but big deal, look at what is going on with demon possession. Does it really matter what someone's biology is if a person can be fully ensnared by darkness even with two human parents?

Anyway, I would get more excited about Jesus. Keep Him first.
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Glad to see you believe that most of the Book of Enoch is true. That I can assure you is half the battle. Most believers have been told for years that it's either a work of fiction or evil.

As far as being less enthusiastic about Jesus, because I study the Book of Enoch. Is like telling someone not to get excited about a cool drink or an ice cream on a hot day; because somehow it might lessen our excitement for Jesus! Under your analysis you would have told Jesus not to go to the Canaan Wedding, because he should be more exciting about his Father (God.) Yet, if Jesus' had not ventured forth in seeking out other avenues, we may still be waiting for his first miracle. Jesus' doesn't want us us siting around being exciting about him. He wants us to be able to get excited about the new things he can accomplish through our works/studies!

Not to belittle you in your statement, God knows I need allies on this thread..lol. Yet, I don't believe you see the whole purpose of this platform. Nevertheless, thank you for your input, (I hope,) friend.
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I will be describing the different passages from the "Ethiopian version" of the Book of Enoch. I believe its writings best describe the higher course of its true meaning of its explanations.

Please bear with me, for I will seek to explain away much of what has always been assumed and taught by men whose concepts was sought out through soul/intellectual teachings; rather than spiritual comprehension/discernment of the Word of God. This will be the necessary means of interpreting the meaning of the Word in its intended precepts. So To establish a solid direction we must find the flow of the correct course.

We must base all reasoning's against the Word, and things contradicting the Word, cannot hold upon its own assumptions of any hearsay. Hearsay, is one of the many instruments utilized by the enemy. So unless, it is established with the Word of God, it cannot be correct toward the more comprehensible meaning. And if some meaning is not correct in one portion, it tends to mislead in other passages.

At some point Enoch is taken up to a heavenly realm, according to the Book of 1Enoch, and he can scarcely describe what he is seeing. Knowing that at that point of time nothing had ever been revealed about that realm to mankind, for no man/woman had ever beheld it.

Therefore, it seems a spectacular individual is shown to Enoch whose dwelling place was beneath the wings of one called, the Lord of spirits.

[1Enoch39:6a] And in that place mine eyes say the Elect One of righteousness, and of faith.

Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believe. That the Elect One is always speaking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really! I know the story (hearsay) told about the monk/translator of the Scriptures; who while coping the set of Scriptures from one of the books of the four Gospels. That the saying goes, that, that translator/monk eliminated the words Elect One when describing Jesus at the time of being Baptized by John the Baptist. The reason? Because, it was not so stated that way in the other three Gospels, and he didn't want the Word/Scripture to appear unbalanced with the rest of the Gospels of the three remaining ones, in its description of who Jesus was!

First of all this is the most ridiculous story I have ever read. These men of God whose loyal service was dedicated to the exact wording in their lifetime service of the exact translation of the words in the entire Scriptures. These translations from one printing to another were checked and check, and rechecked by many to entail complete and total accuracy of the Words copied down. It was not just one translator of the words copied who partook of these actions and responsibilities alone. This would have to have been a conspiracy against something of a major importance in the Word. In cooperation with scores, if not hundreds of others in the knowledge of this blatant violation that all these scribes had dedicated their lives and trust in!

Then it also goes without saying that if all Scripture is given to us by the inspiration of God [2Tim.3:16KJV,] I am sure no one man or a group of men, could hinder God's intentional meaning of His Word! To further confirm from the Word, that the Elect One is not referring to Jesus Christ. We can clearly see that in [Isa.42:1KJV] that elect one, that servant is not the Father speaking about Jesus, but Jesus is speaking about his servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking about his servant, the elect one, in these passages. Because it states throughout the passages who it is that is declaring these words through Isaiah's prophecy about this servant, this elect one. Thus, in these following passages it is made clear who is declaring this personage called the elect servant:

[Isa,41:21KJV] the King of Jacob.
[Isa.43:3] the Holy one of Israel, thy Savior.
[Isa.43:14KJV] the Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
[Isa.43:15KJV] I am the Lord your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
[Isa.44:24KJV] Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb. I am the Lord that makes all things: that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself.

Now all these different passages/verses speak clearly as of the one speaking, is the Redeemer,
(only Jesus has that title (redeemer), for he alone paid the price.) he claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself. This is the one called the word who came in the flesh. Even the word was in the beginning and he created all things (only Jesus) (John1:1-4KJV.] The King of Jacob/Israel/Jews, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father, but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his elect one!

YET TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE, IN [ISA.49:2kjv.] In the shadow of his hand has he hid me. This one hides this man in the shadow of his hand. Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hide someone. Because, he consist of both spirit and flesh after his resurrection and these passages are speaking of a distant future, an end time happening! Now we know according to the Word, the Father of lights and the Holy Spirit cannot cast a shadow for they of the Trinity are Spirits. Thus, as it declares in [James,1:17KJV] Every good and perfect gift cometh down from the Father of lights; with whom there is no SHADOW of turning.

So according to Scripture there is an elect, hidden, servant, hidden, but it isn't Jesus, who is hidden, but Jesus is the one who is doing the hiding. How can we hope to see something hidden by Jesus? Unless, he allows the revealing of those things. And what has hid them from us? Men of tradition and false understanding far from the truth of the Word!

Finally, concerning this subject and I am sorry to explain in such detail, but it is important to clear this misunderstanding up. Because, remaining in this belief about an Elect One, would confuse the whole subject matter ahead!

Jesus, never could be considered of the elect. For as Enoch will later reveal in these passages of his book, the elect were once of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would be the Elect One; Jesus never had a sinful nature, neither was born into this world with one. For unlike all others, all mankind was blood-born subjects to their father after sin, Satan; but Jesus was born after the Spirit, his Father after righteousness, GOD.

So that Elect One, will also be referred to as the Hidden One, the Righteous One, and many other flattering names and titles. For as it declares about that one in [Isa.45:4KJV,] God has surnamed him. Surname in the original linguistics means "given many flatting names and titles. So in both the biblical and the Enoch passages it is thus revealed." Yet as all God's elect he comes forth from sin.

Now to add one more comment. Jesus could never be of the category of the Elect. For of all endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm. Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be so. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did, by his own choice, and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a KING..not someone Elected!

[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.
[Enoch.39:8] There I wished to dwell,
And my spirit longed for that dwelling-place.

And there heretofore hath been my PORTION.

Yet, Enoch did not understand that, that individual (Elect One) who he so desired to be, and the desire for his dwelling place beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits, was (in part, (PORTION,) himself, but in a future tense. Enoch in a different form, physically, but of the same spirit! Therefore, was the meaning in a PORTION (Enoch.39:8). For a portion of anything could be divided in half. Therefore, these scenes that Enoch was to witness, was not revealed for his own understanding. For how could he know himself in the form of a different body, he had never seen. For he was beholding that Enoch for the latter days to come, of his own spirit. However, it was meant for that other one, of that Enoch spirit, and that generation of those times; who would understand the Book's meaning and that generations unsealing.

The major factor to better understanding how to distinguish a deeper insight to the book of Enoch, will be shown next time. Then I hope to explain and show the meaning of the way the words distinguish the difference when it is speaking about the Father (GOD,) and when it is revealing the Son (Jesus.) When it is showing the meaning of that Enoch of then, and soon to come. Also, of the end days, and the generation of these times, and some very soon happenings.

I will end for now. Will return later in the week.
God Bless.
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See here PO, the KJV is based on the Masoretic texts that were not even fully finished until 1000 AD. The Septuagint escaped mass destruction in Ethiopia same as did the Enoch books. The people busy destroying these books were the same ones writing the Masoretic texts who also murdered jesus.

Here is Isaiah 42.1 first from the Septuagint, then from KJV.

42:1 Jacob is my servant, I will help him: Israel is my chosen, my soul has accepted him; I have put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles.

42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Here next is a link to a verse by verse comparison.

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Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
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If it wasn't for the fact that you are completely void of discernment of God's purpose, plan, and Word, I wouldn't even bother to contend with your unbalanced reasoning's. For I know your true objectives are meant to disrupt my threads. Nevertheless, we all have our own crosses to bear, at least you are a tiny cross...lol.

The verse you are seeking to quote is not in Enoch (58,) but it is in Enoch (60.) If you are going to try to make a point, at least quote the correct verse, so we do not have to spend the time searching out what cannot be found following your statements.

Again you don't understand the concept of the starting point of that verse's meaning. The verse speaks after this manner:

Accordingly we must consider the pre and post events/verses of that timeline of judgement, those 500 years, in these passages that are being considered. It is not speaking of the age of an individual, but the timeline of the connection of an action against that beginning of that certain violation. In more simple terms. If you convey the whole meaning of the depiction. Enoch was observing the times, event, and judgements, God had began to pass against that wicked generation of those days, and the violation that began 500 years earlier. Enoch was simple examining those past 500 years up-to his lifetime, through a vision, not that he was 500 years old.

It would be like you were shown a vision of the discovery of America when you were 40 years old. That wouldn't mean you were as old as the vision that was being shown you. It was just a means of encompassing the scope of the extended timeline in a vision shown during your lifetime. The only difference would be is that, that 500 year violation against God's will encompassed the portion of Enoch timeline (lifetime) also, but was not the full extent of it (his lifetime.) Keep in mind that much of Enoch's visitation consisted of visions of past, present, and future, events, but even though he witnessed such events during his lifetime, didn't mean he lived in all those periods and judgements and times!
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right down to the month and day huh(500 years 7th month 14th day)(the lifetime of enoch means just that the lifetime the time he is alive down to the month and day and it doesnt line up with the bible....sure...you want to believe it so bad it could say an angel name Phanuel was set to be the mediator between man and God and you beleive it.





It is chapter 58 not 60....look again as you are wrong but you should be getting used to that:

[link to book-ofenoch.com]



Chapter 58 [SECT. X.]

1. In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable, I saw that the heaven of heavens shook; that it shook violently;
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In the copy of my Book of Enoch, it is Chapter 60 you were quoting, not 58. Perhaps you should look-up Book of Enoch Ethiopian version, not the Greek.

Yea, it's possible that at that time the heavens shook in his vision. Not because he was five hundred at the time, but the event from Gods warning happened at the time.

Go try and figure out other books on your own thread. Try teaching the book of Sophia, I am sure you have plenty to say about that occultist work.

I really haven't the time or anything more to discuss with you. You are obvious nothing more than someone who enjoys spreading spam, as you have proved in my other thread. so I will be skipping answering your comments from now on. Your only purpose is for your own self advancement, Good luck with that..lol.
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No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.
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Exactly!
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Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

"heaven" = space

"circuit" = ORBIT

"covered in clouds" = PLANET


Psalm 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

"Heaven" = space
"circuit" = ORBIT
"HEAT" = PLANET



Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

no more sun light from "GOD" himself

new planetary light source

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

no sun, new planetary light source

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

NO MORE SUN
NEW PLANETARY LIGHT SOURCE


and finally
Einsteins theory of relativity in the bible

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


If god created all things including time/space
then time would have no meaning to Him.

NOT according to that scripture

His TIME is BIGGER than ours.

WHY?

Because so is his ORBIT.


Every planet in our solar system is named after what?
a GOD.

It was COMMON for these people back then, to see a large incoming planet...and yell and scream "GOD IS ANGRY"
"GOD IS WRATHFUL"
"GOD HAS RISEN TO SHAKE THE EARTH".


wham
boom
your turn
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Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.
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Circuit of Heaven.

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If it wasn't for the fact that you are completely void of discernment of God's purpose, plan, and Word, I wouldn't even bother to contend with your unbalanced reasoning's. For I know your true objectives are meant to disrupt my threads. Nevertheless, we all have our own crosses to bear, at least you are a tiny cross...lol.

The verse you are seeking to quote is not in Enoch (58,) but it is in Enoch (60.) If you are going to try to make a point, at least quote the correct verse, so we do not have to spend the time searching out what cannot be found following your statements.

Again you don't understand the concept of the starting point of that verse's meaning. The verse speaks after this manner:

Accordingly we must consider the pre and post events/verses of that timeline of judgement, those 500 years, in these passages that are being considered. It is not speaking of the age of an individual, but the timeline of the connection of an action against that beginning of that certain violation. In more simple terms. If you convey the whole meaning of the depiction. Enoch was observing the times, event, and judgements, God had began to pass against that wicked generation of those days, and the violation that began 500 years earlier. Enoch was simple examining those past 500 years up-to his lifetime, through a vision, not that he was 500 years old.

It would be like you were shown a vision of the discovery of America when you were 40 years old. That wouldn't mean you were as old as the vision that was being shown you. It was just a means of encompassing the scope of the extended timeline in a vision shown during your lifetime. The only difference would be is that, that 500 year violation against God's will encompassed the portion of Enoch timeline (lifetime) also, but was not the full extent of it (his lifetime.) Keep in mind that much of Enoch's visitation consisted of visions of past, present, and future, events, but even though he witnessed such events during his lifetime, didn't mean he lived in all those periods and judgements and times!
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right down to the month and day huh(500 years 7th month 14th day)(the lifetime of enoch means just that the lifetime the time he is alive down to the month and day and it doesnt line up with the bible....sure...you want to believe it so bad it could say an angel name Phanuel was set to be the mediator between man and God and you beleive it.





It is chapter 58 not 60....look again as you are wrong but you should be getting used to that:

[link to book-ofenoch.com]



Chapter 58 [SECT. X.]

1. In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable, I saw that the heaven of heavens shook; that it shook violently;
 Quoting: waterman



In the copy of my Book of Enoch, it is Chapter 60 you were quoting, not 58. Perhaps you should look-up Book of Enoch Ethiopian version, not the Greek.

Yea, it's possible that at that time the heavens shook in his vision. Not because he was five hundred at the time, but the event from Gods warning happened at the time.

Go try and figure out other books on your own thread. Try teaching the book of Sophia, I am sure you have plenty to say about that occultist work.

I really haven't the time or anything more to discuss with you. You are obvious nothing more than someone who enjoys spreading spam, as you have proved in my other thread. so I will be skipping answering your comments from now on. Your only purpose is for your own self advancement, Good luck with that..lol.
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My self advancement?....lets just skip to the end of your thread and tell everybody what your real agenda is...not to advance Jesus but to tell everybody you are the one the book of enoch is speaking of...."the hidden one"....lol....by the time you get them to the 3rd book of enoch you make yourself out to be a 2nd Yawey higher than Jesus. Draw them in slow they won't even realize it is happening...lol. You are going down a bad path I don't promote occultist books, never have but you are with the book of enoch.












Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings.


Titus 1:12

12 One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”9


looks like we have more lost scriptures paul quoted it so therefore being the bible is the word of God and Paul quotes Epimenides from the word of God it must be the word of God too....see how foolish that is..........Just because Jude quotes Enoch doesn't mean the book of enoch is God breathed it simply means Judah knew the quote of enoch(just as the person who wrote the book of enoch knew it) just as Paul knew the quote of Epimenides.




Epimenides of Knossos (Crete) was a semi-mythical 7th or 6th century BC Greek seer and philosopher-poet. While tending his father's sheep, he is said to have fallen asleep for fifty-seven years in a Cretan cave sacred to Zeus, after which he reportedly awoke with the gift of prophecy (Diogenes Laërtius i. 109–115). Plutarch writes that Epimenides purified Athens after the pollution brought by the Alcmeonidae, and that the seer's expertise in sacrifices and reform of funeral practices were of great help to Solon in his reform of the Athenian state. The only reward he would accept was a branch of the sacred olive, and a promise of perpetual friendship between Athens and Cnossus (Plutarch, Life of Solon, 12; Aristotle, Ath. Pol. 1).

Athenaeus also mentions him, in connection with the self-sacrifice of the erastes and eromenos pair of Cratinus and Aristodemus, who were believed to have given their lives in order to purify Athens. Even in antiquity there were those who held the story to be mere fiction (The Deipnosophists, XIII. 78–79). Diogenes Laërtius preserves a number of spurious letters between Epimenides and Solon in his Lives of the Philosophers. Epimenides was also said to have prophesied at Sparta on military matters.
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It is apparent, I must answer your post! I do not believe I have ever seen someone so jealous or envious of someone in my whole life, as you against me. And this is from someone who believes, yet, he stands against. Fighting against what was prophesied out of your own mouth!

First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! And of course you was the more important one, according to you..lol! Go play your role; it's no secret anymore as you claim it was, in your past thread.. I see you were really frightened when I began to speak on the Enoch subject. Came a little too close for your ego to bear..lol.

I have told you more than once that I don't believe I am one of the witnesses, and you know that I have told you that in truth. Although, I have received many confirmations by others beforehand thru the years of this possibility through visions and prophecies, I still put even less confidence in them then if I had never received any confirmation (like you) by any form.

I was not writing about the Enoch book to promote anything of myself, or as you claim "draw them in slow"..lol. I don't believe I have the ability to draw anybody to anywhere, especially those individuals who visit my threads; they seem far more erudite, and clever, than to be drawn into anything by me!

I will not speak on the other subject about the Lord's visitation of confirmation to me many years ago. You know this is true for another witness that was there testified to that fact, and you did believe her. Listen, it doesn't matter to me where the Lord places me. You are starving to be a witness, and you are not, and I would dread the position, it calls for much pain, and the loss of ones own children.

However, I know that I have had many confirmations, that are indeed strange. Yet, prophecy follows those witnesses, not the witnesses following prophecy. A good start is that you should be born on that blessed day in the time of the rebirth of the same year as Israel, to be a witness.

Now nothing can hold you back from being who you think you are..lol. All you have to do is convince everybody else you are one of those witnesses, and oh yes, convince God! As I said in a previous post, "good luck with that"..lol.

Your on your own now kid. You see I don't need the recognition as you do, so I can simply leave glp. You on the other-hand in the attempt to hurt me left yourself open to ridicule, as to being one of the witnesses. Nevertheless, I may be wrong and you might enjoy the ridicule...lol! Nevertheless, your ego will not allow you to leave glp, so enjoy some vicious attacks now. I suspect you will soon long for those happy days you were counter-attacked by me..lol. I do, and will miss, 444.

P.S. Oh by the way thanks for making up my copy of the Books of Enoch..lol.
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For crying out loud. The book of Enoch claims that Enoch wrote it. No he didn't. LIE.

The book would have had to have been on the Ark, thru the flood. It wasn't.

Enoch was 365 when he died....not 500.

But these don't matter AT ALL when the book of Enoch is FULL of outright contradictions of the inspired writings of the Bible.

You are using II Tim 3:16 out of context. The book of Enoch is NOT Scripture. How do I know that?

IT CONTRADICTS NOT ONLY THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT PARTS OF THE OLD AS WELL.

This is NOT rocket science, people. You are being led by your emotions and the idea that you can come up with something so world shaking, that there is some lost Gospel.

You don't get it, obviously. Salvation does NOT come from knowledge, people.

And anyone with simple skills in determining the validity of Scripture can instantly see that the book of Enoch is outright nonsense and has NO place among SCRIPTURE.

Just because Jude mentions Enoch means absolutely NOTHING about this so called book.

It has been vetted as a "fake" over and over, but you just can't seem to accept this fact. Not only is it FAKE, it contradicts SCRIPTURE.
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Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
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"Just because Jude quotes Enoch does not mean it validates the book of Enoch"

I only glimpsed through the book of Enoch and couldn't be bothered to delve any further into it. To me, it is clearly poetry written by a smart ass poet or wannabe prophet and not the inspired word of God!

Enoch's book and story arouses the curiosity of some that seek after forbidden knowledge, knowledge that was not meant for man to know. If it were truly the inspired word of God, why is it not in the Bible!? Because the Catholic church for some inexplicable reason left it out? If the book were a fact, or of any importance why then did Jesus never quote or make mention of it? Paul and Jude did make mention of Enoch as a biblical figure, but not as an author.
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For crying out loud. The book of Enoch claims that Enoch wrote it. No he didn't. LIE.

The book would have had to have been on the Ark, thru the flood. It wasn't.

Enoch was 365 when he died....not 500.

But these don't matter AT ALL when the book of Enoch is FULL of outright contradictions of the inspired writings of the Bible.

You are using II Tim 3:16 out of context. The book of Enoch is NOT Scripture. How do I know that?

IT CONTRADICTS NOT ONLY THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT PARTS OF THE OLD AS WELL.

This is NOT rocket science, people. You are being led by your emotions and the idea that you can come up with something so world shaking, that there is some lost Gospel.

You don't get it, obviously. Salvation does NOT come from knowledge, people.

And anyone with simple skills in determining the validity of Scripture can instantly see that the book of Enoch is outright nonsense and has NO place among SCRIPTURE.

Just because Jude mentions Enoch means absolutely NOTHING about this so called book.

It has been vetted as a "fake" over and over, but you just can't seem to accept this fact. Not only is it FAKE, it contradicts SCRIPTURE.
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hesright

Not only.., this implies that the Lord isn't sovereign and in total control.
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OP, please help me with the following as I am confused

as for Christ not being the Holy Elect One:

1 Peter chapter 2-

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


Is not Christ the chief cornerstone of the Church and has not He always been such?

your help would be greatly appreciated

there is a vast difference between the "headstone" and the "cornerstone" I believe; and that the "chief cornerstone would be the foundation of it all

what am I missing?

I thought the headstone was placed in the center of the upper arch wherefore it could take the strain from both sides in sturdying the structure of said arch

clearly I am confused on one level or many

thank you in advance

; )

ps: Christ is the King of the Zadok and the Zadok are the Elect

Christ being Melchizedek; Melchizedek which means "King of the Zadok" Melchi = King Zedek = Zadok

the Zadok priests of the Order of Melchizedek are those of Gods Election

other than that assistance please

hope you return unto us Sword and have not given up on us yet

"the head of the corner" wouldn't be the headstone I don't imagine, rather it refers to the chief cornerstone...

?

untangle me if able please

lol

as I read elsewhere in scripture something having to do with the "headstone" and thereafter things got a bit fuzzy

wish I could recall where I read such, perhaps I will find it in the interim

or perhaps you will know...
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy!

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THIS UP THERE ^
There are ancient texts that are authentic and not in the bible yet provide related history, proof, etc. I'm good w/Enoch, I believe that GOD can absolutely have our world in this order, even including 'flat-earth'. There must be, among the multitudes of angels, ones we do not know the names of. The big problem I have is the 'angel in charge of repentance'. Huge red flag.

Even the great deceiver lair tells half-truths.
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Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ
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That's not made clear in the New Testament either. ON the contrary it's quite obvious they're two separate individuals, and the Father alone is the Most High God.
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OP, please help me with the following as I am confused

as for Christ not being the Holy Elect One:

1 Peter chapter 2-

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


Is not Christ the chief cornerstone of the Church and has not He always been such?

your help would be greatly appreciated

there is a vast difference between the "headstone" and the "cornerstone" I believe; and that the "chief cornerstone would be the foundation of it all

what am I missing?

I thought the headstone was placed in the center of the upper arch wherefore it could take the strain from both sides in sturdying the structure of said arch

clearly I am confused on one level or many

thank you in advance

; )

ps: Christ is the King of the Zadok and the Zadok are the Elect

Christ being Melchizedek; Melchizedek which means "King of the Zadok" Melchi = King Zedek = Zadok

the Zadok priests of the Order of Melchizedek are those of Gods Election

other than that assistance please

hope you return unto us Sword and have not given up on us yet

"the head of the corner" wouldn't be the headstone I don't imagine, rather it refers to the chief cornerstone...

?

untangle me if able please

lol

as I read elsewhere in scripture something having to do with the "headstone" and thereafter things got a bit fuzzy

wish I could recall where I read such, perhaps I will find it in the interim

or perhaps you will know...
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I will answer you, even though I will be mocked for doing so, because I had no intention of coming back to these threads of mine. Nevertheless, the reason I desire to answer you is because you ask hard questions.

I perceive that you are not only a sincere person in your request for an answer, but that you ask profound questions, thus reflecting a speculum of an avid student of the Word. I admire those who take the Word serious. Those who do, I believe God shall preserve to see many wonders in the days ahead.


FIRST, there is no doubt that the CORNERSTONE represents Jesus Christ. However, when the word elect is utilized here it is the interpreter of the word that decides its preference. In the original Greek, the meaning of the word (eklektos,) chosen, is applicable first, toward its interpretation, Elect is the second choice. Apparently the interpreter chose elect over chosen. I don't believe scripture backs up what this one verse declares, representing Jesus as one of the elect, chosen yes! I believe the word chosen was meant to be utilized here. In all other biblical translations the word elect is not found in this verse [1pet.2:6.]

Concerning the head-stone. You are correct. The head-stone and the chief cornerstone are different aspects of different precepts. One represents Jesus Christ, the other the Church. You seen this word head-stone) in (Zech.4:7) when Zerubbabel brings forth the body of Christ, the headstone, the true Church, in the end days.

The Melchizedek question is a mystery in its own, and what position is held in that name, truly means king, Even the king of Salem as I recall from past studies. Yet, whether a king must represent what he rules is the conundrum. I know of many kings, who represent a land, even a position, but not always the same title as his subjects. There may be many priest, nobles, lords, carpenters, and workers of different crafts in his kingdom. Yet, what does this make the king's title. If he solely, holds the title over the elect, then who rules those of the kingdom who fell short of this noble title, yet, are still subjects to the king.

Frankly, I have never read in Scripture that Jesus' title was king of the elect! I have read he is called KING of KINGS. Now I believe that is an all exclusive title for him toward his subjects. For the Word promises us that one day we his children shall be called, to be kings (and priest!) So we have that promise. Whether all throughout the ages of time all reached the status of elect, that belonged to Jesus, I doubt it. Most are called, only a few are of the chosen! Nevertheless, in God's grace, we will all obtain to the kingship position.
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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Told ya you couldn't leave glp.....but you did make it 24 hours......You have 3 threads you made.....1 the rider on the white horse....2 the two witnesses...3 the hidden one book of enoch.......see the theme of all your threads.....self promotion.......ill take an apology if you are handing them out.....lol....perhaps your ego won't let you
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There is nothing self promoting in my threads. Only your fear that it might reveal truths you cannot see..lol.

I do apologies however, I did say I would be leaving glp. I didn't live up to my word on that one, and I do acknowledge that regretfully. I am also sorry for you, as well. For you never did cease your spam on my threads, as you also promised. I forgive you though. Besides after reading some of your post they are only shallow versions of the same nonsense you have always been claiming. Based on the depictions of the story of Jacob/Israel, who fulfilled his purposed plan in God's creation of the Nation Israel. Keep telling it though it's fun watching you run around in pointless circles wasting away your time in a form of armature story telling..lol.
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In the copy of my Book of Enoch, it is Chapter 60 you were quoting, not 58. Perhaps you should look-up Book of Enoch Ethiopian version, not the Greek.

Yea, it's possible that at that time the heavens shook in his vision. Not because he was five hundred at the time, but the event from Gods warning happened at the time.

Go try and figure out other books on your own thread. Try teaching the book of Sophia, I am sure you have plenty to say about that occultist work.

I really haven't the time or anything more to discuss with you. You are obvious nothing more than someone who enjoys spreading spam, as you have proved in my other thread. so I will be skipping answering your comments from now on. Your only purpose is for your own self advancement, Good luck with that..lol.
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My self advancement?....lets just skip to the end of your thread and tell everybody what your real agenda is...not to advance Jesus but to tell everybody you are the one the book of enoch is speaking of...."the hidden one"....lol....by the time you get them to the 3rd book of enoch you make yourself out to be a 2nd Yawey higher than Jesus. Draw them in slow they won't even realize it is happening...lol. You are going down a bad path I don't promote occultist books, never have but you are with the book of enoch.












Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings.


Titus 1:12

12 One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”9


looks like we have more lost scriptures paul quoted it so therefore being the bible is the word of God and Paul quotes Epimenides from the word of God it must be the word of God too....see how foolish that is..........Just because Jude quotes Enoch doesn't mean the book of enoch is God breathed it simply means Judah knew the quote of enoch(just as the person who wrote the book of enoch knew it) just as Paul knew the quote of Epimenides.




Epimenides of Knossos (Crete) was a semi-mythical 7th or 6th century BC Greek seer and philosopher-poet. While tending his father's sheep, he is said to have fallen asleep for fifty-seven years in a Cretan cave sacred to Zeus, after which he reportedly awoke with the gift of prophecy (Diogenes Laërtius i. 109–115). Plutarch writes that Epimenides purified Athens after the pollution brought by the Alcmeonidae, and that the seer's expertise in sacrifices and reform of funeral practices were of great help to Solon in his reform of the Athenian state. The only reward he would accept was a branch of the sacred olive, and a promise of perpetual friendship between Athens and Cnossus (Plutarch, Life of Solon, 12; Aristotle, Ath. Pol. 1).

Athenaeus also mentions him, in connection with the self-sacrifice of the erastes and eromenos pair of Cratinus and Aristodemus, who were believed to have given their lives in order to purify Athens. Even in antiquity there were those who held the story to be mere fiction (The Deipnosophists, XIII. 78–79). Diogenes Laërtius preserves a number of spurious letters between Epimenides and Solon in his Lives of the Philosophers. Epimenides was also said to have prophesied at Sparta on military matters.
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It is apparent, I must answer your post! I do not believe I have ever seen someone so jealous or envious of someone in my whole life, as you against me. And this is from someone who believes, yet, he stands against. Fighting against what was prophesied out of your own mouth!

First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! And of course you was the more important one, according to you..lol! Go play your role; it's no secret anymore as you claim it was, in your past thread.. I see you were really frightened when I began to speak on the Enoch subject. Came a little too close for your ego to bear..lol.

I have told you more than once that I don't believe I am one of the witnesses, and you know that I have told you that in truth. Although, I have received many confirmations by others beforehand thru the years of this possibility through visions and prophecies, I still put even less confidence in them then if I had never received any confirmation (like you) by any form.

I was not writing about the Enoch book to promote anything of myself, or as you claim "draw them in slow"..lol. I don't believe I have the ability to draw anybody to anywhere, especially those individuals who visit my threads; they seem far more erudite, and clever, than to be drawn into anything by me!

I will not speak on the other subject about the Lord's visitation of confirmation to me many years ago. You know this is true for another witness that was there testified to that fact, and you did believe her. Listen, it doesn't matter to me where the Lord places me. You are starving to be a witness, and you are not, and I would dread the position, it calls for much pain, and the loss of ones own children.

However, I know that I have had many confirmations, that are indeed strange. Yet, prophecy follows those witnesses, not the witnesses following prophecy. A good start is that you should be born on that blessed day in the time of the rebirth of the same year as Israel, to be a witness.

Now nothing can hold you back from being who you think you are..lol. All you have to do is convince everybody else you are one of those witnesses, and oh yes, convince God! As I said in a previous post, "good luck with that"..lol.

Your on your own now kid. You see I don't need the recognition as you do, so I can simply leave glp. You on the other-hand in the attempt to hurt me left yourself open to ridicule, as to being one of the witnesses. Nevertheless, I may be wrong and you might enjoy the ridicule...lol! Nevertheless, your ego will not allow you to leave glp, so enjoy some vicious attacks now. I suspect you will soon long for those happy days you were counter-attacked by me..lol. I do, and will miss, 444.

P.S. Oh by the way thanks for making up my copy of the Books of Enoch..lol.
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Perhaps you crave more recognition then you know.....lol

I like how you say you don't believe you are one of the two witnesses then give half a dozen reasons why you should be one of the two witnesses and all of your threads are about the witness.......for in abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.....lol
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I am not one of the witnesses. How much plainer can I get. I am sorry if you're not convinced, but that is the way it is! Stop worrying about someone taking the position you have convinced yourself is yours. I am sure your family is very excited and proud about your claims, I know you're very proud...lol.

There is a very simple solution to not liking my threads. Stop going there. Of course you can't do that, you might not learn anything under your own teachings..lol.
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First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:
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They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.
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Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
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It is apparent, I must answer your post! I do not believe I have ever seen someone so jealous or envious of someone in my whole life, as you against me. And this is from someone who believes, yet, he stands against. Fighting against what was prophesied out of your own mouth!

First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! And of course you was the more important one, according to you..lol! Go play your role; it's no secret anymore as you claim it was, in your past thread.. I see you were really frightened when I began to speak on the Enoch subject. Came a little too close for your ego to bear..lol.

I have told you more than once that I don't believe I am one of the witnesses, and you know that I have told you that in truth. Although, I have received many confirmations by others beforehand thru the years of this possibility through visions and prophecies, I still put even less confidence in them then if I had never received any confirmation (like you) by any form.

I was not writing about the Enoch book to promote anything of myself, or as you claim "draw them in slow"..lol. I don't believe I have the ability to draw anybody to anywhere, especially those individuals who visit my threads; they seem far more erudite, and clever, than to be drawn into anything by me!

I will not speak on the other subject about the Lord's visitation of confirmation to me many years ago. You know this is true for another witness that was there testified to that fact, and you did believe her. Listen, it doesn't matter to me where the Lord places me. You are starving to be a witness, and you are not, and I would dread the position, it calls for much pain, and the loss of ones own children.

However, I know that I have had many confirmations, that are indeed strange. Yet, prophecy follows those witnesses, not the witnesses following prophecy. A good start is that you should be born on that blessed day in the time of the rebirth of the same year as Israel, to be a witness.

Now nothing can hold you back from being who you think you are..lol. All you have to do is convince everybody else you are one of those witnesses, and oh yes, convince God! As I said in a previous post, "good luck with that"..lol.

Your on your own now kid. You see I don't need the recognition as you do, so I can simply leave glp. You on the other-hand in the attempt to hurt me left yourself open to ridicule, as to being one of the witnesses. Nevertheless, I may be wrong and you might enjoy the ridicule...lol! Nevertheless, your ego will not allow you to leave glp, so enjoy some vicious attacks now. I suspect you will soon long for those happy days you were counter-attacked by me..lol. I do, and will miss, 444.

P.S. Oh by the way thanks for making up my copy of the Books of Enoch..lol.
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Perhaps you crave more recognition then you know.....lol

I like how you say you don't believe you are one of the two witnesses then give half a dozen reasons why you should be one of the two witnesses and all of your threads are about the witness.......for in abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.....lol
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I am not one of the witnesses. How much plainer can I get. I am sorry if you're not convinced, but that is the way it is! Stop worrying about someone taking the position you have convinced yourself is yours. I am sure your family is very excited and proud about your claims, I know you're very proud...lol.

There is a very simple solution to not liking my threads. Stop going there. Of course you can't do that, you might not learn anything under your own teachings..lol.
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You believe Jacob/Israel is one of the two witnesses....I have an email when I claimed to be Jacob you stated...."you're not Jacob I am"....if you want me to send it to ya friend...you think you are one of the two ...only thing is you think you are both combined...you can't see the division of the Jacob blessing(birthright/Joseph) and the Israel blessing(prince/Judah)...but you will in time!

1 chronichles 5:2

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For Judah prevailed above his brethren and was their prince, but the birthright was Joseph's:)

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any recall of this email you sent me sure don't sound like someone who dont think they are the other witness running around with Darren/Elijah to me:


Stop living in the past...there is no Judah, Joseph, scenario coming, it is only the two witnesses, who will be brought forth by God, not thru conflict. There is no conflict in their paths, just some story you seek to conjure up from an experience that once happened. Judah is never blinded, for he now represents the tribe from which the Lord of glory ascended. Hey, hate to tell you this.. but, you are not higher than anybody, but your own imagination...lol. You will really like this Elijah guy, and if I am around this area, and if you are..and he begins/and will start his ministry...I'll point him out to you. As I recalled he told me his name was Darren, but not for sure, but close. Not a bad combination huh..Danny/Darren...sounds like God's operational performance!
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I would appreciate it if you would not expose my private emails to the general public, or my name. Yet, I know you're too crass to consider this! Whenever you begin losing any conflict you will not stop at any means of showing your true nature of a real jerk, You have no class. Would you like me to start playing dirty and start telling what you were/are capable of in the nature of sins! Maybe I should pay a visit to some authorities and tell them just how big of a jerk you really are! No statute of limitations thus far in those criminal violations, or at least in the eyes of your own children being knowledgeable of such information!! Not much fun having the threat that your privacy is going to be violated and your private discourse exposed to others is it. Well even worse is when it is not a threat, but that it is simply done without any warning!

You want to play the jerk, I'll show you Jerk, and I would remain justified in my intentions! Get off this thread you jerk! I have had it with you! Anyone can send someones private emails of different claims to make someone appear to their enemies liking. Yet, the times I claim I was not that witness or a witness in my email you make no such claim!

Is your life so miserable you cannot stop violating my thread, and now my email. I recently had someone email me, offering to pay for my membership on glp. So that I could have you erased from my thread. This person even claimed to be a backer of much of what you believe, but didn't think your actions on this thread was justifiable. Nevertheless, I did not accept his kind offer. If you do not believe me ask your brother and he can read that message, sent thru my mailbox on glp, but I will never allow the person to be exposed to you!

Yet, I would never have believed you would have exposed my private email information I left in your trust. Again get off this thread, or you will face the circumstances of my threat!!!!! And then we will see how well you play a real martyr of your own circumstances!!
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:
King James Bible
They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.
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Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
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Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.




You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.


Joseph and Judah
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We are suppose to hate evil intent waterman. Do you not believe the holy angels doesn't have a hatred for their enemies of ill intentions toward the righteous! Now get off this thread!
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

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You are very close to the truth of matters....very close, indeed. Without giving away too much, I can reveal to you this...

The Zadok Priests, both male and female, are now coming into their own. They have donned their armor and are preparing for the battle they all sensed was coming. A battle these ones have fought before long ago, in the previous age.

They need little sleep now, as they are charged with watching and remaining vigilant while others sleep. The dark of night is a vulnerable time for most, so they are watched over and upheld in prayer.

The final fight is about to commence. It has already begun, in many ways, and most have no clue what is taking place around them. It will soon become apparent to all.

Soon, a side you must choose.

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and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy!

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THIS UP THERE ^
There are ancient texts that are authentic and not in the bible yet provide related history, proof, etc. I'm good w/Enoch, I believe that GOD can absolutely have our world in this order, even including 'flat-earth'. There must be, among the multitudes of angels, ones we do not know the names of. The big problem I have is the 'angel in charge of repentance'. Huge red flag.

Even the great deceiver lair tells half-truths.
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Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ
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Yes he did.
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