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Book Of Enoch, Applied To These Latter Days.

 
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Book of Enoch
[link to a-voice.org]
THE BOOK OF ENOCH : TRUTH OR HERESY? Part1
[link to endtimeprophecy.net]
The Book of Enoch Exposed
[link to jesus-is-savior.com]
Debunking the Book of Enoch
[link to web.archive.org (secure)]
The Book of Enoch, Not!
[link to www.atruechurch.info]
Stay Away from the Book Of Enoch
[link to kimolsen.wordpress.com (secure)]

so OP now that book of Enoch has been exposed are you still selling it or will you stop with this nonsense?
I'm sure you are well aware of the consequences of continual spread of heresy?
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[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.



Nibiru reference...


the sumerian winged orb
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Yup. And christians confuse true God with Annu, who was a man.
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Amen, brother. I have been telling people for a long time that the books of Enoch, there are five total, are books for the final generation at the time of the end. Enoch explains who the fallen one's where and what they did. This is corroborated in Genesis 6, Enoch just goes into much greater detail.

I encourage and highly recommend every Christian read these books if you want to know the truth of matters. Its important!

"Just as in the days of Noah, so will the days of the coming of the Son of Man be"
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I'm reading Enoch for the third time. The copy I have is thick with footnotes to other parts of the Bible that either enhance or corroberate what Enoch meant.

Good post, and I agree with you.
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Eh oh that one the s , in snail , well I'm outa there .

Explains that if you afterkick s after il , hmmm whatever
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Book of Enoch
[link to a-voice.org]
THE BOOK OF ENOCH : TRUTH OR HERESY? Part1
[link to endtimeprophecy.net]
The Book of Enoch Exposed
[link to jesus-is-savior.com]
Debunking the Book of Enoch
[link to web.archive.org (secure)]
The Book of Enoch, Not!
[link to www.atruechurch.info]
Stay Away from the Book Of Enoch
[link to kimolsen.wordpress.com (secure)]

so OP now that book of Enoch has been exposed are you still selling it or will you stop with this nonsense?
I'm sure you are well aware of the consequences of continual spread of heresy?
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My friend ignorance of God's purpose is the greatest of heresies. Many believed lies told by those in great authority in days past, and wrote many words against what they could not understand in those days. Nevertheless, We today know the earth actually revolves around the Sun. The Earth is round. Jesus was truly the messiah, those experts of the Word didn't recognize. Neither, did most of the people at the time recognize him, because they were taught wrong by the so called experts.

Wrong messages are easy to expose, for Satan is the god of this world. Nevertheless, if you are more observant, you will find, it takes the truth much longer to be exposed. For men are prideful, and they have no desire to be proved wrong in what they didn't yet recognize as a lie!
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Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
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Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.




You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.


Joseph and Judah
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We are suppose to hate evil intent waterman. Do you not believe the holy angels doesn't have a hatred for their enemies of ill intentions toward the righteous! Now get off this thread!
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You're my partner....I go where you go....lol but we do have to work on your self-centerness!
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You have no concept of what self-center means. I can tell you this. At my age it is pointless and not sought after. At your age it is one of a person's major goal, if they lack spiritual insight.

Listen, you are truly an agitating person, and you actually glory in it..sad. Your only objective by attacking my threads was to ruin my insight on scripture, right or wrong. That was your desire, because you feared another truth would come out that would not bear witness of your own fantasies, or as you call them, your scenarios.
listen, Todd, you can have this thread and my other ones also. You won't like them though ..you cannot ban anyone!

I have come to the conclusion you are irritating enough to cause me to begin to seek revenge, retaliation, an unforgiven spirit, and other unchristian attitudes. I will not allow myself to be pulled into this demonic trap. My eternal soul is laid in the balance, and I need no other weight in the negative portion of the scale in these late days.

As much as I enjoyed having a thread of my own, and having the opportunity to enjoy this avocation in my later years. It apparently was too much for you to bear! Therefore, you can have what you already stolen long ago; prattle away at your leisure. However, as much as you want to believe it and as much as your cohorts seek to convince you of a lie..you are not my partner. A partner is willing, and does assist one in times of need, and He does. You are not my partner, now or in the future. If you would have been, you would have been seen there in your Sister's vision. The Lord reveals truths, he is not a trickster, you should have been seen there!
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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yes OP, and thank you so very much for your time and trouble in responding, I so appreciate your having done so

I do believe Enoch to have been most beloved of the Lord, yes indeed, for he was the one who stood against and rebuked the fallen angels in that former period of time when they were running rampant with the daughters of women herein

and yes, the Lord took him from the earth, preserving him from the flesh death which is appointed unto all who are born of the flesh herein...

; )

you are so articulate and make things to be readily understood, and you have a keen mind and eye when it comes to Gods Word

I will re-read all you've written in my regard and I do thank you again for your kindness in my own

hope to see you on the other side my friend
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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I trust your innate judgment and knew that you would be able to help me more clearly understand, and indeed you have on all accounts

your common sense approach and clear understanding of Enoch regarding his perspective of that "lofty place" is most astute

makes perfect sense that he wouldn't have aspired toward a position held of the Son of God were he to have understood that to have been the case...

I hope you keep posting and disregard any adverse comments, any, and that includes all, as some of us truly look forward to more of what you have given of yourself to share...

thanks again OP

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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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Told ya you couldn't leave glp.....but you did make it 24 hours......You have 3 threads you made.....1 the rider on the white horse....2 the two witnesses...3 the hidden one book of enoch.......see the theme of all your threads.....self promotion.......ill take an apology if you are handing them out.....lol....perhaps your ego won't let you
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waterman do you realize that your desire to continually taunt the OP has cost the rest of us dearly when you have succeeded in driving him away?

I wish you could understand that you are not helping anyone by merely serving yourself in this regard

I pray you will think long and hard about such, as others have asked you kindly to restrain yourself in his regard and refrain from ruining his threads for the rest of us who also come here seeking a word from him...

I would ask you kindly to take pity on myself if no one else, and thank you in advance for your consideration of such...

come on waterman, be a sport?
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First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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lol

God bless you OP, your replies to watermans continual attitude with you are the only thing that have actually caused me to laugh out loud time and time again, in so very long now that I really can't recall when the last time was in truth...

I'm sorry it has to rile you as much as it does but your commentary has been a soul lifting refreshment unto my own thusly, and no doubt unto others with equal measure herein...

; )
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First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:

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They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.


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waterman, can you explain to me what it is you are referring with regard to the two witnesses, one who didn't think he could be saved and one who didn't think he could be damned?

is that scriptural?

I am confused and wish you to explain what it is you are referencing thusly, if able

you guys had me laughing so hard I almost choked to death mind you, and thank you for that, but I am seriously curious as to that which you refer?

is it scriptural or some inside joke that the audience is unfamilar with hence unaware?

if it's scriptural please enlighten me if you would/could or can...

I'm stumped on that note
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First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol
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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:
King James Bible
They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.
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Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
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I think I've got the gist of it now, watermans comments weren't actually scriptural, ok, thanks

lol

I am damn near addicted to your back n forth by this point however, yet I sought to waylay it for my own ends with regard to you OP having to leave your own threads on account of such, but then when I have the opportunity to partake of more of your back n forth banter it always lightens my heart considerably in the doing...

I'm deeply torn in this regard, and now feel bad about my own self and the part I've played herein...

my goodness, now we're all in a very big tangle at any rate

lol

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For such an important self acclaim as being one of the two witness. Yes, 14 years would be a short period on God's time schedule. And remember as I told you before going thru a drunken stupor for 14 years out of the pain of a jealous envy; is not the same as someones spiritual pit of seeking after God's purpose in ones life..lol. You make it sound like some great spiritual endeavor was involved. Being a drunk and collecting a bunch of beer cans during that time is not quite in the same category as a spiritual pit. A drunken pit, would have been a more accurate depiction...lol! Yet it is not surprising that you view it as such. You could never live up to the reality of something wondrous happening in the lives of others, only in yours, and if not, your imagination would make something up!
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I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:
King James Bible
They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.
 Quoting: waterman


Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
 Quoting: S-wordlike





Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.




You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.


:Joseph and Judah:
 Quoting: waterman





maybe the reason Judah needs to be aroused at first is because they've held the worldly position and claim of being "Gods chosen peoples" since the Northern Tribes were scattered, yet they will as a whole be awakened to the truth when it is those of the lost tribes (jacob) which bring the truth of the word regarding Christ (christians) to the fore during the hour of temptation herein...

whereas judah as a whole has held to the old testament and the Law rather than the new testament and the Messiah (perhaps)

sometimes Judah is a reference to the Judah side of the two witnesses scenario, whereas in others it refers to the tribe of Judah (the jewish peoples themselves) as a whole (I believe, could be wrong of course, only human here)

that distinction will make all the difference by way of interpretation however, I believe

then again, just a thought...

(ducks n covers for the raining blows)

lol

thoughts?
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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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You are very close to the truth of matters....very close, indeed. Without giving away too much, I can reveal to you this...

The Zadok Priests, both male and female, are now coming into their own. They have donned their armor and are preparing for the battle they all sensed was coming. A battle these ones have fought before long ago, in the previous age.

They need little sleep now, as they are charged with watching and remaining vigilant while others sleep. The dark of night is a vulnerable time for most, so they are watched over and upheld in prayer.

The final fight is about to commence. It has already begun, in many ways, and most have no clue what is taking place around them. It will soon become apparent to all.

Soon, a side you must choose.
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thank you kind Sir

I am well aware of the rebellion in the first earth Age and the parts played at that time by those now known as Gods Elect/Zadok

I have long since chosen the part I would play with reference to all such, but thank you for your kindness in my regard

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Book of Enoch
[link to a-voice.org]
THE BOOK OF ENOCH : TRUTH OR HERESY? Part1
[link to endtimeprophecy.net]
The Book of Enoch Exposed
[link to jesus-is-savior.com]
Debunking the Book of Enoch
[link to web.archive.org (secure)]
The Book of Enoch, Not!
[link to www.atruechurch.info]
Stay Away from the Book Of Enoch
[link to kimolsen.wordpress.com (secure)]

so OP now that book of Enoch has been exposed are you still selling it or will you stop with this nonsense?
I'm sure you are well aware of the consequences of continual spread of heresy?
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the OP isn't claiming its scripturally significant in some manner that could or ever would jeopardize the truth of His Word, however we all should know as do the OP and I that Enoch was well beloved of the Lord, and he fought the good fight without flinching when he served as one of Gods Election upon the earth within this current Age

what Enoch did at the time he walked the earth was most significant with specific regard to all that's soon to be coming to pass in our own regard herein, as we draw nigh unto the end of this Age...

to think otherwise is ludicrous in fact

do have a great day
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[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.



Nibiru reference...


the sumerian winged orb
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Yup. And christians confuse true God with Annu, who was a man.
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annunaki are fallen angels, as is lucifer, a cherebum indeed

enlil, enki, all fake names they made up to confuse flesh men herein

good angels/bad angels - more drivel and lies they've spread as they are all demonic in truth

and their lies have worked marvelously to date in every regard herein
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Why must you always attack and change the subject when I reveal the truth of your false claims. Of course, I am not perfect and never was. Yet, I didn't attack you for your sins, but your untruth of a statement! You don't want to start talking about past sins, as some of yours are even considered criminal violations, still subject to those criminal violations in a court of law!

By the way, your sister said she saw you at church the other day, but you turned your back on her as she approached. At least your wife acknowledged, and hugged her!
How soon you disregard those you now no longer have a need for their service. But you always had a tendency to do such, with those you used wrongly.


You make up half truths in your story telling, and never quote verses these stories are suppose to be from! Thus, you protect yourself from being challenged of there meanings you invent. The story about the two servant characters. Instead of spoken as some spiritual truth, you play on your own imagination in your own mind of its meaning..lol. Give the verses and I can give you another whole meaning of its intention. Be just as wrong as your interpretation and yet appear even more accurate then your silly claim..lol.

If you are inferring that (Psalms 69;12) is applicable toward you that is laughable. If it was applicable to you it would have read: I was the drunkard that sang the song..lol. Stop playing the Martyr, (Psalms 69) isn't about you. I am sure most people have suffered far worse in their spiritual request; than some guy who enjoyed drinking a few years, watching t.v. and playing pool..lol! Remember those good old days, you enjoyed everybody feeling sorry for you! You loved it then, and you still love it!

Keep writing those made-up stories, waterman, eventually you will be exposed for your many lies, and half truths. You see you cannot ban anyone who disagrees with you on this thread, as you did with so many on your own threads!
 Quoting: S-wordlike





Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.




You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.


:Joseph and Judah:
 Quoting: waterman


We are suppose to hate evil intent waterman. Do you not believe the holy angels doesn't have a hatred for their enemies of ill intentions toward the righteous! Now get off this thread!
 Quoting: S-wordlike


You're my partner....I go where you go....lol but we do have to work on your self-centerness!....You once told me "no true servant of God fears the opinions of others"...is this still true?
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but waterman, the OP has gone out of his way all along now in effort to deal with you judiciously, responding to your every comment, regardless of your tone; yet you taunt him like unto a small child without mercy, nor just cause...?

if you can't see it then at least understand, the rest of us can actually FEEL IT as well

way out here in the back forty...

perhaps you should alter your tone in some measure if you wish to be successful thusly, often things look different from the other side; where oh where is your empathy in his regard?

he's shown the patience of a saint to date in your own, quite frankly...

I kid you not

; )
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Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.




You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.


Joseph and Judah
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We are suppose to hate evil intent waterman. Do you not believe the holy angels doesn't have a hatred for their enemies of ill intentions toward the righteous! Now get off this thread!
 Quoting: S-wordlike


You're my partner....I go where you go....lol but we do have to work on your self-centerness!....You once told me "no true servant of God fears the opinions of others"...is this still true?
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but waterman, the OP has gone out of his way all along now in effort to deal with you judiciously, responding to your every comment, regardless of your tone; yet you taunt him like unto a small child without mercy, nor just cause...?

if you can't see it then at least understand, the rest of us can actually FEEL IT as well

way out here in the back forty...

perhaps you should alter your tone in some measure if you wish to be successful thusly, often things look different from the other side; where oh where is your empathy in his regard?

he's shown the patience of a saint to date in your own, quite frankly...

I kid you not

; )
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AC 63875393. I would hope you are young, and are of the male gender. Not that I am opposed to the female gender, but sadly they seem to be taken less serious in theological discussions. Why? I do not know, for I have found many of them very insightful when it comes to a greater insight of spiritual observations. Nonetheless, you seem young and very knowledgeable to me, regardless of your gender. However, as I stated, your gender in the eyes of many often seems to work for/or against one in this field of discussion.

Nevertheless, it now seems that after waterman has continually lambasted me for the last two threads I have posted, he might actually live-up to his word and stay away on his own; being you received no response from him with your questions. He is a good person, just a little confused in his direction of understanding the principle movements of God's actions. He wants to rearrange, what was never meant to be and to create dual individuals out of one, and tribes into individuals..lol. Not saying that tribes often do represent individuals, but not how he recognizes it according to the scriptural meaning.

Nevertheless, it's pointless to discuss it at this time. Waterman will become cognizant of this reality sooner than he thinks. Allow me to get back to some very strong points concerning what Enoch experienced in his writings.

First and far most, one of the major mysteries of understanding the book of Enoch is the classification of the characters therein; or as you might say, herein..lol! When the writings were republished over time, they were copied as they were displayed..thank God! Otherwise, the book would never have been understandable in its purposed concept.

If nothing is understood about the book of Enoch this one thing must be realized. The wording of its characters are exampled by its appearance within its lettering. Therefore, after this is made lucid, we can clearly see that this Son of man, Elect One, Chosen One, Hidden One, Righteous One, is never worshiped in the heavenly scene. Why? Because he doesn't represent the second member of the Godhead (Jesus Christ,) neither before or after the incarnation! Neither, in eternity past or forward.

So to get to this point first, that we might divulge a better understanding of this book:

Whenever the book of Enoch refers to the name of the "Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Highest, the Most High, the father. Whenever, it refers to the name of the "name of the Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Son, Jesus, who the Book of Enoch points out that only in that name, can we be saved, I will show that in later writings. Also, the one named the "Head of Days" is in reference to Jesus. As you will see later in the book, that, that "Son of man" accompanies, the "Head of Days" when he comes forth at his second coming; (thus, reveling two separate individuals, that Son of man, and that Head of Days.) I will also show that in later writings. Now He, Him, or His, capitalized means either God the father or God the Son, as it seems to apply within the verse. Only the capitalized pronouns, Him, His, He, represent God in theses passages! Whereas, the pronouns of he, him, his, not capitalized represents that individual known in these passages as the Elect One, Son of man, Chosen One, Righteous One, also known as the righteous scribe, the prince, and Enoch in other works. Whenever a passage refers to the Righteous One, Chosen One, Elect One, or Son of man capitalized; or son of man not capitalized in this book, it is referring to that hidden man, also called the chosen one, Elect One. Nevertheless, those called the "elect ones" in this book of Enoch, not capitalized..these don't represent that Elect One, but are his fellows in Christ!


So many of these names /titles in the Book of Enoch, are not after the manner of revealing Jesus, but his servant. Not only that he came, was taken away, will come again, and must increase in his calling into the eternal realm of God's purpose, as it will also be shown in this book.

Instead most of these titles/names in this book belongs to a human being elevated to such a height that even David ask if this future servant to come in the end days was even a human being, (is this a manner of a man,) [Sam7:19KJV.] Now, David could hardly believe this servant revealed to him who shall be the ruler of his house [2Sam.7:25kjv.] How can one be a ruler of his house...he does as he wills (Rev.11:6KJV] to smite the earth as often as they will. Yet, this application has even a higher meaning, that is what shocks David. This servant is also to have the future ruler-ship of The Lord's house! a type of caretaker like unto Moses, yet, not only the earthly house, but of the heavenly realm, and the whole of all its treasure forever, and not temporal! Thus, it will be that man who shall stand in the midst of the Congregation in those days, to sing a new song. All who shall hear its understanding will discern its meaning.

Now, interpreters claim these verses [2Sam7:11-29KJV] are speaking of the coming messiah, but no! For we know at this point in David's life, he had seen the coming Messiah in several visions and prophesied about his future coming. Therefore, if it had been the Messiah, David would have instantly recognized and acknowledges that it was him! Nevertheless, he had never seen this promised one shown him in this prophecy! So also, this is the same man seen by Enoch, sitting in his future position as that Elect One! Also, the same man was shown to Balaam whose eyes were opened, yet, in a trance. Speaking of this same man almost after the same order as David's awe, saying what has God wrought! [Num.23:23KJV.]

This individual is recognized by Balaam in the form of Jacob/Israel. Yes, the Nation Israel, also was under God's protection, but Balaam was speaking more concerning an individual, a man, a he in his prophetic passages!

Jacob/Israel, was one man, called after two names. Jacob caught the heel of his brother, and thus sealed a prophetic promise. The heel in definition terms represents the end of the body. Thus, the meaning is the promise that Jacob will once again come at the end of the body, of Christ (End days) as the prince of Israel. Because Jacob's other name (Israel) means Prince. So in the End days of the body of Christ, the prince will come forth. Jesus, is not the prince. Jesus is the King. A king must never be relegated to the position of a prince! Therefore, is the meaning of that coming forth of that prince to replace the wicked prince in the end days [Ezek.21:25-27KJV.] Nevertheless, this process of replacing the wicked prince doesn't come forth until the period of Jacob's (three years) time of trouble. That is why the word (overturn) is mentioned in [Ezek 21:27kjv,] three times, it represents those three years. Many biblical translations have removed these three overturns to just one, but the Word should never be paraphrased to ones preferred liking. It may eliminate a purposed meaning and insight of a time period! Thereafter, Jacob's Trouble, (furnace of affliction,(Isa.48:10KJV,) begins the Tribulation times!


I would like to make a point here to those of you thinking I am seeking to do something bad, against God and his Son. I only desire to make correct what I believe is a misinterpretation of the Book of Enoch. This is not to make less of Jesus and his purpose, but to show perhaps this book has another meaning God intended for us to comprehend!


We must however always remember there is no higher order in God's kingdom than Jesus. All other purposes, plans, forms of agreement, and even our eternal bliss, would have all been null and void without his love and self sacrifice for our only hope of salvation. What hopeless purpose for each and everyone of us if He had not come forth for our salvation. Only those who never find him in this life will experience what was meant for all mankind; if He would have decided not to intervene in the lives of humanity!

I am not seeking to belittle Jesus' position in the Book of Enoch. I am only seeking its proper interpretation of whether it was meant to reveal Jesus in these passages or was it God's purpose to manifest a servant of the Lord to begin with!

Were the men of those days cautious about the interpretation of Enoch. Were they fearful as being considered a heretic if they read anything other than Jesus in the meaning of these passages. Many books in Scripture are about other men than Jesus. This does not lessen God's plan to accomplish all things thru Jesus! However, any man (generically speaking) having some understanding of scripture can see that this book of Enoch could never be speaking of Jesus in those titles. The Lord of Glory far exceeds such titles, and we are even told in this book, that the Lord of Spirits had to teach that man wisdom. The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God/Jesus never needed to be taught anything. He already possessed all things including wisdom! So that many titled man, is not speaking about Jesus, in the book of Enoch.

This is all for now, but perhaps if you look at the Book of Enoch concerning the parables you may better understand its meaning, I will go into greater detailed the next time and reveal some mysterious meanings of these writings and the different time periods being discussed. Hope this was of some help. AC 63875393 You don't have to agree with me and my opinions. As a matter of fact it might be better if you didn't. That way you will probably receive less criticism..lol.
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We are suppose to hate evil intent waterman. Do you not believe the holy angels doesn't have a hatred for their enemies of ill intentions toward the righteous! Now get off this thread!
 Quoting: S-wordlike


You're my partner....I go where you go....lol but we do have to work on your self-centerness!....You once told me "no true servant of God fears the opinions of others"...is this still true?
 Quoting: waterman





but waterman, the OP has gone out of his way all along now in effort to deal with you judiciously, responding to your every comment, regardless of your tone; yet you taunt him like unto a small child without mercy, nor just cause...?

if you can't see it then at least understand, the rest of us can actually FEEL IT as well

way out here in the back forty...

perhaps you should alter your tone in some measure if you wish to be successful thusly, often things look different from the other side; where oh where is your empathy in his regard?

he's shown the patience of a saint to date in your own, quite frankly...

I kid you not

; )
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AC 63875393. I would hope you are young, and are of the male gender. Not that I am opposed to the female gender, but sadly they seem to be taken less serious in theological discussions. Why? I do not know, for I have found many of them very insightful when it comes to a greater insight of spiritual observations. Nonetheless, you seem young and very knowledgeable to me, regardless of your gender. However, as I stated, your gender in the eyes of many often seems to work for/or against one in this field of discussion.

Nevertheless, it now seems that after waterman has continually lambasted me for the last two threads I have posted, he might actually live-up to his word and stay away on his own; being you received no response from him with your questions. He is a good person, just a little confused in his direction of understanding the principle movements of God's actions. He wants to rearrange, what was never meant to be and to create dual individuals out of one, and tribes into individuals..lol. Not saying that tribes often do represent individuals, but not how he recognizes it according to the scriptural meaning.

Nevertheless, it's pointless to discuss it at this time. Waterman will become cognizant of this reality sooner than he thinks. Allow me to get back to some very strong points concerning what Enoch experienced in his writings.

First and far most, one of the major mysteries of understanding the book of Enoch is the classification of the characters therein; or as you might say, herein..lol! When the writings were republished over time, they were copied as they were displayed..thank God! Otherwise, the book would never have been understandable in its purposed concept.

If nothing is understood about the book of Enoch this one thing must be realized. The wording of its characters are exampled by its appearance within its lettering. Therefore, after this is made lucid, we can clearly see that this Son of man, Elect One, Chosen One, Hidden One, Righteous One, is never worshiped in the heavenly scene. Why? Because he doesn't represent the second member of the Godhead (Jesus Christ,) neither before or after the incarnation! Neither, in eternity past or forward.

So to get to this point first, that we might divulge a better understanding of this book:

Whenever the book of Enoch refers to the name of the "Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Highest, the Most High, the father. Whenever, it refers to the name of the "name of the Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Son, Jesus, who the Book of Enoch points out that only in that name, can we be saved, I will show that in later writings. Also, the one named the "Head of Days" is in reference to Jesus. As you will see later in the book, that, that "Son of man" accompanies, the "Head of Days" when he comes forth at his second coming; (thus, reveling two separate individuals, that Son of man, and that Head of Days.) I will also show that in later writings. Now He, Him, or His, capitalized means either God the father or God the Son, as it seems to apply within the verse. Only the capitalized pronouns, Him, His, He, represent God in theses passages! Whereas, the pronouns of he, him, his, not capitalized represents that individual known in these passages as the Elect One, Son of man, Chosen One, Righteous One, also known as the righteous scribe, the prince, and Enoch in other works. Whenever a passage refers to the Righteous One, Chosen One, Elect One, or Son of man capitalized; or son of man not capitalized in this book, it is referring to that hidden man, also called the chosen one, Elect One. Nevertheless, those called the "elect ones" in this book of Enoch, not capitalized..these don't represent that Elect One, but are his fellows in Christ!


So many of these names /titles in the Book of Enoch, are not after the manner of revealing Jesus, but his servant. Not only that he came, was taken away, will come again, and must increase in his calling into the eternal realm of God's purpose, as it will also be shown in this book.

Instead most of these titles/names in this book belongs to a human being elevated to such a height that even David ask if this future servant to come in the end days was even a human being, (is this a manner of a man,) [Sam7:19KJV.] Now, David could hardly believe this servant revealed to him who shall be the ruler of his house [2Sam.7:25kjv.] How can one be a ruler of his house...he does as he wills (Rev.11:6KJV] to smite the earth as often as they will. Yet, this application has even a higher meaning, that is what shocks David. This servant is also to have the future ruler-ship of The Lord's house! a type of caretaker like unto Moses, yet, not only the earthly house, but of the heavenly realm, and the whole of all its treasure forever, and not temporal! Thus, it will be that man who shall stand in the midst of the Congregation in those days, to sing a new song. All who shall hear its understanding will discern its meaning.

Now, interpreters claim these verses [2Sam7:11-29KJV] are speaking of the coming messiah, but no! For we know at this point in David's life, he had seen the coming Messiah in several visions and prophesied about his future coming. Therefore, if it had been the Messiah, David would have instantly recognized and acknowledges that it was him! Nevertheless, he had never seen this promised one shown him in this prophecy! So also, this is the same man seen by Enoch, sitting in his future position as that Elect One! Also, the same man was shown to Balaam whose eyes were opened, yet, in a trance. Speaking of this same man almost after the same order as David's awe, saying what has God wrought! [Num.23:23KJV.]

This individual is recognized by Balaam in the form of Jacob/Israel. Yes, the Nation Israel, also was under God's protection, but Balaam was speaking more concerning an individual, a man, a he in his prophetic passages!

Jacob/Israel, was one man, called after two names. Jacob caught the heel of his brother, and thus sealed a prophetic promise. The heel in definition terms represents the end of the body. Thus, the meaning is the promise that Jacob will once again come at the end of the body, of Christ (End days) as the prince of Israel. Because Jacob's other name (Israel) means Prince. So in the End days of the body of Christ, the prince will come forth. Jesus, is not the prince. Jesus is the King. A king must never be relegated to the position of a prince! Therefore, is the meaning of that coming forth of that prince to replace the wicked prince in the end days [Ezek.21:25-27KJV.] Nevertheless, this process of replacing the wicked prince doesn't come forth until the period of Jacob's (three years) time of trouble. That is why the word (overturn) is mentioned in [Ezek 21:27kjv,] three times, it represents those three years. Many biblical translations have removed these three overturns to just one, but the Word should never be paraphrased to ones preferred liking. It may eliminate a purposed meaning and insight of a time period! Thereafter, Jacob's Trouble, (furnace of affliction,(Isa.48:10KJV,) begins the Tribulation times!


I would like to make a point here to those of you thinking I am seeking to do something bad, against God and his Son. I only desire to make correct what I believe is a misinterpretation of the Book of Enoch. This is not to make less of Jesus and his purpose, but to show perhaps this book has another meaning God intended for us to comprehend!


We must however always remember there is no higher order in God's kingdom than Jesus. All other purposes, plans, forms of agreement, and even our eternal bliss, would have all been null and void without his love and self sacrifice for our only hope of salvation. What hopeless purpose for each and everyone of us if He had not come forth for our salvation. Only those who never find him in this life will experience what was meant for all mankind; if He would have decided not to intervene in the lives of humanity!

I am not seeking to belittle Jesus' position in the Book of Enoch. I am only seeking its proper interpretation of whether it was meant to reveal Jesus in these passages or was it God's purpose to manifest a servant of the Lord to begin with!

Were the men of those days cautious about the interpretation of Enoch. Were they fearful as being considered a heretic if they read anything other than Jesus in the meaning of these passages. Many books in Scripture are about other men than Jesus. This does not lessen God's plan to accomplish all things thru Jesus! However, any man (generically speaking) having some understanding of scripture can see that this book of Enoch could never be speaking of Jesus in those titles. The Lord of Glory far exceeds such titles, and we are even told in this book, that the Lord of Spirits had to teach that man wisdom. The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God/Jesus never needed to be taught anything. He already possessed all things including wisdom! So that many titled man, is not speaking about Jesus, in the book of Enoch.

This is all for now, but perhaps if you look at the Book of Enoch concerning the parables you may better understand its meaning, I will go into greater detailed the next time and reveal some mysterious meanings of these writings and the different time periods being discussed. Hope this was of some help. AC 63875393 You don't have to agree with me and my opinions. As a matter of fact it might be better if you didn't. That way you will probably receive less criticism..lol.
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thank you so much, however fear not in my regard, as I am well versed in the receipt of criticism to date, in fact I expect it oft as not

I find nothing adverse nor to be argued with in your wise interpretation of all that you've shared in this regard to date, and look forward to whatsoever else you may care to share in future tense

as for the part regarding Jacobs trouble, are you inferring that from the start of that time designated as being Jacobs trouble that three years will pass, or that it might according to the three overturns? and that at the end of that particular period of time or that particular timeframe of Jacobs trouble that the time of tribulation would thereafter commence?

just making sure I understood you to the best of my ability, and that I didn't read anything else or unnecessary into such, nor leave anything significant out

the firey furnace of affliction is synonomous with the hour of temptation and the time of tribulation to my way of thinking

correct me if I've gone far afield of any of your interpretations, I appreciate your ability to make clear those scriptures which I sometimes don't apply correctly, hence your insight and perception is priceless as well you should know

as for seeing any possible connection to anything you've shared which would in anywise diminish the Messiah nor His position and place, I find nothing which would even make suggestion of such in what you've posted to date

thank you so much for your help and I am very grateful you came back to your thread, it's a special one and I for one appreciate your having shared so much of yourself and your insights with us herein

as for waterman, yes, I can see that he is a good person, and that his heart is in the right place, hence I also believe as I believe you do as well, that all will work out for the greater good as God is ever and always in control

see ya next time OP, hope you are well, as I also hope waterman is well, and I also wish to thank him for his kind allowance in this regard

adieu'

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Phanuel/Uriel (literally, "the Fire God") is not only the angel that is set over repentance/penance, he is also the angel that is set over Tartaros, aka the fiery place of torture where the souls of the unrepentant wicked end up after death.

Some say he is one of the four aspects ("faces") of God, together with the better known Michael, Gabriel and Rafael.

Now you have to realize that to undergo penance for your sins is not a very pleasant thing. You are basically voluntarily undergoing torture during your lifetime, to escape an even greater torture after death. And "the Fire God" is set over both the torture of penance during your lifetime, as well as over the torture in Tartaros.

He wasnt very popular with the corrupt and unrepentant clergy of the Middle Ages, for obvious reasons. They actively cracked down on anything related to Phanuel/Uriel. Then again, worshipping someone who oversees your "chastening", might be a little masochistic.

The word Uriel (Fire-God) implies that he could somehow be related to another well known angelig being, known to muslims as Iblis, who according to the Quran was created from fire and refused to serve the humans out of pride.

He might be related to the christian "Satan", the accusator, the fiery "Dragon".
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You're my partner....I go where you go....lol but we do have to work on your self-centerness!....You once told me "no true servant of God fears the opinions of others"...is this still true?
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but waterman, the OP has gone out of his way all along now in effort to deal with you judiciously, responding to your every comment, regardless of your tone; yet you taunt him like unto a small child without mercy, nor just cause...?

if you can't see it then at least understand, the rest of us can actually FEEL IT as well

way out here in the back forty...

perhaps you should alter your tone in some measure if you wish to be successful thusly, often things look different from the other side; where oh where is your empathy in his regard?

he's shown the patience of a saint to date in your own, quite frankly...

I kid you not

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AC 63875393. I would hope you are young, and are of the male gender. Not that I am opposed to the female gender, but sadly they seem to be taken less serious in theological discussions. Why? I do not know, for I have found many of them very insightful when it comes to a greater insight of spiritual observations. Nonetheless, you seem young and very knowledgeable to me, regardless of your gender. However, as I stated, your gender in the eyes of many often seems to work for/or against one in this field of discussion.

Nevertheless, it now seems that after waterman has continually lambasted me for the last two threads I have posted, he might actually live-up to his word and stay away on his own; being you received no response from him with your questions. He is a good person, just a little confused in his direction of understanding the principle movements of God's actions. He wants to rearrange, what was never meant to be and to create dual individuals out of one, and tribes into individuals..lol. Not saying that tribes often do represent individuals, but not how he recognizes it according to the scriptural meaning.

Nevertheless, it's pointless to discuss it at this time. Waterman will become cognizant of this reality sooner than he thinks. Allow me to get back to some very strong points concerning what Enoch experienced in his writings.

First and far most, one of the major mysteries of understanding the book of Enoch is the classification of the characters therein; or as you might say, herein..lol! When the writings were republished over time, they were copied as they were displayed..thank God! Otherwise, the book would never have been understandable in its purposed concept.

If nothing is understood about the book of Enoch this one thing must be realized. The wording of its characters are exampled by its appearance within its lettering. Therefore, after this is made lucid, we can clearly see that this Son of man, Elect One, Chosen One, Hidden One, Righteous One, is never worshiped in the heavenly scene. Why? Because he doesn't represent the second member of the Godhead (Jesus Christ,) neither before or after the incarnation! Neither, in eternity past or forward.

So to get to this point first, that we might divulge a better understanding of this book:

Whenever the book of Enoch refers to the name of the "Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Highest, the Most High, the father. Whenever, it refers to the name of the "name of the Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Son, Jesus, who the Book of Enoch points out that only in that name, can we be saved, I will show that in later writings. Also, the one named the "Head of Days" is in reference to Jesus. As you will see later in the book, that, that "Son of man" accompanies, the "Head of Days" when he comes forth at his second coming; (thus, reveling two separate individuals, that Son of man, and that Head of Days.) I will also show that in later writings. Now He, Him, or His, capitalized means either God the father or God the Son, as it seems to apply within the verse. Only the capitalized pronouns, Him, His, He, represent God in theses passages! Whereas, the pronouns of he, him, his, not capitalized represents that individual known in these passages as the Elect One, Son of man, Chosen One, Righteous One, also known as the righteous scribe, the prince, and Enoch in other works. Whenever a passage refers to the Righteous One, Chosen One, Elect One, or Son of man capitalized; or son of man not capitalized in this book, it is referring to that hidden man, also called the chosen one, Elect One. Nevertheless, those called the "elect ones" in this book of Enoch, not capitalized..these don't represent that Elect One, but are his fellows in Christ!


So many of these names /titles in the Book of Enoch, are not after the manner of revealing Jesus, but his servant. Not only that he came, was taken away, will come again, and must increase in his calling into the eternal realm of God's purpose, as it will also be shown in this book.

Instead most of these titles/names in this book belongs to a human being elevated to such a height that even David ask if this future servant to come in the end days was even a human being, (is this a manner of a man,) [Sam7:19KJV.] Now, David could hardly believe this servant revealed to him who shall be the ruler of his house [2Sam.7:25kjv.] How can one be a ruler of his house...he does as he wills (Rev.11:6KJV] to smite the earth as often as they will. Yet, this application has even a higher meaning, that is what shocks David. This servant is also to have the future ruler-ship of The Lord's house! a type of caretaker like unto Moses, yet, not only the earthly house, but of the heavenly realm, and the whole of all its treasure forever, and not temporal! Thus, it will be that man who shall stand in the midst of the Congregation in those days, to sing a new song. All who shall hear its understanding will discern its meaning.

Now, interpreters claim these verses [2Sam7:11-29KJV] are speaking of the coming messiah, but no! For we know at this point in David's life, he had seen the coming Messiah in several visions and prophesied about his future coming. Therefore, if it had been the Messiah, David would have instantly recognized and acknowledges that it was him! Nevertheless, he had never seen this promised one shown him in this prophecy! So also, this is the same man seen by Enoch, sitting in his future position as that Elect One! Also, the same man was shown to Balaam whose eyes were opened, yet, in a trance. Speaking of this same man almost after the same order as David's awe, saying what has God wrought! [Num.23:23KJV.]

This individual is recognized by Balaam in the form of Jacob/Israel. Yes, the Nation Israel, also was under God's protection, but Balaam was speaking more concerning an individual, a man, a he in his prophetic passages!

Jacob/Israel, was one man, called after two names. Jacob caught the heel of his brother, and thus sealed a prophetic promise. The heel in definition terms represents the end of the body. Thus, the meaning is the promise that Jacob will once again come at the end of the body, of Christ (End days) as the prince of Israel. Because Jacob's other name (Israel) means Prince. So in the End days of the body of Christ, the prince will come forth. Jesus, is not the prince. Jesus is the King. A king must never be relegated to the position of a prince! Therefore, is the meaning of that coming forth of that prince to replace the wicked prince in the end days [Ezek.21:25-27KJV.] Nevertheless, this process of replacing the wicked prince doesn't come forth until the period of Jacob's (three years) time of trouble. That is why the word (overturn) is mentioned in [Ezek 21:27kjv,] three times, it represents those three years. Many biblical translations have removed these three overturns to just one, but the Word should never be paraphrased to ones preferred liking. It may eliminate a purposed meaning and insight of a time period! Thereafter, Jacob's Trouble, (furnace of affliction,(Isa.48:10KJV,) begins the Tribulation times!


I would like to make a point here to those of you thinking I am seeking to do something bad, against God and his Son. I only desire to make correct what I believe is a misinterpretation of the Book of Enoch. This is not to make less of Jesus and his purpose, but to show perhaps this book has another meaning God intended for us to comprehend!


We must however always remember there is no higher order in God's kingdom than Jesus. All other purposes, plans, forms of agreement, and even our eternal bliss, would have all been null and void without his love and self sacrifice for our only hope of salvation. What hopeless purpose for each and everyone of us if He had not come forth for our salvation. Only those who never find him in this life will experience what was meant for all mankind; if He would have decided not to intervene in the lives of humanity!

I am not seeking to belittle Jesus' position in the Book of Enoch. I am only seeking its proper interpretation of whether it was meant to reveal Jesus in these passages or was it God's purpose to manifest a servant of the Lord to begin with!

Were the men of those days cautious about the interpretation of Enoch. Were they fearful as being considered a heretic if they read anything other than Jesus in the meaning of these passages. Many books in Scripture are about other men than Jesus. This does not lessen God's plan to accomplish all things thru Jesus! However, any man (generically speaking) having some understanding of scripture can see that this book of Enoch could never be speaking of Jesus in those titles. The Lord of Glory far exceeds such titles, and we are even told in this book, that the Lord of Spirits had to teach that man wisdom. The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God/Jesus never needed to be taught anything. He already possessed all things including wisdom! So that many titled man, is not speaking about Jesus, in the book of Enoch.

This is all for now, but perhaps if you look at the Book of Enoch concerning the parables you may better understand its meaning, I will go into greater detailed the next time and reveal some mysterious meanings of these writings and the different time periods being discussed. Hope this was of some help. AC 63875393 You don't have to agree with me and my opinions. As a matter of fact it might be better if you didn't. That way you will probably receive less criticism..lol.
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thank you so much, however fear not in my regard, as I am well versed in the receipt of criticism to date, in fact I expect it oft as not

I find nothing adverse nor to be argued with in your wise interpretation of all that you've shared in this regard to date, and look forward to whatsoever else you may care to share in future tense

as for the part regarding Jacobs trouble, are you inferring that from the start of that time designated as being Jacobs trouble that three years will pass, or that it might according to the three overturns? and that at the end of that particular period of time or that particular timeframe of Jacobs trouble that the time of tribulation would thereafter commence?

just making sure I understood you to the best of my ability, and that I didn't read anything else or unnecessary into such, nor leave anything significant out

the firey furnace of affliction is synonomous with the hour of temptation and the time of tribulation to my way of thinking

correct me if I've gone far afield of any of your interpretations, I appreciate your ability to make clear those scriptures which I sometimes don't apply correctly, hence your insight and perception is priceless as well you should know

as for seeing any possible connection to anything you've shared which would in anywise diminish the Messiah nor His position and place, I find nothing which would even make suggestion of such in what you've posted to date

thank you so much for your help and I am very grateful you came back to your thread, it's a special one and I for one appreciate your having shared so much of yourself and your insights with us herein

as for waterman, yes, I can see that he is a good person, and that his heart is in the right place, hence I also believe as I believe you do as well, that all will work out for the greater good as God is ever and always in control

see ya next time OP, hope you are well, as I also hope waterman is well, and I also wish to thank him for his kind allowance in this regard

adieu'

; )
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I am sorry I didn't make myself more clear concerning Jacobs trouble. As I have studied the word over time I see a different meaning then what is interpreted by others concerning Jacobs trouble. The popular belief is that Jacobs trouble is that last part of the 7 years Tribulation, about 3 and 1/2 yrs. This period is usually called the Great Tribulation of the full Tribulation period. However, I don't see it as Scriptural. Why? Because the Word In my opinion wants us to consider a 10 year warning of the times of trouble coming. A 3yr. period for the nation/man Jacob, in the latter days, and the 7yr. period of trouble/tribulations for the world in general, including Israel in the End days!

You see I believe God/Jesus/the Word basis many things in a category of three's. Just like three periods of time, One period is called the last days. This time period has been in existence every since Peter spoke of them in the Book of [Acts.2:14-17KJV.] Now, these days we live in are of those last days spoken of. However, the next period of time will be what is called the latter days. When does the last days end, and the latter days begin? It is but a thine line of discernment. Nevertheless, the last days run into the latter days, so we could also be more of the latter days than the last days at this point. Then shall proceed after the latter days the End days!

Now in my opinion the latter days commence around or just before the time of Jacobs trouble. And that the End days begin at the end of Jacobs trouble, and the beginning of the Tribulation Period. Therefore, the Lord warns of a 10 day period [Rev.2:10KJV] that Satan will tempt some of those who belong to Christ. It states in that verse it will be a time of tribulation for ten days.

Now like so many numbers in Scripture, days can stand for years, or even a thousand years, is but a day to the Lord. Nevertheless, I believe [Rev.2:10KJV] is speaking about 10 yrs. and it is times of tribulation/trouble 3 yrs. Jacobs trouble, 7 yrs. tribulation adds up to 10 days/yrs.. This verse is only concerned with those who belong to Christ. Therefore, it will be thru that period of time much suffering will come forth for many believers. For both the Jewish believer and the Christian believer that believes in the true Messiah in those times.

This therefore was what I was referring to when discussing Jacobs trouble. Nevertheless, I believe that when speaking about Jacob in this case, it's speaking of both an individual sometimes referred to as Jacob/Israel/prince, and also a nation called Jacob who is of a grafted order of God's desire! Henceforth, is the meaning of that furnace of affliction. It's not a time of temptation, but a time of testing. Testing for what? How well we stand under God's chastisement upon his own! For those whom he loves must suffer such chastisement to come forth from the furnace as Silver and Gold! Holding on to no dross in their lives thereafter!

For that Jacob, the nation. It will be of a great many fires, with much wind within its heat, and noises all about, with its hidden bloom of death. Then afterwards will their many gods (merchandise,) burn. And their places of worship (their homes,) shall crumble next to their fences and their tires burning. And their churches shall also burn! Also, the peoples houses shall burn (Government buildings,) [Jer.39:8kjv.]
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[Ezek.12:11-12KJV] [Jer.39.4-5KJV] [2kings.25:4-5KJV.]

And their leader shall seek to go thru the garden (Rose garden) and his head shall be bowed that he might not see the ground, with his face covered (gas mask.) For he shall retrieve them (gas mask,) when he digs thru the wall (combination safe,) and he shall go out onto the plain, (flat dry place, street, Hy-way) of Jericho (symbolic of our walled defense, like Jericho famous walls; thus, the nation's (pentagon, famous also for its walls, was the leaders destination.) Thru the gate (white house gate) between the two walls. stone wall and wire or invisible laser wall. Nevertheless, he shall not escape to that place.

*Read the verses above. It about the nation Jacob, and its leader. Jacobs Trouble.
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[Jer.30:7KJV]

Yet, for that Jacob, that man of flesh, is that furnace so cruel. Mocking, deriding, cruelty, hatred, and acts of lasciviousness against his person. Surrounded by his enemies as a troop who roll themselves upon him, and speak evil into his ear. They cause him to be in fear, and he cries out against the stillness of no response, no pity!

Death this day has transpired in me,
eyes see it not, neither is there a
memorial prepared, nor flowers brought
forth, and silence is the only melody
of promised redemption.

My heart is severed, as a deer falls
upon the forest bed, from the arrow's
blow, of a hunter's bow! I stumble!
I fall forward! My breath lingers in me,
but for no purpose!

My memories bring only remorse, for did
not my eyes reveal my soul of sorrow.
Finding my only solace in that which I
have forgotten! I alone lay there in
the quiet, in the midst of the hunters'
boasting!

I wonder what purpose, what plea, what
plan should be worth such a great cost!
Those that love me would sorrow for my
cause, yet my enemies rejoice!

They sing among themselves.
"Now where shall he go? Now who shall
stand by his side, and cherish him above
all others; and cover him as a
shield from the grasp of our craft! For
now he has laid himself down and shall
not again rise!

Then a thought reveals a thing far worse!
I live! And walk about in a frame! Blind,
lame, and crippled in parts. Mine eye sees
no more, my left arm severed of its use; my
leg vanished of its power! I have lost half
of me this day, yet my breath perishes not.
And now a thing far worse lays in waiting!

For I have gnawed at the vermin, the morsel of
his meal, and sucked the crust of bodies
shelled! For as that serpent's venom, its
taste is of no strength, its swallow no
nourishment!

These words are just an analytical perspective on my part you understand. Or as waterman might say..its my scenario..lol.

*Read the verse above, [Jer.30:7KJV.] It's about the individual Jacob. Jacobs Trouble.
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Nevertheless, the furnace also brings forth decay, blackness, and stench full of death's grasp and the dragon's jaws! Nevertheless, in such an hour is that man-child delivered [Rev.12:4-5KJV.] For it is so purposed!

For now..AC67938434.
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It is not my purpose to apply too much emphasis on the Book of 1Enoch (Ethiopian version.) I prefer to interpret the Word of God, and its many verses. Nevertheless, it is somewhat my objective to reveal the similarities of both this book of Enoch and the wordings and more clandestine meanings of the scriptures. Of which is not always recognized within its purposed understanding. However, once it is pointed out it becomes somewhat more lucid in its accuracy with the Word. So I will skip about throughout to make some points, and allow you the reader to be the decider as to my understanding of its reading. Whether it be of discernment or imagination.

First, as I pointed out in an earlier post; this one addressed in the Book of Enoch with many titles/names is never worshiped. Neither by Angels, Saints, or any of the Hierarchy. I know it appears that he is in some places, including [1Enoch.48:5] but appearances can be deceiving. For example:

[1Enoch.48:2,] this verse is speaking concerning that Son of Man as he is declared before the Lord of Spirits (God the Father,) and his name before the Head of Days (Jesus.)
Now, how do we know Jesus is referred to as the (Head of Days,) in this book. And that it is not actually also referring to God the Father? Because, later in the book of Enoch it reveals that it is the (Head of Days) who prepares himself, with his host of angels, and also with that Son of man to return to earth in the end days/Second Coming. God the Father doesn't do this, but God the Son does [1Enoch.71:8-14.]

So to continue as to who is being worshiped in these passage of [1Enoch.48:5-6.] These verses in [1Enoch.48:2-6] are speaking of three entities, being observed by Enoch. They are God the Father (Lord of Spirits,) God the Son (Head of Days,) and a third entity, that (Son of Man!)

So who is being worshiped in [1Enoch.48:5?] And, where/when is the worshiping taking place? And who are the worshipers?

[1Enoch.48:5] All who dwell on earth shall
fall down and worship before him, And will
praise and bless and celebrate with song
the Lord of Spirits.

[1Enoch.48:6] "And for this reason has he been chosen,
and hidden before Him, before the creation of
the world and for evermore."
Not that he will be hidden for evermore, but chosen for evermore. For he will be revealed for the elect in the end times.

Now, with discerning observation, all who are dwelling on earth in Enoch's vision, it states, are worshiping in a righteous worship. So we know that it makes the claim, All who dwell on earth at that time are worshiping. Therefore, it must be at a time when all evil men have perished.
For evil men on earth would not be worshiping God! Therefore, it must be a time past the time of that Millennial age. For we know that during that time many shall remain in their sinful condition. Even rebelling along with Satan at his release at the end of the Millennium period.

So, who are they worshiping? Not that Son of Man, not that (him,) that pronoun not capitalized. What are they doing then? They are all worshiping BEFORE him, not to him! Who then is their praise in song directed at? To (The Lord of Spirits) to (Him,) that pronoun him, capitalized. So, what is that Son of Man doing. He is to STAND in their midst, for they have all fell down before him (1Enoch.48:5.] Why? Because, he first taught them that song of praise, as that song of Moses, beginning with the 144,000 on Mt Sion. None but them at that time could learn it. Afterwards, all the Children of the Most High shall know it and sing it forever. That Son of Man taught it. For it was taught to him by that Head of Days!

That Son of man, is that lamb that shall STAND/stood with the 144,000. For in [Rev. [14:1KJV] It declares: A lamb stood in their midst...not THE Lamb. THE Lamb (Jesus) is declared in [Rev.14:4KJV!] If it was meant to be the same entity, it would have declared THE Lamb in all three places, within those two verses. Later I will reveal where that man is also called a lamb, later on in the Book of Enoch.

This entity, A lamb, in [Rev.14:1kjv] is that period on earth at the time, that man is with the 144,000. Jesus doesn't come down to earth, until at the very end, at his Second Coming! This period of time of A lamb, is during the latter/end days period! That other Lamb, reveled as THE lamb, in Rev.14:4kjv,] is after the 144,000 are in heaven with The Lamb, (Jesus!)

Nowhere, will you ever find in scripture, that Jesus will be walking around on earth in his physical body during the Tribulation period directing us; when the 144,000 are here with us on earth. He sends the two witnesses for the help and safety of the Saints in those days.

Therefore, now reread [1Enoch.48:5] and it clearly reveals they are singing their song of Praise, to worship and to bless, (God, the Father, the Lord of Spirits.)


That's all for now. I am sure most who have always been taught differently will have some contentions with these writings I have posted. Nevertheless, they are not meant to be seen/understood by all.

Will write some more later about how Enoch witnessed an earthly catastrophe in the latter days, and how it lines-up with the book of Revelation!

Also, how that hidden man in that [Book of 1Enoch] is revealed also judging the angels. Of course we know that this is left into the hand of man. For we know according to the Word; anyone classified as God, would never, as God's Word declares, judge the angels. For this promise is placed into the hands of humanity [1Cor.6:3KJV,] more later.
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Phanuel/Uriel (literally, "the Fire God") is not only the angel that is set over repentance/penance, he is also the angel that is set over Tartaros, aka the fiery place of torture where the souls of the unrepentant wicked end up after death.

Some say he is one of the four aspects ("faces") of God, together with the better known Michael, Gabriel and Rafael.

Now you have to realize that to undergo penance for your sins is not a very pleasant thing. You are basically voluntarily undergoing torture during your lifetime, to escape an even greater torture after death. And "the Fire God" is set over both the torture of penance during your lifetime, as well as over the torture in Tartaros.

He wasnt very popular with the corrupt and unrepentant clergy of the Middle Ages, for obvious reasons. They actively cracked down on anything related to Phanuel/Uriel. Then again, worshipping someone who oversees your "chastening", might be a little masochistic.

The word Uriel (Fire-God) implies that he could somehow be related to another well known angelig being, known to muslims as Iblis, who according to the Quran was created from fire and refused to serve the humans out of pride.

He might be related to the christian "Satan", the accusator, the fiery "Dragon".
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Very interesting reading. Thanks for that nugget of information. Learn something new everyday, as they say. In my case learn many things new everyday..lol.
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looking forward to your next post OP

hope all is well with you

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looking forward to your next post OP

hope all is well with you

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Thank you for your comment AC1308250. I will write some more on this subject later. I actually started writing some more today, but was not suppose to at this time, so I erased what was written. It is very difficult for me to write on some subject matters. For often the ones I enjoy writing on are very controversial. Therefore it drains me. To the delight I'm sure of those who oppose me..lol.

Nevertheless, we all have our burdens to bear. If this is the most opposing thing I will experience, then my burden is light indeed. Sadly, I don't see my burdens remaining that easy in the future. Nevertheless, such things should not be our concern. Our objective should be to speak a truth to the best of our understanding. If we are wrong at least our objective/s was/were sincere. I believe our sincerity is highly recognized in the spiritual realms, well at least I hope so..lol. It is about all such fellows as myself have to offer to those seeking to learn, and of course to those who believe they are the more learned...lol.

I am also considering writing some more on my other thread posted back in 2014. I really feel I haven't even discussed that thread in any depth yet, and I still feel the need to do so.

God Bless.
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looking forward to your next post OP

hope all is well with you

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Thank you for your comment AC1308250. I will write some more on this subject later. I actually started writing some more today, but was not suppose to at this time, so I erased what was written. It is very difficult for me to write on some subject matters. For often the ones I enjoy writing on are very controversial. Therefore it drains me. To the delight I'm sure of those who oppose me..lol.

Nevertheless, we all have our burdens to bear. If this is the most opposing thing I will experience, then my burden is light indeed. Sadly, I don't see my burdens remaining that easy in the future. Nevertheless, such things should not be our concern. Our objective should be to speak a truth to the best of our understanding. If we are wrong at least our objective/s was/were sincere. I believe our sincerity is highly recognized in the spiritual realms, well at least I hope so..lol. It is about all such fellows as myself have to offer to those seeking to learn, and of course to those who believe they are the more learned...lol.

I am also considering writing some more on my other thread posted back in 2014. I really feel I haven't even discussed that thread in any depth yet, and I still feel the need to do so.

God Bless.
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I hope you do and I hope I can find it as well if that's the case

you too, have a great day OP
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The Nepilliam will reappear again.

They are already here but are still able to manipulate their form. They will lose that ability soon and be grotesque creatures and giants.
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The Nepilliam will reappear again.

They are already here but are still able to manipulate their form. They will lose that ability soon and be grotesque creatures and giants.
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I totally agree with your statement/post!
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Enoch may have also had access to hallucinogenic plants as many other ancient writers have had.

Food for thought.

That doesn't detract from the message, insight and wisdom.
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and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy!

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THIS UP THERE ^
There are ancient texts that are authentic and not in the bible yet provide related history, proof, etc. I'm good w/Enoch, I believe that GOD can absolutely have our world in this order, even including 'flat-earth'. There must be, among the multitudes of angels, ones we do not know the names of. The big problem I have is the 'angel in charge of repentance'. Huge red flag.

Even the great deceiver lair tells half-truths.
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Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ
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He did indeed. In many places and in many ways.

the entire book of Isaiah comes to mind. Also the serpent coiled upon a wooden stick that the Israelites had to look upon to be healed. That was during the Exodus.
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