AC 63875393. I would hope you are young, and are of the male gender. Not that I am opposed to the female gender, but sadly they seem to be taken less serious in theological discussions. Why? I do not know, for I have found many of them very insightful when it comes to a greater insight of spiritual observations. Nonetheless, you seem young and very knowledgeable to me, regardless of your gender. However, as I stated, your gender in the eyes of many often seems to work for/or against one in this field of discussion.

Nevertheless, it now seems that after waterman has continually lambasted me for the last two threads I have posted, he might actually live-up to his word and stay away on his own; being you received no response from him with your questions. He is a good person, just a little confused in his direction of understanding the principle movements of God's actions. He wants to rearrange, what was never meant to be and to create dual individuals out of one, and tribes into individuals..lol. Not saying that tribes often do represent individuals, but not how he recognizes it according to the scriptural meaning.

Nevertheless, it's pointless to discuss it at this time. Waterman will become cognizant of this reality sooner than he thinks. Allow me to get back to some very strong points concerning what Enoch experienced in his writings.

First and far most, one of the major mysteries of understanding the book of Enoch is the classification of the characters therein; or as you might say, herein..lol! When the writings were republished over time, they were copied as they were displayed..thank God! Otherwise, the book would never have been understandable in its purposed concept.

If nothing is understood about the book of Enoch this one thing must be realized. The wording of its characters are exampled by its appearance within its lettering. Therefore, after this is made lucid, we can clearly see that this Son of man, Elect One, Chosen One, Hidden One, Righteous One, is never worshiped in the heavenly scene. Why? Because he doesn't represent the second member of the Godhead (Jesus Christ,) neither before or after the incarnation! Neither, in eternity past or forward.

So to get to this point first, that we might divulge a better understanding of this book:

Whenever the book of Enoch refers to the name of the "Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Highest, the Most High, the father. Whenever, it refers to the name of the "name of the Lord of Spirits" that is referring to God the Son, Jesus, who the Book of Enoch points out that only in that name, can we be saved, I will show that in later writings. Also, the one named the "Head of Days" is in reference to Jesus. As you will see later in the book, that, that "Son of man" accompanies, the "Head of Days" when he comes forth at his second coming; (thus, reveling two separate individuals, that Son of man, and that Head of Days.) I will also show that in later writings. Now He, Him, or His, capitalized means either God the father or God the Son, as it seems to apply within the verse. Only the capitalized pronouns, Him, His, He, represent God in theses passages! Whereas, the pronouns of he, him, his, not capitalized represents that individual known in these passages as the Elect One, Son of man, Chosen One, Righteous One, also known as the righteous scribe, the prince, and Enoch in other works. Whenever a passage refers to the Righteous One, Chosen One, Elect One, or Son of man capitalized; or son of man not capitalized in this book, it is referring to that hidden man, also called the chosen one, Elect One. Nevertheless, those called the "elect ones" in this book of Enoch, not capitalized..these don't represent that Elect One, but are his fellows in Christ!


So many of these names /titles in the Book of Enoch, are not after the manner of revealing Jesus, but his servant. Not only that he came, was taken away, will come again, and must increase in his calling into the eternal realm of God's purpose, as it will also be shown in this book.

Instead most of these titles/names in this book belongs to a human being elevated to such a height that even David ask if this future servant to come in the end days was even a human being, (is this a manner of a man,) [Sam7:19KJV.] Now, David could hardly believe this servant revealed to him who shall be the ruler of his house [2Sam.7:25kjv.] How can one be a ruler of his house...he does as he wills (Rev.11:6KJV] to smite the earth as often as they will. Yet, this application has even a higher meaning, that is what shocks David. This servant is also to have the future ruler-ship of The Lord's house! a type of caretaker like unto Moses, yet, not only the earthly house, but of the heavenly realm, and the whole of all its treasure forever, and not temporal! Thus, it will be that man who shall stand in the midst of the Congregation in those days, to sing a new song. All who shall hear its understanding will discern its meaning.

Now, interpreters claim these verses [2Sam7:11-29KJV] are speaking of the coming messiah, but no! For we know at this point in David's life, he had seen the coming Messiah in several visions and prophesied about his future coming. Therefore, if it had been the Messiah, David would have instantly recognized and acknowledges that it was him! Nevertheless, he had never seen this promised one shown him in this prophecy! So also, this is the same man seen by Enoch, sitting in his future position as that Elect One! Also, the same man was shown to Balaam whose eyes were opened, yet, in a trance. Speaking of this same man almost after the same order as David's awe, saying what has God wrought! [Num.23:23KJV.]

This individual is recognized by Balaam in the form of Jacob/Israel. Yes, the Nation Israel, also was under God's protection, but Balaam was speaking more concerning an individual, a man, a he in his prophetic passages!

Jacob/Israel, was one man, called after two names. Jacob caught the heel of his brother, and thus sealed a prophetic promise. The heel in definition terms represents the end of the body. Thus, the meaning is the promise that Jacob will once again come at the end of the body, of Christ (End days) as the prince of Israel. Because Jacob's other name (Israel) means Prince. So in the End days of the body of Christ, the prince will come forth. Jesus, is not the prince. Jesus is the King. A king must never be relegated to the position of a prince! Therefore, is the meaning of that coming forth of that prince to replace the wicked prince in the end days [Ezek.21:25-27KJV.] Nevertheless, this process of replacing the wicked prince doesn't come forth until the period of Jacob's (three years) time of trouble. That is why the word (overturn) is mentioned in [Ezek 21:27kjv,] three times, it represents those three years. Many biblical translations have removed these three overturns to just one, but the Word should never be paraphrased to ones preferred liking. It may eliminate a purposed meaning and insight of a time period! Thereafter, Jacob's Trouble, (furnace of affliction,(Isa.48:10KJV,) begins the Tribulation times!


I would like to make a point here to those of you thinking I am seeking to do something bad, against God and his Son. I only desire to make correct what I believe is a misinterpretation of the Book of Enoch. This is not to make less of Jesus and his purpose, but to show perhaps this book has another meaning God intended for us to comprehend!


We must however always remember there is no higher order in God's kingdom than Jesus. All other purposes, plans, forms of agreement, and even our eternal bliss, would have all been null and void without his love and self sacrifice for our only hope of salvation. What hopeless purpose for each and everyone of us if He had not come forth for our salvation. Only those who never find him in this life will experience what was meant for all mankind; if He would have decided not to intervene in the lives of humanity!

I am not seeking to belittle Jesus' position in the Book of Enoch. I am only seeking its proper interpretation of whether it was meant to reveal Jesus in these passages or was it God's purpose to manifest a servant of the Lord to begin with!

Were the men of those days cautious about the interpretation of Enoch. Were they fearful as being considered a heretic if they read anything other than Jesus in the meaning of these passages. Many books in Scripture are about other men than Jesus. This does not lessen God's plan to accomplish all things thru Jesus! However, any man (generically speaking) having some understanding of scripture can see that this book of Enoch could never be speaking of Jesus in those titles. The Lord of Glory far exceeds such titles, and we are even told in this book, that the Lord of Spirits had to teach that man wisdom. The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God/Jesus never needed to be taught anything. He already possessed all things including wisdom! So that many titled man, is not speaking about Jesus, in the book of Enoch.

This is all for now, but perhaps if you look at the Book of Enoch concerning the parables you may better understand its meaning, I will go into greater detailed the next time and reveal some mysterious meanings of these writings and the different time periods being discussed. Hope this was of some help. AC 63875393 You don't have to agree with me and my opinions. As a matter of fact it might be better if you didn't. That way you will probably receive less criticism..lol.