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History and the Politics of Education **The Intentional Dumbing Down of America Exposed**

 
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This person has a long utoob interview.
It's very interesting, this subject.


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Thank you, Chrewman! I watched the video. I also watched Alan Watt's video which was one of the vids youtube chose to display when the video you linked had finished.

Sick! It's just sick what the people given the power to rule over us do to us! Why do people keep voting for others to rule over them?!?!?!?!

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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I'll get back to the comments that I haven't acknowledged yet. I can't type, and my eyesight isn't perfect, so it took me a long time to make my last two comments, and I need a break. Your comments are important, though, so keep 'em coming!
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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So many who possess creative genius have been discriminated against, and they have been abused to the extent that their self-esteem has been damaged.

While some of them hung onto their sanity and self-esteem, others broke under the pressure to destroy uncommon intelligence among the non-elite, and as a result we have not a few commoners who wrongly have low self-esteem, who have been psychologically damaged, and are in need of help.

We also have those newly entering the Idiocracy's educational system who, being psychologically manipulated from a very young age to negate themselves, and to be ashamed of their abilities, may never be able to recover because the science to destroy them is near, if not actually, perfect.

A way to stop the insanity must come to light, and be implemented in order to salvage those non-elites of high intellect who have been abused and damaged, as well as to prevent further damage in the generations to come.

Under the Idiocracy, some have been given special rights over and above everyone else. I'm not going to go into them in depth because it is already well known who are these groups -- the untouchables.

In order to protect those of uncommonly high intellect amongst the non-elite, we need their minority status to be recognized and the perpetration of these institutionalized attacks upon them, to dumb them down and oppress them, to be stopped NOW, to be labelled truthfully -- as hate crimes.

Where do we draw the line? How do we word legislation to stop this discrimination that is destroying the best and brightest among us? I'm not sure, myself.

I found one website that says, "Half of the population have IQ's of between 90 and 110, while 25% have higher IQ's and 25% have lower IQ". (I'm not going to give the link to the website until and unless they answer a request for their source material.)

It is already established that the lowest 25% are to be protected. The middle 50% are the mediocrity who are, in the current system, those promoted above the other 50%.

It is the highest 25% who are the targets of the elites' hate crimes, who suffer the brutal oppression, who are discriminated against, who are abused, and who may become irreparably damaged by being the decades long victims of the rulers of the Idiocracy.

They are a minority, being 25% of the population, and they not only deserve protection, they absolutely must have it if we are to stop the conspiracy to eliminate high intelligence among commoners.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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you cant control 317 million intelligent free thinkers.
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Nice thread OP.

Much of this "new wave" has been implemented under the guise of protecting the childs self esteem. To some degree that's fair, if we only compare the abuse routinely doled out by educators many decades ago, be it verbal or physical.
But it's gone way beyond that. Now every kid gets a sticker, or ribbon or whatever just for turning up. God forbid you mark their work with a red pen, it will do untold psychological damage or everybody wins the race, there is no first place any more. Couple that with a curriculum that's designed to dumb children down.
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phrenology is severely underrated

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you cant control 317 million intelligent free thinkers.
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That's the meat of the matter, the reason all of our lives have been intentionally destroyed. I say, "Enough is ENOUGH!"
Nice thread OP.

Much of this "new wave" has been implemented under the guise of protecting the childs self esteem. To some degree that's fair, if we only compare the abuse routinely doled out by educators many decades ago, be it verbal or physical.
But it's gone way beyond that. Now every kid gets a sticker, or ribbon or whatever just for turning up. God forbid you mark their work with a red pen, it will do untold psychological damage or everybody wins the race, there is no first place any more. Couple that with a curriculum that's designed to dumb children down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57298328

The so-called self-esteem building idea is a ruse. TPTB know as well as I do that what they implemented destroyed the lives and the self-esteem of the truly gifted by abusing and oppressing them, and destroyed the lives of the less gifted by destroying society in general, and by giving them a violent sense of entitlement resulting in chaos and destruction. Look around you. TPTB knew this would be the result, and it has made life a living hell for all of us non-elites.
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phrenology is severely underrated

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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The basic problem is this. You see yourself as two things, a person and a citizen.
But the politicians and banksters see you only as two other things. A tax payer and a money supplier.

There are no people, there is only money.
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Good read OP :)
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Thanks, Thrilla!
peace

Believe me. French schools have radically changed since Gustave Le Bon times. Like in many other aspects, the turning point was the 60's, there were a wave of teachers that advocate to put the student in the center of all attention. To make him the equal of his teacher which is not here to teach him but to help him reveals himself. I guess I have no need to tell you what where their political obedience.

Anyway, the results were/is dreadful. In the 50's there were many blue collar's kids that became politicians, entrepreneurs etc. The system was based on merit. Sure the economical context benefited that but still, you had a chance making it big. Today? Not that much. Years of political activism in universities have destroyed meritocracy and promoted mediocrity.

It's easier to make someone a slave by making him follow his urges than by force-feeding him knowledge.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54890476

I hear you, and I understand what you are saying. Meritocracy is the only right way to go for the real good of society, and for real justice. The establishment and the schools have gone in the opposite direction, and the meritorious are being stomped into the mud while the mediocre are promoted.

It makes the entire life of the meritorious a living hell from the day they are placed in the hands of the state until the day they die. That the elite say that we are genetically, or biologically, inferior when it is their own monkeying around with each of our lives that has screwed us up, is obscene.

Even when our schools were pseudo-merit-based, the teachers would unjustly kick the feet out from under those whom they didn't want to see succeed because they weren't in their clique, or because they refused to hand the teacher their mind on a platter for the teacher to mold as they pleased, like some god or something.

I've my own personal "horror" stories from the dungeons of the educational system (etymologically education means "to lead astray"), plus stories of others that I know well and whose experiences I witnessed. I would guess that you do as well, unless you were lucky and got through when the system was in better shape.

PS: I'm not certain what you meant in the part that I bolded in your comment, though. If you'd care to elaborate, or to tell us more on the subject of this thread, I'm all ears. hf

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The things you say about some teachers bring back a couple of bad memories too.

What I meant about the urges/force-feeding knowledge was about this part: "From the primary school till he leaves the university a young man does nothing but acquire books by heart without his judgment or personal initiative being ever called into play. Education consists for him in reciting by heart and obeying."

Too many times, people make the mistake to believe than domination can only be obtained by force, by a fascist power forcing people to adapt to a mold a la 1984.

But bye convincing people that being free is to follow their urges, by refusing them any kind of structure, they get way more alienated. You get emotive people, stuck in an infantile state of mind that are easy to frighten and easy to galvanize, people that are begging for theirs shackles like a drug addict would.
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Thank you for taking the time to clear that up. I understand what you are saying now.

Children need structure in order to feel secure. There can be structure while at the same time allowing a child to unfold naturally, but if that was allowed then the non-elite would blossom and TPTB do NOT want that happening.

How to make that happen, how to unfold ones true self, blossom, and fulfill ones true being is an ancient esoteric (mystery religion)practice that has been kept from the non-elite so that the non-elite will not rise to be equals of those few who rule the world.

They call us profane because the knowledge is not shared with us, and the lack of the knowledge of how to do it is what destroys us.

They rub salt in the wounds of the damage they inflicted upon us intentionally by treating us with disdain, and by saying that we are biologically inferior to them, when it is not a matter of inferiority, it's a matter of ignorance due to them hiding the truth, a matter of them damaging us on purpose so that we will remain ineffective and miserable.

They fight against home schooling because home schooled children receive a version of education that is more similar to the mystery religion's esoteric practices than is the institutional education that is the exact opposite of it, and those experiences that resemble the esoteric practices more than does institutionalized education do not make for good, damaged, slaves for TPTB.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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The basic problem is this. You see yourself as two things, a person and a citizen.
But the politicians and banksters see you only as two other things. A tax payer and a money supplier.

There are no people, there is only money.
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We wouldn't acquiesce if we had knowledge. Please see my last comment before this one.

To everyone: Forgive me my bolding of all of my comments. It makes it easier for me to see. hf
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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I have no clue who you are, or what your stance is, but from your posts on this thread you seem to have a wonderful sense of humor, and you make me laugh. I love a good laugh, so thank you, and I hope you don't turn out to be otherwise than the impression you have made.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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There are homeschooling groups that can help.

Here's a website with some discussion that may be useful:
[link to giftedissues.davidsongifted.org]

It necessary sometimes to accept that the school can be an adversary. My gifted son'e elementary principal was a real piece of work, constantly putting my son in trouble for nothing so that he could not benefit from his accomplishments.

If you have a gifted child, it may make sense to give them an above level test (ACT Explore, or even ACT or SAT) and if the scores are good, use that to advocate that your child really is advanced and should be given suitable content. The best thing is acceleration (a more advanced class) as "enrichment" tends to be a waste of time. Once you've learned the grade 4 material, the next thing to learn is the grade 5 material (not something else), that's why it is next in line. Especially for things like math, where typically "enrichment" is taught by people who are not competent in the subject matter because it's too advanced for the teacher.
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There are homeschooling groups that can help.

Here's a website with some discussion that may be useful:
[link to giftedissues.davidsongifted.org]

It necessary sometimes to accept that the school can be an adversary. My gifted son'e elementary principal was a real piece of work, constantly putting my son in trouble for nothing so that he could not benefit from his accomplishments.

If you have a gifted child, it may make sense to give them an above level test (ACT Explore, or even ACT or SAT) and if the scores are good, use that to advocate that your child really is advanced and should be given suitable content. The best thing is acceleration (a more advanced class) as "enrichment" tends to be a waste of time. Once you've learned the grade 4 material, the next thing to learn is the grade 5 material (not something else), that's why it is next in line. Especially for things like math, where typically "enrichment" is taught by people who are not competent in the subject matter because it's too advanced for the teacher.
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Thank you for your input, AC. I'll go check that out.

Sometimes the abuse suffered in public schools causes psychological damage that the person never gets over. Home schooling, by a loving parent, is the only way to go for those who cannot afford private schools, until, or unless, a radical change is made in the public system.

I can't see any beneficial change coming our way, though, unless we fight for it, and the only way I can figure out how to do it is by demanding that the educational system change, or a significant number of people sit on their buttocks and refuse to cooperate. A few already do. More are needed.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
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A starving artist with uncorrected astigmatism and presbyopia, plus 5% (green) color blindness, trying to make a living off of making graphics using a computer not up to the task -- what could go wrong?
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