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The True Nature of the Simulation

 
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Medical Technological Development created methods of indefinite "anti-aging" long long ago, beyond ancient. Along with this, quantum computer networks were also developed with the capability of simulating every aspect of reality as it is interpreted by the human brain.

These quantum computer networks are used to "screen" general humanity. They have created this/these holographic simulation(s) as (a) screening area(s) where they just pick and choose who they allow into the "real" based on certain requirements. Think about it, in a world where physical immortality is possible through medical science and technology, how else could it be?

These immortals are human, or maybe more accurately described as technologically aided post-human that every human has the potential to be. Those with access to such technology would have some decisions to make. Certain questions would inevitably arise. Would the ones with access to immortality inducing technology be able to intermingle with those who do not? Why would one be denied access? Is everyone respectful of the rights of others? Does everyone deserve indefinitely extended life? Are humans born inherently "good?"

Many other concerns with natural balance and overpopulation would also arise when immortality is possible through technology. When no one dies, yet reproduction is still possible, overpopulation and resource shortage can happen very quickly. Also because of this concept, when the population within the simulation reaches a pre-determined "critical mass", a "programmed" cataclysm occurs, and "resets" the population back to a manageable amount.

These virtual holo-realities were created so they can just pick and choose who they share their immortal universe with, and the rest just live out their lives, never realizing they exist within a simulation, all the while, a fragile equilibrium with nature is maintained. And because of the cataclysm cycle programmed into the simulation, the immortal humans get to pick from the best minds of countless possible human civilizations and the types of people they produce. You would be surprised at how diverse the spectrum of human cultural possibility is, and how a culture can shape the syntax of thought for an individual. There have been some amazing technologies that have come out of unlikely places.

Your real body, outside the simulation, "dreaming" this reality, that is your true soul, your true physical body. And not everyone within this simulation has one, some people might actually be Artificial Intelligence, and only exist as part of the simulation. Are they real? Do they possess sentience? Are they aware? I don't know. I guess whatever one feels to be their "source" or "point of origin" would determine their individual life/religious philosophy.

Immortality is one of those things that, if everyone knew it was possible, it would do more damage than good. If people knew for a fact that this was the goal, would their actions and convictions be genuine? Its just one of those things that one does not get to know about.... until...... well ...you pass the test.

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"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
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No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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Medical Technological Development created methods of indefinite "anti-aging" long long ago. Along with this, quantum computer networks were also developed with the capability of simulating every aspect of reality as it is interpreted by the human brain.

They use these quantum computer networks to "screen" humanity. They have created this/these holographic simulation(s) as (a) screening area(s) where they just pick and choose who they allow into the "real" based on certain requirements. Think about it, in a world where physical immortality is possible through medical science and technology, how else could it be?

Those with access to such technology would have some decisions to make. Certain questions would inevitably arise. Would the ones with access to immortality inducing technology be able to intermingle with those who do not? Why would one be denied access? Is everyone respectful of the rights of others? Does everyone deserve indefinitely extended life? Are humans born inherently "good?" Many other concerns with natural balance and overpopulation would also arise. When no one dies, yet reproduction is still possible, overpopulation and resource shortage can happen very quickly.

They created these virtual holo-realities so they can just pick and choose who they share their immortal universe with, and the rest just live out their lives, all the while, they maintain a fragile equilibrium with nature.

Immortality is one of those things that, if everyone knew it was possible, it would do more damage than good. If people knew for a fact that this was the goal, would their actions and convictions be genuine? Its just one of those things that you dont get to know about.... until...... well ...you pass the test.
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an interesting permutation of what the religious term the afterlife

op , is this immortality a physical or some other type of existence?popcorn
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Medical Technological Development created methods of indefinite "anti-aging" long long ago. Along with this, quantum computer networks were also developed with the capability of simulating every aspect of reality as it is interpreted by the human brain.

They use these quantum computer networks to "screen" humanity. They have created this/these holographic simulation(s) as (a) screening area(s) where they just pick and choose who they allow into the "real" based on certain requirements. Think about it, in a world where physical immortality is possible through medical science and technology, how else could it be?

Those with access to such technology would have some decisions to make. Certain questions would inevitably arise. Would the ones with access to immortality inducing technology be able to intermingle with those who do not? Why would one be denied access? Is everyone respectful of the rights of others? Does everyone deserve indefinitely extended life? Are humans born inherently "good?" Many other concerns with natural balance and overpopulation would also arise. When no one dies, yet reproduction is still possible, overpopulation and resource shortage can happen very quickly.

They created these virtual holo-realities so they can just pick and choose who they share their immortal universe with, and the rest just live out their lives, all the while, they maintain a fragile equilibrium with nature.

Immortality is one of those things that, if everyone knew it was possible, it would do more damage than good. If people knew for a fact that this was the goal, would their actions and convictions be genuine? Its just one of those things that you dont get to know about.... until...... well ...you pass the test.
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These would be people who don't want the real thing, they will not believe they can have eternal life, not a fake imitation of eternal life. They want to upload to a computer. They can't their memories can but not them, they can hook up to a computer though wires, but that is not life.
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an interesting permutation of what the religious term the afterlife

op , is this immortality a physical or some other type of existence?popcorn
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Best described in terms of digital vs analogue. Both can contain the same content, but analogue is raw, not processed or compressed. Maybe could be described as "more physical", a reality with more detailed content. It is difficult to describe without a common frame of reference, like explaining the color orange to an entity born blind.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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what the point of the TEST ?
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Problem is, most of the 'immortals' are the most boring zombies to ever quasiexist.
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Think about living a life of at least 2000 years, think of the crap they had to witness. They have seen more than they would have ever wanted to.

They probably Hiding in a quite cave some where as far from people as they can get. Come out sometimes for food and supplies and back they go. More than likely they would not want to see the others that often either, that way they don't get tired of them.

They would not live a normal life, cause they would have to watch people they had come to care about pass from this world and they can not. So, it hiding a dying ever so often to reappear as a look a like, but with a new name. Well, that is the way I would be, if I had to live that long on earth, they may have like the quit times before all the new gadgets Like the mess we are in now, of course they may have something to do with it, payback, for all the trouble.

They would be wrong to do it, and on the chance it was some one like that, turn it off. It is drive some of us out of our heads. Insomnia is going around, I used to think I was rare well not now. Ever one I now has insomnia! That is not normal and sure is not helping any one.
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an interesting permutation of what the religious term the afterlife

op , is this immortality a physical or some other type of existence?popcorn
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Best described in terms of digital vs analogue. Both can contain the same content, but analogue is raw, not processed or compressed. Maybe could be described as "more physical", a reality with more detailed content. It is difficult to describe without a common frame of reference, like explaining the color orange to an entity born blind.
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so the immortals would equate to the digital then /
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Think about living a life of at least 2000 years, think of the crap they had to witness. They have seen more than they would have ever wanted to.

They probably Hiding in a quite cave some where as far from people as they can get. Come out sometimes for food and supplies and back they go. More than likely they would not want to see the others that often either, that way they don't get tired of them.

They would not live a normal life, cause they would have to watch people they had come to care about pass from this world and they can not. So, it hiding a dying ever so often to reappear as a look a like, but with a new name. Well, that is the way I would be, if I had to live that long on earth, they may have like the quit times before all the new gadgets Like the mess we are in now, of course they may have something to do with it, payback, for all the trouble.

They would be wrong to do it, and on the chance it was some one like that, turn it off. It is drive some of us out of our heads. Insomnia is going around, I used to think I was rare well not now. Ever one I now has insomnia! That is not normal and sure is not helping any one.
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I think you misunderstood. Not sure we are on the same page.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation
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an interesting permutation of what the religious term the afterlife

op , is this immortality a physical or some other type of existence?popcorn
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Best described in terms of digital vs analogue. Both can contain the same content, but analogue is raw, not processed or compressed. Maybe could be described as "more physical", a reality with more detailed content. It is difficult to describe without a common frame of reference, like explaining the color orange to an entity born blind.
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so the immortals would equate to the digital then /
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No, this place, inside the simulation, is the digital environment. The world outside the simulation is analogue.

I find it interesting that you automatically assumed that digital is better. Granted, if you want to fit a lot into a small space, digital works well, but nothing can beat a real analogue ossilation. Most will never know the difference.

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"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

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Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation
Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain.
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an interesting permutation of what the religious term the afterlife

op , is this immortality a physical or some other type of existence?popcorn
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Best described in terms of digital vs analogue. Both can contain the same content, but analogue is raw, not processed or compressed. Maybe could be described as "more physical", a reality with more detailed content. It is difficult to describe without a common frame of reference, like explaining the color orange to an entity born blind.
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so the immortals would equate to the digital then /
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No, this place, inside the simulation, is the digital environment. The world outside the simulation is analogue.

I find it interesting that you automatically assumed that digital is better. Granted, if you want to fit a lot into a small space, digital works well, but nothing can beat a real analogue "vibration". Most will never know the difference.
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thats interesting

i assumed that you thought it would be digital for the reason you assumed i didtounge

understood

however , the case could be made that the digital is finer and thus has a greater ability of producing affects with greater subtlety.....

.....afterall it is accepted that what is of the mind (data)affects what is of the material(mechanical)

or not ?
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Best described in terms of digital vs analogue. Both can contain the same content, but analogue is raw, not processed or compressed. Maybe could be described as "more physical", a reality with more detailed content. It is difficult to describe without a common frame of reference, like explaining the color orange to an entity born blind.
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so the immortals would equate to the digital then /
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No, this place, inside the simulation, is the digital environment. The world outside the simulation is analogue.

I find it interesting that you automatically assumed that digital is better. Granted, if you want to fit a lot into a small space, digital works well, but nothing can beat a real analogue "vibration". Most will never know the difference.
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thats interesting

i assumed that you thought it would be digital for the reason you assumed i didtounge

understood

however , the case could be made that the digital is finer and thus has a greater ability of producing affects with greater subtlety.....

.....afterall it is accepted that what is of the mind (data)affects what is of the material(mechanical)

or not ?
 Quoting: metaskeleton


what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

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Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation
Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain.
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so the immortals would equate to the digital then /
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No, this place, inside the simulation, is the digital environment. The world outside the simulation is analogue.

I find it interesting that you automatically assumed that digital is better. Granted, if you want to fit a lot into a small space, digital works well, but nothing can beat a real analogue "vibration". Most will never know the difference.
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thats interesting

i assumed that you thought it would be digital for the reason you assumed i didtounge

understood

however , the case could be made that the digital is finer and thus has a greater ability of producing affects with greater subtlety.....

.....afterall it is accepted that what is of the mind (data)affects what is of the material(mechanical)

or not ?
 Quoting: metaskeleton


what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
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No, this place, inside the simulation, is the digital environment. The world outside the simulation is analogue.

I find it interesting that you automatically assumed that digital is better. Granted, if you want to fit a lot into a small space, digital works well, but nothing can beat a real analogue "vibration". Most will never know the difference.
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thats interesting

i assumed that you thought it would be digital for the reason you assumed i didtounge

understood

however , the case could be made that the digital is finer and thus has a greater ability of producing affects with greater subtlety.....

.....afterall it is accepted that what is of the mind (data)affects what is of the material(mechanical)

or not ?
 Quoting: metaskeleton


what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
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How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

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Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus:
Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation
Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain.
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thats interesting

i assumed that you thought it would be digital for the reason you assumed i didtounge

understood

however , the case could be made that the digital is finer and thus has a greater ability of producing affects with greater subtlety.....

.....afterall it is accepted that what is of the mind (data)affects what is of the material(mechanical)

or not ?
 Quoting: metaskeleton


what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
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How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
 Quoting: Tantalus


absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
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How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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Localize the output to your own form and rely upon the transcendant aspect of consciousness to provide feedback.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66331863


How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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Localize the output to your own form and rely upon the transcendant aspect of consciousness to provide feedback.
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what if the "form" is the consciousness ?popcorn
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what came first, digital or analogue? I am inclined to believe that analogue came first. Digital then came along attempting to emulate analogue.

Now imagine, a level above analogue. That is the world outside the simulation.

Mind you, the digital/analogue comparison was only used for lack of a better common frame of reference and may not entirely accurately describe the concept I am attempting to convey.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66331863


How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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I believe you are describing the need for faith, for lack of a better term.
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absolutely , digital is a creation of man and hence proceeds after teh analogue

however , considering microbiology and genetics , these are rough equivalences of binary information theory......

.....and yes , there is an inteligent forc ethat operates upon these component parts , that is not of its nature

what could be called mind or spirit , these are the true movers of the building blocks

as i understand it , what you are saying is that it would be a complete simulation that would be impossible to distinguish until such time as the "immortal" programmers chose to remove you from it?
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How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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I believe you are describing the need for faith, for lack of a better term.
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yes , in a way

you are bound by your senses and their effectual manifestations until you overcome them ,

see?
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How does one comparitively distinguish something via the scientific method without a scientific control.

But... yes, that is what I am saying. I should probably add that the immortals are some type of future humans, or even post-human. I am unsure if humans simply acquiring the ability to greatly extend their own lives could qualify them as being described as "post-human".
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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Localize the output to your own form and rely upon the transcendant aspect of consciousness to provide feedback.
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what if the "form" is the consciousness ?popcorn
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You develop triparte transcendant metaconsciousness. Duh.
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empiricism necessitates qualitative affects

a control necessitates a stable empirical continuity

what if the objective observer of affects proceeding from a control is not only irrelevant but not possible in such realities?
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Localize the output to your own form and rely upon the transcendant aspect of consciousness to provide feedback.
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what if the "form" is the consciousness ?popcorn
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You develop triparte transcendant metaconsciousness. Duh.
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toungesilly me

and is this of those in the simulation or the immortals reality or something else ? popcorn
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Localize the output to your own form and rely upon the transcendant aspect of consciousness to provide feedback.
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what if the "form" is the consciousness ?popcorn
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You develop triparte transcendant metaconsciousness. Duh.
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toungesilly me

and is this of those in the simulation or the immortals reality or something else ? popcorn
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Correct.
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No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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No more interest, hey?
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--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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Do you see... this is why it is the way it is.

No morbid mortal doom, no interest.

Enjoy your reality.
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Perhaps true

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We All Might Be Living in an Infinite Hologram

Quarks and leptons , the building blocks of matter, are staggeringly small. Even the largest quarks are only about an attometer (a billionth of a billionth of a meter) in diameter. But zoom in closer—a billion times more—past zeptometers and yoctometers, to where the units run out of names. Then keep going, a hundred million times smaller still, and you finally hit bottom: This is the Planck length, approximately 1.6 x 10-35 meters, believed by physicists to be the shortest possible length in the universe. Beyond this point, they say, the very notion of distance becomes meaningless....


Probing down to the Planck scale with a particle accelerator would take an instrument the size of our galaxy. But scientists at Fermilab, near Chicago, have a surprisingly modest new device called the Holometer that just might yield some clues. Using a pair of solid state lasers and some precisely polished mirrors, they hope to pick up the telltale jitter of those hypothetical pixels—what’s called “holographic noise,” after the fuzziness of holograms. If they find it? Welcome to the Matrix.





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