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INMARSAT SATELLITE DATA FOR MH370 SHOWS DATA FOR THREE PLANES UPDATE PAGE 5: EIGHT PLANES IN INMARSAT DATA EIGHT PLANES

 
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The BFO being altitude - only refers to C Channel/ Mode - not other modes such as P or T Channel.


If the transponder receives a Mode A interrogation, it transmits the squawk code, as set by the pilot. If it receives a Mode C interrogation, it transmits the altitude code, as supplied by the encoder. It's important to understand that AT NO TIME does the transponder send both. It's one or the other, if the ground station sends a Mode A interrogation, the transponder replies with a string of pulses that are the squawk code only. If a Mode C interrogation, the reply is altitude only.



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The C Channel seems associated with pressure/altitude - if anyone can figure it out.


C=Channel data here and in appendixes on pages 41-47 of this doc:

[link to www.dca.gov.my]


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The following is a rough map:

[link to i.imgur.com]


First - in black we have a flight path from east vietnam south china sea to Belitung - Java area - we have pings from the plane P600-0-36FC at 2.25am and at 8.19am and no others though they most likely exist - this plane is a decoy. I have put a broken line to show it could have come from KL.

Between 2.25am and 8.19am we do not know where it was and could have returned to KL or Malaysia or other places before pinging off Belitung at 8.19am.


The purple cross indicates the possible dumping of another plane - potentially a twin of 9M MRO for the purpose of saying that the plane crashed on its scheduled route.



The red line is 9M-MRO MH370 - this plane I have placed originating at KL then going north; it did not leave the mainland until much later and ended up in the sea in the Gulf of Thailand. This plane is P10500𥥧86B and is the one I think is responsible for the C-Channel messages - indicating low altitude density - no oxygen at 2.39am over Malaysia mainland and low altitude at 7.14am


The plane P10500桹3859 flew in over the Gulf of Thailand - illustrated on data not included by Malaysia or Australia - but nevertheless Inmarsat data - it flew down to KL and picked up the tail number of MH370 - this plane may have flown to IGARI then turned and come back in to meet MH370 on the Malaysia mainland while another plane flew on on the scheduled course - or more than one other.

It is possible this plane met with 9M-MRO on the mainland or that passengers were transferred to this plane before this plane then headed back to Thailand.


All of this information fits the data and info we have.


My bearings - which are not accurately recording on this map may be slightly out for a number of reasons - one of which is that between midnight and official take off - we seem to have readings for both Kuala Lumpur International Airport and also for Sultan Bin Aziz Airport which is also an international airport - about 40-50kms north and a 7-10 kms west of KL.


As this was a planned op - MH370 may not have been carrying as much fuel as expected and this would have made other airport landings possible.

We know that this plane only began to ping at 2.25am in the north of Malaysia and ceased all pings in the sea of the Gulf of Thailand between 8.19am and 9.16am


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I think that Inmarsat must have a highly reliable level of accuracy as they have just launched their proton breeze satellite to monitor US airspace.


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Hey. :)



Is there anyone here familiar with Gillham Code?


We need to figure out if C-Channel is transponder C-Mode. If it is the readings will be with reference to Gillham Code


[link to web.archive.org]


the reasons this would make sense:


the times the C-Channel is released: 2.39/ 2.40am and 7.13/14/15am - from memory.


If the readings are altitude - this also would make sense - as the ones at 2.39am would indicate low altitude density - which I think also means low oxygen in the plane - it is to do with barometer/ pressure/ altitude issue

then the later reading would be correct re: low altitude - between 300/500 feet - potentially in the sea - in the waves.



What I need to know:


where the Gillham code shows (on the above link) measurements such as


-1200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0040

-1100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0060

-1000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0020


so for -1200 is 0040

-1100 is 0060

-1000 is 0020


what would the readings be for say "-1150" i.e. in between the readings quoted on the list.


Is it possible to get readings in between the listed readings - or does Gillham code only work when certain readings are attained.



If someone could speak to an avionics expert perhaps.


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[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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Is it possible that at 2.39am/2.40am - the plane hit the sea?

[link to aviation.stackexchange.com]


Low density altitudes mean your engine generates more power, and your wings generate more lift. Everything is better with low density altitudes, right?
The potential danger in low density altitudes is that your engine generates more power than it can handle. Even without exceeding the maximum rated RPM and manifold pressure, you can exceed the rated power of an engine under low density altitude conditions.

At low temperatures the air becomes denser. At standard sea level conditions air has a temperature of 15 degrees Celcius and a density of 1.225 kg per cubic meter. When the temperature is -30 degrees Celcius, the density increases to 1.452 kg per cubic meter. The equivalent altitude where this density is found under standard atmosphere conditions would be about -5900 ft. This is called the density altitude.

When air with these properties enters the combustion chamber of your engine and is combusted to the normal exhaust temperature it expands (increases in pressure) far more that air normally would, resulting in excessive power.

This FAA paper on Winter Flying Tips says the following about the risks associated with low density altitudes:

Do not overboost supercharged engines. This is easy to do because at very low density altitude, the engine "thinks" it is operating as much as 8,000 feet below sea level in certain situations.

This would have happened minutes after the confirmation that MH370 had reached East coast of Vietnam and was on schedule on scheduled root and 3/4 minutes before UTapao milit air and naval base in south Thailand contacted US embassy in Beijing with the coded message that they had received an SOS from MH370 - and also at this point - P-3859 was very close by before heading back up to Thailand.


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Is it possible that at 2.39am/2.40am - the plane hit the sea?

[link to aviation.stackexchange.com]


Low density altitudes mean your engine generates more power, and your wings generate more lift. Everything is better with low density altitudes, right?
The potential danger in low density altitudes is that your engine generates more power than it can handle. Even without exceeding the maximum rated RPM and manifold pressure, you can exceed the rated power of an engine under low density altitude conditions.

At low temperatures the air becomes denser. At standard sea level conditions air has a temperature of 15 degrees Celcius and a density of 1.225 kg per cubic meter. When the temperature is -30 degrees Celcius, the density increases to 1.452 kg per cubic meter. The equivalent altitude where this density is found under standard atmosphere conditions would be about -5900 ft. This is called the density altitude.

When air with these properties enters the combustion chamber of your engine and is combusted to the normal exhaust temperature it expands (increases in pressure) far more that air normally would, resulting in excessive power.

This FAA paper on Winter Flying Tips says the following about the risks associated with low density altitudes:

Do not overboost supercharged engines. This is easy to do because at very low density altitude, the engine "thinks" it is operating as much as 8,000 feet below sea level in certain situations.

This would have happened minutes after the confirmation that MH370 had reached East coast of Vietnam and was on schedule on scheduled root and 3/4 minutes before U-Tapao milit air and naval base in south Thailand contacted US embassy in Beijing with the coded message that they had received an SOS from MH370 - and also at this point - P-3859 was very close by before heading back up to Thailand.


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another quote from the above link:

"Since the temperature is very low, the density altitude is much lower than the pressure altitude. DA is not pressure under these circumstances. You can have sea level pressure with temperatures below 30 degrees Celcius, resulting in a density altitude of -6000 ft"



Has other C-Channel data been removed from the findings - or is this really all we have: potentially - low density altitude at 2.39am and then low altitude at 7.14am


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8. Altitudes reported by Mode C Transponders

Most ultralight aircraft do not have transponders. Typically, only those that are operated in or near the airspace around major airports have them.

A transponder is an electronic unit on an aircraft that actively communicates with the radar used by ATC. Whereas ordinary radar functions by receiving reflected waves from the target, a transponder actually transmits a signal back to the radar transmitter. This improves the sensitivity of the system tremendously and allows the use of much lower radar transmitter power.

The transponder has a provision for setting a four-digit code that serves to identify the plane. The generic code for VFR flights is 1200. However, an IFR flight or a VFR flight that is using flight following or is operating under ATC control in a radar service area will be assigned an individual code.

The code is called the "squawk." The controller might say something like "Altimeter 30.14, winds 340 at 15 knots, squawk 1234." This means we are to set 1234 as the code in the transponder. That is our number, and we are 1234.

Mode A transponders were the first developed and only communicate position (along with the squawk). Mode C transponders are capable of reporting the altitude of the plane as well as its position. This enables the controllers to form a detailed picture of the planes showing on the screen.

Altitude reporting transponders are calibrated to report "pressure altitude." That is, the "altimeter" associated with the transponder is permanently set for 29.92 in/Hg, the sea-level standard. Once the reported altitude is received on the ground, the reported altitude is then adjusted for the local barometric pressure, corrected to sea level, of course. This way, the pilot does not have to worry about setting the barometric pressure in the transponder, and at the same time, the system is not subject to errors that a pilot might make in setting the pressure.

The bottom line is that a pilot doesn't have to set a barometric pressure on a transponder.



If the C-Channel readings refer to C-Mode on the transponder - we are getting somewhere.


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If this is so - then it means that BFO gives a north to south reading on all channels - except on C-Channel - where it gives altitude - and if the reading is translated as negative - then this means - low density altitude - such as very high in the cold (where oxygen must be supplied - which is why i put that 2 and 2 together before - ...) or very cold or with engines operating below sea level... engines trying too hard against pressure to gain wing-lift ???


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i have added notes and comments in caps:



MH370: Recorded Communication Between 1.38AM And 6.14AM On March 8

The actions taken between 1.38am and 6.14am on Saturday, 8 March.

I have taken this extract:

1. 01:38:19: Ho Chi Minh (HCM) first enquired about MH370, informed KL-ATCC ((Kuala Lumpur Air Traffic Control Centre) that verbal contact was not established with MH370 and radar target was last seen at BITOD.

2. 01:41:21: KL-ATCC informed HCM that after IGARI, MH370 did not return to Lumpur frequency. LUMPUR FREQUENCY S NOT THE SAME AS MAS OPS

3. 01:46:46: HCM queried about MH370 again, stating that radar contact was established over IGARI but there was no verbal contact. Ho Chi Minh advised that the observed radar blip disappeared at waypoint BITOD.

4. 01:50:28: KL-ATCC queried HCM if any contact with MH370. HCM抯 reply was 'negative'.

5. 01:57:02: HCM informed KL-ATCC that there was officially no contact with MH370 until this time. Attempts on many frequencies and aircraft in the vicinity received no response from MH370.

6. 02:03:48: KL-ATCC queried HCM on status MH370. HCM confirmed there was no radar contact at this time and no verbal communications was established. KL-ATCC relayed the information received from Malaysia Airlines OPS that aircraft was in Cambodian airspace.

7. 02:07:00: HCM queried for confirmation that MH370 was in Phnom Penh FIR. KL-ATCC requested to check further with the supervisor. THIS MEANS FLIGHT INFORMATION REGION - PHNOM PENH IS CAMBODIAN CAPITAL

8. 02:11:37: HCM queried on status but KL-ATCC has no update.

9. [02:15] [no voice recording]:(extracted from Watch Supervisor抯 Log Book) KL-ATCC Watch Supervisor queried Malaysia Airlines OPS who informed that MH370 was able to exchange signals with the flight and flying in Cambodian airspace.

10. 02:18:53

: KL-ATCC queried if flight planned routing of MH370 was supposed to enter Cambodian airspace. HCM confirmed that planned route was only through Vietnamese airspace. HCM had checked and Cambodia advised that it had no information or contact with MH370.

HCM confirmed earlier information that radar contact was lost after BITOD and radio contact was never established.

KL-ATCC queried if HCM was taking Radio Failure action but the query didn抰 seem to be understood by the personnel.

HCM suggested KL-ATCC to call MAS OPS and was advised that it had already been done.

WE NOW SKIP FORWARD 16 MINUTES AND WE KNOW IN THIS TIME SPAN MAS OPS SAID THEY GOT A BEARING ON MH370 EAST OF VIETNAM AND THAT MH370 APPEARS IN SATELLITE DATA 7 MINUTES INTO THIS TIME SPAN AT 2.25AM

11. 02:34:01: Watch Supervisor KL-ATCC enquired with MAS OPS Centre about communication status with MH370 but the personnel was unsure if the message went through successfully or not.

12. 02:35:03 :HCM queried about status of MH370 and was informed that the Watch Supervisor was talking to the company at this time.

13. 02:35:54: MAS OPS Centre informed KL-ATCC MH370 in normal condition based on signal download giving coordinate N14.90000 E109 15 00 at time 1833 UTC.

14. 02:37:36 :KL-ATCC relayed to HCM the latitude and longitude as advised by Malaysian Airlines Operations.


THIS IS 90 SECONDS BEFORE C-CHANNEL STARTS FLURRYING ON MH370 - SOME SAY THIS WAS A SATELLITE CALL ATTEMPT - WE DO NOT KNOW THIS AS THERE IS NO RECORD IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT THIS IS WHEN A SATELLITE PHONE CONTACT ATTEMPT WAS MADE


15. 02:53:51 :MH386 was requested by HCM to try to establish contact with MH370 on Lumpur radar frequency. KL-ATCC then requested MH386 to try on emergency frequencies as well.

16. [03:30] (no voice recording): (extract from Watch Supervisor抯 Log Book) MAS OPS Centre informed KL-ATCC that the flight tracker information was based on flight projection and not reliable for aircraft positioning.


THIS IS WHEN MAS OPS SAID THEY DID NOT IN FACT DOWNLOAD A BEARING FOR MH370 BUT ESTIMATED ONE - I THINK THIS IS A LIE AS OTHER EVIDENCE WILL SHOW.


The following are quotes from the article linked below them:

The missing Malaysian Airlines may have entered Cambodian airspace, as the report stated that "MH370 was able to exchange signals with the flight and flying in Cambodian airspace," even though Cambodian authorities declined having made any contact with the flight. The report also did not divulge details of the other flight which communicated with MH370 after it deviated from its path.

The pilot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that they were indeed able to contact the MH370 cockpit, but that the communication was blurred due to interference. THIS IS THE PILOT ALSO IN CAMBODIA AIRSPACE

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30 am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace," the pilot was quoted as saying by the New Strait Times.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection."

The pilot noted that the conversation could have been heard by any other plane or even ships in the area, provided they had tuned in to the same frequency.

The newspaper did not mention the 'area' MH370 could have been flying over, but the Malaysian report says that the plane-to-plane contact was made when the wayward plane was over Cambodian airspace.

[link to www.ibtimes.co.uk]

PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE LAST SENTENCE QUOTED ABOVE - THE "WAYWARD" PLANE MENTIONED IS REFERRING TO MH370

MORE QUOTES AD LINK:

The final radio conversations between the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and air traffic controllers covers a timespan of nearly one hour.

The recordings begin while the aircraft is still on the ground at Kuala Lumpur airport and continue to the moment one of the pilots signs-off with the words "Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero."

01:38:19 Ho Chi Minh first enquired about MH370, informed KL-ATCC that verbal contact was not established with MH370 and radar target was last seen at BITOD
01:41:21 KL-ATCC informed HCM that after IGARI, MH370 did not return to Lumpur frequency
01:46:46 HCM queried about MH370 again, stating that radar contact was established over IGARI but there was no verbal contact. Ho Chi Minh advised that the observed radar blip disappeared at waypoint BITOD

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

PLEASE NOTE A SHARP TURN LEFT - TO THE WEST WAS REPORTED EVERYWHERE - A TURN LEFT THEN A TURN NORTH - PLEASE LOOK AT A MAP AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE LEFT FOLLOWED BY THE RIGHT LED TO THE ANDAMANS - A LEFT TO THE WEST FOLLOWED BY A TURN NORTH - OVER A SLIGHTLY SHORTER DISTANCE WOULD TAKE YOU INTO THE GULF OF THAILAND - MAP FOLLOWS - IF I FORGET REMIND ME - HERE:

[link to www.ekantipur.com]

PLEASE NOTE ON THE MAP - KL IS POINT 1 POINT 2 IS THE TURN LEFT - WEST - POINT 3 IS THE TURN NORTH - THE ACTUAL POSITIONS OF THESE NUMBERS ON THE MAP IS THAT THEY ARE IN THE GULF OF THAILAND - THIS AREA WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY SEARCHED

MORE QUOTES:

when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.

[link to www.craigmurray.org.uk (secure)]



Mode C is triggered in an aircraft by a ground pulse from an SSR radar head. If the aircraft is outside any SSR range then the transponder will not send out any pulses.

[link to www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk]

SSR off Cambodia = SAMOG / LEMOK/ SURAT THANI / RAYONG / KOH KONG / RELIP- cross - ref - UTapao/ Bangkok CHECK RADAR CODE

[link to www.worldairops.com]

[link to www.icao.int]


I HAVE LISTED ALL POSSIBLE SSR RADAR HEADS IN THE AREA - THESE ARE THE ONES WHICH WOULD HAVE PICKED UP THE C-CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS AT 2.25AM AND 7.14AM - PLEASE REMIND ME TO CROSS REFERENCE THESE WITH THE R-CHANNEL DATA ON THE INMARSAT PUBLISHED DATA - WE NEED TO MATCH THE DATA TO AN SSR

I CANNOT FIND A MAP SHOWING CAMBODIAN AIRSPACE

SHORT RANGE RADAR MAP

[link to www.worldaffairsboard.com]



According to the timeline released on Thursday, it took MA 95 minutes to inform air traffic controllers that its position report was based on a projected flight path and may not be reliable.

[link to cybersecurity-intelligence.com]



2.5 Delay in the activation of the KL ARCC was partially contributed to conflicting reports
received from Malaysia Airlines, that the aircraft was still flying based on their flight tracking system
and reports on the media indicating that MH370 had landed safely in Nanning airport in China. Upon
further queries and investigation, these reports were found to be baseless and inaccurate. Precious
time was wasted pursuing these unfounded reports.

[link to www.icao.int]

I THINK THIS IS THE DOC WHICH SHOWS AND DEFINES SEARCH AREAS - PLEASE LOOK AND SEE NO ONE EVER LOOKED IN GULF OF THAILAND DESPITE IT BEING REPEAREDLY REPORTED MH370 WAS LAST THERE

PLEASE NOTE IN THIS OFFICIAL DOCUMENT - THEY SAY THAT REPORTS ABOUT CAMBODIAN AIRSPACE WASTED TIME - REALLY? WHO WAS THE AUTHORITY ON THAT? PLEASE NOTE - IT SAYS TIME WAS WASTED BECAUSE MH370 WAS REPORTED TO HAVE LANDED IN NANNING - PLEASE NOTICE THE PLANE AT 14.5N 109E WHOSE DATA WAS DOWNLOADED AND WHICH LATER PINGED FROM BELITUNG - MAY WELL HAVE LANDED IN NANNING - DIVERTED HERE INSTEAD OF TO HAINAN RE: SCHEDULED DIVERSION TO CHECK CARGO

Nanning Airport

[link to www.google.co.uk (secure)]

HERE IS THE COCKPIT TRANSCRIPT AGAIN - PLEASE NOTE ALL THE GOOD MORNINGS AND GOOD NIGHTS - AND THE CANCEL SID - CANCEL FLIGHT PATH


[link to www.theguardian.com]


WE DO NOT KNOW WHICH PLANE TOOK OFF FROM KL AND WHICH ONE MAY HAVE TURNED LEFT AT BITOD - ENTERING CAMBODIAN AIRSPACE ??? IT SEEMS IT WAS NOT MH370 BUT IF MH370 HAD LEFT WITHOUT A TAIL OR WITH INFO REMOVED FROM DATA OR CONCEALED IN OTHER DATA AND WAS FLYING NORTH TO GULF - IT MAY HAVE BEEN INTERCEPTED BY THIS DEVIATING PLANE OVER THE GULF - WHICH THEN CONTINUED NORTH - WE DO NOT KNOW
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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf


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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf


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I enjoyed that. I can work without encouragement as I am naturally curious and averse to nasty things - but acknowledgement is always lovely.


Thank you.


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I was trying to be quiet and keep listening as to not interrupt your phenomenal work.
I didn't want to interrupt. At first it was confusing for me to follow some of it. I kind of just decided to take your word on some of the math. But I do get most of it clearly now. I am learning a lot. For that Thank You so much.
Can I ask you some questions? I would love to hear your opinion. If you don't mind? Do you think it will be possible to locate it's exact resting place at impact? Or is it only possible to track it to the point of decent?
Last one is a hypothetical question. Say someone thought they had some promising coordinates do you think it would be wiser to look for the plane or just indications of a plane crash? Feel free to ignore me if it is a bother to your work. I would understand.
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I was trying to be quiet and keep listening as to not interrupt your phenomenal work.
I didn't want to interrupt. At first it was confusing for me to follow some of it. I kind of just decided to take your word on some of the math. But I do get most of it clearly now. I am learning a lot. For that Thank You so much.
Can I ask you some questions? I would love to hear your opinion. If you don't mind? Do you think it will be possible to locate it's exact resting place at impact? Or is it only possible to track it to the point of decent?
Last one is a hypothetical question. Say someone thought they had some promising coordinates do you think it would be wiser to look for the plane or just indications of a plane crash? Feel free to ignore me if it is a bother to your work. I would understand.
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Please - talk to me - ask me questions - anything - I am happy to chat about it - of course.


I can see exactly where my maths is out - but I have shown how i worked it - so hoped other geniuses would cross the Ts and dot the Is do to speak.

To answer your questions there: i think the TOMNOD sat pics of debris said to be in the Thai Gulf - probably have exact locations attached to them.


There was a note saying the scattering of the debris was not normal - commensurate with tidal drift - ocean directional flow type thing - as though it had been scattered - made me think - naval ship.


I believe that with the plane dumped SOUTH of Vietnam - decoy dump - this was collected on the 8Th - oil slick and ships in area - the rest drifted and ignored as not MH370


I believe there is a strong case to say that the plane down in Gulf of Thailand has also been collected - at least to some extent - bodies - debris most certainly. If it is deep and the mass went under - or if the fire in the TOMNOD sat pics left remnant - then perhaps there is some. I haven't investigated the ocean depth there.

Please feel free to join the thread and add any info you find - I don't know how to get the TOMNOD sat coordinates for example - and sometimes we can work math backwards - so long as it fits - then it is acceptable.

For example - I was reading last night the expert opinions and I was flabbergasted to see them say things like: well obviously the readings at 2.25am and 7.15am are anomalies and can be disregarded - let's go look down by Australia - while in the same breath accepting the BTO was accurate for KL - WHAT IS THAT????????????

If all the info fits - we have an answer - I won't change my dodgy math to fit - but hopefully people can see it is dodgy to a certain amount all over - so then you can adjust it all by an equal amount all over - and if a reasonable picture is gained - then the math can be re-calibrated - if you see what I mean.


We are short of the data from Inmarsat - which others have selected from.

We are short of professional explanation - in truth for data and meaning - such as the true meaning of C-Channel when it is written on the data doc - I read last night about the satellite calls and the dude's reasoning seemed off to me - I will at some point get round to referring to other things crossing my path - such as that.

I like to get input and discussion - because sometimes it is the tiniest detail which triggers enlightenment and exposes truths - thank you for coming by and talking to me.



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I was trying to be quiet and keep listening as to not interrupt your phenomenal work.
I didn't want to interrupt. At first it was confusing for me to follow some of it. I kind of just decided to take your word on some of the math. But I do get most of it clearly now. I am learning a lot. For that Thank You so much.
Can I ask you some questions? I would love to hear your opinion. If you don't mind? Do you think it will be possible to locate it's exact resting place at impact? Or is it only possible to track it to the point of decent?
Last one is a hypothetical question. Say someone thought they had some promising coordinates do you think it would be wiser to look for the plane or just indications of a plane crash? Feel free to ignore me if it is a bother to your work. I would understand.
 Quoting: Tin Head




Sorry - i didn't answer your other question - it depends how deep the water is and who and who or what is prepared to fund a search for what is obviously being covered up right now. Also I don't know about current drift - if the Cambodia coastline would be a place to look - maybe too late now - people's findings may have been disregarded or hushed up.


Inside me - I think -- if.... some people say they can pick out people in the sat pics - I am not that good with sat pics - they say there are people alive on the debris... if just one - just one of those people survived and made it into safe hands - then that is a time bomb ticking and this whole thing will explode - a witness would be in deep mortal danger - with governments prepared to pay vast amounts to shut them up.


Please - if you don;t understand my math - I will do it slowly for you - any of it - and you may be able to correct or help me.


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[link to en.wikipedia.org]


average depth - 45metres -


max depth - 80 metres


but who could be trusted to perform an honest search?



I would estimate that a clean up job at these depths would have been relatively easy to carry out.

The plane would have been designed to resist pressure far deeper than this - and perhaps this is why people feel they saw living survivors in the satellite pictures by TOMNOD - there was undoubtedly a huge fire with lots of smoke.


The plane may have survived impact fairly well - a surface landing may even have been attempted - and maybe resulted in some fracturing - I looked through the sat images - and there were people circled in dingies; I can't say that I saw this clearly but i saw what people were saying were people in dingies and on debris - I did see the fire and smoke - that was unmistakable.


There must be something there - even after all this time -


there would be a lot of divers in that area - but who would guarantee that even a volunteer team would go unassaulted - with UTapao so close by... for example - with maybe naval vessels ploughing through and stuff.


I believe the truth is there for us to discover if we look carefully and in the right places.


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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf
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I enjoyed that. I can work without encouragement as I am naturally curious and averse to nasty things - but acknowledgement is always lovely.


Thank you.


:)
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^^ That is what it is all about; Curiosity.

You do a fantastic job OP - and its importance can only be underestimated.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. Never lose a holy curiosity. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein
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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf
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I enjoyed that. I can work without encouragement as I am naturally curious and averse to nasty things - but acknowledgement is always lovely.


Thank you.


:)
 Quoting: plus 62177727


^^ That is what it is all about; Curiosity.

You do a fantastic job OP - and its importance can only be underestimated.
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Thank you so much. That has touched my heart. I knew that brainy people somewhere would be able to read through my dodgy pinpoint maps and shortened posts. I thought if I posted up reams and reams of maths and maps it would defer from what I was trying to show and put people off.

We need test flights which enable us to clarify every iota of data; which identify every R-Channel - every SSR Radar head; (as they appear in data) the nature of every communication - so analysis can be immediate - and understood by the many - not the few. We need enhanced protocol methods at times of incident and during ongoing incidents. We need companies like Inmarsat to hook up with ATC centres such that print-outs of data can be immediate - perhaps even including translations of BTO and BFO to location: I know we have software writers out there who can do this.

Inmarsat have been very helpful and have agreed to track every flight free of charge and I have no doubt they would work willingly in a project to determine everything we need to know for the future, using test flights for Radar head identification as it appears in data - satellite calls - C-Channel data references etc. Then a bit of training for ground-staff everywhere to know how to view the data simply and easily.

It would be great if transponders could also ping between each other - showing distance/ range - other craft in the vicinity so data can be collated from more than one tangent - should another, for some reason, fail.

And we need transparency: we need people to feel they can speak up openly: we have a Malaysian pilot and a Cambodian pilot - both only speaking under anonymity: they need to be interviewed as publicly as possible - revealing as much data and info as they know. The US official who saw data showing a co-ordinate set for the left turn 12 minutes prior to the turn - where is he - what data was this? Was this between 2.27am/ 2.39am?

etc etc.


We cannot let 239 people and all their families and loved ones be destroyed for the sake of any type of co-ordinated operation - for any reason - followed by millions worth of phoney/ goosechase search and rescue.


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Get over it, this plane crashed.

In a deep ocean and will never be found.

Sorry, they don't need dead planes for their agenda.
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Spoken like a true Texas gas man. Believe it or not, at some point you may find having a narrow world view to be very disconcerting indeed.
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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf
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I enjoyed that. I can work without encouragement as I am naturally curious and averse to nasty things - but acknowledgement is always lovely.


Thank you.


:)
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^^ That is what it is all about; Curiosity.

You do a fantastic job OP - and its importance can only be underestimated.
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Well said! Have you ever noticed intelligent people generally attract and will be surrounded by other intelligent people?
It is said that a grateful heart never gets depressed.
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Sorry if this is too corny but I don't see anyone else giving you encouragement. hf
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I enjoyed that. I can work without encouragement as I am naturally curious and averse to nasty things - but acknowledgement is always lovely.


Thank you.


:)
 Quoting: plus 62177727


^^ That is what it is all about; Curiosity.

You do a fantastic job OP - and its importance can only be underestimated.
 Quoting: redhouserebel


Well said! Have you ever noticed intelligent people generally attract and will be surrounded by other intelligent people?
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Hi MUSE, there are so many different kinds of intelligence and it is good for many forms to be recognised; we all have our own special skills and if mine are curiosity and caring and some benefit has come from that in any small manner, then I feel honoured as a human being - to have been me. So when I say you guys have touched my heart - I do not say it lightly at all.


The person who took the time to figure out what I was trying to say with the maths - wow - thank you all.


Oh for a diver's licence and a ticket to Cambodia! ;)



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Thanks for your response. I know a very small bit truly, but I am somewhat familiar with the site and used tomnod frequently. If you search around on tomnod. The only Advice I can offer with confidence is 1 silly way to get the latitude or longitude. Use your address bar at the top of your screen. Wile on the image you need the info for. Only change the word (challenge) to (api)in the address, leave the rest www.tom.....there. change just that one word to api. You get an error message that will show the latitude and longitude for the square you were searching. It is strange ,but it works. I am sure there is a more computer savvy way to do it. But, it works if you need to know the latitude and longitude your looking at.

I will double check but I think all tomnod images are through somewhere like digital globe or something close to that. I will investigate the possibility of obtaining the images from them and get back to you.
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Thanks for your response. I know a very small bit truly, but I am somewhat familiar with the site and used tomnod frequently. If you search around on tomnod. The only Advice I can offer with confidence is 1 silly way to get the latitude or longitude. Use your address bar at the top of your screen. Wile on the image you need the info for. Only change the word (challenge) to (api)in the address, leave the rest www.tom.....there. change just that one word to api. You get an error message that will show the latitude and longitude for the square you were searching. It is strange ,but it works. I am sure there is a more computer savvy way to do it. But, it works if you need to know the latitude and longitude your looking at.

I will double check but I think all tomnod images are through somewhere like digital globe or something close to that. I will investigate the possibility of obtaining the images from them and get back to you.
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Someone has already done it - they have screenshotted all the debris and sat images - including the fire and smoke - highly visible - it is on some sites and youtube - thousands of images of the debris - but hard to find by googling - i will do a search in a little while - it is quite chilling. I have not done a deep research into what I saw - but recently saw something about - the images were first released with the coordinates wrong - but now they are said to be in the Gulf of Thailand. Before the later announcement it seemed there must have been more than one plane dump and I was confused - I have not checked all this out personally but apparently the pictures are verified as being unadulterated.

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Thanks for your response. I know a very small bit truly, but I am somewhat familiar with the site and used tomnod frequently. If you search around on tomnod. The only Advice I can offer with confidence is 1 silly way to get the latitude or longitude. Use your address bar at the top of your screen. Wile on the image you need the info for. Only change the word (challenge) to (api)in the address, leave the rest www.tom.....there. change just that one word to api. You get an error message that will show the latitude and longitude for the square you were searching. It is strange ,but it works. I am sure there is a more computer savvy way to do it. But, it works if you need to know the latitude and longitude your looking at.

I will double check but I think all tomnod images are through somewhere like digital globe or something close to that. I will investigate the possibility of obtaining the images from them and get back to you.
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Someone has already done it - they have screenshotted all the debris and sat images - including the fire and smoke - highly visible - it is on some sites and youtube - thousands of images of the debris - but hard to find by googling - i will do a search in a little while - it is quite chilling. I have not done a deep research into what I saw - but recently saw something about - the images were first released with the coordinates wrong - but now they are said to be in the Gulf of Thailand. Before the later announcement it seemed there must have been more than one plane dump and I was confused - I have not checked all this out personally but apparently the pictures are verified as being unadulterated.

xx
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I can't find the sites I saw all the info on - have looked on my history - but pfft - my history regularly gets altered - not by me - the key word used for the fire on the water - very clear and easily defined as a fire - as it was images of a fire and images of plumes of smoke - were "signal fire"

I have found this

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


this isn;t what I saw before which was thousands of screen grabs of obvious debris - seats - lots of - and a big fire - please help me search as this may be getting wiped - doesn't come up on my google search though i know other people covered what was found.


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I am trying to post info - and it isn't allowed to go thru


i will try to sort the issue tomorrow


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A Miracle: Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane MH370 Is Found Floating Intact with Survivors by Vietnamese Navy
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I am trying to post info - and it isn't allowed to go thru


i will try to sort the issue tomorrow


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A Miracle: Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane MH370 Is Found Floating Intact with Survivors by Vietnamese Navy
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Malaysia Airlines MH370 ... to Beijing and lost contact for 17 hours has been found by the Philippines search and rescue boats, according to Vietnam News Agency.

..... highly damaged, but remained intact. ... the plane was submersed under water, but the tail remain above the water. A small group of passengers and flight crews can be spotted huddling at the tail. ... dozen survivors are found floating with life vests one square kilometer from the plane.


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Also - is it possible the Russians have Satellite of this - not Inmarsat - including UAH heat readings?


I discovered the strangest message tonight. Not sure i should complicate the thread with it.

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I write a long post with lots of links - can't post - however

[link to i.imgur.com]


this was originally said to be in Indian Ocean just tot he west of malaysia - co-ords later said to be wrong - I don't know.


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Re - the final 3 ping sets for the 3 planes:



I reworked the figures using the following coorcinates for the KL runway - and placing KL at BTO 14800 and BFO 88 - not much difference really:

KUL Gate C1 2.748N 101.712E Runway 32R 揾old short 2.748N 101.722E - See more at: [link to www.themalaysianinsider.com]

- and taking the 14.5N , 109E reading as the BFO 273 BTO 51700 pings:


273 - 88 = 185 = 1307kms
1307/185= 7.0648648648 KM PER BFO PING
51700 - 14800 = 36900 = 783.5kms
783.5/36.9= 21.23306(233062331) KM PER BTO THOUSAND PINGS

FLIGHT P-3859
FINAL BFO 252
252-88=164
164x7.0648648648= 1158.6378(378378) km/N/KL


FINAL BTO 18040
18040-14800= 3240
3.24x 21.23306= 68.7951219512195km/E/KL

= 13.161N , 102.359E


FLIGHT P-386B
FINAL BFO 183
183-88=95
95x7.0648648648 = 671.162162156N

FINAL BTO 23000
23000-14800=8300
8.3x 21.23306 = 176.234398 km/E/KL

= 8.783N , 103.3251E


FLIGHT P-36FC
FINAL BFO -2
273(-273-2) = 275 south
275x 7.0648648648 = 1942.83783782KM/ south of 14.5N, 109E


FINAL BTO 49660
49660-14800= 34860
34.86x 21.23306 = 740.1844716KM/ KL/East
51700-49660= 2040
2.04x 21.23306 = 42.3154424KM/EAST of 14.5N, 109 E


= 2.97S , 108.62E


It is possible that none of these planes survived based on various intel from various sources - including someone on the internet posting sat pics of a crash near the Cambodian border - ??
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The oil rig worker has been interviewed and apparently says it was 1am malaysia time - that he saw the fire in the sky.


[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


Today's news.



He had gone to bed on the oil rig Songa Mercur, located off the coast of the Vietnamese town of Vung Tau, at his usual time of around 7pm.
'I got up at around midnight Vietnam Time, which is one hour ahead of Malaysian time, and wandered around to an area at the back as usual for a cigarette and a coffee. It was a beautiful night with good visibility because it had been raining, which always tends to clear the air.
'It would have been some time after 1am (Malaysian Time) that I saw a sudden glow of fire above the horizon, which caught my immediate attention, although, of course I could not have known whether it was definitely an aircraft or not.'


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