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Dearman (UK) -- Who Did It?

 
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What this case needs is some kind of Media-Jacking event.


Something that HAS to be covered by the BBC, but which only leads people to the videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68084286

LET ME BE CLEAR

NO MAIN-STREAM-MEDIA WILL COVER IT.

WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO COVER

-you know, like in cylce races where people chalk on the road
"Hello Mum" or something inane and it gets broadcast by the TV??

-or some crazy event that unfolds live to "Papa Kills babies"

-or someone grabbing the microphone from a reporter in mid-flght live on air and saying "google papa kills babies"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68115173


Not trying to be an arse -but why don't you take your phone camera and start asking the techers at the school questions on video?

I'd have thought at this point this would have been happening en masse?
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This was a child custody case, where the mother was trying to stop the father seeing his kids, out of spite, as usual.
And the new boyfriend was yelling at and hitting the kids and the kids and father made reports about this.
So the mother and the BF made this conspiracy up to try to get at the father in which the mother has now lost custody due to this being proven.
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This is what I believe probably happened. I've had this craziness happen in my life. Parental alienation is a start. This just sounds like an extreme case.

With that being said, I don't know the case. I just think it sounds outlandish, that they'd place the children with someone who really did these things that are being said. I think the mother probably made this stuff up.
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That would explain the father.... But what about the rest of the people involved ..There are so many all named by the children and also there are other named children involved ....It doesn't explain everything .
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What this case needs is some kind of Media-Jacking event.


Something that HAS to be covered by the BBC, but which only leads people to the videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68084286

LET ME BE CLEAR

NO MAIN-STREAM-MEDIA WILL COVER IT.

WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO COVER

-you know, like in cylce races where people chalk on the road
"Hello Mum" or something inane and it gets broadcast by the TV??

-or some crazy event that unfolds live to "Papa Kills babies"

-or someone grabbing the microphone from a reporter in mid-flght live on air and saying "google papa kills babies"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68115173


Not trying to be an arse -but why don't you take your phone camera and start asking the techers at the school questions on video?

I'd have thought at this point this would have been happening en masse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Because mainly the law over here is an arse .. You start asking questions , the cops get involved and DNA starts getting taken ,complaints followed by more complaints then "follow ups" by the social services on your children etc etc .. This Country isn't easy on people like that ,look what the people at the top do to whistleblowers ..This is 10 x worse and that's just questions ..
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
...eekerstard also
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What this case needs is some kind of Media-Jacking event.


Something that HAS to be covered by the BBC, but which only leads people to the videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68084286

LET ME BE CLEAR

NO MAIN-STREAM-MEDIA WILL COVER IT.

WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO COVER

-you know, like in cylce races where people chalk on the road
"Hello Mum" or something inane and it gets broadcast by the TV??

-or some crazy event that unfolds live to "Papa Kills babies"

-or someone grabbing the microphone from a reporter in mid-flght live on air and saying "google papa kills babies"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68115173


Not trying to be an arse -but why don't you take your phone camera and start asking the techers at the school questions on video?

I'd have thought at this point this would have been happening en masse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Because mainly the law over here is an arse .. You start asking questions , the cops get involved and DNA starts getting taken ,complaints followed by more complaints then "follow ups" by the social services on your children etc etc .. This Country isn't easy on people like that ,look what the people at the top do to whistleblowers ..This is 10 x worse and that's just questions ..
 Quoting: saviour12631


Citizens can ask questions.

that aint against any aw I know of - just ask "hey what are your responses to been called satanic pedophiles?"... I'm sure a picture or video will speak volumes, and may get more people on side in this.

You don't have to be rude or threatening - just civil (as a concerned citizen).
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LET ME BE CLEAR

NO MAIN-STREAM-MEDIA WILL COVER IT.

WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO COVER

-you know, like in cylce races where people chalk on the road
"Hello Mum" or something inane and it gets broadcast by the TV??

-or some crazy event that unfolds live to "Papa Kills babies"

-or someone grabbing the microphone from a reporter in mid-flght live on air and saying "google papa kills babies"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68115173


Not trying to be an arse -but why don't you take your phone camera and start asking the techers at the school questions on video?

I'd have thought at this point this would have been happening en masse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Because mainly the law over here is an arse .. You start asking questions , the cops get involved and DNA starts getting taken ,complaints followed by more complaints then "follow ups" by the social services on your children etc etc .. This Country isn't easy on people like that ,look what the people at the top do to whistleblowers ..This is 10 x worse and that's just questions ..
 Quoting: saviour12631


Citizens can ask questions.

that aint against any aw I know of - just ask "hey what are your responses to been called satanic pedophiles?"... I'm sure a picture or video will speak volumes, and may get more people on side in this.

You don't have to be rude or threatening - just civil (as a concerned citizen).
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I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...

Last Edited by saviour12631 on 02/21/2015 07:49 AM
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
...eekerstard also
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Not trying to be an arse -but why don't you take your phone camera and start asking the techers at the school questions on video?

I'd have thought at this point this would have been happening en masse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Because mainly the law over here is an arse .. You start asking questions , the cops get involved and DNA starts getting taken ,complaints followed by more complaints then "follow ups" by the social services on your children etc etc .. This Country isn't easy on people like that ,look what the people at the top do to whistleblowers ..This is 10 x worse and that's just questions ..
 Quoting: saviour12631


Citizens can ask questions.

that aint against any aw I know of - just ask "hey what are your responses to been called satanic pedophiles?"... I'm sure a picture or video will speak volumes, and may get more people on side in this.

You don't have to be rude or threatening - just civil (as a concerned citizen).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...
 Quoting: saviour12631


The difference in this is that you don't actually personally know these accused. As a concerned parent. As a libel lawyer looking to sue whoever defamed. And so on. So yes, probably the best way would be people who do not know these accused.


Again - everyone has a right to ask a question. Unless you perhaps live under ISIS or NK rule and so on.

Anyway, I would do that if i lived near the place. But that's probably just me.
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Because mainly the law over here is an arse .. You start asking questions , the cops get involved and DNA starts getting taken ,complaints followed by more complaints then "follow ups" by the social services on your children etc etc .. This Country isn't easy on people like that ,look what the people at the top do to whistleblowers ..This is 10 x worse and that's just questions ..
 Quoting: saviour12631


Citizens can ask questions.

that aint against any aw I know of - just ask "hey what are your responses to been called satanic pedophiles?"... I'm sure a picture or video will speak volumes, and may get more people on side in this.

You don't have to be rude or threatening - just civil (as a concerned citizen).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...
 Quoting: saviour12631


The difference in this is that you don't actually personally know these accused. As a concerned parent. As a libel lawyer looking to sue whoever defamed. And so on. So yes, probably the best way would be people who do not know these accused.


Again - everyone has a right to ask a question. Unless you perhaps live under ISIS or NK rule and so on.

Anyway, I would do that if i lived near the place. But that's probably just me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Honestly Aussie person you don wanna know UK at the moment ....I am looking at leaving this godforsaken place after a few probs are over and done with ...This isn't England or the UK anymore .....
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
...eekerstard also
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Citizens can ask questions.

that aint against any aw I know of - just ask "hey what are your responses to been called satanic pedophiles?"... I'm sure a picture or video will speak volumes, and may get more people on side in this.

You don't have to be rude or threatening - just civil (as a concerned citizen).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...
 Quoting: saviour12631


The difference in this is that you don't actually personally know these accused. As a concerned parent. As a libel lawyer looking to sue whoever defamed. And so on. So yes, probably the best way would be people who do not know these accused.


Again - everyone has a right to ask a question. Unless you perhaps live under ISIS or NK rule and so on.

Anyway, I would do that if i lived near the place. But that's probably just me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Honestly Aussie person you don wanna know UK at the moment ....I am looking at leaving this godforsaken place after a few probs are over and done with ...This isn't England or the UK anymore .....
 Quoting: saviour12631


Well whatever it IS, it seems people are afraid to do what is right, and that is the loss of purpose.

It's not about you, or me. It is about those kids (and others like them) that have been fearless themselves in bringing to light the heinous crimes that are occurring.

To sit back and let it continue, to succumb to fear, well I guess we get what we deserve.

Again, just a simple iphone camera - "Hi, I'm a concerned citizen - I just want to know if you are willing to talk about what you have been accused of?"

If no, fine on your way. If yes - well perhaps they can enlighten whats the deal.

It seems lack of courage, fear of 'been charged', or been killed perhaps even, would deter many.

Surely there's at least 1 man or woman (apart from just Sabine McNeill) willing to do this.

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I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...
 Quoting: saviour12631


The difference in this is that you don't actually personally know these accused. As a concerned parent. As a libel lawyer looking to sue whoever defamed. And so on. So yes, probably the best way would be people who do not know these accused.


Again - everyone has a right to ask a question. Unless you perhaps live under ISIS or NK rule and so on.

Anyway, I would do that if i lived near the place. But that's probably just me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


Honestly Aussie person you don wanna know UK at the moment ....I am looking at leaving this godforsaken place after a few probs are over and done with ...This isn't England or the UK anymore .....
 Quoting: saviour12631


Well whatever it IS, it seems people are afraid to do what is right, and that is the loss of purpose.

It's not about you, or me. It is about those kids (and others like them) that have been fearless themselves in bringing to light the heinous crimes that are occurring.

To sit back and let it continue, to succumb to fear, well I guess we get what we deserve.

Again, just a simple iphone camera - "Hi, I'm a concerned citizen - I just want to know if you are willing to talk about what you have been accused of?"

If no, fine on your way. If yes - well perhaps they can enlighten whats the deal.

It seems lack of courage, fear of 'been charged', or been killed perhaps even, would deter many.

Surely there's at least 1 man or woman (apart from just Sabine McNeill) willing to do this.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68234635


I wish I could but like you said fear (but not of death I died a long time ago) is what keeps the British Public quiet ..Now again also as you said if there was a group I would willingly join up .

Last Edited by saviour12631 on 02/21/2015 08:35 AM
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Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
...eekerstard also
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FATHER GUILTY..AND TRUE TO ALL OF THE ABOVE.
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Ditto yoda
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Ditto yoda
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There's a massive coverup going on, they're looking for scape goats and refuse to acknowledge the the ritual baby murders for fear of violent reprisals leading to more discovery
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I once tried to stop my ex-inlaws from having anything to do with my children even had an injunction taken out .. They were not nice people ,I told the Social services the truth that the mother was an exprostitute , the stepfather a wife and child beater the sisters drug addicts ,abusers and everything else ... I told the cops the same thing , guess who got all the hassle ...Guess who had a lot of crap written on their social services record ..And guess who had unlimnited access to my children as it goes against their rights ..........The law is an arse that works for some people and not for all...
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The difference in this is that you don't actually personally know these accused. As a concerned parent. As a libel lawyer looking to sue whoever defamed. And so on. So yes, probably the best way would be people who do not know these accused.


Again - everyone has a right to ask a question. Unless you perhaps live under ISIS or NK rule and so on.

Anyway, I would do that if i lived near the place. But that's probably just me.
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Honestly Aussie person you don wanna know UK at the moment ....I am looking at leaving this godforsaken place after a few probs are over and done with ...This isn't England or the UK anymore .....
 Quoting: saviour12631


Well whatever it IS, it seems people are afraid to do what is right, and that is the loss of purpose.

It's not about you, or me. It is about those kids (and others like them) that have been fearless themselves in bringing to light the heinous crimes that are occurring.

To sit back and let it continue, to succumb to fear, well I guess we get what we deserve.

Again, just a simple iphone camera - "Hi, I'm a concerned citizen - I just want to know if you are willing to talk about what you have been accused of?"

If no, fine on your way. If yes - well perhaps they can enlighten whats the deal.

It seems lack of courage, fear of 'been charged', or been killed perhaps even, would deter many.

Surely there's at least 1 man or woman (apart from just Sabine McNeill) willing to do this.


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There's a massive coverup going on, they're looking for scape goats and refuse to acknowledge the the ritual baby murders for fear of violent reprisals leading to more discovery
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I also thought about this and there may be more of a point to your comment than you think .......
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
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There's a massive coverup going on, they're looking for scape goats and refuse to acknowledge the the ritual baby murders for fear of violent reprisals leading to more discovery
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I also thought about this and there may be more of a point to your comment than you think .......I have also commented on the Cover up with the Mps at the House Of Commons in the past on facebook when it first came out .....
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Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
...eekerstard also
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Funny how on a conspiracy forum so many side with the mother.
When most abuse is from the mothers new guy.
I really don't want to live in this world anymore.
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Funny how on a conspiracy forum so many side with the mother.
When most abuse is from the mothers new guy.
I really don't want to live in this world anymore.
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Nope most of us want Justice to be done and the truth to come out wether its the mother father boyfriend all of them it don't matter ..I am not really taking sides but There are too many names being named for interest not to be shown ........And the children are obviously being abused even if it isn't true by making the video ..At their ages my children didn't even know what half the stuff they were talking about ........
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...eekerstard also
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Voted idk and state all five questions correct answer is true.
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You missed out both guilty.
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You should of had both the father & the mother as a choice...
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This was a child custody case, where the mother was trying to stop the father seeing his kids, out of spite, as usual.
And the new boyfriend was yelling at and hitting the kids and the kids and father made reports about this.
So the mother and the BF made this conspiracy up to try to get at the father in which the mother has now lost custody due to this being proven.
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DING DING!!

Most on here will never see that as they're needing for this to be true because they have invested so much into this emotionally.

No-one likes to be fooled, but the mum and Abe have done a prize-winning job.

Would you film testimony of the worst abuse of kids in a public airport cafe and then PLASTER that all over the internet?
Does the mother NOT RESPECT her kids?
See the cut on Alisa's chin that she said Abe did on the Morocco holiday?

People talk about all the details being an indicator of truth.
I understand that opinion, yet to me, there's TOO MANY details and they are very unrealistic.
Details the children would not normally have any information about if they were really part of satanic abuse ceremonies, like how much the adults were paying for child abuse sex, they just wouldn't be privy to that information.

Does she know how much her mum's electric bill is every month?
I bet not.

How would the children also know where the babies come from?
You think that the satanic pedo's invited them in for discussing where to source babies?
Don't forget - kids in these satanic cults are also part of the ceremony - brought in as extra pleasure for the sick pedo's. They are NOT the pedo ring...they are not 'in' it - they are merely seen as toys.
The children would not be exposed to any knowledge of where babies come from.

Another exaggeration of details: When asked who did this...they say this person, the police, church, EVERYONE.
Really everyone?

Also, if 30-60 adults were abusing EACH CHILD in ONE SESSION, it would be impossible for other adults to not notice the children are very ill.
When women are raped, just once by one person, they are totally incapacitated and physically sore.
30-60 adults raping one child - well common sense tells me it would be impossible for that child to walk, talk and act normally after THAT kind of abuse.
Yet these kids went to school the next day and no-one noticed a thing?

Like i said, over-exaggerated details which simply are not true to authentic satanic ritual cases.
There's plenty online to compare with. Do more research.

The mother and Abe were goading and asking very leading questions in all the interviews - the mother even telling the boy which other schools were involved when he forgot his lines.
It was not a confession from the kids, allowed to be said freely, all questions were suggestive of what next to say, unlike the police interviews.
The police interviews were enlightening in that the children told the exact story again - EXACT LINES, as they had been rehearsed on the other taped videos.
No change whatsoever in telling the story.

Go experiment with your own kids - get them to tell you about the last holiday you were on.
Then the next day ask them again - see if they repeat each sentence exactly the same as the first time telling their experience.

The mother should be disgusted with herself for exposing her children to ALL of this.

Why did she not go to the court hearing yet the dad did?
Surely if she wanted justice and a chance for the court to hear this truth of all this abuse, why did she not turn up to represent her kids?

THERE ARE HOLES IN THIS STORY EVERYWHERE!

Sure, satanic abuse DOES go on, i'm not saying it's not happening.
But also, since the dawn of time people have lied to gain leverage for all sorts of reasons.
Accusing others of crimes in order to gain a reputation you don't deserve is the oldest trick in the book.
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This was a child custody case, where the mother was trying to stop the father seeing his kids, out of spite, as usual.
And the new boyfriend was yelling at and hitting the kids and the kids and father made reports about this.
So the mother and the BF made this conspiracy up to try to get at the father in which the mother has now lost custody due to this being proven.
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DING DING!!

Most on here will never see that as they're needing for this to be true because they have invested so much into this emotionally.

No-one likes to be fooled, but the mum and Abe have done a prize-winning job.

Would you film testimony of the worst abuse of kids in a public airport cafe and then PLASTER that all over the internet?
Does the mother NOT RESPECT her kids?
See the cut on Alisa's chin that she said Abe did on the Morocco holiday?

People talk about all the details being an indicator of truth.
I understand that opinion, yet to me, there's TOO MANY details and they are very unrealistic.
Details the children would not normally have any information about if they were really part of satanic abuse ceremonies, like how much the adults were paying for child abuse sex, they just wouldn't be privy to that information.

Does she know how much her mum's electric bill is every month?
I bet not.

How would the children also know where the babies come from?
You think that the satanic pedo's invited them in for discussing where to source babies?
Don't forget - kids in these satanic cults are also part of the ceremony - brought in as extra pleasure for the sick pedo's. They are NOT the pedo ring...they are not 'in' it - they are merely seen as toys.
The children would not be exposed to any knowledge of where babies come from.

Another exaggeration of details: When asked who did this...they say this person, the police, church, EVERYONE.
Really everyone?

Also, if 30-60 adults were abusing EACH CHILD in ONE SESSION, it would be impossible for other adults to not notice the children are very ill.
When women are raped, just once by one person, they are totally incapacitated and physically sore.
30-60 adults raping one child - well common sense tells me it would be impossible for that child to walk, talk and act normally after THAT kind of abuse.
Yet these kids went to school the next day and no-one noticed a thing?

Like i said, over-exaggerated details which simply are not true to authentic satanic ritual cases.
There's plenty online to compare with. Do more research.

The mother and Abe were goading and asking very leading questions in all the interviews - the mother even telling the boy which other schools were involved when he forgot his lines.
It was not a confession from the kids, allowed to be said freely, all questions were suggestive of what next to say, unlike the police interviews.
The police interviews were enlightening in that the children told the exact story again - EXACT LINES, as they had been rehearsed on the other taped videos.
No change whatsoever in telling the story.

Go experiment with your own kids - get them to tell you about the last holiday you were on.
Then the next day ask them again - see if they repeat each sentence exactly the same as the first time telling their experience.

The mother should be disgusted with herself for exposing her children to ALL of this.

Why did she not go to the court hearing yet the dad did?
Surely if she wanted justice and a chance for the court to hear this truth of all this abuse, why did she not turn up to represent her kids?

THERE ARE HOLES IN THIS STORY EVERYWHERE!

Sure, satanic abuse DOES go on, i'm not saying it's not happening.
But also, since the dawn of time people have lied to gain leverage for all sorts of reasons.
Accusing others of crimes in order to gain a reputation you don't deserve is the oldest trick in the book.
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I do agree with you AC but for it to be media free ..Even for a denial isn't right ....
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
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They guy who threw them against walls, wouldn't let them have any cooked food, poured cold water over them regularly to "bless" them, covered their mouths and noses so they couldn't breathe, beat them until they were bleeding and deafened--isn't on the list?

Wow.
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we have an extensive list with names, we have testimony to the different anomalies on the bodies of those named.

innocent until proven guilty is law and I fully agree. Now we have statements made about this list of people, it is time for them to prove they are not guilty. Prove to the courts that you don't have devil tattoo's, prove to the court you don't have the birthmarks and other mentioned identifiers on the private parts of these supposed satanists. All will be fine for you - come prove your innocence. Otherwise I suspect the children know things that many do not want discovered.
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we have an extensive list with names, we have testimony to the different anomalies on the bodies of those named.

innocent until proven guilty is law and I fully agree. Now we have statements made about this list of people, it is time for them to prove they are not guilty. Prove to the courts that you don't have devil tattoo's, prove to the court you don't have the birthmarks and other mentioned identifiers on the private parts of these supposed satanists. All will be fine for you - come prove your innocence. Otherwise I suspect the children know things that many do not want discovered.
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True it would only take a few minutes and then there would be no doubt either way ....
Del Boy: All the things that we've ever got out of life have come from my intelligence and my foresight
Rodney: Well, I'm glad somebody's owned up, ....He who dares wins Rodders
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we have an extensive list with names, we have testimony to the different anomalies on the bodies of those named.

innocent until proven guilty is law and I fully agree. Now we have statements made about this list of people, it is time for them to prove they are not guilty. Prove to the courts that you don't have devil tattoo's, prove to the court you don't have the birthmarks and other mentioned identifiers on the private parts of these supposed satanists. All will be fine for you - come prove your innocence. Otherwise I suspect the children know things that many do not want discovered.
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Agreed. Why are those who have been accused of pedophilia not being investigated the same way as Joe Blow on the streets would be?

That they aren't only makes more suspicion fall upon them, and those above them, those at the tip top...those known to associate with pedophiles, pedophiles who molest children with impunity.
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Interesting how you guys are prioritizing abuse above murders.

I mean, it's all awful, but if you really believe what the children are saying, you'd be more concerned with the hundreds or thousands of babies who are about to be murdered in the coming hours and days.
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Funny how on a conspiracy forum so many side with the mother.
When most abuse is from the mothers new guy.
I really don't want to live in this world anymore.
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Oh come on they had a nun orphanage in your country where kids were tortured for 90 years.
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They wouldn't tell the kids to lie about specific sleeved tatoos, it's fucking easy just tell those people to drop em!

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