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Living Income Guaranteed!!

 
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WHAT IS L.I.G.?
The Living Income Guaranteed is the provision of an actual ‘Living Income’ for each eligible citizen – an income that provides a reasonable level of financial security so that everyone may lead a dignified life. Unlike the Basic Income Grant proposals, the Living Income Guaranteed is not unconditionally provided but is allocated through a means-test. The Living Income Guaranteed is a social security ‘net’ available to all; on an as-needed basis. This principle exemplifies our national expectations of government, as laid out within most country’s Bill of Rights, where the state ensures the well-being of its citizens when the citizens are unable to provide for themselves.


PARADIGM SHIFT
The implementation of a Living Income Guaranteed also requires the implementation of a paradigm shift. We need to acknowledge that our current system and approach of managing resources and ensuring human rights has been far from effective. As a society, acknowledging the ineffectiveness of our system prompts us to profoundly investigate our value system and preclude ideas that no longer serve us. When we hold on to the ways of the past because that’s ‘how things have always been done’, we recreate the same problems of the past; the very ones we wish to eradicate. The only way to move forward and bring about an actual improvement in society is to do things differently. To be able to do so, we require an openness for change – for innovation and creativity – for ‘out of the box thinking’. In Einstein’s words: “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”



STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENTS
To finance a Living Income Guaranteed System, changes are required within the current socio-economic and political structure. Funding the Living Income Guaranteed directly through the Government by allocating money from the budget, or through deficit spending, is not a viable option. Government, by itself, is not set up to handle such a load of income transfers at the level required for all Living Income recipients to be able to live a dignified life. Adjustments and tweaks are required to free up and ensure a proper Living Income can be actually, guaranteed.


NATIONALIZATION OF RESOURCES AND SOCIAL DIVIDENDS
One way to fund a Living Income Guaranteed is through the nationalization of resources within each country. To benefit the public well-being, each country’s resources are re-allocated by nationalizing companies that utilize the national resources in manufacturing and production processes. The citizenry would then effectively become shareholders of these companies. Economic profit generated by publicly owned companies would partially (or wholly, if necessary) finance the Living Income Guaranteed.Beyond the obvious funding function of such a step, the nationalization of resources and connected enterprises provides an opportunity for the management of the country’s resources by the people of that country – and is, in fact, an extension of direct democracy.



TAXATION
Within the Living Income Guaranteed, direct or personal tax methods will be discontinued. Only indirect tax methods will be facilitated, inter alia, in the form of VAT, sales tax and import duties. There will no longer be a need for excessive taxation, as the role and functions that the government will be required to execute and fund, will be minimal.The amount of tax for each individual will be directly related to one’s activity and participation within a particular system or section of society (eg. Toll roads / Road pricing). Note that from the financing options suggested here, the particular combination and spreading should be tailored for each country – dependent on the specific current economic reality and cultural climate. A country-specific evaluation can determine in which areas of a particular economy funds that are misappropriated that can be redirected towards the guaranteeing of a Living Income.


REDIRECTION OF MILITARY BUDGETS
A second major and appropriate source of funds to finance a Living Income is the redirection of military budgets. Whereas the real and propagated justifications for war are questionable, their resulting devastation is not. It requires no further explanation or argumentation to clarify why warfare is undesirable and worth eradicating. Every democratic government has a duty first and foremost to the citizens of their own country. Spending vast amounts of public funds to finance military action under the guise of humanitarianism has no sensical meaning when at home such things as unemployment, poverty, inadequate education programs or health systems are common and increasingly problematic. To better the world, we must start at home.

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Well, there you go: a few simple steps to dignity and freedom for all.

Have at it you, Rabid Rightwingers!

(Personally, I'm signing up asap - I've paid taxes all my life and never ever intended a single penny of my taxes to go towards supporting billionaires, banksters, warmongers and psychopathic politicians. Bout time their 'democracy' was turned into OUR democracy.)
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LOL VAT tax... you can't fool us Nancy Pelosi.
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HEY BRIT OP.....
GO to hell with your socialist one world order agenda!!!!

may be in the UK where you kiss the queen;s ass(or buttes)
wh9o owns you!!!... never in the USA
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HEY BRIT OP.....
GO to hell with your socialist one world order agenda!!!!

may be in the UK where you kiss the queen;s ass(or buttes)
wh9o owns you!!!... never in the USA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
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Well, that was buried superquick!

What you morans don't see is that there is NO socialism, NO rightwing, NO commie this or that.

There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.

Thus there are simply not enough jobs for all of us under their dictatorship.

There will never, ever be enough jobs for regular people if there isn't a mega realignment of values and economic practices.

You NIMBY guys who bleat on against 'socialism' are just clueless parrots for the 1%.
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HEY BRIT OP.....
GO to hell with your socialist one world order agenda!!!!

may be in the UK where you kiss the queen;s ass(or buttes)
wh9o owns you!!!... never in the USA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
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Well, that was buried superquick!

What you morans don't see is that there is NO socialism, NO rightwing, NO commie this or that.

There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.

Thus there are simply not enough jobs for all of us under their dictatorship.

There will never, ever be enough jobs for regular people if there isn't a mega realignment of values and economic practices.

You NIMBY guys who bleat on against 'socialism' are just clueless parrots for the 1%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Another way to look at it is that Government has sucked all of the oxygen out of the room with their nonstop need for moar taxes. Making it impossible for even a modest salary to be meaningful.

If they keep increasing the minimum wage and continue to increase taxes, all the while increasing inflation... Then the bottom of the barrel keeps getting less effective. Even moar jobs will disappear.

A socialist society needs even more taxes (or less government parasites) to be sustainable. Does it not?
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Sounds like something a 12 year old would write, well intentioned but without the understanding of the way the world works.
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Re: Living Income Guaranteed!!
HEY BRIT OP.....
GO to hell with your socialist one world order agenda!!!!

may be in the UK where you kiss the queen;s ass(or buttes)
wh9o owns you!!!... never in the USA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
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I'd rather give extra vaccines to the stupid people and get rid of them.
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HEY BRIT OP.....
GO to hell with your socialist one world order agenda!!!!

may be in the UK where you kiss the queen;s ass(or buttes)
wh9o owns you!!!... never in the USA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


True but the problem is that people actually think that Government can and should be responsible to create jobs.

They in fact destroy them. They cannot create them. Reducing government can create more jobs though.
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If they offered me this deal...

Guaranteed living income.

+ free dental and medical.

If I got sterilized.

I'd probably take it.

I don't see how it could work without sterilization though. Healthy people with free time will breed like crazy. And overpopulation will destroy the world in twenty years.
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There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.
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NO it´s the percentage of immigrants too.
I work for three families who come here to get free monies, cuz of the huge amount of taxes we pay-
After kicking the parasites out,I`m in for your plan.

Further more, the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.
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There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


NO it´s the percentage of immigrants too.
I work for three families who come here to get free monies, cuz of the huge amount of taxes we pay-
After kicking the parasites out,I`m in for your plan.

Further more, the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68266155


Do you think a flat-tax would level the playing field? Serious question.
I've often wondered why they don't just do it and solve so many problems.
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Well, that was buried superquick!

What you morans don't see is that there is NO socialism, NO rightwing, NO commie this or that.

There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.

Thus there are simply not enough jobs for all of us under their dictatorship.

There will never, ever be enough jobs for regular people if there isn't a mega realignment of values and economic practices.

You NIMBY guys who bleat on against 'socialism' are just clueless parrots for the 1%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Another way to look at it is that Government has sucked all of the oxygen out of the room with their nonstop need for moar taxes. Making it impossible for even a modest salary to be meaningful.

If they keep increasing the minimum wage and continue to increase taxes, all the while increasing inflation... Then the bottom of the barrel keeps getting less effective. Even moar jobs will disappear.

A socialist society needs even more taxes (or less government parasites) to be sustainable. Does it not?
 Quoting: GFX guy


Naaaaah! You're still seeing it through the old paradigm...there is NO socialism, NO conservatism.

These false 'sides' were just made up to a) keep psychos in power and b) to give you the illusion of choice.

Both left and right have let their nations down. Both have endlessly pursued wars, endlessly encouraged supergreedy banksters, the 1%, corruption, poor health, poor healthcare, poor education. And thereby terminally impoverished their fellow citizens.

Time to get past all that 19th century politicking. Otherwise there is no chance to get out of this Depression.
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Sounds like something a 12 year old would write, well intentioned but without the understanding of the way the world works.
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Who says the world has to work that way??
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I'd rather give extra vaccines to the stupid people and get rid of them.
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Is that you Prince Philip??!
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LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


True but the problem is that people actually think that Government can and should be responsible to create jobs.

They in fact destroy them. They cannot create them. Reducing government can create more jobs though.
 Quoting: GFX guy
GFX guy

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Well, that was buried superquick!

What you morans don't see is that there is NO socialism, NO rightwing, NO commie this or that.

There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.

Thus there are simply not enough jobs for all of us under their dictatorship.

There will never, ever be enough jobs for regular people if there isn't a mega realignment of values and economic practices.

You NIMBY guys who bleat on against 'socialism' are just clueless parrots for the 1%.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Another way to look at it is that Government has sucked all of the oxygen out of the room with their nonstop need for moar taxes. Making it impossible for even a modest salary to be meaningful.

If they keep increasing the minimum wage and continue to increase taxes, all the while increasing inflation... Then the bottom of the barrel keeps getting less effective. Even moar jobs will disappear.

A socialist society needs even more taxes (or less government parasites) to be sustainable. Does it not?
 Quoting: GFX guy


Naaaaah! You're still seeing it through the old paradigm...there is NO socialism, NO conservatism.

These false 'sides' were just made up to a) keep psychos in power and b) to give you the illusion of choice.

Both left and right have let their nations down. Both have endlessly pursued wars, endlessly encouraged supergreedy banksters, the 1%, corruption, poor health, poor healthcare, poor education. And thereby terminally impoverished their fellow citizens.

Time to get past all that 19th century politicking. Otherwise there is no chance to get out of this Depression.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


I agree and disagree with you at the same time.
Those that want a utopia need to understand that the funding for such a paradigm is being sucked away and channeled to those funding the idiots in charge. The bribes are so huge, nobody can call it out in a public forum. Just try and see how that goes.
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LOL, she wouldn't know what to do with me if she actually did own me!!

Meanwhile, SERIOUS Q, why not in the USA??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


True but the problem is that people actually think that Government can and should be responsible to create jobs.

They in fact destroy them. They cannot create them. Reducing government can create more jobs though.
 Quoting: GFX guy


BINGO!!!

A total re-evaluation of 'government' is required. When you get past the 'rightist' / 'leftist' propaganda that keeps you stuck in their self-serving get-rich-quick schemes, it's obvious that the only way nations can work is through equality and true participative democracy.
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QUOTE:

WHAT IS L.I.G.?
The Living Income Guaranteed is the provision of an actual ‘Living Income’ for each eligible citizen – an income that provides a reasonable level of financial security so that everyone may lead a dignified life. Unlike the Basic Income Grant proposals, the Living Income Guaranteed is not unconditionally provided but is allocated through a means-test. The Living Income Guaranteed is a social security ‘net’ available to all; on an as-needed basis. This principle exemplifies our national expectations of government, as laid out within most country’s Bill of Rights, where the state ensures the well-being of its citizens when the citizens are unable to provide for themselves.


PARADIGM SHIFT
The implementation of a Living Income Guaranteed also requires the implementation of a paradigm shift. We need to acknowledge that our current system and approach of managing resources and ensuring human rights has been far from effective. As a society, acknowledging the ineffectiveness of our system prompts us to profoundly investigate our value system and preclude ideas that no longer serve us. When we hold on to the ways of the past because that’s ‘how things have always been done’, we recreate the same problems of the past; the very ones we wish to eradicate. The only way to move forward and bring about an actual improvement in society is to do things differently. To be able to do so, we require an openness for change – for innovation and creativity – for ‘out of the box thinking’. In Einstein’s words: “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”



STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENTS
To finance a Living Income Guaranteed System, changes are required within the current socio-economic and political structure. Funding the Living Income Guaranteed directly through the Government by allocating money from the budget, or through deficit spending, is not a viable option. Government, by itself, is not set up to handle such a load of income transfers at the level required for all Living Income recipients to be able to live a dignified life. Adjustments and tweaks are required to free up and ensure a proper Living Income can be actually, guaranteed.


NATIONALIZATION OF RESOURCES AND SOCIAL DIVIDENDS
One way to fund a Living Income Guaranteed is through the nationalization of resources within each country. To benefit the public well-being, each country’s resources are re-allocated by nationalizing companies that utilize the national resources in manufacturing and production processes. The citizenry would then effectively become shareholders of these companies. Economic profit generated by publicly owned companies would partially (or wholly, if necessary) finance the Living Income Guaranteed.Beyond the obvious funding function of such a step, the nationalization of resources and connected enterprises provides an opportunity for the management of the country’s resources by the people of that country – and is, in fact, an extension of direct democracy.



TAXATION
Within the Living Income Guaranteed, direct or personal tax methods will be discontinued. Only indirect tax methods will be facilitated, inter alia, in the form of VAT, sales tax and import duties. There will no longer be a need for excessive taxation, as the role and functions that the government will be required to execute and fund, will be minimal.The amount of tax for each individual will be directly related to one’s activity and participation within a particular system or section of society (eg. Toll roads / Road pricing). Note that from the financing options suggested here, the particular combination and spreading should be tailored for each country – dependent on the specific current economic reality and cultural climate. A country-specific evaluation can determine in which areas of a particular economy funds that are misappropriated that can be redirected towards the guaranteeing of a Living Income.


REDIRECTION OF MILITARY BUDGETS
A second major and appropriate source of funds to finance a Living Income is the redirection of military budgets. Whereas the real and propagated justifications for war are questionable, their resulting devastation is not. It requires no further explanation or argumentation to clarify why warfare is undesirable and worth eradicating. Every democratic government has a duty first and foremost to the citizens of their own country. Spending vast amounts of public funds to finance military action under the guise of humanitarianism has no sensical meaning when at home such things as unemployment, poverty, inadequate education programs or health systems are common and increasingly problematic. To better the world, we must start at home.

END QUOTE
[link to livingincomeguaranteed.wordpress.com (secure)]
<50%


Well, there you go: a few simple steps to dignity and freedom for all.

Have at it you, Rabid Rightwingers!

(Personally, I'm signing up asap - I've paid taxes all my life and never ever intended a single penny of my taxes to go towards supporting billionaires, banksters, warmongers and psychopathic politicians. Bout time their 'democracy' was turned into OUR democracy.)
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Living Income Guarenteed. LIG. Those are called "buzzwords" to make it sound fresh and nice. You probably feel like this guy hearing those words
glpaward
But it's far from the truth. People suffer under socialism.
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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If they offered me this deal...

Guaranteed living income.

+ free dental and medical.

If I got sterilized.

I'd probably take it.

I don't see how it could work without sterilization though. Healthy people with free time will breed like crazy. And overpopulation will destroy the world in twenty years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63638325


They have already proved in over fertile countries like India that if you provide better education, better healthcare and equality for women the birthrate goes down.

In effect, cutting population by sharing the common wealth more equally.
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Because we respect ourselves to want to make our own
decision and for the most part, the majority wants to be free and make our own money...

end of discussion...if you are willing to maintain your monarchy I DO NOT RESPECT BRISTISH PEOPE OR FRENCH FOr THAT MATTER!!! GOOD day!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66566195


But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


True but the problem is that people actually think that Government can and should be responsible to create jobs.

They in fact destroy them. They cannot create them. Reducing government can create more jobs though.
 Quoting: GFX guy


BINGO!!!

A total re-evaluation of 'government' is required. When you get past the 'rightist' / 'leftist' propaganda that keeps you stuck in their self-serving get-rich-quick schemes, it's obvious that the only way nations can work is through equality and true participative democracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68053075


I can't argue with that! True logic.
cheers

Nothing can only be black or white.
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There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.
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NO it´s the percentage of immigrants too.
I work for three families who come here to get free monies, cuz of the huge amount of taxes we pay-
After kicking the parasites out,I`m in for your plan.

Further more, the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68266155


Do you think a flat-tax would level the playing field? Serious question.
I've often wondered why they don't just do it and solve so many problems.
 Quoting: GFX guy


What´s flat tax?

To start with: no income tax (it´s slavery in the law)
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WHAT IS L.I.G.?
The Living Income Guaranteed is the provision of an actual ‘Living Income’ for each eligible citizen – an income that provides a reasonable level of financial security so that everyone may lead a dignified life. Unlike the Basic Income Grant proposals, the Living Income Guaranteed is not unconditionally provided but is allocated through a means-test. The Living Income Guaranteed is a social security ‘net’ available to all; on an as-needed basis. This principle exemplifies our national expectations of government, as laid out within most country’s Bill of Rights, where the state ensures the well-being of its citizens when the citizens are unable to provide for themselves.


PARADIGM SHIFT
The implementation of a Living Income Guaranteed also requires the implementation of a paradigm shift. We need to acknowledge that our current system and approach of managing resources and ensuring human rights has been far from effective. As a society, acknowledging the ineffectiveness of our system prompts us to profoundly investigate our value system and preclude ideas that no longer serve us. When we hold on to the ways of the past because that’s ‘how things have always been done’, we recreate the same problems of the past; the very ones we wish to eradicate. The only way to move forward and bring about an actual improvement in society is to do things differently. To be able to do so, we require an openness for change – for innovation and creativity – for ‘out of the box thinking’. In Einstein’s words: “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”



STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENTS
To finance a Living Income Guaranteed System, changes are required within the current socio-economic and political structure. Funding the Living Income Guaranteed directly through the Government by allocating money from the budget, or through deficit spending, is not a viable option. Government, by itself, is not set up to handle such a load of income transfers at the level required for all Living Income recipients to be able to live a dignified life. Adjustments and tweaks are required to free up and ensure a proper Living Income can be actually, guaranteed.


NATIONALIZATION OF RESOURCES AND SOCIAL DIVIDENDS
One way to fund a Living Income Guaranteed is through the nationalization of resources within each country. To benefit the public well-being, each country’s resources are re-allocated by nationalizing companies that utilize the national resources in manufacturing and production processes. The citizenry would then effectively become shareholders of these companies. Economic profit generated by publicly owned companies would partially (or wholly, if necessary) finance the Living Income Guaranteed.Beyond the obvious funding function of such a step, the nationalization of resources and connected enterprises provides an opportunity for the management of the country’s resources by the people of that country – and is, in fact, an extension of direct democracy.



TAXATION
Within the Living Income Guaranteed, direct or personal tax methods will be discontinued. Only indirect tax methods will be facilitated, inter alia, in the form of VAT, sales tax and import duties. There will no longer be a need for excessive taxation, as the role and functions that the government will be required to execute and fund, will be minimal.The amount of tax for each individual will be directly related to one’s activity and participation within a particular system or section of society (eg. Toll roads / Road pricing). Note that from the financing options suggested here, the particular combination and spreading should be tailored for each country – dependent on the specific current economic reality and cultural climate. A country-specific evaluation can determine in which areas of a particular economy funds that are misappropriated that can be redirected towards the guaranteeing of a Living Income.


REDIRECTION OF MILITARY BUDGETS
A second major and appropriate source of funds to finance a Living Income is the redirection of military budgets. Whereas the real and propagated justifications for war are questionable, their resulting devastation is not. It requires no further explanation or argumentation to clarify why warfare is undesirable and worth eradicating. Every democratic government has a duty first and foremost to the citizens of their own country. Spending vast amounts of public funds to finance military action under the guise of humanitarianism has no sensical meaning when at home such things as unemployment, poverty, inadequate education programs or health systems are common and increasingly problematic. To better the world, we must start at home.

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Well, there you go: a few simple steps to dignity and freedom for all.

Have at it you, Rabid Rightwingers!

(Personally, I'm signing up asap - I've paid taxes all my life and never ever intended a single penny of my taxes to go towards supporting billionaires, banksters, warmongers and psychopathic politicians. Bout time their 'democracy' was turned into OUR democracy.)
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Paradigm shift? This is utopian libtard thinking at it's best!! Have you considered into your equation the human bias?
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.
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NO it´s the percentage of immigrants too.
I work for three families who come here to get free monies, cuz of the huge amount of taxes we pay-
After kicking the parasites out,I`m in for your plan.

Further more, the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.
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Yep. Immigrants....

And just who is allowing all these immigrants in??

Not me. Not you.

You gave the answer: the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.


Any 'new democracy=shared common wealth' system would have to support only those who can demonstrate 'roots'.
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There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.
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NO it´s the percentage of immigrants too.
I work for three families who come here to get free monies, cuz of the huge amount of taxes we pay-
After kicking the parasites out,I`m in for your plan.

Further more, the ones that have jobs, have stolen them from the indigenous inhabitants, through the help from the gov.
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Do you think a flat-tax would level the playing field? Serious question.
I've often wondered why they don't just do it and solve so many problems.
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What´s flat tax?

To start with: no income tax (it´s slavery in the law)
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A flat tax is where taxes are only levied onto sales. Everyone pays the same percentage, no matter what.

Even those who don't file taxes would be taxed the same.

Levels the playing field as best that can be. As long as loopholes don't get introduced, obviously. Gotta start somewhere.
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I have a better idea.
Let's have every nation assign a bounty on illegals,
dead or alive. Government pays. In the USA $500 each.

Cancel all free trade agreements immediately.
Cancel all foreign aid by governments from everywhere
to everywhere. Churches may assist as they see fit.

Problems solved around the world.
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Well, that was buried superquick!

What you morans don't see is that there is NO socialism, NO rightwing, NO commie this or that.

There is only the 1% who are ripping off the rest of us.

Thus there are simply not enough jobs for all of us under their dictatorship.

There will never, ever be enough jobs for regular people if there isn't a mega realignment of values and economic practices.

You NIMBY guys who bleat on against 'socialism' are just clueless parrots for the 1%.
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Another way to look at it is that Government has sucked all of the oxygen out of the room with their nonstop need for moar taxes. Making it impossible for even a modest salary to be meaningful.

If they keep increasing the minimum wage and continue to increase taxes, all the while increasing inflation... Then the bottom of the barrel keeps getting less effective. Even moar jobs will disappear.

A socialist society needs even more taxes (or less government parasites) to be sustainable. Does it not?
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Naaaaah! You're still seeing it through the old paradigm...there is NO socialism, NO conservatism.

These false 'sides' were just made up to a) keep psychos in power and b) to give you the illusion of choice.

Both left and right have let their nations down. Both have endlessly pursued wars, endlessly encouraged supergreedy banksters, the 1%, corruption, poor health, poor healthcare, poor education. And thereby terminally impoverished their fellow citizens.

Time to get past all that 19th century politicking. Otherwise there is no chance to get out of this Depression.
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I agree and disagree with you at the same time.
Those that want a utopia need to understand that the funding for such a paradigm is being sucked away and channeled to those funding the idiots in charge. The bribes are so huge, nobody can call it out in a public forum. Just try and see how that goes.
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I totally agree with you.

I don't know about the people who put together this living Income Guarantee thing, but I'm very far from being a utopian.

What I see in their plan is really the only way we can avoid a global nightmare which will practically manifest on each of our doorsteps.

If it isn't WW3, which they are speeding us towards right now, it'll be spontaneous ;ocalized revolutions and regional civil wars all over the place.
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But that's the point! There are not enough jobs anymore so that we can make our own money, there will never be enough jobs for everyone now.

How much freedom do you think you can have when you are existing in poverty?

LOL - what's French people got to do with any monarchy! They're a republic! And, again, NO ONE in our 'democracy' asked us or allowed us to pass any opinion on maintaining the monarchy. Tch. That's my point again... our economic system and values are just plain wrong.
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True but the problem is that people actually think that Government can and should be responsible to create jobs.

They in fact destroy them. They cannot create them. Reducing government can create more jobs though.
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BINGO!!!

A total re-evaluation of 'government' is required. When you get past the 'rightist' / 'leftist' propaganda that keeps you stuck in their self-serving get-rich-quick schemes, it's obvious that the only way nations can work is through equality and true participative democracy.
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I can't argue with that! True logic.
cheers

Nothing can only be black or white.
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Truth may have its ragged edges but genuine democracy is a damned sight more black and white than the masquerade of puppets, shysters and idiots we have at the moment!