Check your vitamins for "Folic Acid" and if present -- toss them! Government poisoning you since 1998 with this.

You can not get too much "FOLATE" the natural form of Folic Acid. The whole point here is that "Folic Acid" is not folate and is processed differently.

Large doses of folic acid given to an individual who has a vitamin B12 deficiency and not a folate deficiency can cause irreversible neurological damages. The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has established a tolerable upper intake level for folate. For children 1 to 3 years the limit is 300 mcg daily, for children 4 to 8 the limit is 400 mcg daily, for children 9 to 13, the limit is 600 mcg daily, for adolescents 14 to 18 the limit is 600 mcg and for those 19 and older the limit is 1,000 mcg per day. Intakes above recommended limits increase the risk of adverse health effects.

[link to www.livestrong.com]

Folic acid and folate are terms used interchangeably as though they are the same.

They are not.

Folate is a naturally occurring vitamin known as B9. Folate contains all the related isomers needed for B9 to fully benefit health.

Folic acid is a synthetically derived molecule created in a lab in the early 1940s. Guess which is beneficial and which is risky.


Learn more: [link to www.naturalnews.com]

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The liver can convert the isolate folic acid into the complete spectrum of isomers that constitute folate. But as we age, that ability declines.

Then no matter how much folic acid you take, your folate blood levels decline. The result is a folate deficiency, which invites all those diseases associated with old age mentioned earlier. Folic acid has also been suspected of shuffling DNA around a bit, producing unpredictable results. This is not worth gambling.

Learn more: [link to www.naturalnews.com]

OK yeah I agree. Guess I'm still evolving. Wish I had the time and space to grow my own food. Can't afford to buy all organic.

The deception here is that Folic Acid is man made and not the same as Folate.

Women need "FOLATE" to prevent neural tube defects, which can be taken in a vitamin or fresh leafy green vegetables.

Folic Acid is man made and toxic in more than a tiny quantity. To add it in our food is a crime as it causes cancer and can not be metabolized by 1/2 the population who have the MTHFR gene mutation.

The man made form "Folic Acid" can block the uptake of the natural form causing a lack of essential folate and many diseases including cancer.

It's effects get worse as we age, and the mega doses recommended to pregnant woman can be horribly harmful.

I also want to point out that many supplements that are "folic acid free" or say they contain Folate which is the naturally occurring form could possibly contain MetaFolin produced by Merck Laboratories.

More food for thought.

No idea if MetaFolin is different than naturally occurring Folate but considering it is owned by M.L. I'd be highly skeptical.

More research needed. Just something I noticed while scanning for folic acid free multivitamins.

you need to watch how much you are consuming.

Too much folic acid has been shown to double the risk of colorectal cancer.

Not only that, but it can triple the likelihood of prostate cancer in men. (Nutrition Action, 09.2011) Now don’t get overexcited, these studies are not entirely conclusive. On top of which, you need to be taking more than 800-1,000 micrograms of folic acid to reach those levels.

But if you are eating fortified foods, taking a multivitamin and adding a B complex on top of that, you may be exceeding those doses every day.

[link to yearofthedetox.com]

False alarm, Metafolin appears safe but is still made by MerckLabs, some of the true "pioneers" of planetary health and moral acclamation.

My wife's prenatal vitamins say they contain "Folate as folic acid from cultured media."

Da fuck does that mean?

Yeah I never knew any of that either until someone I know had a bad reaction from a medication/vitamin combo.

It would be nice to live in a world where poisoning people wasn't acceptable. Unfortunately that isn't the world we live in.
You don't have to eat organic, I don't. I just try to eat real food. If it didn't grow, run, fly or swim then don't eat it.
Until they find the Oreo cookie tree........avoid that shit like it's the plague. It's amazing what the fake food industry is allowed to get away with. They feed people rat shit and it's accepted by the FDA! So, we're all pretty much on our own.

folic acid refers to the fully oxidized synthetic compound (pteroylmono- glutamic acid) used in dietary supplements and in food fortification

while folate refers to the various tetrahydrofolate derivatives naturally present in foods.

Folic acid is the most commonly used form in dietary supplements since its synthesis, due to its stability and lower cost.

The risk of higher than desired folic acid intake is compounded by concerns over the appearance of unmetabolized (unaltered) folic acid (pteroyl- monoglutamic acid) in the blood circulatory system.22, 26

It has been demonstrated that even a modest intake of less than 400 micrograms per day of folic acid from fortified foods or supplements may lead to the appearance of umetabolized folic acid in the bloodstream.27-29

Unlike the natural folates (e.g., 5-methyltetrahydrofolate and 5-formyltetrahydrofolate), folic acid is not a normal metabolite and must be reduced to dihydrofolate and then to tetrahydrofolate, the form that can enter the folate cycle.7, 26 The low dihydrofolate reductase activity in human liver, where folic acid is first metabolized, could be saturated following even a modest or repeated dietary intake of folic acid, resulting in unmetabolized folic acid enter- ing the systemic circulation.22, 26

The health outcomes of chronic exposure to unmetabolized folic acid have not been evaluated and several papers recommend that long term studies on the safety of folic acid be conducted.6, 21, 30 There are several studies that seem to indicate potential risk of folic acid intake.31-36 One study showed an apparent increase in the incidence of colorectal cancer after the mandatory fortification of folic acid in both the USA and Canada.35 There is a growing body of evidence that seems to suggest the dual role of folates in carcinogenesis. High folate status prevents cancer development in the absence of preneoplastic lesions, but folic acid supplementation promotes the growth and development of existing preneoplastic lesions.30, 37, 38


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Word.




Still trying to figure out "Folate as folic acid from cultured media."

Anyone? Yes I know I've only waited about 5 mins but what does this mean?

A little trick of their evil trade. Wordsmithing their way into convincing people to buy their poisons.
If I remember correctly all that crap is made in one lab, I think in Connecticut, and if you want some ascorbic and probably folic acid you have to go thru them.
Sure would be nice to know who owns that lab and the patents on these synthetic compounds passed off as foods.

Wow, I need to read this in more detail later, tx!!

So how do you get rid of unmetabolised folic acid

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Another concern with folic acid intake is associated with accelerated cognitive decline in older persons.

One paper reported that persons who consumed folic acid in excess of 400 micrograms per day had a significantly faster rate of cognitive decline than supplement non-users,

possibly due to masking of unrecognized B12 deficiency.31 The elderly are known to often have compromised B12 status and consequently could be at greater risk for cognitive decline.36

There seem to be many producers, one Co. Prinova is the leading manufacturer in US anyways, but the big Pharma is doing it too. I'm wondering who funded the spina bifida studies? And when they found that this common birth defect, primarily seen in the third world nations with lower nutritional rates, it's here but far less prevalent, was effected by folate, why did it then become a world wide mandated supplementation?

It is really alarming how many countries got on board. And why do so many first world countries, especially in Europe, such as Italy or the Netherlands, refrain from enriching with folic acid in their grains, rice, and corn, if it is so vital? I will be buying grains and pastas from Italy from now on.

Natural Health zone is promoting Folic Acid.

[link to naturalhealthzone.com]

Just thought I would let everyone know that I called the manufacturer of these "organic prenatal vitamins" and inquired as to the labeling.

To recap, these vitamins list "Folate as folic acid from culture media."

The person I spoke with answered that they take "folic acid and culture it in a media similar to how you culture milk into yogurt."

The end product is "a more digestible form of folic acid that is more similar to folate."

His answer for why they used folic acid instead of just using natural folate is that "folic acid is more stable to work with."

So they are taking a synthesized compound and culturing it back into a more natural form because it has better stability?

What a bunch of gobbledygook.

Going with Dudeman on this one, the eventual fuck off of all supplements.

Wow.

CONCLUSIONS:

The human gut appears to have a very efficient capacity to convert reduced dietary folates to 5-MTHF but limited ability to reduce folic acid.


Folic acid handling by the human gut: implications for food fortification and supplementation.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Hello is there anybody out there?

[link to mthfr.net]

MTHFR is a very common genetic defect that affects approximately 1 in 4 people seriously and nearly 1 in 2 people mildly.

The MTHFR gene has a simple, but highly critical, function surrounding how your body utilizes folic acid and other forms of folate.

Those with the variant of MTHFR called C667T have a 40% to 60% decreased ability to produce the body’s most active form of folate called methylfolate.

Methylfolate is a critical nutrient affecting neurotransmitter production, DNA regulation, immunity and and the cardiovascular system. Indirectly, methylfolate affects hormone levels and detoxification.

Ask your doctor today to order a MTHFR genetic test and blood homocysteine level.

The beautiful thing is if you do test positive for the MTHFR C677T variant, there are countless protective and proactive measures you can apply immediately.

Take protective measures on a daily basis:

Eat organic and non-GMO foods
Reduce your intake of synthetic folic acid as the MTHFR enzyme does not convert it well to active methylfolate
Increase natural food folates found in uncooked leafy greens
Use a prenatal with active forms of folate such as methylfolate and folinic acid
Consider additional nutrients such as carnitine, CoQ10, DHA, krill oil. Probiotics, vitamin C, magnesium and phosphatidylcholine
Eat well-balanced meals with protein
If vegan, talk with your doctor about supplementing with methylcobalamin, an active form of vitamin B12, along with choline. One in five women are deficient in choline, which is a critical nutrient for brain development.

Last Edited by stillhere on 03/13/2015 02:27 PM

I have yet to deduce the answer....

I'm researching that now. My first idea is that soluble fiber is a great source in removing toxins from the body.

There is a wonderful nutritionist who is getting great results with her very ill patients by prescribing 1/2 cup of beans (for their soluble fiber) 6x a day.

Our bile gets reabsorbed my our bodies (it is full of toxins) the soluble fiber is able to grab this and remove it from the body. More info at

[link to www.karenhurd.com]

And I'm still looking for the best answer.

In the meantime avoid getting any more folic acid in any supplements or diet. A paleo diet is good for that.

Do you like hot sauce or BBQ sauce?

Sure we all do.

If it contains Sodium Benzoate toss it.

Very dangerous.

Folic Acid Fortification, Increase in MTHFR and Rise in Autism?

It is hypothesized here that the enhancement of maternal folate status before and during pregnancy in the last 15 years has altered natural selection by increasing survival rates during pregnancy of infants possessing the MTHFR C677T polymorphism, via reduction in hyperhomocysteinemia associated with this genotype and thereby miscarriage rates.

This also points directly to an increased rate of births of infants with higher postnatal requirements for folic acid needed for normal methylation during this critical neurodevelopmental period.

If these numbers have increased then so have the absolute number of infants that after birth fail to maintain the higher folate status experienced in utero thus leading to an increased number of cases of developmental disorders such as Autism.

Detection of the C677T polymorphism as well as other methionine cycle enzymes related to folate metabolism and methylation at birth as part of newborn screening programs could determine which newborns need be monitored and maintained on diets or supplements that ensure adequate folate status during this critical postnatal neurodevelopment period. source

[link to mthfr.net]

Last Edited by stillhere on 03/13/2015 02:37 PM

Excellent, adding Folic Acid to our food is BS

Sign the petition to end this crime against humanity.

[link to petitions.whitehouse.gov (secure)]

End Mandatory Fortification of Enriched Flour with Folic Acid Linked to Cancer
In 1947 scientists synthesized folic acid, a synthetic compound. In 1998, The FDA mandated that all enriched wheat flour was to be fortified with folic acid. This unilateral decision has turned into one of the worst health fiasco's in the history of our country.

It was based on data showing that low "folate" (found in green vegetables) status caused neural tube birth defects, which only affects approximately 1,500 US infants per year.

folic acid undergoes initial reduction and methylation in the liver,

where conversion to the THF form requires dihydrofolate reductase.

The low activity of this enzyme in the human liver, combined with a high intake of folic acid, may result in unnatural levels of unmetabolized folic acid entering the systemic circulation.

[link to wellnessmama.com]

Unmetabolized Folic Acid in Plasma Is Associated with Reduced Natural Killer Cell Cytotoxicity among Postmenopausal Women

Unmetabolized folic acid was detected in 78% of plasma samples from fasting participants.

We found an inverse relation between the presence of unmetabolized FA in plasma and NK cytotoxicity.

NK cytotoxicity was ∼23% lower among women with detectable folic acid (P = 0.04). This inverse relation was stronger among women ≥ 60 y old and more pronounced with increasing unmetabolized FA concentrations (P-trend = 0.002). Because of the increased intake of FA in many countries, our findings highlight the need for further studies on the effect of long-term high FA intake on immune function and health.

[link to jn.nutrition.org]

marked to read later

True. We should just do our best and keep from over stressing.

Stress is the big killer. I would add to that anger as well.

Look at how many people eat the 'wrong' foods, drink, smoke and still live to a ripe old age. If you talk to them, many are happy go lucky or just try to deal with whatever stress they have in whatever way they can.

They do what makes them happy. So eat the foods you like and take whatever supplements you are taking if that is what you want. Just use some common sense and moderation. Don't get obese. And get out and walk some to clear your mind. Even mall walking will do that for some.

And find some sort of spirituality if that is your thing. Get some peace in your life. Smile and laugh A LOT.

If you have some sort of DNA problem and something that is huge then deal with that. But most of us aren't in that boat so no need to stress over that. Still, find whatever happiness you can in life. It makes a big difference.