Chemtrails- only Shills believe they aren't?!

I don't care about swaying opinion. In fact, I hope chemmies believe what they want for the rest of their lives. But, lying about those who disagree is pathetic.

People are being threatened and aviation is getting a black eye because of ignorance.

There are a lot of people from both sides who spend way too much time here. Get over it. It's no reason to make accusations about character. Unless you're paranoid.

Last Edited by Will the Shill on 03/18/2015 01:42 PM

By the way...


Even though I agree with you about the water in the atmosphere being a concern, that doesn't change the fact that the trails are contrails. What the extra moisture does do is. Add to the idea that there are more trails than in the past. More moisture means less water vapor from the engine is needed to push the air past the supersaturation point.

But, by definition, the trails themselves are still contrails and there is no evidence they are anything more.

Have you discussed your position with any atmospheric scientists? I seem to remember Patrick Minnis talking about something familiar.

Not too sure i get that last bit. I was stating an observation as to the nature of your aggresive replying, insistent debunking and lack of topic variety spanning hours snd pages. Paranoid i must be.

Why are you worried about aviation getting a black eye? Are you trying to protect it? There are people whos job it is to make public announcements and protect the aviation industry in light of these matters. These trails paired with mainstream silence, scientific anomalies and covert geo engineering plans rings many bells.

Yeah, rings bells, got it.

Thanks

Ever seen the crazy sprinkler lady video. The rainbow in the sprinkler rang bells for her.

Just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's so.

It's funny how there is no other reason to explain tenacity on this site other than people are paid to post.

I was diagnosed as having aspegers as an adult, so the person who mentioned autism is on the right track. But, I am also obsessed about aviation and go nowhere without the Internet. Not to mention I'm forced to spend time in bed these days and TV is boring and I can be here while watching a movie.

But yeah, the only logical reason one spends too much time here is because chemmies say they are paid to.

Assumption after assumption after assumption. You people have created your own reality and it's sad.

Okay so show proof that they exist, not some condense trails that where there already from 1940 because of the exhaust gases from planes in a cold environment.

show the proof, facts people facts not just some silly recordings of simple condense trails of planes, thats not a chem trail.

And the trails we see all over the world are definitely the source of contrails?

Monday night watching: the weather man show a fast look of the clouds that came from Chemtrail planes because they sprayed all day near me and where the tv station was on.I was almost in shock when they showed a picture of the clouds left behind that afternoon. He said they were "high" clouds, but I saw those little rows like ribbons perfectly staight and knew they were chemtails.

I point up to the trails when I see people close by and they look at me like I'm nuts...like no one is home.

See tag line..bahhh

Maybe a small percentage are but most are not, because most people with intelligence and critical thinking skills know that they are purposely spraying the skies and assigning people to try to sway public opinion into believing that they are not.

I don't know what your point is. I doubt anything you say is going to change anyone's mind, it certainly will not change mine.

Chemtrails stupidest fucking conspiracy ever.

Then all the best to you my friend. I personally am on the fence leaning towards chemtrails being real - solely based on personal experiences. Maybe you should get the latest evidence, analysis and insiders to correlate into the ultimate debunking doc? Would save you much typing. unbiased of course. Let the evidence (or lack thereof) speak for itself. Could be a useful project.

No, the trails we see are the contrails.

At least I see no evidence that they are anything else. No matter how many links people find on the Internet.

Last Edited by Will the Shill on 03/18/2015 03:36 PM

The lack of evidence that the trails are anything but contrails should already speak for itself.

Thanks for your input.

Thank you for your input. Could you please answer the question?

Are all debunkers shills or is that just a word that hateful people use against those who disagree with them?

Thanks for your input. I have no desire to change the minds of those who believe in chemtrails. I just think that people should be honest with themselves and admit it's belief, not fact.

Please answer the question.

The spraying is getting crazy here in Dayton ohio, our sunny sky was ruined by these aerosols this morning, this is bioterrorism act

Please answer the question. Are those who don't believe the trails are part of a bioterrorism act paid to disagree or could they possibly believe they are something else?

No Debunker denies that Geoengineering patents, schemes, proposals, cost analysis, computer simulations, past governmental transgressions exist etc.; they were there long before the chemtrail crowd ever existed. What Debunkers are trying to communicate is simple!

The Persistent Trails in the sky most of you Chemtrail advocates point to as proof positive of your beliefs are nothing but water in the atmosphere (when conditions are optimal) which can be triggered by jet exhsust to turn into persistent visible ice crystal trails and cirrus clouds.

Your misconceptions would be funny except for the fact some of you ascribe horrible, evil intent to people who are just going about doing their jobs, just like everyone else. And then there are a group of people so angered by this wild speculation (without evidence) that advocate violence. That is where we debunkers draw the line. We refuse to be silent!!!!

Nice post George

Chemtrails

1) do many nations (G20) have the resources to unilaterally affect climate change. . . YES!

2) has much research been accomplished to evaluate climate alteration . . . YES!

3) is there adequate technology and materials available to alter the climate (Canada, Russia and US in best position to do so) . . . YES!

4) could some experimentation have been done to test the concepts without everyone knowing it . . . Yes!

5) are there adequate treaty agreements in place to prevent unilateral actions by one or a few nations or organizations . . . NO!

6) could a large scale implementation of geoengineering be accomplished and kept covert . . . NO!

7) would such a program look like the persistent trails in our skies and the accompanying cirrus cloud banks and haze . . . NO!

8) would any program (for any reason suggested) that requires injection of materials at altitude by aircraft look like persistent contrails (chemtrails) . . . NO!

:Contrail Chemtra:

Ok George, let's not go nuts here. No need to turn the thread into one of yours.

Boom! In my humble opinion, all this trailing is part of a video/holographic projection system. Smoke and mirrors.

Again, JMHO.....The game wasn't played LIVE it was projected, just like a lot of allegedly live music events in stadiums.

And Will, who funds Aviation education?

When I went to school, I funded it.

Did you answer the question?

They are chemtrailing the crap out of the sky in central ohio today! Look up!

No... but to answer it...No, not all but tbh, it feels pretty boring as a thread if the only answers you're allowing or wanting are basically yes or no!

I have a major problem with the concept of chemtrails. There's plenty of ways to do it absolutely invisible. There's more efficient delivery methods that would provide tighter security.

There's millions of reasons why no one would do things this way.

Then there's the matter of prop planes with piston engines still producing contrails as far back as the beginnings of world war 2. All fuel powered aircraft will produce these things, and the appearance of the trail will vary wildly depending on atmospheric conditions.

As far as the starting and stopping spraying videos go, people don't quite get that the atmosphere isn't absolutely consistent. You hit patches of denser or warmer air at times, if you've ever felt a plane drop, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Remember that plane with all the tanks inside that pictures of went all over the internet? That was a ballast system for a training aircraft, confirmed.


There's too many logical arguments against them, and no real evidence for them besides speculation and misinformation. Every time something appears to be legit evidence, it ends up being a hoax or misinformation.


You can't pretend to be part of the conspiracy community and act like making logical arguments and assumptions about things makes someone a shill. No, theories need tried and tested through well reasoned logic and scientific evidence. If they can't hold up to a little questioning, they're clearly not worth anyones' time.

Yes, I know it's boring. I didn't want it to be one of those exciting threads where people make single posts which contain 20 links from completely unrelated "programs" and call everyone a shill if they don't agree that the trails we see are related to all of the links at the same time. I'll leave that for the dozens of other chemmie threads. I'm kinda sick of the hateful nonsense presented by just a couple of a-holes who feel the need to TRY to dominate every part of the discussion. Feel free to find one of those threads.

Thanks for your input.

Nice post. Thanks for your input.