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Thank you, sorry I'm so shit with technology lol

No problem.

The general impression I am getting is mainly sourced from the internet: nearly every person commenting seems to feel there is mass corruption and mass cover-ups; apart from on this site: this seems to be the net net consensus - which I find amazing and awesome.

Off the net I haven't heard these issues discussed very much: a neighbour had seen the video of the children and found it disturbing and abhorrent, however she was in some confusion about who had done what and was of the mind: we don't do those things in this country... our convo was cut short so I did not get a full impression.

Others fully believe the politicians and celebrities mentioned are guilty - and though so far as I know they do not read alternative news sites - they denounce all of this sort of behaviour - I think ideas such as the 9th circle and a bigger conspiracy are points of interest to some of them, but apart from that, little has been said: I do know that a recently-deceased (allegedly) politician has been under some investigation for some time and I do know that the tax department is investigating people.



I do not believe the public in general is fully aware of the dangers posed to their children through the state system. I think the expression used on this forum: "cognitive dissonance" could apply here - that these things are crazy and happen to other people kind of thing.

I am probably not one of the better people to ask about general public reaction as I am a bit of a hermit and loner. I will keep my ears open.

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Thank you, redhouserebel.

Further to that, if I can just say, and I try to avoid going here to some extent, because some things are out of the realms of many people's capacity to comprehend - which sounds condescending - but often when something is so extreme or bizarre it is in fact difficult for the human mind to comprehend... take for example - the judge in this case talking about the balance of probability - so this says that if pedophiles act in bizarre ways so that the child's story is bizarre - they get a free ticket: so if they say - all the teachers wear willy hats and run around naked and the police come to the school and what have you - etc - not saying that has been said - I am just saying if you create bizarre environments - a child in a children's home being picked up in a limo to go meet politicians etc.... so... what I am saying is that things more bizarre than this can come into play - and indeed they have...


So - even if these groups and former methods of indoctrination are smashed and disarmed - this is not the end of what is happening - as one means to an end comes to an end - it is usually because it has been replaced with another means to an end - that end being economic gain... and it really does have to do with mind-control methods used and implemented by military intelligence - again through many divisions of society... this is even more dangerous than the discoveries people are making into the concepts being considered in this thread and on topics such as this... and you might wonder how anything could possibly be worse than any of this...


Quite often what is hardest to understand is the EXTENT to which something is happening. I don't know if this is a topic for this thread to diverge into or onto or not though. Unfortunately, when something is strange - the most sensible people can lose all credibility and it would be a shame for people telling the truth about one thing to go un-heard because of things others may not comprehend.


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You could be right.

redhouserebel, you are right. The main reason why people such as the judge and some of the people on this forum dismiss the reality of the case, is because they can't wrap their heads around this being true.

It has also been mentioned in documentaries about other satanic ritual abuse cases, that the main way that these satanists get away with such crimes is by acting in the most bizarre ways, which sound so outlandish and unbelievable to the average person, that the public and judicial officers simply dismiss it.

In the untrained and uninformed mind of the typical person, something like this just can't be true.

Further to that it seems this wouldn't be being exposed now if it wasn't the design of tptb that it do so - it's all so contrived to me - for generations people have suffered in ways unimaginable to many who have had false realities fed to them to conjure - well, varieties of belief systems among us all; certainly the people who find all this incomprehensible are of a different perspective to those who do these things and feel they are right to do so. Surely there are better ways than this - even if humanity really does have such a long way to go as it appears so often to be the case.


there is one major perspective we are continually lacking: the viewpoint of the people involved in these acts: I want to hear what they have to say - not the people up the chain manipulating beliefs and actions - but the people performing them; I want to hear one of them speaking openly and honestly about what they do and why and what they believe and think; in what way do they rationalise these things - how do they feel and think when they read about public opinion and response etc etc etc. What would they say if they had a voice?

For example, in this case: the evidence suggests recent abuse - sexually to the children: the children said that even though it was thought that they were not seeing their father that in fact he was coming to the school every day - but because the children's testimony was thrown out - then it was not possible to consider that he had seen the children at all - causing the judge to blame the mother's boyfriend.

However - these ideas link together in what has happened when you understand what I will call for want of terms to use - white swan theory: this would suggest that while the mother and father were separated but she was not involved with another person - the children are not abused - but when she gets involved with a new partner - she is not a white swan - so to speak - and so the sins of the mother are put upon the children - and they become enslaved - and the father is freed from the union: it is interesting to note that the father has a new girlfriend and this actually shows a degree of evolution having happened in the white swan cult theory - in the past - it was one love - then no more love - the alternative being homosexuality - because a second love was not acceptable and also because a second love jeopardises the first love and any offspring; this culture seemed to be entirely acknowledged and accepted - though the terms were pretty much non-negotiable.



Even the ritual of the murder of the baby seems to be a move away from the killing of the "whore mother" - or the slaying of the virgin woman etc - perhaps rationalised among the group as being somehow less wrong - a stolen unwanted rubbish baby - glorified in death and partaken of by those more psychologically vulnerable further down the chain.


That is why sometimes - even though to many of us this is evil in the extreme - I suggest not using words such as satanic - because while there ARE indeed those who prefer to think of themselves as satanic - there are also those who have done these things as part of religious culture which they have been led to believe in.

In this instance, indeed there do seem to be elements which imply deliberate satanism but elsewhere in similar events perpetrators have been led to believe all sorts of bizarre things - the biblical stirring of the bowels for example: it sounds preposterous to a half-educated person - but many are not even half-educated.


We all want this to end - we are happy to call for death sentences for this behaviour; I wonder if any of those people want it to end too? In the past they have done - but how do they leave? Can they only do so when the chains are broken higher up? How many choose to stay because they really are without a soul? They find enjoyment in what they do - they truly believe their social judgements are correct and that they are a superior elite etc.

How do you sieve through it all?



Back to the beginning of this post: the thing about this being exposed now and not before: in the last couple of years - the stories which have broken have all been about men of muslim or pakistani descent abusing white girls - in Rotherham and Oxford and what have you - and before this story hit the net - but not the mainstream news - the historical abuses were just that - historical and not related to this street level activity - and so a lot of what i see implied around the circuits of news and comments - is that this is breaking and being dealt with because it is now - not the elite white class which has the upper hand but a turning of the tables: I saw some tweets by Laud and associates about forced adoptions and fostering - should only be for foreigners and bless the children now being harmed; Laud as an indoctrinated slave having adopted an elite white tory persona - and to me this ties in with ISIS - the turning of the tables against the white swan idealists - a direct threat to them - and then for the first time comes public acknowledgement from a PM - Home secretary etc and a demand for a clean up of state facilities.

I strongly believe this case has been brought to light also specifically because of the Russian mother - and that that is political;...

Personally - I do not care the race creed colour social standing nationality religion etc of any person - whoever this is done to or done by - it is abhorrent in every sense: there is no master race - only ignorant fools who think so and so help to manipulate crime for the purposes of those higher up the chain to make gains and profits - in different ways - it may be said.




I yabber.

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In a way what I am trying to say, I guess, is that those among the security and intel forces who seek to end this terrorism - and that is exactly what it is - is by using a greater form of terrorism - or at least trying to give the impression of a greater terrorist threat - and I do not agree with this rationalisation - because again the innocent are dying to support it. Is that really how big the problem is - that there is really no other way?


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I once saw something, this summer it will be 22 long years ago. and this is one reason why I am convinced that the children spoke the absolute truth.

the next reason is that no one dares to check the "
private parts" of the accused teachers etc. and the reason for this should be the most obvious, I think we can all agree an that!

We sure can. You speak the truth. May I ask what you saw?

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Hi SL.

Thanks to you and everyone else too for keeping this going.

I won't be as elequent as RHR.

From what i seen and shared widely to my family and friends regarding this case.
No one would touch it or go near it.

As long as it didn't affect them or their kids no one really gave a shit.

To be honest i have disowned many of them over this.

What really pissed me off is most of my large family and extended family suffered at the hands of bastards like these for several years.

As i tried in vain to point out to them is that if they tolerate this,then thier children could suffer at the hands of these filth as they have done nothing to help spread awareness of this tidal wave of systemic child abuse.

Thanks to everyone helping to share and highlight this evil among us.

The problem is bad over here in the States too. Google McMartin Preschool. It was swept under the rug over here. If I ever have kids, I'm going to homeschool them and take care of them.

It breaks my heart to hear your family suffered under bastards like those at Hampstead. Keep on posting every now and then. I really want to know what happens to these kids 10-20 years down the road.

I think I'm going to call it a night. Good night, way2wyrd. MsMc should be along sometime soon.

a similar situation in the UK several years ago:

From the article..

The petition relating to the above video is here. It asks alleged abusers with distinguishing marks to come forward and demonstrate their innocence.

Thanks to commentator Sancho Panzer, the judgement is published here.

The Daily Mail reports – following a press release rather than investigating:

‘Satanic Cult’ dismissed by judge

The Telegraph also:

Satanic cult claims dismissed by judge
Mrs Justice Pauffley says claims circulating on internet are ‘baseless’ as she describes people who seek to perpetuate them as ‘evil’ or ‘foolish’ after fact-finding exercise.

Funny that neither article tells us about the fate of the children… Hampstead Research videos show her what fact finding is about!

And I will forever maintain that it is not compatible with EU Directives to Use the Secrecy of UK Family Courts to Cover-Up Criminal Activities. MEPs will look into this emergency application to the Petitions Committee in Brussels.

You can’t make it up. But then it is hard to live in reality. We need to go through ‘societal disillusionment’ towards ‘social empowerment’.

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Goodnight SL.

Boy oh boy, these truthers really do suck, it was an OPEN court, so Belinda McKenzie, instead of standing outside the court everyday in the cold like a lemon speculating what was going on could have been INSIDE, it seems a reporter from the ham and high was there in court everyday......

But in the words of Belinda "what a shame"

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I encourage you to watch the retraction videos and then answer me this....why are the children's accounts completely incoherent and inconsistent? I couldn't give a toss what the Judge says...there is no reason or logic behind any of this.

If I'm honest, I couldn't comprehend the children's initial testimonies initially, because it's out of my realm of thinking and I didn't want to believe any of it!

However, the things that followed i.e. the said confusing retraction statements, the way the children where interviewed, the line of questioning and the leading in those videos, made it perfectly clear in my mind that they have been abused and now where being threatened by a collusion of 'authoritieve' figures to withdraw their statements to protect elite satanists!

And then there is the interest of shills like you, who only highlight the cover-up further! Referring to it as a mere 'custody battle' and saying that the reason you're interested is, what was it again; because you enjoy seeing people get their "teenie weenie feetsy weetsies in a twist" (or something like that). You provide no logic, reason, back-up for your claims and trying to wind people up who are fighting for our country's children! You're not even a UK resident, but you go on like this is most important thing in your life and you must get the Judges word out to all! You have all the answers now don't you, now that you can refer to a ruling which came from a secret court, which must be the truth eh? Because that's your level of logic and ability to critically analyse something.

Another thing to consider is that these children, who reported to the Police as victims, WERE medically examined...as victims (and as we know, evidence of abuse was revealed) However, the perpetrators were NOT medically examined as suspects....WTAF? Why is that? If the claims where so far-fetched, then why where the children even examined? And why, when there was evidence of sexual abuse (which would corroborate their story) were the suspects not examined then! Come on now....you don't need to know the ins and outs of our ridiculous law system to see how preposterous this is! It's a blatant cover-up, therefore, of course the ruling is the ruling we all expected!

The extent of child abuse in this country is finally beginning to be revealed and the people need to unite and stand up for our children! If we don't protect them, then who will? Cafcass, Social Services, the Police, Schools.....I think not! People are becoming desensitised and I hear things like "not another MP pedophile", or "not another celebrity kiddie fiddler" - like it's the norm! I find it extremely disturbing and even more so that there are people on here trying to persuade others that the children where lying! Absolutely disgusting!

This isn't a case of having different opinions, this is a case of defending pedophiles or protecting children....I know which side I am on!

What I find strange is that they're focussing on historical abuse all the time (here in Belgium too -- churches, children's homes etc) while these things are happening all the time right under our noses! If anything I think the abuse has increased in the past decades as a tool to blackmail top level public figures into compliance with the NWO agenda. Maybe the focus on old cases is meant to signal "look, we're being good and brave in that we're prepared to examine our past sins so from this brave act you should ipse facto infer that it couldn't possibly be still going on"...

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Dear Mr Clark

Her Ladyship’s judgement is one of a political nature to sway public opinion such that she will get away with handing custody to the father with a criminal past and two non-molestation orders, while the mother had a residence order in place, when Barnet Police took her children.

If Mr Christie was the guilty abuser, why did he take the children to the Police?

Aangirfan publish Hampstead Biased Judge? with lots of significant comments.

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