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Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?

 
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Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
So?

I for some reason always thought deaf sign language is like, 'english, with hands'.

How does this work? Can people from different countries who know sign language really communicate?

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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Sign language is Country specific.
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Then is it technically a language?

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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Then is it technically a language?

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Definitely :-)
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
English is a spoken language, when you write the letters on a page is that a bastardized english? Writing, typing, signing, are all simply ways of expressing a language non-verbally.

People like you are the reason 99% of the threads on here are worthless, because they are too stupid to understand even the most basic concepts.
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
English is a spoken language, when you write the letters on a page is that a bastardized english? Writing, typing, signing, are all simply ways of expressing a language non-verbally.

People like you are the reason 99% of the threads on here are worthless, because they are too stupid to understand even the most basic concepts.
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
English is a spoken language, when you write the letters on a page is that a bastardized english? Writing, typing, signing, are all simply ways of expressing a language non-verbally.

People like you are the reason 99% of the threads on here are worthless, because they are too stupid to understand even the most basic concepts.
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If you're so knowledgeable, you could easily explain it instead of being an ass.
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Sign language is so specific, they hear more than ears :-)
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Then is it technically a language?

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Definitely, and though it is possible to make the hand signs to spell out words, most choose to use ideograms where the signs convey ideas much like the figures in Mandarin Chinese writing- It's quite a rich language actually.
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
babys who learn to sigtn develop an extensive vocabulary qucikly

motor skills to sign develop faster than those for speech

babies / toddlers who sign throw less fits as they are better able to communicate than babies who only attempt vocal communication
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
I'm not even sure what you're asking, OP.

ESL is English Sign Language.

Other countries have different sign language.

Where is your confusion?
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
I'm not even sure what you're asking, OP.

ESL is English Sign Language.

Other countries have different sign language.

Where is your confusion?
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Op asked a question. We don't all know the same things :-)
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
I'm not even sure what you're asking, OP.

ESL is English Sign Language.

Other countries have different sign language.

Where is your confusion?
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Op asked a question. We don't all know the same things :-)
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I wasn't trying to be offensive, I honestly didn't know what the question he was asking was. I really wasn't sure what he was confused about.

BTW, I think my IP changed, because I'm on my cell phone, lol.

The way he phrased the question was a little offensive, though. Maybe it was the language he chose.

Anyways, what the above poster mentioned about infants is true. It's also helpful for individuals with disabilities who can't use verbal speech. My son has speech apraxia, and we used sign language a lot in his infancy and toddlerhood. The words are the same words that are used in the English language, not just spelling them out (although you can do that also). But it's no different than English (but I wasn't totally fluent on it, so I wasn't as nuanced).

It helps develop the language centers of the brain, for those who even have neurological disorders (like speech apraxia).

We don't use it so much anymore, since his verbal language has much improved :)

But it activates the same language centers of the brain as spoken speech :)
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Then is it technically a language?

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I'm not even sure what you're asking, OP.

ESL is English Sign Language.

Other countries have different sign language.

Where is your confusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21351810


Op asked a question. We don't all know the same things :-)
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I wasn't trying to be offensive, I honestly didn't know what the question he was asking was. I really wasn't sure what he was confused about.

BTW, I think my IP changed, because I'm on my cell phone, lol.

The way he phrased the question was a little offensive, though. Maybe it was the language he chose.

Anyways, what the above poster mentioned about infants is true. It's also helpful for individuals with disabilities who can't use verbal speech. My son has speech apraxia, and we used sign language a lot in his infancy and toddlerhood. The words are the same words that are used in the English language, not just spelling them out (although you can do that also). But it's no different than English (but I wasn't totally fluent on it, so I wasn't as nuanced).

It helps develop the language centers of the brain, for those who even have neurological disorders (like speech apraxia).

We don't use it so much anymore, since his verbal language has much improved :)

But it activates the same language centers of the brain as spoken speech :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37906952

Thank You for clearing that up a bit.

Sorry that this might offend some... Some helpful person / people here answered my question though.

So sign language is a language, and is not at the same time, it would seem. For example someone in the US may learn Spanish, and someone in Pakistan may learn Spanish. They can then communicate with each other once they are proficient with it. This does not work the same way with sign language though.

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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
So?

I for some reason always thought deaf sign language is like, 'english, with hands'.

How does this work? Can people from different countries who know sign language really communicate?

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There are many forms of manual communication.
Signed English is one.
"AmSlam" is another.

Different dialects even in the hearing impaired world...
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
There are several forms of sign. American Sign Language (ASL) and English Sign Language are pretty close with most of the signs (symbolic gestures that mean something) however there is enough different words to actually consider them two different languages.

Another aspect here is even in ASL there isn't a direct word for word translation. Since signing is labor intensive there is a lot of short hand; EXAMPLE: tenses are rarely specified in common ASL communication unless the subject has changed.

Conjunctions (and, or, but, nor, etc...) are rarely used.

A sentence like "Peter is older than Jane" in ASL would be "Peter older Jane" the extra words are taken out.

So in truth, each form of sign language is actually a different language than the verbal language of its community.

American English and ASL are pretty much two different languages. not just because of the medium of the language (verbal over motion) but because of differences in sentence structure (grammar and syntax).
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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
So?

I for some reason always thought deaf sign language is like, 'english, with hands'.

How does this work? Can people from different countries who know sign language really communicate?

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Re: Question.... Is deaf sign-language just basterdized eng., or is it a real language?
Lights up the same areas of the brain as language so yes. Not quite English with hands, lots of spelling things out some things are pretty obvious in American sign language like car or pants.

People from different countries have different forms of sign language, people from the US and UK can't speak to each other too easily but people from US and FR can.