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"Crimea - A way home" documentary by Andrey Kondrashov

 
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spoken like a true loser Obama bot.
 Quoting: M1.618


Only in a dumb troll's mind does being anti-Putin mean that I'm pro-Obama.

norespect
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


But how should we call a person who considers all the people with different opinion as "paid shills"?
 Quoting: Tamonten


Why else would you post this nonsense Russian propaganda here? I haven't seen you make a post with criticisms of Putin or your government. Not once. You do that and I will reconsider my views towards you.
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


perhaps to give alternate data for others to consider unlike your shill.
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Yeah, it plays to a certain point for me and stops and returns to the beginning of the documentary.

Don't know why
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spoken like a true loser Obama bot.
 Quoting: M1.618


Only in a dumb troll's mind does being anti-Putin mean that I'm pro-Obama.

norespect
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


But how should we call a person who considers all the people with different opinion as "paid shills"?
 Quoting: Tamonten


Why else would you post this nonsense Russian propaganda here? I haven't seen you make a post with criticisms of Putin or your government. Not once. You do that and I will reconsider my views towards you.
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


I have plenty to say about the economical and financial policy of Russian government. For example - about measures which led to sudden drop of Rouble. They are "targeting the inflation", but ignoring such "unimportant" details as general decline of economy, insufficient money supply etc. etc. I have plenty to say about educational system which is now in comatose state - when my pupil (of Japanese) is asking me an advise considering his education all I can suggest him now is to choose a school which be less bothersome, because the educational system was virtually destroyed in last 10 years.
Does it count?

There's a whole lot of Russian internal problems. So far, however, all the discussions here I participated in are about external policy of Russia, which I believe to be as close as being to perfect ATM, as it's possible.
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I truthfully appreciate your efforts and know that you understand being Russian. Putin is not the best choice as he acquired 60 Bil from somewhere and land was annexed from rightful owners of it, for Sochi,

But out of what is out there perhaps he is the best choice compared to ...
the rest and the current Potus as many from the west would /do concur.

hf
 Quoting: M1.618


Don't really know what you are talking about. But if it's about Sochi, I may be able to shed some light on it in due time. My uncle from the father's side worked in construction there (bridge construction actually) and may know something. If you'll elaborate, I'll ask him next time he comes to visit.

I even have his video of drilling machine being lifted from the swamp. They managed to drop it there.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
With "Song of the Volga Boatmen" used as soundtrack...


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"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
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Only in a dumb troll's mind does being anti-Putin mean that I'm pro-Obama.

norespect
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


But how should we call a person who considers all the people with different opinion as "paid shills"?
 Quoting: Tamonten


Why else would you post this nonsense Russian propaganda here? I haven't seen you make a post with criticisms of Putin or your government. Not once. You do that and I will reconsider my views towards you.
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


I have plenty to say about the economical and financial policy of Russian government. For example - about measures which led to sudden drop of Rouble. They are "targeting the inflation", but ignoring such "unimportant" details as general decline of economy, insufficient money supply etc. etc. I have plenty to say about educational system which is now in comatose state - when my pupil (of Japanese) is asking me an advise considering his education all I can suggest him now is to choose a school which be less bothersome, because the educational system was virtually destroyed in last 10 years.
Does it count?

There's a whole lot of Russian internal problems. So far, however, all the discussions here I participated in are about external policy of Russia, which I believe to be as close as being to perfect ATM, as it's possible.
 Quoting: Tamonten


I was wrong. You're not a paid shill. You're just a follower. I can understand your position though, you post too harsh a criticism of your government & you'll be "disappeared."
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I was wrong. You're not a paid shill. You're just a follower. I can understand your position though, you post too harsh a criticism of your government & you'll be "disappeared."
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020


You are delusional.

I have plenty of acquaintances who are criticising every move of the government - starting with IT specialist I'm working with - and they are just fine. Hell, he and my another colleague went to protest against Navalniy brothers' lawsuit - and nothing happened.
Move on from your fixation about "chekist soviets" running Russia. It's not even close to the real picture.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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He as self proclaimed is the "Russian shill fighter" grasping at straws with the intelligence of his choses AV with nothing but reporting abusive posts to keep his karm respectable... probably never travelled or made the effort to consider a view outside his own fed on western programming from the TV set with his entire life purpose to justify his existence by fighting "Russian shills" on glp...
 Quoting: M1.618


I know. Met him in the original Ukraine thread by Luisport. He's in my ignore list for a reason.
 Quoting: Tamonten


I truthfully appreciate your efforts and know that you understand being Russian. Putin is not the best choice as he acquired 60 Bil from somewhere and land was annexed from rightful owners of it, for Sochi,

But out of what is out there perhaps he is the best choice compared to ...
the rest and the current Potus as many from the west would /do concur.

hf
 Quoting: M1.618


Don't really know what you are talking about. But if it's about Sochi, I may be able to shed some light on it in due time. My uncle from the father's side worked in construction there (bridge construction actually) and may know something. If you'll elaborate, I'll ask him next time he comes to visit.

I even have his video of drilling machine being lifted from the swamp. They managed to drop it there.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
With "Song of the Volga Boatmen" used as soundtrack...

 Quoting: Tamonten


Bottom line is in Canada if the city road has to go through your house you will get what the city thinks your house is worth.

In Russia more so.

But for all the evil there is much good, as much delight that does not come from materialism but the joy of being able to sing with friends and share food by the river on a warm summers day...

& ride the public transport observe people & be observed,
feel safe strolling late at night in the city,

That in the west does not exist..,

but life is difficult in other ways,

that perhaps would be difficult for a material mind to comprehend or a mind that is not traditionally Russian ( like those generations that built the west )
The older generation... sort of...

TI6 MEH9. C^I6IIINIII?
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Yeah, it plays to a certain point for me and stops and returns to the beginning of the documentary.

Don't know why
blink
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May be it's a purely technical problem. You can try to use another browser and/or device.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Tamonten  (OP)

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Bottom line is in Canada if the city road has to go through your house you will get what the city thinks your house is worth.

In Russia more so.

But for all the evil there is much good, as much delight that does not come from materialism but the joy of being able to sing with friends and share food by the river on a warm summers day...

& ride the public transport observe people & be observed,
feel safe strolling late at night in the city,

That in the west does not exist..,

but life is difficult in other ways,

that perhaps would be difficult for a material mind to comprehend or a mind that is not traditionally Russian ( like those generations that built the west )
The older generation... sort of...

TI6 MEH9. C^I6IIINIII?
 Quoting: Tamonten


Well, I think that I generally understood you.
Though that transliteration puzzled me for half a minute.

Actually I mentioned something like that in another thread lately. Not everything in the world have its price.


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And this means, now we need just one victory,
One for all of us - for any price.


Actually, it's noted that that very "for any price" part is not understood at the West. Multiple Russian experts reported to have very similar conversations with their Western counterparts: Western economists and politologists were asking "after what measures Russia will consider the price of opposing the West too big and starts to reconsider its attitude towards Donbass, Crimea, Ukraine in general, or even Syria for example?"
They just do not believe and can not comprehend that there could be some things in this world that can't be measured.

For us it's the question alike to "how much should I fine you for trespassing into private property to stop you from saving a child from the burning house?". A normal person will gladly accept any punishment in such situation.

BTW. It's a music band from Kazakhstan singing the song.
 Quoting: Tamonten

"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Ruskie propaganda at it's finest.
I want to go out of this world like I came in, screaming and covered in blood.
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Propaganda doesn't necessarily mean it is untrue. Sometimes propaganda takes a valid sensible point and beats it to death by reinstating it Over and over in an attempt of drawing more attention to it.
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OMG, Crimea Hollywood style. I don't this is a propaganda, it is an independent look by honest filmmaker on Crimea.

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OMG, Crimea Hollywood style. I don't this is a propaganda, it is an independent look by honest filmmaker on Crimea.

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 Quoting: SilenceInTheNight 25203998


There's a RT logo in the corner. For some it will be quite enough to declare it "Russian propaganda" even without watching.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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"It turns out that the Kremlin is not that creative. According to an article posted online yesterday, the Kremlin’s recent propaganda film celebrating the anniversary of Russia’s annexation of Crimea [“Crimea. The Way Home”], borrows heavily from a 1939 Nazi propaganda film about Sudetenland.

The creators of the Russian propaganda film “Crimea. The Way Home” which was filmed on the anniversary of the occupation of the peninsula by troops of the Russian Federation, was inspired by a 1939 German film, dedicated to the occupation of the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia.

Even the 1939 film’s title “German Sudetenland Returns Home” is mimicked by the Kremlin, the article says.

The film describes how as a result of the unfair Treaty of Versailles the Germans of Austria-Hungary became part of Czechoslovakia, and how justice was then done in 1939. Much of what is heard in the Nazi’s agitprop film is virtually identical to what the Russian media write today and what is shown on Russian television."

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"It turns out that the Kremlin is not that creative. According to an article posted online yesterday, the Kremlin’s recent propaganda film celebrating the anniversary of Russia’s annexation of Crimea [“Crimea. The Way Home”], borrows heavily from a 1939 Nazi propaganda film about Sudetenland.

The creators of the Russian propaganda film “Crimea. The Way Home” which was filmed on the anniversary of the occupation of the peninsula by troops of the Russian Federation, was inspired by a 1939 German film, dedicated to the occupation of the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia.

Even the 1939 film’s title “German Sudetenland Returns Home” is mimicked by the Kremlin, the article says.

The film describes how as a result of the unfair Treaty of Versailles the Germans of Austria-Hungary became part of Czechoslovakia, and how justice was then done in 1939. Much of what is heard in the Nazi’s agitprop film is virtually identical to what the Russian media write today and what is shown on Russian television."

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Great. Now filming a documentary about any territorial reclaim will automatically make you a Hitler-wannabe. Nice logic!

Not even mentioning the fact that Germany as a single state was created only in the second half of the 19th century. Only plausible historical claim that Germans could have managed to attain here was them being the successor of the 1st Reich - the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation. Under that logic a large chunk of Czech should be a part of it - hence Bohemian March.
But all the claims of 2nd and 3rd Reichs to be successors of 1st Reich are rather vague and are based almost purely on mythology. Nether spirit nor letter of old HRE was preserved in either one.

You can claim that USSR was not a successor of Russian Empire. Formally it's true - even if Stalin managed to revive a majority of Empire institutions in some way. But Russian Federation is firmly an USSR successor and de facto successor of Russian Empire (hence paid off debts of Empire). Russian claim on Crimea is strongest among the now existing countries.

But more importantly - and the film is focused on it - the people there wished for it. They tasted the rule of Ukraine and decided that they don't want it any more. Especially after seeing what happened in Kiev.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Just thought that now is the right moment to remind of this...
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
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the vid is ridiculous propaganda BS, imo.
make a video of "East Prussia A way home".

Russia is freakin' big already and has resources any country would dream of, still they can't get enough.
they need to grab and annex more and more.

time to show off the red line.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. The Crimea was Russian, is Russian, and without WW3 (or with it) will always be Russian.

It would make more sense for Putin to tell the US to demilitarize Hawaii and California..and get out. Actually, Virginia could be included.

What happened with East Prussia, West Prussia and Silesia was a gross historical wrong. Even Churchill, a rabid German hater, did not think that was a good idea--even he had his overlords.

I understand the mistrust that central Europeans have for Russia--and especially the Poles. However, as in tearing up the criminal Treaty of Versailles, Putin has a lot of leeway in his actions before there is anything that would galvanize resistance to (possible) Russian imperialism.





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