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Obama Officials Tell Armenians He Won't Recognize Genocide

Further breaching his 2008 pre-election promises to "recognize the Armenian genocide" at the hands of the Ottoman Turks between 1915-1917, US President Barack Obama will not recognize the genocide ahead of the 100th anniversary this Friday according to officials.

Armenian American leaders were invited to the White House on Tuesday to discuss the anniversary, but according to the Turkish Hurriyet Daily News, they were told by administration officials that Obama will not recognize the genocide.

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Armenian genocide was done by khazar masonic jew. inside ottoman ranks ones who took down ottomans like jew mason kemal ataturk.
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check yourself in mental clinic dude...
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At least not until they have leveled the playing field, which they are secretly working hard to accomplish. (And, if the truth be known, already have.)
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I just don't see it happening, personally. The Iraq-Iran war devastated Iran, and perhaps made them justifiably nervous that future US-backed attacks would happen. Also, a civilian Iranian airliner was shot down by a US ship back in 1990 or '91. Say what you will about them, but it's not like their fear of future attacks is any less justified than Israel's IMO. Despite these fears, they've never attacked another nation.
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At least not openly. Hezbollah comes to mind, and they have BOTH openly admitted it. Iran is no more immune to committing proxy wars than any other nation.

Condemn one, condemn them all.
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But then again, major terror funding has also come from Saudi Arabia, and they are considered a major US ally. I think we need to consider the possibility that Iran doesn't want to go to war with anyone. Iran is a very stable country compared to other Middle East nations were governments have collapsed (and ISIS fills the vacuum). Do we want another Iraq, Syria, Libya? The pattern should now be clear that preemptive war isn't worth it. With all due respect.
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Nobody here WANTS war. We simply don't fool ourselves into believing the fantasy than any nation of men is above committing it.

Nice try at evasion of facts by attempting to highlight the wrongs of others. That tactic is so worn.

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At least not until they have leveled the playing field, which they are secretly working hard to accomplish. (And, if the truth be known, already have.)
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I just don't see it happening, personally. The Iraq-Iran war devastated Iran, and perhaps made them justifiably nervous that future US-backed attacks would happen. Also, a civilian Iranian airliner was shot down by a US ship back in 1990 or '91. Say what you will about them, but it's not like their fear of future attacks is any less justified than Israel's IMO. Despite these fears, they've never attacked another nation.
 Quoting: bananachip80


At least not openly. Hezbollah comes to mind, and they have BOTH openly admitted it. Iran is no more immune to committing proxy wars than any other nation.

Condemn one, condemn them all.
 Quoting: JazzyG


But then again, major terror funding has also come from Saudi Arabia, and they are considered a major US ally. I think we need to consider the possibility that Iran doesn't want to go to war with anyone. Iran is a very stable country compared to other Middle East nations were governments have collapsed (and ISIS fills the vacuum). Do we want another Iraq, Syria, Libya? The pattern should now be clear that preemptive war isn't worth it. With all due respect.
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Actually, Iran IS suicidal. That's the thing most people don't get. I have been over it many times, but google the last mahdi, or 12th imam, and then realize that EVERY SINGLE PERSON running Iran (including the IRGC) believes it is their duty to bring about his coming to establish a global muslim caliphate. And they actually do not care what the cost to them will be for this.

When you realize this, you will look at Iran in a different light, including the idea of MAD. Hell, Ahmoudinanuthob used to PRAY for the "hastening of the coming of the mahdi" every single time he addressed the UN.
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Ryan Costello ‏@RN_Costello 3m3 minutes ago

Albright indicates that w/o JPOA, Iran breakout would have been reduced to a week or two by summer of 2014

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I just don't see it happening, personally. The Iraq-Iran war devastated Iran, and perhaps made them justifiably nervous that future US-backed attacks would happen. Also, a civilian Iranian airliner was shot down by a US ship back in 1990 or '91. Say what you will about them, but it's not like their fear of future attacks is any less justified than Israel's IMO. Despite these fears, they've never attacked another nation.
 Quoting: bananachip80


At least not openly. Hezbollah comes to mind, and they have BOTH openly admitted it. Iran is no more immune to committing proxy wars than any other nation.

Condemn one, condemn them all.
 Quoting: JazzyG


But then again, major terror funding has also come from Saudi Arabia, and they are considered a major US ally. I think we need to consider the possibility that Iran doesn't want to go to war with anyone. Iran is a very stable country compared to other Middle East nations were governments have collapsed (and ISIS fills the vacuum). Do we want another Iraq, Syria, Libya? The pattern should now be clear that preemptive war isn't worth it. With all due respect.
 Quoting: bananachip80


Actually, Iran IS suicidal. That's the thing most people don't get. I have been over it many times, but google the last mahdi, or 12th imam, and then realize that EVERY SINGLE PERSON running Iran (including the IRGC) believes it is their duty to bring about his coming to establish a global muslim caliphate. And they actually do not care what the cost to them will be for this.

When you realize this, you will look at Iran in a different light, including the idea of MAD. Hell, Ahmoudinanuthob used to PRAY for the "hastening of the coming of the mahdi" every single time he addressed the UN.
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The thing is, I see that as little more than religious babble (from them, not from you). Leaders paying lip service to the nation's religion; that's politics. I think Iran will become less religious as time goes by. If they were really so hard line in their religion, they wouldn't allow Christians or Jews to practice their religion there at all (something Saudi Arabia, for instance, doesn't allow).

Reform is a real possibility from the inside out in every nation. If warlike statements from Iran are going to be taken seriously every single time one is made, likewise peaceful statements should be taken seriously. Those were present in the UN speeches as well.
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For The Pilgrim Who Has Nearly Everything: First ‘Halal’ Sex Shop to Open in Mecca

A Dutch-German ‘Sharia compliant’ sex aid company is to establish a shop in Mecca, the Saudi Arabian city considered holy in Islam as it is believed to be the birth place of Mohammed.

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#ISIS shot down a helicopter east #Ramadi; crew all killed.. #Anbar #Iraq

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Breaking News:the Syrian Rebellion in Idlib and Hama Governorates have began Operation Battle of Victory.

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Sworn to Destruction: What Iranian Leaders Continue to Say about Israel in the Rouhani Era

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Iran’s military parade features truck with banner ‘Death to Israel’

Iran on Saturday marked Army Day with a military parade featuring new weapons systems, as well as a truck carrying a massive banner reading “Death to Israel.”
A televised broadcast of the parade was punctuated by repeated cries of “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.”
“If Israel makes a mistake,” the announcer on Iran television said during the broadcast, “those in Tel Aviv and Haifa will not sleep at night, not one person.”
The parade was held at the country's late leader Ayatollah Rouhollah Khomeini's mausoleum and was attended by President Hassan Rouhani as he reviewed the armed forces.

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'We will destroy ISIS': Iranian militia vows to fight terror group

Tehran, Iran (CNN)The Basij is a militia made up of fighters loyal to Iran's religious leaders; their mission is to protect the country's Islamic order.

To do that, they will go to any lengths necessary, including -- they say -- taking on ISIS.

"We all are prepared to go and destroy ISIS totally," one Basij commander told CNN. "If our Imam, our Supreme Leader orders us, we will destroy ISIS."

The commander says that, so far, the Basij has not been caught up in the fight against the feared Islamic extremists currently waging war in parts of Iraq and Syria.

But Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard's Quds Force, led by General Qassem Suleimani, is already training, advising and supporting Iraqi Shia militias in their fight against ISIS.

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Taliban Announce That Their Annual Spring Offensive in Afghanistan Will Begin on April 24th

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At least not openly. Hezbollah comes to mind, and they have BOTH openly admitted it. Iran is no more immune to committing proxy wars than any other nation.

Condemn one, condemn them all.
 Quoting: JazzyG


But then again, major terror funding has also come from Saudi Arabia, and they are considered a major US ally. I think we need to consider the possibility that Iran doesn't want to go to war with anyone. Iran is a very stable country compared to other Middle East nations were governments have collapsed (and ISIS fills the vacuum). Do we want another Iraq, Syria, Libya? The pattern should now be clear that preemptive war isn't worth it. With all due respect.
 Quoting: bananachip80


Actually, Iran IS suicidal. That's the thing most people don't get. I have been over it many times, but google the last mahdi, or 12th imam, and then realize that EVERY SINGLE PERSON running Iran (including the IRGC) believes it is their duty to bring about his coming to establish a global muslim caliphate. And they actually do not care what the cost to them will be for this.

When you realize this, you will look at Iran in a different light, including the idea of MAD. Hell, Ahmoudinanuthob used to PRAY for the "hastening of the coming of the mahdi" every single time he addressed the UN.
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The thing is, I see that as little more than religious babble (from them, not from you). Leaders paying lip service to the nation's religion; that's politics. I think Iran will become less religious as time goes by. If they were really so hard line in their religion, they wouldn't allow Christians or Jews to practice their religion there at all (something Saudi Arabia, for instance, doesn't allow).

Reform is a real possibility from the inside out in every nation. If warlike statements from Iran are going to be taken seriously every single time one is made, likewise peaceful statements should be taken seriously. Those were present in the UN speeches as well.
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"Leaders paying lip service to the nation's religion; that's politics. I think Iran will become less religious as time goes by."

Yeah, we will disagree on this one. It is not just lip service, imo. But we will see. You have to study them carefully, and what they say internally as well.

" If they were really so hard line in their religion, they wouldn't allow Christians or Jews to practice their religion there at all (something Saudi Arabia, for instance, doesn't allow). "

True, but they do so under great threat either way. And you have to consider that Iran has a Jewish population in the millions, so they cannot just up and ban them outright or face mass rebellion. That being said, just like any other despot nation, the people there live in fear and under threat of constant arrest or death.

"Reform is a real possibility from the inside out in every nation."

Absolutely, but the last time they tried, we just stood by and let them die in the streets...

And as for the last comment, yes, but Iran is well established at being master deceivers. They are known as some of the best "negotiators" in the world. Just because we *think* they are just blustering to their populace, does not mean they actually believe it. As we saw in 2009, the vast majority of Iran wanted change - change from this repressionistic lifestyle and they want reform. So why would the ayatollah and the IRGC be preaching things that do not necessarily appeal to the masses?


Just my opinion, and we shall see, but they (the clerics, the ayatollah, and the IRGC leadership) all firmly continue to believe in a mad end times eschatology. By design, that is not compatible with peace.
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ISIS to Western Christians: "You Won't Have Safety ... Until You Embrace Islam"

Approximately two months after the Islamic State (IS) published a video depicting its members slaughtering 21 Coptic Christians in Libya, on Sunday, April 19, the Islamic jihadi organization released another video of more Christians in Libya being massacred, this time for not paying jizya—extortion money demanded of the "People of the Book" according to Koran 9:29.

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"Leaders paying lip service to the nation's religion; that's politics. I think Iran will become less religious as time goes by."

Yeah, we will disagree on this one. It is not just lip service, imo. But we will see. You have to study them carefully, and what they say internally as well.

" If they were really so hard line in their religion, they wouldn't allow Christians or Jews to practice their religion there at all (something Saudi Arabia, for instance, doesn't allow). "

True, but they do so under great threat either way. And you have to consider that Iran has a Jewish population in the millions, so they cannot just up and ban them outright or face mass rebellion. That being said, just like any other despot nation, the people there live in fear and under threat of constant arrest or death.

"Reform is a real possibility from the inside out in every nation."

Absolutely, but the last time they tried, we just stood by and let them die in the streets...

And as for the last comment, yes, but Iran is well established at being master deceivers. They are known as some of the best "negotiators" in the world. Just because we *think* they are just blustering to their populace, does not mean they actually believe it. As we saw in 2009, the vast majority of Iran wanted change - change from this repressionistic lifestyle and they want reform. So why would the ayatollah and the IRGC be preaching things that do not necessarily appeal to the masses?


Just my opinion, and we shall see, but they (the clerics, the ayatollah, and the IRGC leadership) all firmly continue to believe in a mad end times eschatology. By design, that is not compatible with peace.


It's true that Iran crushed the last rebellion, but so did Saudi Arabia and so did Bahrain. The latter two extremely brutal cases didn't elicit much outrage in the US, or even much media coverage at all. That's worth thinking about. It seems like we have a pattern of supporting the crushing of rebellions in countries that tend to do our bidding, no matter how repressive their governments are.

As for deceivers, many would say the same thing about the US, yes? The US government has a history of defying the will of its population as well. In fact, all governments do. That's why change happens slowly. The US didn't have all the rights we have today back in 1776; we changed from within. And it took a long time. We shouldn't expect it to happen faster elsewhere.

To suggest that Iran's leadership wouldn't completely outlaw the practice of the Jewish religion in Iran because of the risk of an uprising means the leaders there are more than capable of thinking rationally, which makes the suicidal claim harder to swallow. As you said, the end times stuff goes way, way back like all the most popular religions do. Old men saying the words they're supposed to say to stay in power, dry old words that lose their power as time marches by.
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It's true that Iran crushed the last rebellion, but so did Saudi Arabia and so did Bahrain. The latter two extremely brutal cases didn't elicit much outrage in the US, or even much media coverage at all. That's worth thinking about. It seems like we have a pattern of supporting the crushing of rebellions in countries that tend to do our bidding, no matter how repressive their governments are.

As for deceivers, many would say the same thing about the US, yes? The US government has a history of defying the will of its population as well. In fact, all governments do. That's why change happens slowly. The US didn't have all the rights we have today back in 1776; we changed from within. And it took a long time. We shouldn't expect it to happen faster elsewhere.

To suggest that Iran's leadership wouldn't completely outlaw the practice of the Jewish religion in Iran because of the risk of an uprising means the leaders there are more than capable of thinking rationally, which makes the suicidal claim harder to swallow. As you said, the end times stuff goes way, way back like all the most popular religions do. Old men saying the words they're supposed to say to stay in power, dry old words that lose their power as time marches by.



No I agree with you on the Saudis and Bahrain, among others. I agree with the US as well, to a certain extent. I am also not saying we should be supporting the KSA or others like them.

My entire point is that Iran is different. I am not saying they are suicidal in the sense that they are nuts. I am saying they firmly believe what they are preaching, but I have also studied them for a very, very long time. And I guess that is where we can amicably disagree - in Iran, the end times stuff as you put it, or eschatology, will not go away. And therein lies the difference. This is also very much understood by Bibi and Israel. It is actually well understood by the Saudi's and GCC, which is why they are making their moves. We're close, very close, to Iran making it's move.

Wait and see, we shall =)
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MOVING ON....

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MOVING ON....

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MOVING ON....

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LOL... sorry Jazzy =)
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Ignoring Iran’s ‘Death to America’ for a Profit

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#AQAP member & a popular tweep in both English & Arabic, Muhannad Ghallab @bkagn1 reportedly killed by drone strike #Yemen - @HalaJaber

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lol have you guys seen this one?

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Saudi ambassador to DC: When Houthis and allies make an aggressive move, there will be a response #Yemen - @ahmed

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lol have you guys seen this one?

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oops rofl
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lol have you guys seen this one?

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LOL That called for clean underwear all around! LOL
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Leaders of Asian and African nations are calling for a new global order

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Michael R. Gordon ‏@gordonnyt 9m9 minutes ago Washington, DC

Violating #Minsk agreement, Russian military has deployed more air defenses in eastern #Ukraine, including near front lines, State Dept says

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Josh Rogin ‏@joshrogin 1m1 minute ago

.@marieharf: "Russia has continued to ship heavy weapons into eastern Ukraine since the “Minsk 2” ceasefire took effect on 15 February."

To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders.

A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock.

A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him.

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