Do the universal mathematical patterns reveal a divine mathematician. or deny him, substituting simple random chance ?

To quote is not needed, there will always be opponents of the ideas and theories.
I am addressing to an imaginary "you" and presume there will be none to feel offended.
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1. Anything possible to exist, to manifest is what YOU can perceive and understand.
If yes - there's no argument to make YOUR mind work outside nerves' impulses coming from body senses, physiology and processes given by materialistic-atheist knowledge....
Except the life events and biological end.
There's no "science" and/or "intelligence" to describe and predict with 100% accuracy the coming events, facts, feelings, etc.
2. YOU believe in science, in the human being's ability to discover everything.
That's YOUR religion - the Science - and your god is the non-existent matter, now a presumable sub-sub-particle cannot be "harvested"...
The thing is this belief in impersonal, non-rational something is not new, you can find today amulets, idols...
and the "surprise" is that more you learn, more you "see" is not that "stupid" what you can understand it is behind the appearance...
It seems that is not "chaos", not "randomization",...
And YOU can understand that the concept (idea) of "chance" is part of something manifesting with precise rules, clear order.
More you "talk", more you find that the "freedom" of thinking is actually the negligence to use the concept of a very precise system; a way to oppose verbally and mentally to the rules YOU cannot change, remove or replace...
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Final idea:
You should never try to figure out what or how the Lord of the Gods (closer designation) looks like or thinks...
He (not she, neither it...) is like a person in our understanding to learn He has all the abilities we can imagine and more, He can do anything we think of and more...
Most important, He cannot be compared to anything so is no need to IDENTIFY Him.
The question of "identity" comes in the mind only if you see, conceive at least 2 (two) - somehow - "similar" pieces of .. same something!
Is no way to thing about similar, alternate Lord of the Gods because you contradict the definition.
(Sorry, English and most languages are too poor in meanings and terms to give a close or near proper meaning of the nomination, description of known characteristics).
Is not "The One" - merely is only ... "The ..." everything; you cannot count because there is no Math with a single element and infinite aspects and infinite rules...
YOU cannot measure, you cannot smell, touch,...
The ability of - let's say - His thinking is not what people call as "intelligence"; intelligence is accessible to human beings but His is something we cannot understand, see, and our mind to process - the mysteries (again, English has no sufficient terms to define "the unknown" ever impossible to be revealed, described, shown, found...).
Do not blame what YOU don't understand, do not think YOU're better than "something" that cannot be simplified as a "thing"!
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There's no Divine intentions - intention implies TIME,(1st moment of "choosing" and 2nd moment when bringing the intention in the reality) and is no time running within Him, only the quality of the transformation in the "material" world...
Already is given from the beginning for ever the freedom to choose:
- to find and live with the respect to the Lord's rules
- to reject His rules and warnings, and play YOUR game.
Guess who is going to win, His will or yours?
Does it worth to lie yourself on the "power" of the science and reaching the "happiness" in the physical existence?
YOU choose.

Genesis 1 actually states that He will accomplish man in His image and His Likeness.....
Hence put off the old man.....put off the lie
Hence to put on CHRIST.....the truth...is that new creation.
Because all of scripture revolves around what that serpent hisses....that you can be AS GOD knowing good and EVIL.
But Jesus Christ's affirms that God is good alone.
See the debate which is set forth and why it is Michael who was to deliver for his name is actually a question, asks a question...who is like God?

So to be accomplished in His image and likeness we must be born again.

As for your other comments, Faith is a gift of God. It's not even my own for God apportioned to each a measure of faith....a measure of the faithfulness of Christ , so it is not I but christ who lives in me...
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Hi DGN, I thought you might like this:-
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If there was a superior being, a divine creator, would God need your acceptance of evidence to exist? Evidence is a personal condition of personal belief.

The divine mathematical pattern has now been discovered and decoded. Its connection with superstring theory, the mathematics of the seven diatonic scales and human DNA is fully analysed here, as well as its representation in the sacred geometries of the world's religions:

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So amazing and detailed are their correspondences and so beautiful are their properties that there cannot be any doubt that they reveal the mathematical perfection of a transcendental intelligence. To argue otherwise is to believe in a chain of chances so long that it amounts to preferring miracles.

Numbers exist independently of mans ability to perceive them or their patterns. Numbers may be things!!!

But yeah, what he said.

That can be healed;
'Listen, O sons, to the discipline of a father and pay attention, so as to know understanding. 2 For good instruction is what I certainly shall give to YOU. My law DO not leave. 3 For I proved to be a real son to my father, tender and the only one before my mother. 4 And he would instruct me and say to me: “May your heart keep fast hold of my words. Keep my commandments and continue living. 5 Acquire wisdom, acquire understanding. Do not forget, and do not turn aside from the sayings of my mouth. 6 Do not leave it, and it will keep you. Love it, and it will safeguard you. 7 Wisdom is the prime thing. Acquire wisdom; and with all that you acquire, acquire understanding. 8 Highly esteem it, and it will exalt you. It will glorify you because you embrace it. 9 To your head it will give a wreath of charm; a crown of beauty it will bestow upon you.” Pr4

What if the math itself is the divinity?

God is beyond human comprehension. No need to say another word, or parrot another verse of your scripture. But God can be Known...which you know nothing about.

Teach me. What is his solution to Satan's reign of terror?

both.

Perfection of knowledge and immortality of body is the 'goal'.

Before you can start the next phase you have to complete the first one before you can take advantage of any of the rewards of crossing the 'finish-line'. So far the phase 1 part take 120 years to the day, that should supply the answer to how many 'have finished the course' to this date. The writer of Revelation is it, . . . in full. The 3rd vision of Fatima is her return as a perfected human and that appearance is take mankind by the hand into phase 2. Knowledge about an immortal body of flesh and all the knowledge it is meant to contain. The 2/3 of the Angels that have already doing that phase will elevate into the 3rd phase, doing things after you are perfected.

Almost right. It does NOT infer belief in deliberate intelligent intention and design.

Scientific observation is simply that - observation. With enough empirical data a plausible theory may be derived. With enough experimentation and data, the theory is either proven or disproven. If disproven, the process starts again.

Where is the almighty in all this?

Nice thought....God does not "need" anyone's acceptance of evidence that He exists.....but he does tell us that to ignore the evidence is.....well....let the scripture do the explaining:


"
 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened."- Romans 1:18-21

The question is, what becomes of those who declined the divine invitation to survive the tribulation, once time has expired?
"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." Mt24:21

" because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;" Ro1:19

Exactly....like i posted above......you are allowed to use the same scripture though....



Like a hill of beans,,,

Ha! As if God can be expressed in human language like math. HAHA!

Its all natural flow. Natural order.

What is good is naturally defined in time

God created nature, and everything

That is the closest what we have in evidence of what is perfect in Gods eyes

Thats what bears good fruit is what grew perfect and healthy

cannot be described in language.

Fresh bread and water ... No expensive lobster or caviar

Surely you can find God in math but it isnt neccacery

you think God is in need of good mathematicans?

Hahaha

Order occurs naturally, without cause to manipulate the effect?

YES.

Absolutely

Just like everything is in perfect orbit

what is good is naturally rewarded

ponder this deeeply. from a humble position

God is that natural. And believe. He manisfested himself upon the highest throne in the heavens there is.

And justified!

Natural order is where God is found. And where he was found in our history.

You think man can rebel and beat natural order?

Hahahahhahaha

HELL NO

That doesnt mean he cannot manifest

or intervene

He is your consiousness x infinity, all that is

he just already made his mind up

Gods will is done

either way

all glory for the most high

Seems a bit a contradiction, ...."God is beyond human comprehension".....then.."But God can be known".....

Jesus made God very comprehensible to the human race...

At least 'to whom it may concern' anyway.
"God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.' Hb1

Ya mean like math created God scenario?

BillyBob her cm an no no no that aint how it works. wha happin waz everyfing waz real quite until the big explosion which created the universe which created God, then the cavemen came and invented math soz they could count how many.
At least thats wha my buddy keith stone sayz. so didja git it?

Well, where did the big explosion come from Billy Barf...?
Something cant happen from nuthin............

it kin if everfing up an went backwards cryin out loud