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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777


I am coming to conclusion that enlightenment is total embodiment and the appearance of energy in the crown is merely symbolic. If you were to be full of light, would not your whole body shine? I fail to see why only the head would.

Is the foot more important than the hand? Nay, I say all things have their function and are equally useful.

But I will attest I have more energy in my head than elsewhere, as if it rises on its own. Which makes sense in a physics sort of mentality.
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Most, if not all, of it is written in the Bible, believe it or not, but it isn't the exoteric understanding, it's the esoteric. One should avoid all of the dogma, which is not much more than the social rules of cliques, and look deeper.

Even hymns sometimes contain the esoteric, but whether or not the writers knew what they were writing, I don't know. It could be that they only understood the exoteric nature of their words.

I've only heard one preacher speaking the esoteric disguised as exoteric. It was being played on a radio in a store I had just walked into. It was a bit surreal to hear him doing it, and when I checked out I said to the cashier, "I know what he is saying. I wonder if he knows what he is saying." Her reply told me that though she thought he did know what he was saying, she had no clue.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

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[In a thousand years we will experience a pole shift.]

That, in my perception, is belief. Now, you may have dabbled in things I have not, and have come to certain conclusions because of your findings. In that I impart to you my congratulations as I have failed to find conviction in any thing, but not that it is not possible.

The main reason behind my shunning of cultural attachments is that I have found many mindful creations contain within them a paradox and to believe in anything with absolution, automatically precludes you from believing in the opposite. In other words, you trap yourself in your own belief and kill the possibility of new growth.

Not only that but my meditation has entirely killed the need for the thought process. It is only my attachment to self and my intelligence that I continue to try to deduct the inherent paradox we find ourselves living in. And somehow, some knowing, some intuition within me, knows that anything of the mind is very unimportant and that "being" the great "I am" is the only solution to liberation and can only be found within ourselves, regardless of how we cling to social interaction and reflections, much less the things of reality.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Hmmm, well, I can believe in something and yet remain flexible and open to new possibilities at the same time.

"Wherever you find yourself, there you are"

For whatever reason, you are a human being on Earth, right now. You are not the "I AM" at this time, in this perception, anyway.

You meditate and to a degree put aside your material nature, but you do so in a negative polarity dominated environment as we both seem to agree originally.

So you are approaching the spiritual in a negative polarity situation. It does not occur to you that the energy surrounding Earth is also in negative polarity?

So your interactions with spirits on "The other side" or information that comes to you from there is leaning negative.

"But I've seen angels of light and love..."

I offer you to consider that Negative polarity is by virtue Deceptive, and a common tool of deception is "Wolf in Sheep's clothing", is it not?

The way in which one deceives is to appeal to the ego, and become irresistible to it.

Ask yourself if feeling as if you are becoming the "I AM" is appealing to your ego?

I suggest yes. We may ultimately become or rejoin the "I AM" however, it is a universal ocean of distance, of spectrum, between our life here and THAT.

Wherever you find yourself, there you are.

You ARE here. This is your Dharma, your framework.

Things continue to HAPPEN, verus the "I AM" where everything that has happened is, and everything that will was.

Things will Happen, here and now, and it might be advisable to consider them.

Maybe not what I'm saying, but any number of possibilities to consider.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


no no no no no XD

"I am" is reference to a pure state of "being"

Just are. No ins no outs no mind just are. Like a tree. Do you see?

Living void is the best I can describe it.

I will not argue with you sir! You are projecting onto me but do not see how I feel! I apologize if I upset you.
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Most, if not all, of it is written in the Bible, believe it or not, but it isn't the exoteric understanding, it's the esoteric. One should avoid all of the dogma, which is not much more than the social rules of cliques, and look deeper.

Even hymns sometimes contain the esoteric, but whether or not the writers knew what they were writing, I don't know. It could be that they only understood the exoteric nature of their words.

I've only heard one preacher speaking the esoteric disguised as exoteric. It was being played on a radio in a store I had just walked into. It was a bit surreal to hear him doing it, and when I checked out I said to the cashier, "I know what he is saying. I wonder if he knows what he is saying." Her reply told me that though she thought he did know what he was saying, she had no clue.
 Quoting: SilverKwest


I have read the bible front to back and I will not get into this religion because of the crazy fuckers here but it does have some great stuff in it. But yeah, no dogma for me. I don't even have morals! But I know I feel good when I treat people well and I feel bad when I do not. So thats that! ^^
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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777


I am coming to conclusion that enlightenment is total embodiment and the appearance of energy in the crown is merely symbolic. If you were to be full of light, would not your whole body shine? I fail to see why only the head would.

Is the foot more important than the hand? Nay, I say all things have their function and are equally useful.

But I will attest I have more energy in my head than elsewhere, as if it rises on its own. Which makes sense in a physics sort of mentality.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Valid points.

When The Energy is strong, the whole body expresses it. Not just the energy centers.

It pulses out of every pore and cell of your skin. There IS a tangible quality to it and when pulsing through the third eye with force, the eyelashes will feel the energy, which causes them to unconsciously blink. Even if the eyes are closed. You can feel it on your eyelashes. Like a very slight breeze.

I believe that this CAN be seen and measured with the right equipment. What type of equipment I am unsure, as it is beyond the spectrum the human eye can perceive, without assistance.

I am probably relating what you already know but I am enjoying our conversation and how it is manifesting.

I hope you don't mind images. I find it help to relay meaning without excess verbiage.

illuminated2
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Most, if not all, of it is written in the Bible, believe it or not, but it isn't the exoteric understanding, it's the esoteric. One should avoid all of the dogma, which is not much more than the social rules of cliques, and look deeper.

Even hymns sometimes contain the esoteric, but whether or not the writers knew what they were writing, I don't know. It could be that they only understood the exoteric nature of their words.

I've only heard one preacher speaking the esoteric disguised as exoteric. It was being played on a radio in a store I had just walked into. It was a bit surreal to hear him doing it, and when I checked out I said to the cashier, "I know what he is saying. I wonder if he knows what he is saying." Her reply told me that though she thought he did know what he was saying, she had no clue.
 Quoting: SilverKwest


I have read the bible front to back and I will not get into this religion because of the crazy fuckers here but it does have some great stuff in it. But yeah, no dogma for me. I don't even have morals! But I know I feel good when I treat people well and I feel bad when I do not. So thats that! ^^
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Don't feel alone, they consistently tell me I am going to hell. Four of them thought they were going to cast a demon out of me. I just smiled at their efforts then went on my merry way. Makes one wonder if they are intentionally turning people off from the Bible, or if they truly think they are doing the right thing. 'Nuff of that, though.

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777

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1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
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Valid points.

When The Energy is strong, the whole body expresses it. Not just the energy centers.

It pulses out of every pore and cell of your skin. There IS a tangible quality to it and when pulsing through the third eye with force, the eyelashes will feel the energy, which causes them to unconsciously blink. Even if the eyes are closed. You can feel it on your eyelashes. Like a very slight breeze.

I believe that this CAN be seen and measured with the right equipment. What type of equipment I am unsure, as it is beyond the spectrum the human eye can perceive, without assistance.

I am probably relating what you already know but I am enjoying our conversation and how it is manifesting.

I hope you don't mind images. I find it help to relay meaning without excess verbiage.

:illuminated2:
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting, you are probably more pure than me, if you do not smoke. My experience is slightly muted because of the toxic fog within my body. I can quit, but I go right back to it when I cling to my other habits. My body has been on fire for a long time now and I keep making it harder on myself. When I quit, I feel like a god. I will walk miles in the hot sun and not feel tired or thirsty or hungry one bit. But when I come home and watch a movie or play a card game, I cling to the enjoyment/suffering of the activity and I get anxiety and I go buy another pack of smokes. This flip flop has been going on for years now, but every time I quit I grow larger and I know eventually I will break through. So your experiences are slightly unknown to me (parts of the poem and eyelashes) but I am not in sorrow. I am glad you are on a different path to the same summit. It is refreshing to know others are trying within this cesspool of information.

I bet they could. If when I focus my energy and the plastic in my room pops and the boards moan, then I know this experience is tangible and that energy could very much be detected by something. Sadly our society does not pursue these interests much.

Most of the things I am certain of come by way of feeling. Pictures evoke that much more than words. Probably why the ancients used symbols a lot.

Although it is curious. Enlightenment means full of light. That suggests positive polarity and goodness, not neutrality. And most enlightenment photos show a bunch of colour. But it doesn't match up with the other neutrality signposts in esoteric works. It is so confusing and I am so close to done trying to figuring it out. Lol.
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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
 Quoting: paler.


Hello Paler. I was thinking of you yesterday. :)

It was lovely. With that said, I had no understanding of what I was about to experience. My life, experiences, understanding up to that point, only offering the very slightest of 'tools' to work with.

I explained it like being 'left naked and blindfolded in a Labyrinth'. And as scary as that sounds, it was. But also ultimate bliss, connection...indescribable really.

In the end it was Intuition and my exceedingly strong Will which got me through. Also assistance from the many I met along the way.


I do need to pick of meditating again. I think of it often. Not sure why I don't go there...
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Most, if not all, of it is written in the Bible, believe it or not, but it isn't the exoteric understanding, it's the esoteric. One should avoid all of the dogma, which is not much more than the social rules of cliques, and look deeper.

Even hymns sometimes contain the esoteric, but whether or not the writers knew what they were writing, I don't know. It could be that they only understood the exoteric nature of their words.

I've only heard one preacher speaking the esoteric disguised as exoteric. It was being played on a radio in a store I had just walked into. It was a bit surreal to hear him doing it, and when I checked out I said to the cashier, "I know what he is saying. I wonder if he knows what he is saying." Her reply told me that though she thought he did know what he was saying, she had no clue.
 Quoting: SilverKwest


I have read the bible front to back and I will not get into this religion because of the crazy fuckers here but it does have some great stuff in it. But yeah, no dogma for me. I don't even have morals! But I know I feel good when I treat people well and I feel bad when I do not. So thats that! ^^
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Don't feel alone, they consistently tell me I am going to hell. Four of them thought they were going to cast a demon out of me. I just smiled at their efforts then went on my merry way. Makes one wonder if they are intentionally turning people off from the Bible, or if they truly think they are doing the right thing. 'Nuff of that, though.
 Quoting: SilverKwest


My aunt told me to shut my mouth Satan in the name of Jesus. :D

They do everything OPPOSITE of what the book says. It's really infuriating.

Now, some of them have been super great, just seems like the majority I have interacted with only regurgitate what the preacher says and don't even read the book.
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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind


Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
 Quoting: paler.


Interesting. Because of my smoking, my heart is super clogged...well not clogged..daily I am trying to burn out the residue, I am able to feel and be compassionate, but there is still a heavyness I wish was gone. I have read a lot of oriental work mentioning these centers. Thanks for sharing.
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Valid points.

When The Energy is strong, the whole body expresses it. Not just the energy centers.

It pulses out of every pore and cell of your skin. There IS a tangible quality to it and when pulsing through the third eye with force, the eyelashes will feel the energy, which causes them to unconsciously blink. Even if the eyes are closed. You can feel it on your eyelashes. Like a very slight breeze.

I believe that this CAN be seen and measured with the right equipment. What type of equipment I am unsure, as it is beyond the spectrum the human eye can perceive, without assistance.

I am probably relating what you already know but I am enjoying our conversation and how it is manifesting.

I hope you don't mind images. I find it help to relay meaning without excess verbiage.

illuminated2
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Interesting, you are probably more pure than me, if you do not smoke. My experience is slightly muted because of the toxic fog within my body. I can quit, but I go right back to it when I cling to my other habits. My body has been on fire for a long time now and I keep making it harder on myself. When I quit, I feel like a god. I will walk miles in the hot sun and not feel tired or thirsty or hungry one bit. But when I come home and watch a movie or play a card game, I cling to the enjoyment/suffering of the activity and I get anxiety and I go buy another pack of smokes. This flip flop has been going on for years now, but every time I quit I grow larger and I know eventually I will break through. So your experiences are slightly unknown to me (parts of the poem and eyelashes) but I am not in sorrow. I am glad you are on a different path to the same summit. It is refreshing to know others are trying within this cesspool of information.

I bet they could. If when I focus my energy and the plastic in my room pops and the boards moan, then I know this experience is tangible and that energy could very much be detected by something. Sadly our society does not pursue these interests much.

Most of the things I am certain of come by way of feeling. Pictures evoke that much more than words. Probably why the ancients used symbols a lot.

Although it is curious. Enlightenment means full of light. That suggests positive polarity and goodness, not neutrality. And most enlightenment photos show a bunch of colour. But it doesn't match up with the other neutrality signposts in esoteric works. It is so confusing and I am so close to done trying to figuring it out. Lol.
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I was a smoker when all this started and only recently quit. About 3 months ago.

For myself, the cigarettes are what to help keep me sane. Or at least some semblance of sanity.

When drowning in a sea of synchronicity, the overwhelming nature of dissonance and 'restacking' my 'belief system', I found they would calm me and give me a sense of control over my environment.

Much has settled now and the storms I once experienced daily are not nearly as severe. So I decided it was time to quit. It has been easy for me and I don't think about it. But I did have to make the choice for myself.


Yes. The energy IS a tangible force and I love that you experience 'The Pops'. They are very distinct and occur with thought. There is a slight squeeze before the pop that will be noticeable if very vigilant.

It would be seen as a waveform. Colors perhaps relating to temperature.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
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Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
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1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
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Hello Paler. I was thinking of you yesterday. :)

It was lovely. With that said, I had no understanding of what I was about to experience. My life, experiences, understanding up to that point, only offering the very slightest of 'tools' to work with.

I explained it like being 'left naked and blindfolded in a Labyrinth'. And as scary as that sounds, it was. But also ultimate bliss, connection...indescribable really.

In the end it was Intuition and my exceedingly strong Will which got me through. Also assistance from the many I met along the way.


I do need to pick of meditating again. I think of it often. Not sure why I don't go there...
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hi Seer,
yes it can be quite magical, like such things it cant be forced, only when you are ready.

you think of it often,. you like mind enquiry:) maybe more heart enquiry might be of interest, for a change... :)
maybe bring the mind into the heart:)
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Simpler...
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the smaller we become, the more we see of our self :)
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Simpler...
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the smaller we become, the more we see of our self :)
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Smashing clay pots helps ... lol
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I was a smoker when all this started and only recently quit. About 3 months ago.

For myself, the cigarettes are what to help keep me sane. Or at least some semblance of sanity.

When drowning in a sea of synchronicity, the overwhelming nature of dissonance and 'restacking' my 'belief system', I found they would calm me and give me a sense of control over my environment.

Much has settled now and the storms I once experienced daily are not nearly as severe. So I decided it was time to quit. It has been easy for me and I don't think about it. But I did have to make the choice for myself.


Yes. The energy IS a tangible force and I love that you experience 'The Pops'. They are very distinct and occur with thought. There is a slight squeeze before the pop that will be noticeable if very vigilant.

It would be seen as a waveform. Colors perhaps relating to temperature.
 Quoting: Seer777


If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? Age seems slightly relevant to the attachment of the material realm. Jews will not begin spiritually training someone until they are in their 30s for this very reason. I am 25...getting there :P

But yeah, sanity...I prefer madness over sanity but the smokes do keep my madness in check. Lmfao.

Yes! I have caught myself being aggressive towards the environment because of its reflection and synchronicity...it used to feel like schizophrenic paranoia before I understood what was going on. As I write this the T.V. in the living room mimics things I focus on. Sometimes I wonder if the universe is trolling me.

I would have to slow down to see the squeeze, usually it happens and I just chuckle because I don't anticipate or look for it. I just let go and enter my nothing zone and my energy peaks and things go pop. lol.

Full spectrum...yes that is what the void feels like...all things to the point it is nothing at all...idk :S Words do not help it.
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@Seer777 I will not re-post that wall of beautiful text, but I do appreciate it very much. A very nice articulation of the changing experience. It is similar to the stages of liberation buddhism aspires to.

The other poster talks of the crown, which I have been bouncing on this for a while.

It seems silly to me that anything of the body will unlock your potential, but I can also see the body as a veil, senses that ensnare or mute our ability to see the deeper reality.

Now, if the body were important and the focus of meditation should be the rising to the crown (I attest to the Renaissance portraits and Asian paintings of holy men with the halo) I am not sure what my issue is. I have tried focusing on both the heart and the head with very little success except minor changes in consciousness, more so with the crown...or weirder at least. The crown gives me a lot of pain though, to the point where I taste blood/copper and it seems like I'm going to break something. Lol.
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Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
 Quoting: paler.


Interesting. Because of my smoking, my heart is super clogged...well not clogged..daily I am trying to burn out the residue, I am able to feel and be compassionate, but there is still a heavyness I wish was gone. I have read a lot of oriental work mentioning these centers. Thanks for sharing.
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you are very much in mind my friend, which can clog you up and tie you in knots, searching for answers through the mind, is never ending, the threads keep going , forming, its a game we play :)
unclog your self by working on releasing thoughtforms, breaking the threads that pull, think less and feel more,
with a quiet mind and an open heart, you may come to clarity and less heaviness :)
your heart should be light as a feather :)
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Glad you enjoyed. :)

I seem to have a 'quiet crown' overall. With that said, all this started in earnest after feeling what felt like a flower blooming on the top of my head back in December of 2011... after years of meditation and study.

All these years later, most of the energy is expressed(felt) through my 3rd eye, heart and throat, and far less often, the root. My navel and solar plexus are also quiet.

I too wonder why this is the case and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers.
 Quoting: Seer777

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
1000 petaled lotus in the crown, to feel it open is quite lovely, just as there is 12 petaled flower in the heart, put hand on heart and ask how many petals of the heart have you open? you will know how many, it is a feeling, a knowing,when all opened you flow in Joy :)

"and do seek to fix what I feel are ignored and or forgotten energy centers."
if you really wished to fix this it would be fixed maybe, read words you wrote :)
more focus on them, more awareness, practice energy work, feel it flowing to the lower centers, practice it with breath and meditations.
 Quoting: paler.


Interesting. Because of my smoking, my heart is super clogged...well not clogged..daily I am trying to burn out the residue, I am able to feel and be compassionate, but there is still a heavyness I wish was gone. I have read a lot of oriental work mentioning these centers. Thanks for sharing.
 Quoting: ParadoxMind

you are very much in mind my friend, which can clog you up and tie you in knots, searching for answers through the mind, is never ending, the threads keep going , forming, its a game we play :)
unclog your self by working on releasing thoughtforms, breaking the threads that pull, think less and feel more,
with a quiet mind and an open heart, you may come to clarity and less heaviness :)
your heart should be light as a feather :)
 Quoting: paler.


Pretty much the most wise thing I have read so far. I know this, but continue to venture the unsolvable hedge maze. Why? They say suffering brings enlightenment...Maybe my age has something to do with it...or just my ego in general. Thanks man, keeping me on the right path.

But...doing this I become unattached...but I hurt so bad from the energy friction in my body...its why I keep resisting mostly...I can only take the pain for so long :[
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no no no no no XD

"I am" is reference to a pure state of "being"

Just are. No ins no outs no mind just are. Like a tree. Do you see?

Living void is the best I can describe it.

I will not argue with you sir! You are projecting onto me but do not see how I feel! I apologize if I upset you.
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No, I understand what you mean.

I do not feel that we are arguing, just discussing. I do not feel that I am projecting, but I do understand a defensive posture on your part and the need to label what I'm saying defensively. If it helps you to do so, feel free.

My understanding is that you are closed to certain considerations regarding the potential for ego-based deception. I propose that is a dangerous spot to be in and leave it at that.

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Yep! Sounds about right! ;)

For me, the drive I get from beyond the veil, beyond the void and way up past the "highest peak" - is a giant mirror.

I CAN NO LONGER look into the eyes of another without seeing a reflection of myself.

Empathy is a complex emotion - finding the wealth of understanding within it - yet also reflecting upon the balance to be had of not extending our goodwill beyond the bounds of individual self-respect - those lines become blurred when we realize there is ultimately only a single being inside of here ;)

Like a shining sun that glows down upon all the forms of offspring - resulting in constant growth, taking into account what once was, and striving to push beyond what once was...

I was in nirvana once and a Buddah being bowed to me, I told him to sit up, but he told me because I refused his bow - it made him want to bow more - there is a simple yet elegant lesson in that exchange...

Another experience told me: "Yes you have achieved enlightenment, but which type for how long??"

There's a lot more in my thread here: Thread: Interdimensional Conversation with Traveller95

If you would like to speak more friend :) Drop me a line ;)
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The whole concept of trying to flee from physical existence stems from the failure to obtain the common goals of man and that is to make a family unit
When incredible resistance have been proven from within and without, people try to find shortcuts or at least peace or some hidden knowledge that can help them attain just basic needs, but that is a trap, as there is malignant beings in high places/the mind that also try to sabotage normal life

So we come to the conclusion that both the mind and the physical world is working against people, and now we seek to trust God almighty because we realize we can do nothing with him





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