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RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.

 
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those cash out businesses make a FORTUNE! i think i'll start one.
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
I'm on workers comp and collect $1200 a month plus $200 a month in Food Stamps and collect TONS of narcotics from the Pain Management Doctor...

THAT'S A LIE.

Yet, it is true for about 900,000 people.

Most of them hispanic. Will explain in seperate thread.
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I'm on workers comp and collect $1200 a month plus $200 a month in Food Stamps and collect TONS of narcotics from the Pain Management Doctor...

THAT'S A LIE.

Yet, it is true for about 900,000 people.

Most of them hispanic. Will explain in seperate thread.
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Please do....with statistics. Seriously. I really do want to see them. Not being a wise ass.
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By the way, I'm a white female. It's pure curiosity.
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No Prob. 27 -

I'll do it tomorrow since I have it off...

I was on workers comp for 12 days last year. MTI, the people who drive you, told me TONS OF STORIES. It's a path to citizenship. Fall from a tree in FL picking tomatoes or fruit on a work visa. Now, you're in system - with a good lawyer - after 2 years - they can now collect SSI and are now an American Citizen.

That's a tease. Cut to commercial.
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when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
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No Prob. 27 -

I'll do it tomorrow since I have it off...

I was on workers comp for 12 days last year. MTI, the people who drive you, told me TONS OF STORIES. It's a path to citizenship. Fall from a tree in FL picking tomatoes or fruit on a work visa. Now, you're in system - with a good lawyer - after 2 years - they can now collect SSI and are now an American Citizen.

That's a tease. Cut to commercial.
 Quoting: Narcissistic


Unfortunately I'm gonna be in my slave prison cell...aka office tomorrow, and may miss your thread. If you do post a thread, will you PM me the link?

I truly am interested and not being sarcastic. : )

hf
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
He had an asthma attack in the van, wasn't restrained, and probably flailed around pretty hard trying to get air. He may have even seized. Whacked his neck on the bench.

Easiest explanation. Cops should have hooked him up with his inhaler.
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
From Facebook/Breitbart:

William Birmingham:
Freddy Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury and had severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate Insurance was paying him a large structured settlement. Freddy had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries, he most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested. Freddy should have been at home in bed resting and recovering from recent major operation instead of manufacturing and distributing drugs on the streets and resisting arrest.

Freddy has a criminal record pages long for manufacturing and distributing controlled dangerous drugs that were cocaine crack heroine etc. along with many assault charges, gun charges, breaking and entering and the list goes on since he was 18 years old. (Juvenile records are sealed.) Look at some of this on www.mdjudiciarycasesearch. You will also see where he was trying to cash in his monthly structured settlement for his spinal injury payments to one lump sum through Peachtree Funding, He could have easily fallen in the paddy wagon from the slippery bench to the floor or twisted his fused spine to reopen his recently fused damaged spine.

Also, the police that arrested him were also black, not white. Why are people destroying their own homes and revenue when they don't know the whole story? Mostly because it's a good reason and timing to loot and get new shoes and stolen goods? You got it! None of the police officers that arrested Freddy had a history of police
brutality. Freddy was a dangerous career felon with a damaged spine and neck that was supposed to be healing a week and a half after surgery, not running the streets committing felonies and resisting arrest.


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 Quoting: Anton Chigurh


Sounds not quite right.

To run a week and a half after back surgery?? Maybe the timing is off.


Secondly, ray is moaning in severe pain before his was lifted into the vehicle and was unable to use his legs the entire distance that the police dragged him.

IOW, the police should have stopped and requested an ambulance.

It's that simple. They effed up. They were apparently pretty callous about it if the story is true regarding how they didn't secure him to the bench like they should have.

But securing him would have been challenging due to his loss of motor control.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


One more thing. It is possible for a not completely healed spinal surgery to bust loose which could sever a spinal chord.

Maybe that's what happened. Maybe he tried to do too much and injured himself.

The key thing to this whole story is how did the police respond to his injury which undoubtedly occurred before he was placed in the vehicle?

There was no excuse for them not to have called an ambulance. He was in excruciating pain and didn't have use of legs.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


Just a few things:

As for the timing of surgeries and what you can do and cannot do, I have had 2 lumbar fusions and would not have been a problem for me. Keep in mind 80% of your body weight is supported by the lumbar region, cervical would have not been that bad at all depending on the technique used for the fusion. There are a few different procedures that doctors do. 1 type of fusion surgery does not require the same recovery time as other types.

As for the reason an ambulance called, is a complete judgement call. People that have been arrested have screamed as if in pain, said they can't walk all the time. The question becomes if the officers believed it was legitimate. Basically comes down to if the officer believes the officers actions would have caused an injury that would get that type of reaction from the suspect. By the officers not calling an ambulance they didn't believe he was legitimately hurt as bad as he was. Having personally have had spine/nerve pain, there is a look that people have when they are in that type of pain and you cannot mistake it at all. Even if they question if he was hurt or not, one quick look at the back of his neck and you could see an incision on his neck (if he had surgery).

This all will come down to how well the officers articulate the reasons why they didn't believe he was that injured. Personally, I think they thought he was faking it, but if they would have taken 2 seconds to look they would have called for fire/rescue. Tragic, all of this could have been avoided.
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No Prob. 27 -

I'll do it tomorrow since I have it off...

I was on workers comp for 12 days last year. MTI, the people who drive you, told me TONS OF STORIES. It's a path to citizenship. Fall from a tree in FL picking tomatoes or fruit on a work visa. Now, you're in system - with a good lawyer - after 2 years - they can now collect SSI and are now an American Citizen.

That's a tease. Cut to commercial.
 Quoting: Narcissistic


Unfortunately I'm gonna be in my slave prison cell...aka office tomorrow, and may miss your thread. If you do post a thread, will you PM me the link?

I truly am interested and not being sarcastic. : )

hf
 Quoting: Simple27


I usually wait til I have a few beers in me til I post so it'll be around 6pm EST and will msg you just in case.
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373


Are you suggesting that this rumor is untrue?

I bet it is true, because it fills the detail gaps too perfectly.

It has to be true. It makes perfect sense why police acted how they did and should be presented to the public to defuse the situation.

Atleast, that is what they would do if it were the officials intentio to defuse rather than fuel tensions.

..what's with this thread being repinned and unpinned 2 minutes later?

They don't like it do they?

Did this info even ever yet recieve any red pin?

..nope.
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
First of all, thank's for the pin.

As to the comment:

You stupid fucks, none of this is true, it just isn't, and you will NEVER see a retraction from the OP.

You are correct. You will need to get a retraction from 'William Birmingham' the Breitbart facebook poster as I just copied and pasted his post. I also included the word 'RUMOR" in the thread title just to cover myself in the event this is a hoax.
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First of all, thank's for the pin.

As to the comment:

You stupid fucks, none of this is true, it just isn't, and you will NEVER see a retraction from the OP.

You are correct. You will need to get a retraction from 'William Birmingham' the Breitbart facebook poster as I just copied and pasted his post. I also included the word 'RUMOR" in the thread title just to cover myself in the event this is a hoax.
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You do realize that it was unpinnex already right?

Quickest pin and unpin record?
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First of all, thank's for the pin.

As to the comment:

You stupid fucks, none of this is true, it just isn't, and you will NEVER see a retraction from the OP.

You are correct. You will need to get a retraction from 'William Birmingham' the Breitbart facebook poster as I just copied and pasted his post. I also included the word 'RUMOR" in the thread title just to cover myself in the event this is a hoax.
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You do realize that it was unpinnex already right?

Quickest pin and unpin record?
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This was karma pinned earlier today. The pin time ran out... nothing unusual.
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when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373


Are you suggesting that this rumor is untrue?

I bet it is true, because it fills the detail gaps too perfectly.

It has to be true. It makes perfect sense why police acted how they did and should be presented to the public to defuse the situation.

Atleast, that is what they would do if it were the officials intentio to defuse rather than fuel tensions.

..what's with this thread being repinned and unpinned 2 minutes later?

They don't like it do they?

Did this info even ever yet recieve any red pin?

..nope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1741543

Who is they?
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when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373


Are you suggesting that this rumor is untrue?

I bet it is true, because it fills the detail gaps too perfectly.

It has to be true. It makes perfect sense why police acted how they did and should be presented to the public to defuse the situation.

Atleast, that is what they would do if it were the officials intentio to defuse rather than fuel tensions.

..what's with this thread being repinned and unpinned 2 minutes later?

They don't like it do they?

Did this info even ever yet recieve any red pin?

..nope.
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Who is they?
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First time around the block?

Well, generally when people are talking generally about those who have influence over media and society they often refer to the "powers that be" as they.

In this case you are actually included in "they." In a general sense of course.
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when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373

when inventing rumuours for propaganda, it's always better to know which sex has which anatomical bits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69072373


Are you suggesting that this rumor is untrue?

I bet it is true, because it fills the detail gaps too perfectly.

It has to be true. It makes perfect sense why police acted how they did and should be presented to the public to defuse the situation.

Atleast, that is what they would do if it were the officials intentio to defuse rather than fuel tensions.

..what's with this thread being repinned and unpinned 2 minutes later?

They don't like it do they?

Did this info even ever yet recieve any red pin?

..nope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1741543

Who is they?
 Quoting: calin

First time around the block?

Well, generally when people are talking generally about those who have influence over media and society they often refer to the "powers that be" as they.

In this case you are actually included in "they." In a general sense of course.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4059745


I just wanted to make sure you were referring to me. Have you not noticed I have been on this thread all day? This thread was green pinned by a GLPer BTW.
Stop your whining and get off this thread before I push you off. Or... you can be a contributor with some meaningful comments. Are we clear?
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No Prob. 27 -

I'll do it tomorrow since I have it off...

I was on workers comp for 12 days last year. MTI, the people who drive you, told me TONS OF STORIES. It's a path to citizenship. Fall from a tree in FL picking tomatoes or fruit on a work visa. Now, you're in system - with a good lawyer - after 2 years - they can now collect SSI and are now an American Citizen.

That's a tease. Cut to commercial.
 Quoting: Narcissistic


Unfortunately I'm gonna be in my slave prison cell...aka office tomorrow, and may miss your thread. If you do post a thread, will you PM me the link?

I truly am interested and not being sarcastic. : )

hf
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I usually wait til I have a few beers in me til I post so it'll be around 6pm EST and will msg you just in case.
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cheers

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I just wanted to make sure you were referring to me. Have you not noticed I have been on this thread all day? This thread was green pinned by a GLPer BTW.
Stop your whining and get off this thread before I push you off. Or... you can be a contributor with some meaningful comments. Are we clear?
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*cough*

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I just wanted to make sure you were referring to me. Have you not noticed I have been on this thread all day? This thread was green pinned by a GLPer BTW.
Stop your whining and get off this thread before I push you off. Or... you can be a contributor with some meaningful comments. Are we clear?
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*cough*

:s27burn:
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Lol. Sure, that's what he meant.
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Excerpt from story at [link to thefourthestate.co] :


UPDATE: More information has serviced, and a story will be released at 6 PM EST Wednesday that blows the Freddie Gray settlement/surgery/car accident story WIDE open
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okay, i didn't see this posted when i searched for this on here. i posted another thread but will bump this one instead. mods go ahead and delete mine!

bump
because this could be big!
It'd be nice if the flag next to my name represents the country I actually inhabit.
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Is this true!!

This changes everything!

Why was this not reported on. Why did his family not say this!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62421412


Same crap with Michael Brown. Mother said he was such a good kid. She said he had plans for college. BIG lie, but the media doesn't report the truth. He wasn't even accepted to the "college." Besides, it was a plumbing school they call "college."

We saw his facebook photos with guns, drugs, alcohol and gangs. As we know, he was a bully who just robbed a store.

So tired of this.
 Quoting: nutmeg


You would think, if there were an epidemic of cops killing innocent black guys in America, we wouldn't keep seeing riots over thugs like Brown and Gray and would be seeing actual decent human beings getting gunned down in the street, but it just ain't so. There is no such epidemic and the promoters of same are in it for race hussling, the media is in it for ratings, and the "victims" are in it for money. This Gray family knows all this stuff, and they have deliberately hid it from the world, and now, Baltimore burns and loses God knows how much tourism revenue, millions of people live in fear, and we effectively have martial law in the streets over this bullshit. These people need to be prosecuted, but we all know they won't.

I actually gave this guy the benefit of the doubt, yesterday, and thought he seemed like an actual example of real, honest to God, police brutality; not one that required looting and pillaging, but one that certainly required some protest. Foolish me. I will never believe one of these stories again.
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clappa clappa clappa

Spot on! I feel exactley the same.
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He had an asthma attack in the van, wasn't restrained, and probably flailed around pretty hard trying to get air. He may have even seized. Whacked his neck on the bench.

Easiest explanation. Cops should have hooked him up with his inhaler.
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A responsible protestor would have planned ahead for an asthma attack and brought his inhaler along. So sad. Too bad.
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okay, i didn't see this posted when i searched for this on here. i posted another thread but will bump this one instead. mods go ahead and delete mine!

bump
because this could be big!
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Done. Glad to have you join us! :)
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Excerpt from story at [link to thefourthestate.co] :


UPDATE: More information has serviced, and a story will be released at 6 PM EST Wednesday that blows the Freddie Gray settlement/surgery/car accident story WIDE open
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67228999

It had better be real and verified. The site is just too iffy and we have done our own investigation on it. They got the color of the skin wrong with the arresting cops.. took liberties with intent, put their slant on the story - biased.. etc. Notice the About page:

The Fourth Estate Blog was born out of a demonstrated need for an insiderís spin on the outsidersí news. Spending the last ten years within the Washington, D.C. bubble, I have grown well aware of the political tricks, twisted logic, and biased news displayed and distributed, not only for show but also for design. The trickery, deceit, and corruption is ever-pervasive and always-evolving to meet whatever machination the machine comes up with next.

We are the disillusioned.

We are the disappointed.

We are the disenchanted.

We are the Fourth Estate, and this is our story.


Can anyone say Agenda?

We can continue to do our own searches and investigation... nothing wrong with that!

Just my take folks. ;)
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Excerpt from story at [link to thefourthestate.co] :


UPDATE: More information has serviced, and a story will be released at 6 PM EST Wednesday that blows the Freddie Gray settlement/surgery/car accident story WIDE open
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67228999

It had better be real and verified. The site is just too iffy and we have done our own investigation on it. They got the color of the skin wrong with the arresting cops.. took liberties with intent, put their slant on the story - biased.. etc. Notice the About page:

The Fourth Estate Blog was born out of a demonstrated need for an insiderís spin on the outsidersí news. Spending the last ten years within the Washington, D.C. bubble, I have grown well aware of the political tricks, twisted logic, and biased news displayed and distributed, not only for show but also for design. The trickery, deceit, and corruption is ever-pervasive and always-evolving to meet whatever machination the machine comes up with next.

We are the disillusioned.

We are the disappointed.

We are the disenchanted.

We are the Fourth Estate, and this is our story.


Can anyone say Agenda?

We can continue to do our own searches and investigation... nothing wrong with that!

Just my take folks. ;)
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And a wise one, at that. Even if this story turns out to be true, that site just sounds like straight up propaganda, Anonymous-style.

Thanks for your diligence, Calin thumbs
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Re: RUMOR: Freddy Gray had very recent spinal/cervical surgery / was receiving large pay-out.
The settlement wasn't from a spinal cord injury...it was from a lawsuit he and his sister filed in 2008 against his landlord (Stanely Rochkind). They claim to have damaging lead levels in their blood from the paint in the home they rented.