ZetaTalk Accuracy, It Just Doesn’t Stop! on Blog Radio 9/6

It SHOULD stop, you fucking lunatic. Don't you realize nobody buys into your stupid freaking hyperbole anymore.

Now go jump in front of a train, fucktard.

Indeed.

Oh sure...they're accurate. As in:

"In short, they are not heeding the warnings of the Council, so
stronger measures will shortly be taken. These measures will be, like
the Columbia disaster, of a magnitude to stop the onslaught of the
invasion as though the breath had been taken out of the body." –
Commenting on Iraq, March 22, 2003

Invasion went off without a hitch. Beautifully exercised. Thoroughly complete. No breath taken out of that body. Now...the occupation...that's another thing altogether. But you said "stop the *onslaught* of the *invasion*.

Wrongo sister.


Zetas?

OH MY GOD DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH SO HARD.......Zeta accuracy....OMFG


Get a clue old gal you have been replaced with a guy who seems to really know his Zeta stuff!


You are so out of here you carpet bagging fear monger

I liked this one -

No Place to Run, written Nov 18, 2003
Off-Earth bunkers are feasible only on the dark side of the Moon. In that even these are uncertain they would be returned to Earth safely, given the devastation that all shuttles are likely to suffer during the bombardment of debris in the tail of Planet X during the passage, this option is making all nervous. Can't run there.
Bunkers on Earth, established decades ago in the mountains of the Urals, Appalachia, the Alps, and even in low lying areas such as Houston, Moscow, western Australia, and Rome, have become known and in many cases widely known to the general public. Can run there, but can't hide.
Emerging from bunkers, well stocked and defended by the military controlled by the elite, to become kings in the Aftertime, was the plan, but this requires control of the US Military and this has lately been lost. The point of taking over the White House, by voter fraud and the unconstitutional entry of the Supreme Court of the US into the State of Florida's recount matter, was to control the US Military, which has recently bolted. Hiding in bunkers is distinctly distasteful if emerging will find one facing angry farmers with pitchforks. Can run, can't hide, and most certainly can't emerge.

So that leaves chemtrails, scaler(sp) 'weather,' created 'viruses,' big Pharma, GMOs, 'Bio-'identifiers, and unlawful 'detainments' to take up the 'slack'? 'No problems here sir . .'

The World Did Not End & The White Lie
by Timothy Quinn


There will be no refunds on disposable toilet bags or emergency
dental kits, so if you purchased these or other "family
preparedness" supplies from The Survival Center, in the
expectation that a mysterious planet or rogue sister star of our
own Sun would wipe out 90% of the Earth's population this month,
you'll have to simply chalk it up to a moment's paranoia: the
sun is shining, the planet is blissfully unmolested and Britney
Spears has no plans for repopulating a post-apocalyptic Earth
with you anytime soon.

Planet X, or Nibiru as it's exotically known to believers in a
cult of ancient Sumerian astrophysicists, remains a persistent
myth based on an innocuous observational error now nearly a
quarter-millennium old.

The error has to do with the orbits of the outer planets in our
solar system, and is inarguably symptomatic of well practiced
science: few discoveries circumvent the awkward evolution of
initial mismeasurement into refined calculation and clarity,
even if 14-point headlines and Hollywood dramatizations
sometimes make it seem as if science is little more than the act
of lighting a match in a dark room.

The mystery of Uranus, discovered in 1781 at the seeming cusp of
our solar system, was no exception. In the years following its
discovery, perturbations were noticed in its orbit that hinted
at the gravitational tug of something not yet discovered in the
void beyond.

A search was undertaken and an eighth planet found by the mid-
nineteenth century, but while Neptune's influence helped explain
some of the variations in its predecessor's path across the
ecliptic, its mass was slightly larger than anticipated and left
a small margin still unaccounted for.

Nearly a century passed before a ninth planet was discovered in
1930 and it seemed at last as if the issue of Uranus' anomalous
orbit had been put firmly to bed - until it was established that
Pluto was just a bit too small to balance out the orbits of the
outer planets, and so the search continued for a further guiding
hand at the edge of the solar system: an as yet undiscovered
planet which had been fancifully dubbed Planet X and was
certainly not out of place in the era of Flash Gordon, Buck
Rogers of the Twenty-Fifth Century and Orson Welles' radio
adaptation of The War of the Worlds.

It became clear in 1992 that there was nothing at all wrong with
the orbit of Uranus. NASA's Voyager 2 probe measured Neptune's
mass on its way out of the solar system in 1989 and, once the
numbers had been crunched, resolved the discrepancy once and for
all by subtracting a problematic .5% and restoring harmony to
the orbits of the outermost planets.

Although this would seem an appropriate occasion to turn the
page and move onto any number of as yet unresolved issues in
planetary astronomy, it turns out there's something strangely
appealing about anticlimactic mysteries such as these to a small
but persistent reactionary fringe of armchair cosmologists,
conspiracy theorists and doomsday profiteers.

Unmoved by equally dire (if slightly more plausible) threats of
nuclear escalation, antibiotic-resistant bacteria, near-Earth
asteroids or neighborhood supernovae, the doomsday fringe prefer
stories of a more baroque touch: alien invasions, planetary
alignments, super-storms, apocalyptic computer viruses, Nazi
flying saucers and secret CIA mind control experiments.

Undeterred by the embarrassing survival of the human race
following the publication of such blanching paperbacks as
Richard W. Noone's "5/5/2000 Ice: The Ultimate Disaster" and
David S. Montaigne's "Nostradamus World War III 2002," doomsday
prophets like Mark Hazelwood ("Blindsided: Planet X Passes in
2003") and Nancy Lieder (founder of the ZetaTalk cult) have
breathed new life into the mysterious perturbations of Uranus'
orbit as a smoking gun for Planet X, the furtive tenth planet or
sister sun which was destined to have re-entered our solar
system this month with satisfyingly cataclysmic results. The
evidence for a distant rogue planet, according to writer and
fringe researcher Zecharia Sitchin ("The Twelfth Planet"), can
be found in ancient Sumerian tablets which seem to depict eleven
planets circling a sun.

To make prophecy match modern interpretation, of course,
revisionists like Sitchin have had to quietly count the Earth's
moon as a "planet" and then, just for good measure, gone ahead
and counted the sun as a planet too.

What Sitchin's jacket copy of "The Twelfth Planet" declines to
mention is the fact that the Sumerians were also wrong about
rather a lot. They believed that the sky was a great enclosed
dome which contained the sun, the moon and the stars, for
instance.

To therefore selectively interpret 6000-year old Sumerian
creation myths as evidence that the Earth was seeded by aliens
and their android thralls, as Sitchin advocate Jason Martell has
been wont to do, seems - shall we say - a trifle disingenuous.

Doomsday prophets are not a recent phenomenon, and while one
might argue that book royalties and the promise of late night
talk show coverage motivates the modern apocalyptic seer,
there's clearly something about the messianic act that appeals
to certain personality types.

We'll never know whether Nostradamus would've been a hit at
cocktail parties, but his present-day counterparts might lead
one to believe that charisma, intellect and unthreatened open-
mindedness are less likely attributes than an awkward unblinking
paranoia when confronted by intellectual sophistication or
irrefutable data.

To hear Sitchin mutter about alien astronauts in ancient
Mesopotamia is to find oneself wishing he'd found a somewhat
healthier outlet for his mania, like hanging around convention
halls dressed as Mr. Spock.

Disquietingly, it seems not only as if hysterical superstition
and messianic prophesy have survived the enlightenment, but may
paradoxically be thriving in an age unprecedented for scientific
discovery and public access to information.

The longevity of doomsday cults like ZetaTalk is, if nothing
else, a strong indication that one of our fundamental
assumptions about alternative science is wrong: as much as we
might wish to believe that ignorance remains the firmament of
exploitation, the twenty-first century's intellectual plague is
a wealth of knowledge untempered by clear refutation.

The hoaxed moon landing movement is a particularly interesting
example of the sort of pseudoscientific fearmongering that
should've gone out of vogue with forensic phrenology.

Inspired by the provocative (and not unenjoyable) 1978 movie,
"Capricorn One," in which budget-strapped NASA fakes a Mars
mission and is forced to kill its own astronauts to keep the
truth from the public, a fervid group of conspiracy theorists
have embraced the notion that life mimics art (or vice versa)
and aggressively promote the theory that NASA successfully faked
the six Apollo landings - somehow doctoring data, forging
photographs, dubbing radio transmissions and brainwashing or
blackmailing thousands of aeronautics employees and
subcontractors in what would have to be the biggest conspiracy
since the Knights of Malta spirited away the Ark of the
Covenant, kidnapped the Lindbergh baby and assassinated Kurt
Cobain.

It's a testament to how pervasive the Apollo hoax theory has
become in recent years that the Fox network aired a mortifying
1991 pseudodocumentary called "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on
the Moon?" (not dissimilar to their previous efforts at
provocative science, "Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction?" and
"UFO's, The Best Evidence Ever Caught on Tape," both of which
were revisited in dubiously self-serving fashion in "World's
Greatest Hoaxes: Secrets Finally Revealed"); equally telling is
the fact that a current Google search for "Apollo landings" is
likely to result in at least one hoax-related website within the
first cluster of ten results.

It's hard to imagine how the Apollo missions might have been
more fully documented to provide indisputable proof of human
presence on the moon. Anyone with an Internet connection can
view archived photographs, read transcripts of recorded
conversations between Houston and the lunar surface or order a
commemorative DVD from Nova.

Conspiracy theorists counter this wealth of information with a
level of logic not often found beyond the high sanitarium walls:
a seeming absence of stars is attributed to clumsy set design
rather than the limited sensitivity of NASA cameras, and the
graceful bounding gait of astronauts traversing the moon's
surface is apparently evidence of film run at half-speed through
a projector rather than a near-weightless environment.

So why doesn't NASA simply set the record straight? After all,
to paraphrase a clich=E9, if we can put a man on the moon can't we
clearly explain how we got him there - and why a foley artist
behind a blue-screen is a pretty unlikely explanation for
perceived anomalies in the mission record? Concerned astronomers
like Phil Plait have already attempted as much, yet NASA has
chosen to take the high road, aborting an attempt to produce a
book on spaceflight-related hoaxes by historian Jim Oberg when
the media caught the scent of a potential cockfight.

Whether there's any relation between the space agency's
perpetually beleaguered budget and a public perception of
incompetence or conspiracy is certainly arguable, but there's
little question that NASA holds claim to a smaller cut of the
national imagination that it did a scant forty years ago - and a
specific percentage of that mindspace is linked to lurid
allegations of fraud. A low double-digit book contract seems a
small price to pay for bringing home the swing vote.

As strategies go, the high road wasn't particularly effective
with Roswell and doesn't seem to be working with Area 51 either.
The Fox network's alien autopsy fiasco is a good indication that
many people still think an alien spacecraft landed outside
Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947 - rather than what was later
identified as a military weather balloon, a mix-up which seems
to have originated when William Brazel, the rancher who
discovered the wreckage on his property, reported to the local
sheriff that he had stumbled across what appeared to be "one of
them flying saucers."

Likewise, Area 51 - a top-secret Air Force proving ground for
experimental aircraft in the Great Basin Desert of Nevada - has
acquired a persistent following of UFOlogists who believe this
remote site to be the flashpoint for a pending alien invasion of
the heartland.

Blame it on too many remakes of "Invasion of the Body
Snatchers": instead of remembering that the original 1956
version had alien pods standing in for communists (or, in
opposing interpretations, for McCarthyists), we choose to
remember the alien pods as... holy mackerel, alien pods!

The intelligence community is at least partially to blame for
this kind of literalist paranoia: reluctant denials and blacked-
out memoranda are obviously a poor substitute for clear and open
refutation.

Perhaps the most innocuous of pseudoscientific obfuscations is
the Intelligent Design movement, a post-creationist anti-
Darwinian ideology with a folksy media-friendly name intended to
disguise an unflinching mandate to restore religion as part of
the science curriculum in public schools.

Three quarters of a century after the paradigm-wrenching Scopes
Monkey Trial, popular neocreationist advocates like Michael Behe
("Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution")
and William Dembski ("Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between
Science and Theology") are quick to point out that ID isn't your
daddy's seven-day creation myth.

Intelligent Design rather rakishly acknowledges the process of
natural selection as evidenced by a robust fossil record, but
stops short of attributing humanity's emergence to a
dispassionate assembly of amino acids on a fortuitously located
planet circling an average main sequence star.

Behe, for example, argues that nature is filled with
"irreducibly complex" systems like bacterial flagella (a form of
cellular propulsion) which only function properly if several
interrelated components somehow evolve simultaneously; he
neglects to consider that there might be alternate evolutionary
benefits to individual components, ignoring the fact that nature
is filled with complex systems that reuse the successful bits
and pieces of simpler organisms.

The fundamental flaws of Intelligent Design won't be found in
bacteria, however - ultimately, ID posits the logical fallacy
that if God cannot be disproved He must therefore exist, as well
as the taxonomic fallacy that theology is a quantifiable
scientific endeavor rather than mere philosophical theism.

What distinguishes the threat of Intelligent Design from prior
creationist arguments is a shrewd use of popular science; like
UFO fanatics or moon hoaxers, ID advocates sift through an
abundance of data in fields as diverse as biochemistry,
numerical analysis, behavioral psychology and cultural
anthropology in search of superficial similarities to invariably
vague theories of surreptitious determinism.

To the average layperson, evidence such as this - cautiously
cast in the language of twenty-first century science - can seem
to possess a thin veneer of respectability when unchallenged by
informed refutation.

Either because of good manners or an unwillingness to compromise
religious tolerance, Intelligent Design in particular has been
spared the rigor of critical thinking in the popular media, with
the notable exception of occasional articles in mainstream
publications like the Skeptical Inquirer and Natural History
magazine.

Whether confronting doomsday prophesy or alternative science,
the popular media generally contribute to hysterical
misperception by attempting to negotiate an inherent conflict of
interest between responsible journalism and salacious hard copy.

"The Day the World Shuts Down" was Newsweek's 1998 attempt to
objectively analyze the new millennium's Y2K crisis. A year
later, CNN was "Bracing for Guerrilla Warfare in Cyberspace."
Time Magazine lunged at us from another direction with its 2001
cover story "Summer of the Shark," drifting back into deeper
waters with a 2002 cover story on "The Bible and the
Apocalypse."

Blaming the media, however, is perhaps a little like blaming
one's reflection for being overweight: we're all responsible for
the information we choose to consume and the degree of personal
gullibility we're inclined to tolerate.

The average American's gullibility barometer couldn't help but
have reacted to the 9/11 attacks on New York City and
Washington, DC: just when we'd begun to adjust to the declining
role of organized religion in our increasingly quantifiable
lives, Islamic fundamentalism put the end of Western
civilization back on the map.

Amid the resulting media frenzy of terrorist sleeper cells and
potential rogue nations, the prophesied return of Planet X
seemed a little less the stuff of science fiction and, to many,
just one more reason to feel a bit jumpy on the way to the
laundromat.

For the conspiratorial fringe, 9/11 was a goldmine of
conflicting data, irretrievable evidence and easily exploited
paranoia. Even after Islamic militants had been publicly
identified on the flight rosters of hijacked planes, rumors
abounded that it was the work of Zionists trying to polarize
debate in the Israel-Palestine conflict, or wait, maybe the
United States military did it to distract the American public
from a struggling presidency.

For its part, the Bush administration showed little hesitancy in
exploiting public opinion to mobilize American forces against
Iraq, calmly marginalizing as na=EFve any arguments that an Iraqi
/ bin Laden connection were tenuous at best with the same smug
unflappability favored by Roswell believers confronting a
skeptical scientific community.

Sadly, conspiracy theory and reactionary militarism if
unsuccessfully refuted both favor a wealth of conflicting
information, lowering the bar for the paranoid and messianic:
instead of insisting on unwavering belief, it seems all a modern
seer need demand is that you believe in everything, even if only
a little bit.

To date, the bulk of the scientific community has washed its
hands of cult science, sufficing to roll back on its heels with
an exasperated cry of, "Where does it end?" Surely there has to
be a point past which it's simply not worth the effort of
discrediting spurious claims or providing the deliberately
uninformed and embarrassingly delusional with - in the words of
one frustrated writer to Natural History magazine - "exactly
what they desired: publicity in a mainstream scientific forum.

These advocates should be ostracized by the scientific
community, just as we would ostracize someone who claims to be
researching the natural behavior of wood nymphs and faeries."

As comfortable as most people may be drawing that line, it's
clear that primetime network alien autopsies - or Time/CNN polls
revealing that 65% of Americans believe clandestine alien
contact was made in the forties - ought to suggest that the
scientific community's boundaries of responsibility need to
redrawn for the information age.

To dismiss Roswell and Rael as particularly weedy offspring of a
hopelessly Punchinelloed Flat Earth Society (which, at its
height, had little more to work with than azimuthal cartography)
somehow seems an arrogant attempt to have our cake and eat it
too: popular paperbacks on cosmology and natural science come at
a price, and that price is the authority we invest, foolishly or
not, in unexamined science writ large.

Timothy Quinn is a writer and technology professional who
currently lives and works in New York City.

"[the 2003 Nibiru panic] was planned by the Zetas (an extraterrestrial race), to provoke President Bush into a precipitous invasion of Iraq to secure the oil fields in advance of a Nibiru flyby.” - Nancy changes her story. May, 2005


"ZetaTalk and ZetaTalk alone has been found, in trial focus groups worldwide, to be a known and respected source of information" - Nancy Lieder, Kook.




"So, not only did we have all these live seismos go blank, during that period, but somebody let me know that HAARP magnometers or whatever they’re called, in Alaska, there’s several, where the N. Pole is, they read several emanations from the Sun and where the compasses are pointing and the like, kind of went wild, spiked at that time. "


Nancy´s kite goof is still in the Google
cach: [link to dont_use_this.com]


"Why do you listen to somebody who is rattling on, making claims, and it may be
or may not be valid. But what are they bringing forth. What the Zetas have said
since the start of 2002, because this is a field where people make a lot of wild
claims, and don´t necessarily come forth with anything behind it, and could be
just lying, for whatever personal reason. Can they predict, and do they have a
prediction accuracy track record. ZetaTalk has an excellent prediction accuracy
track record. You can say ´what about May 15, 2003´, but other than that, it´s
darn good, and there´s a reason for that date having been floated out there and
being wrong. So, we say, ´what are these other people do along those lines, what
evidence did they produce.´ If the evidence is zero, and they can´t predict,
they why should you even take them seriously whatsoever." - Nancy Lieder on Lou Gentile, Dec 23,2004



"The Earth´s dark twin, approaching from behind her, has scant
months to reach her and create a crisis. Earth stopping on Dec 25 allows
for a full half orbit by this twin by June 25, 2004, but the crisis
will occur sooner and for many reason. This twin cannot go to the left,
where Venus lies, nor the right, where Mars rides, and cannot move
forward. The effect of such a traffice jam is not within man´s
knowledgebank."

So she is saying that we will have a "crisis" with "Earth´s dark
twin" before June 25, 2004. Will she claim another "white lie"
when this date comes and goes without a problem?

"May all you blind idiots gurgle slowly as the flood tide rises, trapped as you lingered too long in your cushy pads and did not heed the warning. OR, alternatively, may you drop from exhaustion while trying to climb painfully to safety with one broken leg dangling uselessly. OR, alternatively, may you find yourself too weak from hunger to resist while your starving pet dog makes a meal of what remains of your flacid butt" -Nancy Lieder, Kook Supreme


"... We have given the correct dates for the return of the 12th Planet as the year 2003 for the devastating first pass. All other dates are incorrect." -- Nancy Lieder

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"...So, I think if we continue to collect $4.10 for the CD set, etc, a hair over actual cost, we will generate any additional $100-$200 needed for the entire year[2004]!" - Nancy admits no Poleshift in 2004.

--.


"But truth is, you fucking asswipes, you´re going to die soon or at least want to die after PX hits. And I, for one, will be laughing at you from wherever I am, because the kind of fuckfaced arrogance you all exhibit needs to be wiped off this planet so it can breathe again.

Die, debunker/harasser scum ... die slowly and in great fear!!! "

Wee, Zetakook

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"For those who think we abuse Nancy in this, she has been through this before with the Hale-Bopp issue, when we stated it was a comet that was being pointed to going into the 1997 grand show, but she was still under the assumption that it was going to be a no-show, and the famous May 15, 2003 White Lie wherein we did lie and she firmly believed the rotation stoppage and shift were imminent." - Nancy pretending to channel lying zetas.

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I´m not the only one who has noticed that when you ask Nancy a straightforward question, she responds with dozens of lines of incomprehensible gibberish unrelated to your question.

Some psychiatrically challenged Zeta is channelling all this stuff to her. The data is corrupt at it´s source! That explains everything. She is a mouthpiece for an interstellar street person.

I propose that we all ask Nancy to channel a different Zeta - hopefully one who doesn´t sleep outdoors on urine-soaked cardboard boxes many light-years away.

If we all do this, maybe she´ll listen and find someone "out there" who will help her, us, and the obviously psychotic Zeta she´s been enabling these many years.

Nancy, what do you say?

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"Zetatalk II: Misdirected Non-answers from the Zeta Reticuli People"

About the Author:
Nancy Lieder is an unemployed doomsday woo-woo who wrote ZetaTalk after awakening late in life to her paranoid schizophrenia status. She is the web mistress of the Zetatalk website and an officer of its failed nonprofit arm, Troubled Times, Inc. She was born and raised in Wisconsin, and returned there from California to start an ET cult after getting a sign from the Zeta Reticulans, an unwrapped Starburst candy at the bottom of a box. She is frequently seen in the media making an ass of herself, and has appeared on numerous morning FM radio shows as the brunt of typical FM morning show humour.


Book Description:
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The Zetas provide misinformation on these topics and many others too foolish to list:

Bad science, poor astronomy, canibalism, pet murder, worm and bug eating, poor photography, failed prophecy, paranoia, hoaxing, mental illness, social incompatibility, Usenet spamming, forum trolling, non-profit fund scamming, avoiding audits, pseudoscience, question avoidance, and many other exciting topics that all cult leaders should be intimately aware of.

Available in paper back June 2004.

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Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta
*OSIRIS*
9/10/2003
11:53 am EDT

Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta

Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta

Why does Nancy Lieder do what she does?
We all know she is shrewd business person, turning buck after buck selling salvation to naive people. But what I want to zero in on is how did it all start...the voices?

Does Nancy believe what she says?

The new-age channeling garbage gave hope to schizophrenics who hear voices. The shrinks say ofcourse, they are not mentally healthy. But the newage claptrap gives new found hope and meaning to the mentally challenged in the guise of offering salvation to the un-attuned masses. If, and I think Nancy really does, hear these voices,,,she wants to believe the voices she hears are actually external beings from another constellation. But, and she knows this, if these voices are internalized, coming from her own mind, she knows she´s fucked.

So Nancy holds on to the Zeta vision, hoping and praying that what the voices say, really come true. Then she can say she heard real voices of salvation. Nancy needs these voices to prove prophetically correct, just for her own safe well being. This is the reason she keeps holding on and believing this planet x nonsense...she´s hoping somehow, somewhere, planet x will show. Eventually, however, and that time is now, she will realize that she really is just mentally unstable.
This will be a huge blow to her big ego, and may pose disasterous results.
Once she realizes she has no power of the inner mechanisms of her mind, she may become very vulnerable to the darker voices which have already leaned heavily on her. She admits to animal sacrifice and the way she treats debunkers is very far from spiritual. I feel Nancy will become suicidal from her manic depression. So the bottom line is this: LET´S ALL HOPE THE WORLD ENDS BY PLANET X DESTROYING US ALL, THIS WAY NANCY WILL FEEL MUCH MUCH BETTER...

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*Worldwide famines 2000, 2001, 2002
*Imploding cities
*Australia submerged
*Mag 15 earthquakes
*Hundreds of volcanos erupting
*Visible in scopes in 2002
*Mag 2 in 1996
*Hale Bopp not a comet
*Mag 11 in 2002
*Mag 20 in 2003
*Naked eye visible in March 2003 (Nancy saw it as did some posters here on GLP--we remember)
*Red Cross visible in sky by everyone in the world in April 2003
*A hail of meteorites and other debris in May 2003 creating worldwide firestorms
*Red Dust covering everything in May 2003
*Worldwide barter system prior to May 2003
*Satellites flying out of orbit
*Telecommunications almost completely disrupted
*Martial law
*Iraq not allowed to be invaded
*No Regime change in Iraq
*Political leaders evacuate to Mars
*Pole Shift in 2003
*Rotation stops May 2003
*Pole Shift May 15 2003
*Pole Shift May 23 2003
*Pole Shift June 2003
*Pole Shift July 2003
*Weeks NOT months
*Pole Shift August-Sept. 2003
*Occultation of Jupiter by the moon in dec 2004 not to happen as expected
*ISS astronauts dead within weeks - Dec 10, 2004.

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Here Nancy - Consider your record:

1) Crop failures 2000, 2001,2002 - Worldwide famines

2) Imploding cities prior to passage 2003

3) Islands sinking with their population prior to passage 2003

4) Oceans inundate coastal cities prior to passage May 2003

5) Refugee camps set up prior to passage May 2003

6) Hundreds of volcanoes erupting prior to passage May 2003

7) Increased Earthquakes prior to passage May 2003

8) Worldwide economic depression prior to passage May 2003

9) Worldwide barter system prior to passage May 2003

10) Price controls instituted prior to passage May 2003

11) Satellites flying out of orbit and malfunctioning prior to passage May 2003

12) Telecommunications almost completely disrupted prior to passage May 2003

13) Red Dust covering everything prior to rotation stoppage in May 2003

14) Iraq: No regime change

15) The Moon does not rotate

16) Hale Bopp not a comet

17) "White Lie #1" about Hale Bopp

18) Political leaders evacuate (not allowed to go to mars - what a hoot!)

19) Mag 2 in 1996

20) Mag 11 in 2001 (it seems to be heading out of the solar system)

21) Visible to all amateur scopes in 2002

22) Mag 20 in 2003 (yep, definitely heading out of the solar system)

23) Naked eye visible in March 2003 (must have turned around. Nancy saw it as did some posters here on GLP--we remember)

24) Red Cross visible in sky by everyone in the world in April 2003

25) Australia submerged during the Pole Shift May 2003

26) Mag 15 earthquakes during the Pole Shift May 2003

27) An hail of meteorites and other debris in May 2003 creating worldwide firestorms during the Pole Shift

28) Rotation stops May 2003

29) Pole Shift May 15 2003

30) Pole Shift May 27 2003

31) "White Lie #2" about Pole Shift

32) Pole Shift June 2003

33) Pole Shift July 2003

34) "Weeks NOT Months"

35) Pole Shift August-Sept. 2003

36) Pole Shift and Precursors Dec. 25-30, 2003.

37) Pole Shift in 2003

38) "Zetas 100% accurate" - Nancy Lieder

And Even More

The world was supposed to end on May 15th 2003 when a brown dwarf passed through the solar system causing catastrophic upheaval and killing 90% of life on Earth. Though it did not happen, this so-called "Planet X" may still represent a danger to life and livelihood.

To some skeptics, the belief in "Planet X" has taken on the nature of a cult religion, and one of the belief´s main advocates, Nancy Lieder, seems to have a Messiah Complex. An overview of the tenets of what is referred to as "Zetacult" as well as statements and actions by Ms. Lieder shows clear evidence of this occurring.

Zetatalk, a word used for Ms. Lieder´s agenda, web site and her persona when she supposedly channels aliens from Zeta Reticuli started in 1995. What has developed since then is far from warmed over Velikovsky, and it is possible that a handful to thousands have embraced her apocalyptic vision. Therein lies the potential for tragedy. Some cults, like Jehovah´s Witnesses survive the passing of a set date for doomsday. Some, like Heaven´s Gate don´t. At the very least there is the possibility of lasting psychological damage to believers realizing they´ve been duped.

Zetatalk as cult religion

UFO religions and cults are classified as such because they have replaced an incorporeal deity with aliens who serve the same purpose. Other UFO movements have inculcated other religious motifs such as agents of evil, a creative or apocalyptic narrative and a "heaven" or better life at some point. As seen with Heaven´s Gate, these tenets can be deadly.

A god who is "up there somewhere," who cares about Earthlings, has power and knowledge far beyond ours and is looking out for us has been replaced in the Zetacult by the Zetas who are the inhabitants of Zeta Reticuli.

Agents of evil who known as demons or heretics are manifested in Zetacult by government officials and astronomers who are part of a cabal to prevent the "good news" of Planet X from getting out. To believers, NASA is the devil.

An apocalyptical "end time," such as Ragnarok or the events in Revelation occur for the Zetacult when Planet X arrives. A new world is promised to believers who follow the salvation plan offered by the Zetas.

Religious sacred texts contain tenets, methods of salvation or describe the actions (including battles with the enemy) of deities and messiahs. For Zetacult, the texts are easily accessible at www.zetatalk.com. Tenets of faith about Ms. Lieder, Planet X and the Zetas, words of wisdom on a variety of spiritual and scientific topics, methods of surviving Planet Xs arrival so that you can live in the "heaven" of the post arrival world and transcripts of Ms. Lieder´s battles with the demons (transcripts of IRC chats with astronomers and skeptics) are all available there.

Prophecy or future sight is used by many religions to demonstrate the higher knowledge of god. Adherents then wait for fulfillment (sometimes with very tortured logic or thin evidence) to proclaim the "truth" of their religion because their god knew of future events. Zetatalk.com has a page dedicated to supposed fulfillments of Ms Lieder´s Zeta channeled prophecies demonstrating the higher knowledge of the Zeta gods.

Similar to prophecy are signs and wonders that supposedly demonstrate the truth of a religions tenets or as a demonstration that the end times are immanent. Zetatalk.com includes photos of Planet X that are either fakes or mistakes. Ms. Lieder is also making claims about earthquakes and weather phenomena to prove the Planet X end times is upon us.

Much like Catholic and Orthodox Christianity or Sunni and Shiia Islam, Zetacult endured a schism between Ms. Lieder and a man named Mark Hazlewood. Amid accusations of money-making schemes and copyright violations the two split and are now trying position themselves as the inheritor of Planet X truth.

Cults often develop a siege mentality and seek to isolate themselves from influences that might interfere with total adherence to cult dogma. Zetacult isolationism is primarily intellectual and seen mainly in their on-line presence. Believers heavily moderate and censor chat sessions and message boards and skeptics or dissenting opinions are removed just for asking questions.

Cults and fringe sects of religion, such as Young Earth Creationists follow a simple credo - Science is bad, Revealed Knowledge is good. This credo is at the heart of the Zetacult. It doesn´t matter what some PhD is telling you. It doesn´t matter what some amature skywatcher with her own 8 inch telescope tells you. It doesn´t matter what mathematicians, astronomers, geologists or meteorologists are telling you. All that matters is Ms. Lieder´s revelations from the Zetas.

Cults have charismatic leaders who get the good news out, recruit believers, do battle with agents of evil and tell followers exactly how to live their lives. Some like Marshall Applewhite and David Koresh see themselves as messianic figures. This next section will show that Nancy Lieder sees herself to be one as well.
Nancy Lieder as Messiah

Ambitious people, out to save or change the world, have often seen themselves as historical figures. Some of them have crossed a threshold and begin to see themselves as divine agents or as deities themselves. The results have largely depended on circumstances and the levels of power attained by these individuals. In Alexander the great, the results were, unless one was Persian, generally neutral or positive. In Hitler they were devastating on a massive scale. With Messrs. Applewhite and Koresh tragedies occurred, but on a much smaller scale. Some of Ms. Lieder´s claims put her in league with these last two, but luckily she doesn´t have her believers ensconced in a compound. Keeping in mind the cult/religious aspects of Zetatalk, an analysis of these claims clearly shows a messianic mindset.

She claims to be a "chosen one of the Zeta gods."

She claims to have exclusive access and to speak for the Zeta gods.

She claims to be able to deliver humanity from the Planet X end times.

She claims to be fighting against agents of evil that are out to spread disinformation and prevent the populace from accepting Zetacult´s truth.

Like Osiris, Bohidarma, Jesus and other message bringers, she claims to have suffered or gone through a trail to become the chosen one.
This quote is from the May 13, 2003 edition of Coast to Coast AM with George Noory:

"Because we could rely on her at this point in time. Uh, after years of, of intense pressure, um, ah, trying to gut her, ah, from every angle that affects a human being, um, to, ah, give up, walk away, um, close down her psyche, alter her message, um, make mistakes, uh, we could rely on her not to do that…"
In addition to her transformative ordeal, she sees herself as a social or intellectual martyr for her cause, and expresses a willingness to be physically martyred as well.

She sees herself as emulating historical characters and that she´ll be thought of as one as well. Again, from the May 13, 2003 Coast to Coast AM:
"I am Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa in essence…"
The Joan of Arc reference is a clear attempt to reinforce her martyr image as well.

She claims to the gift of prophecy though revelations made to her when she channels the Zetas.

She has an entire web site and publishing company dedicated to telling believers how to live their lives and what they must (move to safe area, euthanize pets) in order to make it through the Planet X end times.
It matters

People who argue against nonsense have many reasons for doing so. Some altruistically try and help their fellow man avoid being scammed out of money or pride while others just want to rid the world of kooks and kooky ideas. One of the most altruistic efforts a skeptic can make is trying to stop someone from ruining their lives or worse yet committing suicide over bogus beliefs like Planet X and the Zetacult. The arrival date for Planet X has passed, but the time for confronting Zetatalk and Nancy Lieder has not.

Channelings from 'a mouthpiece for an interstellar street person,' is beautiful!

Let's see how accurate some of your "predictions" are.

You can't even predict the correct name of the pair of probes. It's not STERIO, it's STEREO. In fact, you couldn't even predict their launch...they won't be launched until no later than OCTOBER 18, 2006. Missed that one old girl.

[link to www.nasa.gov]

I see you really screwed up on the Crown Princess incident. In one place you claimed it listed 30° and that passengers went into the ocean. Wrong on both counts, only 15° and no passengers went overboard.

As for the Atlantic Rift, it's been spreading for millions of years.

I could go on with your failed "predictions".

You're full of crap old girl. Give it up, find yourself a nice rocking chair and start knitting afghans.

Nancy, CUT THE FREAKIN CRAP!!!

Why not just post a prediction saying: "The Zetas say EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN!"?

Then, you can post every day and crow: "Look! EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING, just like the Zetas said it would!".

The only talent you have is a talent for producing voluminous amounts of verbal garbage. Your empty self-aggrandizing rhetoric is pathetically arrogant, especially considering your spectacular lack of predictive success in matters astronomical.

Get a life!

I hate to ask, but do you know Amitakh? I supported her once also.

ZetaTalk accuracy never stops? Shit, when did it ever start?

ZetaTalk Accuracy, It Just Doesn’t Stop

Good one, Nancy!

Elle and Loser--> <--Nancy

Nancy you idiot, have you ever STOPPED and realised the delusional WORLD you ALONE exist in!!

You are BLOODY hilarious at times alright Queen of the s.

Accuracy!!

frantic frothing from a fearful peanut

gallery--go figure

namcy & zetas right here tomorrow at glp

dream on lonely twerp

Um... Sorcha is more accurate than you.

and EAT for that matter. ehe

elle you attention whore!!

Get a fucking life you moron wench!!

elle smelle full of

!!

go figure elle is a Nutter!!

You'ren LOSING big time here ELLE!!

.............and it feels GOOOD!! GOOD!!

Joke thread of the YEAR!!

please oh Nancy dear!!

zetas, "hello we drink cow milk then suck their blud" nancy, "i will tell the world" zetas, "tell your glp friends" nancy, "will do comrades". zetas, "we love you and thank you for your eggs" nancy, "my pleasure"

If you applied your story telling/marketing/advertising (ie; lying) skills to a real product, you may actually be able to make some good coin!

Nan'elle,

What do you mean, ZetaTalk 'accuracy' never stops? It *never* even *began*! - But putting that to the side for the moment, is that why it is at its *nadir* in popularity these days?

If Nancy picked up a pen name she could write some fiction novels and make big $$ ala JK Rowling,

Nancy; per your last reply re J-rod's orientation....if the STO and STS don't mix, does that mean that some planets in the Zeta Reticuli star system are STO while others are STS? As you are aware, Dr Burisch has been 'ordered' to disclose the ET presence to the public insofar as he knows about it (which includes half-truths, lies, etc; yes, we know this). The zetan J-rod he knew allegedly travelled through time, taking part in an abduction of Burisch in 1973 before continuing on to our year 1953 and his 'crash' near Kingman, AZ. Even more incredulously, we are told that Dr Burisch 'pushed' the J-rod into a 'stargate' to send him home in 2003, since he was 'homesick'. As the public is now treated to both Zetatalk and the 'official' Disclosure of Dr Burisch, do the zetas have any comment to help sort out the confusion?

Hi silly debunkers

great sunset on Katkam again today:

[link to www.katkam.ca]