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Chelated silver ions vs ionic/colloidal silver

 
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
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I make ionic and its been sitting for months in a jar and hasn't changed color. Still clear. I thought metaloproteins distributed the silver
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
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How do you know for a fact that cruise ships use it?
I think they use completely conventional means to clean water.
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
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How do you know for a fact that cruise ships use it?
I think they use completely conventional means to clean water.
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Because I saw with my own eyes what they were disinfecting everything with. Its silver citrate produced by Pure Bioscience.
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Wouldn't altering the ph of the distilled water by adding citric acid make the silver oxidize? (tarnish & turn yellow)
I'm assuming it does the same thing in your stomach after it's consumed.
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
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Mine turned yellow too...
but, i noticed the distilled water i used says "processed by: steam distillation, microfiltration, ionization" Plus, it came from a PLASTIC milk type jug... Great Value brand.

I wonder if they use all three distilation processes for super pure, or is it more like 'we use one of the three - you guess which' lol

gonna try to find pure steam distilled next time... maybe i need to steam my own... thinking about it. just tough due to energy/time and having glass cooling tubes?

Thoughts?

grinning
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Wouldn't altering the ph of the distilled water by adding citric acid make the silver oxidize? (tarnish & turn yellow)
I'm assuming it does the same thing in your stomach after it's consumed.
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The silver ions react immediately with citric acid to form silver citrate. It stabilizes the ag ions. Also citrates are considered food by bacteria, which is supposed to further the bioactivity.

The only downside to silver citrate is that the ppm is usually very high because citric acid does increase the conductivity of the water. Mitigated by dilution of final citrate solution.
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
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Mine turned yellow too...
but, i noticed the distilled water i used says "processed by: steam distillation, microfiltration, ionization" Plus, it came from a PLASTIC milk type jug... Great Value brand.

I wonder if they use all three distilation processes for super pure, or is it more like 'we use one of the three - you guess which' lol

gonna try to find pure steam distilled next time... maybe i need to steam my own... thinking about it. just tough due to energy/time and having glass cooling tubes?

Thoughts?

grinning
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I have had decent luck with the arrowhead brand water at most grocery stores. I made a couple gallons of ionic silver about an month ago and the solution is still clear (for now). Rumor has it that silver ions will begin to agglomerate in a solution of 20ppm or more.
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I tried this:
[link to www.instructables.com]

came up with idea on my own! pat on back... lol Same pans even - just my matrix... :D
then just now found that page.

After 2 hours I had about a tablespoon lol
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69224424


Mine turned yellow too...
but, i noticed the distilled water i used says "processed by: steam distillation, microfiltration, ionization" Plus, it came from a PLASTIC milk type jug... Great Value brand.

I wonder if they use all three distilation processes for super pure, or is it more like 'we use one of the three - you guess which' lol

gonna try to find pure steam distilled next time... maybe i need to steam my own... thinking about it. just tough due to energy/time and having glass cooling tubes?

Thoughts?

grinning
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I have had decent luck with the arrowhead brand water at most grocery stores. I made a couple gallons of ionic silver about an month ago and the solution is still clear (for now). Rumor has it that silver ions will begin to agglomerate in a solution of 20ppm or more.
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thanks, will check it out.
yeah, i may have over done it... i don't have any testing device to check ppm... I need to look into that. just went with time/voltage suggestions from web.
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Re: Chelated silver ions vs ionic/colloidal silver
I tried this:
[link to www.instructables.com]

came up with idea on my own! pat on back... lol Same pans even - just my matrix... :D
then just now found that page.

After 2 hours I had about a tablespoon lol
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From what Ive read rapid boil and rapid cool :)
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Re: Chelated silver ions vs ionic/colloidal silver
I tried this:
[link to www.instructables.com]

came up with idea on my own! pat on back... lol Same pans even - just my matrix... :D
then just now found that page.

After 2 hours I had about a tablespoon lol
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From what Ive read rapid boil and rapid cool :)
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yeah, it is the capture and cool part that is tough imho. coiled glass tube - I'm thinking M*A*S*H and the hut still :)

used to play with glass tube chem lab @ school; gotta find me some long CHEAP glass tubing.
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Re: Chelated silver ions vs ionic/colloidal silver
The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69224424


Mine turned yellow too...
but, i noticed the distilled water i used says "processed by: steam distillation, microfiltration, ionization" Plus, it came from a PLASTIC milk type jug... Great Value brand.

I wonder if they use all three distilation processes for super pure, or is it more like 'we use one of the three - you guess which' lol

gonna try to find pure steam distilled next time... maybe i need to steam my own... thinking about it. just tough due to energy/time and having glass cooling tubes?

Thoughts?

grinning
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I have had decent luck with the arrowhead brand water at most grocery stores. I made a couple gallons of ionic silver about an month ago and the solution is still clear (for now). Rumor has it that silver ions will begin to agglomerate in a solution of 20ppm or more.
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thanks, will check it out.
yeah, i may have over done it... i don't have any testing device to check ppm... I need to look into that. just went with time/voltage suggestions from web.
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If using the battery method, I've always had my solutions turn yellow eventually, even when cleaning off the electrodes every half hour or so.

Ive read that as the conductivity of the water rises from the Ag ions, the more current is drawn from the batteries which ends up producing charged silver particulates versus individual ions. The particulates agglomerate at a much faster rate and begin to reflect light, hence the color. Something like that :)
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^ makes sense... :)
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Imheardnthat you need really small particles, as in nano silver.

I am planning on buying a high quality generator that is proven to produce nano silver. It might cost 250 but I can afford it and it proven. They have the documentation.

Silver said my left arm a few years ago from MRSA and cellulitis where antibiotics failed. I've also cured a case of pinkeye with it. That's just my option/experience.

I always have topical and by mouth type at the house.. But you need to be able to make nano silver when the SHTF.
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Imheardnthat you need really small particles, as in nano silver.

I am planning on buying a high quality generator that is proven to produce nano silver. It might cost 250 but I can afford it and it proven. They have the documentation.

Silver said my left arm a few years ago from MRSA and cellulitis where antibiotics failed. I've also cured a case of pinkeye with it. That's just my option/experience.

I always have topical and by mouth type at the house.. But you need to be able to make nano silver when the SHTF.
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I meant "saved" my left arm . Darn iPad.
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Imheardnthat you need really small particles, as in nano silver.

I am planning on buying a high quality generator that is proven to produce nano silver. It might cost 250 but I can afford it and it proven. They have the documentation.

Silver said my left arm a few years ago from MRSA and cellulitis where antibiotics failed. I've also cured a case of pinkeye with it. That's just my option/experience.

I always have topical and by mouth type at the house.. But you need to be able to make nano silver when the SHTF.
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what makes the generator special? been reading and i happen to have a battery charger with current limiter. running now 12v 0.05Amps. using a red laser (something i read) and will stop when the beam is clearly defined visually in the liquid. using a multimeter and monitoring amps...

i tried the 9v battery method, but the post about too much current as the solution gets more concentrated was right on i think - if the silver starts bubbling definitely a sign tooo much current. low v low amps for smaller particles??

current drops when i stir as well, another good sign that it is working imho.

using this for reference:
[link to www.quantumbalancing.com (secure)]

thoughts?
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any electronics gurus out there?

generator circuit idea:

battery charger 2Amp positive lead goes to anode of basic LED, negative of LED goes to silver rod in distilled solution, other rod back to negative of battery charger.

my theory... LED begins to light up at current increases due to solution becoming concentrated. stir occasionally to keep solution mixed. when LED is bright stop the power. basic LED uses 20mAmps. Test solution at this point (test method?? - laser etc if don't have a ppm meter) and if more time is needed, add another LED. at some point, when both (or more LED's are lit) the solution should be done.

thoughts?
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actually, i think any dc power source would work, doesn't need to be a specific voltage or current because that is being controlled by the solution itself limiting the current.

9v battery or multiple, c, d cells, bat charger, ac/dc converter etc. just have to monitor the led for brightness... starting with fresh distilled water and using 12v, the led should start to brighten after a couple hours.
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one star lol
it actually works :) the led starts dim in pure distilled, gets brighter over time, the laser pointer beam as a test gets more defined - no beam at the start in pure distilled.
if you want precision, get a ppm... i don't need one.

for those that care, DIY at it's finest. and if you don't care no loss here
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69224424


How do you know for a fact that cruise ships use it?
I think they use completely conventional means to clean water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69236330


Because I saw with my own eyes what they were disinfecting everything with. Its silver citrate produced by Pure Bioscience.
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op
since you are interested

i am using this silver nano gel and it really works..i had gone through serious surgery and my surgeon prescribed it

meganano zuventus pharma

[link to www.khandelwallab.com]
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So why the one star lol?
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The most common chelate for siler is citric acid/citrate. They say a chelate (a molecule that attracts metal ions to form a new molecule that eventually sheds the ion in another process) is much more effective. We know that silver ions are extremely reactive, especially to chloride ions and other plentiful willing compounds in the body.

Through personal experience I know that ionic silver solutions in distilled water always agglomerates (silver ions clump together to form oxides that turn the solution yellow or worse). Silver oxides are not nearly as bioactive as silver ions.

So, I know for a fact that cruise ships use silver citrates almost exclusively to constantly disinfect their ships - have any of you GLPers experimented with it? Silver citrate is made using the same process as electrolysis based silver ion solutions. The only difference is citric acid is added to the distilled water.

Queue the blue man replies lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69224424


How do you know for a fact that cruise ships use it?
I think they use completely conventional means to clean water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69236330


Because I saw with my own eyes what they were disinfecting everything with. Its silver citrate produced by Pure Bioscience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69224424


op
since you are interested

i am using this silver nano gel and it really works..i had gone through serious surgery and my surgeon prescribed it

meganano zuventus pharma

[link to www.khandelwallab.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69240898


I've used a gel on athletes foot, I think it was American Bioscience, and within 2 days it was completely eliminated. And I mean gone.
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Anyway, back to the ORIGINAL topic, silver citrate. From what I am reading extremely effective. Citric acid is a common canning ingredient so I may just try making some and do some experimenting. The only thing I've read that is a flag is that you cannot use a generator to make silver citrate, battery or external PSU method only.
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any electronics gurus out there?

generator circuit idea:

battery charger 2Amp positive lead goes to anode of basic LED, negative of LED goes to silver rod in distilled solution, other rod back to negative of battery charger.

my theory... LED begins to light up at current increases due to solution becoming concentrated. stir occasionally to keep solution mixed. when LED is bright stop the power. basic LED uses 20mAmps. Test solution at this point (test method?? - laser etc if don't have a ppm meter) and if more time is needed, add another LED. at some point, when both (or more LED's are lit) the solution should be done.

thoughts?
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I have about 8 years experience and experimentation with Ionic Silver and true colloidal silver. Things I have discovered.
All colloidal Silver Generators produce Ionic Silver.
Ionic Silver must be reduced to make true metallic Colloidal silver.
Ionic silver: is only good for use topically skin, eyes,cuts,
acne,mix with hand soap to kill virus. disinfect counters door knobs and other surfaces. If you ingest ionic silver it is affected by your stomach acid and turns to silver chloride once inside the body and is only about 10% to 20% affective. It also can get trapped in cells and have a higher chance of causing argyria grey blue skin about a 10% chance of this happening. You would have to drink large amounts of properly made Ionic Silver daily for this to happen. can only be made stable to 23 PPM
True metallic Colloidal Silver: is good for internal use for many problems. Flu cold, sickness,virus,bacterial infection ,food poisoning. It is not that affective for topical use because it is capped when it is reduced from Ionic to true colloidal Silver.But is is not affected by stomach acid does not turn to silver chloride and 90% or more enters the blood stream. It passes thru the body does not get trapped in cells and has very little chance of causing argyria.
can be made stable up to 320 PPM. 20 PPM is all I use for ingesting. It has worked for sickness in 24 hours or less every time.

The formula I use to make ionic or colloidal silver is

Time = Milliliters of distilled water x PPM X 0.015 / mA of constant current.
So I have 1050 Milliliters of distilled water that I want to make to 20 PPM using 1.5 mA of constant current.
It would look like this
210 min or 3.5 hours = 1050*20*0.015/1.5 mA
you can make any amount of liquid silver using this formula just change the milliliters of water or PPM or mA of constant current.

After experimenting with several machines I have found 33 volts of DC and 1.5 mA of constant current works best with 10 gauge 9999 Silver wire . [link to www.amazon.com]
You can make 1 quart or liter 20 PPM in 3.5 hours. The product is excellent quality and can be made in a short amount of time. you can get a 1.5 mA constant current diode E-152 from mouser Electronics for 2.31ea
[link to www.mouser.com]
hook the striped end of diode to negative side of power supply. Connect the other side of diode to the cathode or negative side of colloidal silver generator. This will give you a constant current colloidal silver generator.
I will post in a update on how to convert ionic silver to true colloidal silver when I have time.
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For more information, see my thread,


Thread: How I make Colloidal Silver for personal use
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Thread: >>>SILVER ION has the proven ability to cause any HUMAN CELL to revert back to a STEM CELL!!<<<
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Re: Chelated silver ions vs ionic/colloidal silver
Imheardnthat you need really small particles, as in nano silver.

I am planning on buying a high quality generator that is proven to produce nano silver. It might cost 250 but I can afford it and it proven. They have the documentation.

Silver said my left arm a few years ago from MRSA and cellulitis where antibiotics failed. I've also cured a case of pinkeye with it. That's just my option/experience.

I always have topical and by mouth type at the house.. But you need to be able to make nano silver when the SHTF.
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I meant "saved" my left arm . Darn iPad.
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lol was wondering how you taught your arm to talk.
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Imheardnthat you need really small particles, as in nano silver.

I am planning on buying a high quality generator that is proven to produce nano silver. It might cost 250 but I can afford it and it proven. They have the documentation.

Silver said my left arm a few years ago from MRSA and cellulitis where antibiotics failed. I've also cured a case of pinkeye with it. That's just my option/experience.

I always have topical and by mouth type at the house.. But you need to be able to make nano silver when the SHTF.
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I bought silver Maples to use in my generator. After reading that some bars sold may not be true silver and that the coins lasted longer. So got everything I need to make my own now.
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Bilisarius

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."





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