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In this video, the Apollo 11 astronauts are shown in detail faking the view of the Earth from space. The video was supposedly mistakenly released by NASA during the fulfillment of a footage request. The video is from 2013, but I couldn't find it posted here with a quick search. My apologies in advance if it has been. The video is only 13 minutes in total, but the segment I'm referring to starts around the 2 minute mark.

This video seems particularly damning, but I'm sure a true believer will chime in to enlighten me as to which logical fallacy I am guilty of committing, since those cheat sheets always seems to be a part of their Debate Team 101 kit aka Shilling For Dummies. Dang, I think I just dropped an ad hominem attack on those guys bundled with a pinch of incredulity.

In all sincerity though, I'm interested to hear what people from both sides of the debate think about the video though. Tear it apart if you can.



No wonder they "lost" the tapes right? This was probably one of the "lost" ones.

PS: I think the post below was referring to the same issue, but it never got much of a response.
Thread: Small Earth seen moving outside NASA's Apollo ship windows is faked using transparencies & a blackboard in the middle of two tiered windows

...sits back and waits for the inevitable 'ohlook' smiley post by an Aussie boring
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Oh look, that was actually pretty cool.
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I think when Neil says the window is filled up with the camera and then you can clearly see someone moving in front of the camera and between the window, it either indicates he flat out lied or it was constructed in a way to seem like he is lying.
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Oh look, that was actually pretty cool.
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LOL was just teasing you guys, but yeah I thought it was pretty interesting too tounge

BTW, I'm the OP but the vpn config on my router alternates IP addresses so I'll probably have a new AC.
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Oh look, that was actually pretty cool.
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LOL was just teasing you guys, but yeah I thought it was pretty interesting too tounge

BTW, I'm the OP but the vpn config on my router alternates IP addresses so I'll probably have a new AC.
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I felt compelled to respond to your tease :)
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I think when Neil says the window is filled up with the camera and then you can clearly see someone moving in front of the camera and between the window, it either indicates he flat out lied or it was constructed in a way to seem like he is lying.
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Yeah, for sure, not to mention the part later on where he reports back to Houston that they are 130,000 miles from Earth when they are apparently just in orbit. I actually feel kind of sorry for Armstrong, being that he was such a proud and honorable person that genuinely attempted to volunteer for his country, only to ultimately be forced into carrying out a deception with the rest of Apollo crew members. I think living with the lie was a soul crushing blow for a man like that and it certainly affected him for the rest of his life.

Some of the astronauts were actually beginning to speak out against the fraudulent program, but they were quickly silenced. Gus Grissom was the most outspoken and I'm sure you know how that ended up. First attempt failed, second didn't.
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How about when the camera was rolling and the lights came back on.

I know pretty much anything can be made digitally to seem like anything, but if this was/is a fake. Best fake I have ever seen.

Honestly I cant confirm or deny that man ever went to the moon but what the narrator talks about, with the camera trickery is certainly shown here for what it is.
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Circumstantial evidence...

***Apollo 11 astronauts post-mission press conference.

***NASA Administrator James Webb (a 33rd degree masons, for those who are interested) resigns shortly before Apollo 11 mission. (Oh, to be a fly on the wall during private conversations between Webb and Aldrin).

***Neil Armstrong's strange anniversary speech where he says that there are spectacular things to be found, if you can remove truth's protective layers.

***Soviets (and nobody else) ever went.

***We haven't been back. And we're told that to get back would take as long as it did with Apollo & 1960s technology. Why? We went successfully 6 times, right? Let's just replicate what we did with what we used with Apollo. Scientific theory is all about being able to replicate your experiment. All R&D was done in the 1960s. Let's go back to the moon by the end of this year (2015). If not, why not?

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This video seems particularly damning, but I'm sure a true believer will chime in to enlighten me as to which logical fallacy I am guilty of committing, since those cheat sheets always seems to be a part of their Debate Team 101 kit aka Shilling For Dummies.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 3764277

Gullibility isn't a logical fallacy.
It's just dumb.

Bart "The Liar" Sibrel lied when he claimed the video was "mistakenly released."
None of it has never been not publicly available. In fact most of it was broadcast.

AND THEN Bart "The Liar" Sibrel edited out the parts that he didn't want his marks to see.
The parts that proof his claims are a deliberate lie.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

You should know better than to think that a 14-year old movie wouldn't have been completely debunked to shreds by now.
In fact it was almost immediately: Jim McDade, writing in The Birmingham News, characterized A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon as "full of falsehoods, innuendo, strident accusations, half-truths, flawed logic and premature conclusions."[3] According to McDade, the "only thing new and weird" in the film is that the claim that video views of Earth were actually filmed through a small hole to give the impression that Apollo 11 was not in low earth orbit. "Bart has misinterpreted things that are immediately obvious to anyone who has extensively read Apollo history and documentation or anyone who has ever been inside an Apollo Command Module or accurate mockup," says McDade.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The only thing that changed is that Wade gave Sibrel the benefit of the doubt that he really was that ignorant and stupid, rather than just lying.
We know better now.
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Circumstantial evidence...

***Apollo 11 astronauts post-mission press conference.

***NASA Administrator James Webb (a 33rd degree masons, for those who are interested) resigns shortly before Apollo 11 mission. (Oh, to be a fly on the wall during private conversations between Webb and Aldrin).

***Neil Armstrong's strange anniversary speech where he says that there are spectacular things to be found, if you can remove truth's protective layers.

***Soviets (and nobody else) ever went.

***We haven't been back. And we're told that to get back would take as long as it did with Apollo & 1960s technology. Why? We went successfully 6 times, right? Let's just replicate what we did with what we used with Apollo. Scientific theory is all about being able to replicate your experiment. All R&D was done in the 1960s. Let's go back to the moon by the end of this year (2015). If not, why not?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty


NASA Administrator James Webb was a member of the Acacia Fraternity...

Acacia Fraternity is a social fraternity founded at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The fraternity has 33 active chapters and 3 colonies throughout Canada and the United States. Membership was originally restricted to those who had taken the Masonic obligations, but in 1988, the fraternity became international and removed its masonic restrictions.

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Most of these claims (e.g., flag waving in "wind") have already been debunked on Mythbusters. You can find them on YouTube.

Those who claim moon landing was hoax are simply tards.
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Most of these claims (e.g., flag waving in "wind") have already been debunked on Mythbusters. You can find them on YouTube.

Those who claim moon landing was hoax are simply tards.
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That you, Buzz Lightyear?
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Oh look, that was actually pretty cool.
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:ohlook:
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This video seems particularly damning, but I'm sure a true believer will chime in to enlighten me as to which logical fallacy I am guilty of committing, since those cheat sheets always seems to be a part of their Debate Team 101 kit aka Shilling For Dummies.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 3764277

Gullibility isn't a logical fallacy.
It's just dumb.

Bart "The Liar" Sibrel lied when he claimed the video was "mistakenly released."
None of it has never been not publicly available. In fact most of it was broadcast.

AND THEN Bart "The Liar" Sibrel edited out the parts that he didn't want his marks to see.
The parts that proof his claims are a deliberate lie.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

You should know better than to think that a 14-year old movie wouldn't have been completely debunked to shreds by now.
In fact it was almost immediately: Jim McDade, writing in The Birmingham News, characterized A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon as "full of falsehoods, innuendo, strident accusations, half-truths, flawed logic and premature conclusions."[3] According to McDade, the "only thing new and weird" in the film is that the claim that video views of Earth were actually filmed through a small hole to give the impression that Apollo 11 was not in low earth orbit. "Bart has misinterpreted things that are immediately obvious to anyone who has extensively read Apollo history and documentation or anyone who has ever been inside an Apollo Command Module or accurate mockup," says McDade.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The only thing that changed is that Wade gave Sibrel the benefit of the doubt that he really was that ignorant and stupid, rather than just lying.
We know better now.
book
[link to www.clavius.org]
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Why is this guy playing stupid? The full version of the video just confirms the short one.
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Circumstantial evidence...
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Innuendo doesn't actually qualify as any sort of evidence.

***Apollo 11 astronauts post-mission press conference.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the one you never saw, except for the 4 minutes of outtakes the hoaxmongers wanted you to see?
While whispering in your ear (no doubt in a posh British accent) how they wanted you to interpret it.

***NASA Administrator James Webb (a 33rd degree masons, for those who are interested) resigns shortly before Apollo 11 mission. (Oh, to be a fly on the wall during private conversations between Webb and Aldrin).
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

8 and a half months is shortly now?

***Neil Armstrong's strange anniversary speech where he says that there are spectacular things to be found, if you can remove truth's protective layers.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the speech you have never heard?
Except the few sentences the hoaxmongers wanted you to misinterpret.

***Soviets (and nobody else) ever went.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Going to the Moon was about winning the Space Race, coming in second would have emphasised the fact that the USSR lost the Space Race.

***We haven't been back.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Nobody set foot on the South Pole for 44 years. (1912-1956)
Nobody went back to the bottom of the Mariana Trench for 52 years. (1960-2012)

And we're told that to get back would take as long as it did with Apollo & 1960s technology. Why?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because they want NASA to do it within current budget levels.
Which, frankly, is impossible.

As far as Congress is concerned NASA is mostly about the pork.
They are not interested in grand schemes they can't benefit from during the next couple of election cycles.

We went successfully 6 times, right? Let's just replicate what we did with what we used with Apollo.
[..]
All R&D was done in the 1960s. Let's go back to the moon by the end of this year (2015). If not, why not?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because you are not willing to pay for it.

Scientific theory is all about being able to replicate your experiment.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Landing men on the Moon wasn't a scientific experiment.
It was a politically motivated engineering project that, almost accidently, happened to do some scientific exploration as a side effect.
book

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They faked the moon trip to trick Russia at the time.
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They faked the moon trip to trick Russia at the time.
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And to keep the promise of a U.S. President (Kennedy in 1962).
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Ah, and the other thread is locked.
Thread: We NEVER went to the MOON - PROOF

I wonder why lmao


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Come on, explain this! I bet you can't! Why would an someone lie blatantly, if he's sure everything is real?
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an someone lol
didn't mean that
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Circumstantial evidence...
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Innuendo doesn't actually qualify as any sort of evidence.

***Apollo 11 astronauts post-mission press conference.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the one you never saw, except for the 4 minutes of outtakes the hoaxmongers wanted you to see?
While whispering in your ear (no doubt in a posh British accent) how they wanted you to interpret it.

***NASA Administrator James Webb (a 33rd degree masons, for those who are interested) resigns shortly before Apollo 11 mission. (Oh, to be a fly on the wall during private conversations between Webb and Aldrin).
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

8 and a half months is shortly now?

***Neil Armstrong's strange anniversary speech where he says that there are spectacular things to be found, if you can remove truth's protective layers.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the speech you have never heard?
Except the few sentences the hoaxmongers wanted you to misinterpret.

***Soviets (and nobody else) ever went.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Going to the Moon was about winning the Space Race, coming in second would have emphasised the fact that the USSR lost the Space Race.

***We haven't been back.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Nobody set foot on the South Pole for 44 years. (1912-1956)
Nobody went back to the bottom of the Mariana Trench for 52 years. (1960-2012)

And we're told that to get back would take as long as it did with Apollo & 1960s technology. Why?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because they want NASA to do it within current budget levels.
Which, frankly, is impossible.

As far as Congress is concerned NASA is mostly about the pork.
They are not interested in grand schemes they can't benefit from during the next couple of election cycles.

We went successfully 6 times, right? Let's just replicate what we did with what we used with Apollo.
[..]
All R&D was done in the 1960s. Let's go back to the moon by the end of this year (2015). If not, why not?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because you are not willing to pay for it.

Scientific theory is all about being able to replicate your experiment.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Landing men on the Moon wasn't a scientific experiment.
It was a politically motivated engineering project that, almost accidently, happened to do some scientific exploration as a side effect.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


shill
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Landing men on the Moon wasn't a scientific experiment.

Can you imagine? It wasn't! Period.

lol
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You mean the one you never saw, except for the 4 minutes of outtakes the hoaxmongers wanted you to see?
While whispering in your ear (no doubt in a posh British accent) how they wanted you to interpret it.

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How dare you cast such aspersions, you sir are a cad and a bounder and doubtless an upstart member of the Hoi polloi.

uk
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Circumstantial evidence...
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Innuendo doesn't actually qualify as any sort of evidence.

***Apollo 11 astronauts post-mission press conference.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the one you never saw, except for the 4 minutes of outtakes the hoaxmongers wanted you to see?
While whispering in your ear (no doubt in a posh British accent) how they wanted you to interpret it.

***NASA Administrator James Webb (a 33rd degree masons, for those who are interested) resigns shortly before Apollo 11 mission. (Oh, to be a fly on the wall during private conversations between Webb and Aldrin).
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

8 and a half months is shortly now?

***Neil Armstrong's strange anniversary speech where he says that there are spectacular things to be found, if you can remove truth's protective layers.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

You mean the speech you have never heard?
Except the few sentences the hoaxmongers wanted you to misinterpret.

***Soviets (and nobody else) ever went.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Going to the Moon was about winning the Space Race, coming in second would have emphasised the fact that the USSR lost the Space Race.

***We haven't been back.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Nobody set foot on the South Pole for 44 years. (1912-1956)
Nobody went back to the bottom of the Mariana Trench for 52 years. (1960-2012)

And we're told that to get back would take as long as it did with Apollo & 1960s technology. Why?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because they want NASA to do it within current budget levels.
Which, frankly, is impossible.

As far as Congress is concerned NASA is mostly about the pork.
They are not interested in grand schemes they can't benefit from during the next couple of election cycles.

We went successfully 6 times, right? Let's just replicate what we did with what we used with Apollo.
[..]
All R&D was done in the 1960s. Let's go back to the moon by the end of this year (2015). If not, why not?
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Because you are not willing to pay for it.

Scientific theory is all about being able to replicate your experiment.
 Quoting: Basil Fawlty

Landing men on the Moon wasn't a scientific experiment.
It was a politically motivated engineering project that, almost accidently, happened to do some scientific exploration as a side effect.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


1) I SAID "circumstantial evidence". I claimed nothing more. So your outrage at this is fallacious and disingenuous.

2) No, I watched the entire press conference. The astronauts were largely sullen, downcast, seemingly depressed.

3) Eight months is indeed a relatively short time, considering Webb was NASA Administrator from 1961. Why would he quit just before his 8-year long tenure of NASA fulfilled its ultimate goal -- ostensibly landing men on the moon. Peculiar. Could it be that as the end of the decade (JFK's promise) rapidly approached, it was apparent that they wouldn't be able to send men to the moon, and there was a schism -- those who wanted to fake it, and those who wanted to admit defeat, and this might've caused NASA Administrator James Webb's resignation, eight months before NASA realized its ultimate goal, after 8 years on the job? If you don't question oddities, Halcyon Dayz, you're ripe for victim status.

4) I have heard Neil Armstrong's speech many times. Surely you're not basing your argument on whether or not I've heard/seen the things of which I'm discussing? That's a pathetic, straw-man argument, as I have seen and heard those things which I have discussed in this post. That's your way of refusing to aknowledge the oddities I highlight. Nice try.

5) The U.S. developed nuclear weapons first. Did the Soviets stop seeking their development? No. They continued until they gained parity. A Norwegian was the first to reach the center of Antarctica. Did all other nations stop after that? No. Other nations continued, so that today there are 20-some countries with bases on Antarctica (which is exactly what a rational, logical person would expect).

6) Again, you create a straw-man argument. We've been told by our leaders that we could (and some say should) go back to the moon, but that it would take 8 years. Why would it take 8 years with 2010 technology, when we went 6 times in the 1960s with 1960s technology? Makes no sense. If what we did (landing men on the moon) was truly successful 6 times (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17), why not just replicate those missions? Why start over, if we succeeded the first 6 times? It's illogical. As I've always said, it's not the "science" that reveals the hoax (although it does, as well), it's the investigator's eye. When you lie upon lie, it becomes difficult to remember and continue to build upon, that original lie. "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

7) Pay for what? All the R&D has been done -- in the 1960s. Let's just do it again. It shouldn't take more than 7 or 8 months. What's the problem (if we actually did send men to the moon successfully 6 times from 1969-1972)? Why would you have to spend all that time and money on R&D that's already been done, right? Besides that, when did citizens' unwillingness to pay for programs negate spending for those programs? Are you familiar with the Iraq War?

8) Actually, the verity of a set of ostensible "facts" (that we landed men on the moon with Apollo 6 times from 1969-72) can be gauged through the scientific process. If we landed men on the moon 6 times, we should be able to replicate it.

Back to your hash den in the tawdry underbelly of Amsterdam. See you next February when you come out to see your shadow.
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I forgot to address your response to my question: "Why haven't we been back?", when you stated how it took us 40 and 50 years to get back to Antarctica and the Mariana Trench. Actually, I did address it in another of my responses to you where I talked about how, after Norway got to the South Pole first, other nations didn't stop trying. They continued on, until now there are 20-some countries with bases on Antarctica.

The other point which you actually make yourself is: THEY DID GO BACK to Antarctica and Mariana Trench. But we haven't been back to the moon. So you make my point. Danke.

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This video seems particularly damning, but I'm sure a true believer will chime in to enlighten me as to which logical fallacy I am guilty of committing, since those cheat sheets always seems to be a part of their Debate Team 101 kit aka Shilling For Dummies.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 3764277

Gullibility isn't a logical fallacy.
It's just dumb.

Bart "The Liar" Sibrel lied when he claimed the video was "mistakenly released."
None of it has never been not publicly available. In fact most of it was broadcast.

AND THEN Bart "The Liar" Sibrel edited out the parts that he didn't want his marks to see.
The parts that proof his claims are a deliberate lie.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

You should know better than to think that a 14-year old movie wouldn't have been completely debunked to shreds by now.
In fact it was almost immediately: Jim McDade, writing in The Birmingham News, characterized A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon as "full of falsehoods, innuendo, strident accusations, half-truths, flawed logic and premature conclusions."[3] According to McDade, the "only thing new and weird" in the film is that the claim that video views of Earth were actually filmed through a small hole to give the impression that Apollo 11 was not in low earth orbit. "Bart has misinterpreted things that are immediately obvious to anyone who has extensively read Apollo history and documentation or anyone who has ever been inside an Apollo Command Module or accurate mockup," says McDade.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The only thing that changed is that Wade gave Sibrel the benefit of the doubt that he really was that ignorant and stupid, rather than just lying.
We know better now.
book
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


OP here again...

So, as usual, a typical long-winded, mocking, overconfident response that is designed to give the illusion of credibility but actually says very little and contains no substantive information, all while dancing around every issue except the one you attempt to introduce(the claim that the producer of the documentary is a liar).

While I agree that the documentary is incorrect when they say that the window itself is round, I don't consider it lying or an attempt to mislead because they are indeed using a blacked out window with a cutout to create an image that looks like Earth from a distance. Here are the main points to consider:

1) Starting at 5:34 in the original video, Aldrin states that they have shut out the windows to eliminate reflective light, which is interfering with their production. So, that at least establishes the fact that they have covers for the windows and are using them. They are also casually discussing the fact that the recording will look good for playback. However, they misled the public to believe that the video was a live feed.

2) The reflective light they are actually worried about is coming from the Earth which is a LOT closer than it is supposed to be. At several points in the footage, reflective flashes are seen coming off the water, which would not happen from a great distance. You can clearly see one example of the ocean reflecting light at 1:36 in the following video. And no, it is not a lens effect or camera issue, as you can clearly see the interior of the craft light up momentarily. Check it out starting at 1:36 of this clip...


3) The video that you posted bashes the documentary for not playing the clip in its entirety. However, their rebuttal video also conveniently leaves out portions of the video in the OP that would be impossible for them to explain such as the fact that the Earth is suddenly filling the entire window and extremely bright, when they uncover the window starting at 9:30. And no it is not the Sun itself that you see in BOTH windows, because the Sun would be nowhere near that size relative to the distance between the two windows. Alas, it can only be the Earth, which is indeed filling all the Windows on that side of the craft because at their actual distance, they probably can't even make out the Earth's curvature very well.

And finally, no matter what your opinion is on what I just said, the simple fact remains that this portion of the video reveals the fact that they had indeed blocked out the window and made an opening for the Earth(no matter what distance they were at), because at the end we are left with an extremely bright, open window, FULL of light. Meaning? Yep, you guessed it, they removed the cover that was blocking a portion of it. Come on now, it's not rocket science :) Lastly, if it had actually been the case that the bright light was coming directly from the Sun due to it being positioned right beside or behind the Earth, they would not have been able to actually see the Earth using an aperture at their claimed distance.

4) I found a higher resolution version of the entire broadcast that makes it all look even worse. Here is the video:


First off, check out that crazy long vertical cloud front(not) that doesn't give a rat's ass about the curvature of the Earth on the right side of the "Earth." Nothing wrong with that right? Now, I can't tell the orientation of the Earth here; but seriously, I guess that cloud is just a straight line around the entire planet. And wow, seeing clouds dissipate and slightly change shapes over the course of several minutes from that distance? Simply amazing!

Starting at 8:00, they state(accidentally I presume) that they are looking at the 'center' of the Earth, whatever the hell that could possibly mean if they were really 170,000 miles from Earth. However, looking at the center of the Earth would make a whole lot of sense if they were just several hundred miles above it.

But I think my favorite part is when they jokingly ask Houston if they could kindly turn the Earth since all they can see is water at one point, only to come back several minutes later saying that they are currently seeing the Eastern Pacific Ocean, the Western Coast of North America, the United States, the San Juaquin Valley, the High Sierras, Baja California, Mexico, Acapulco, the Yucatan Peninsula...to the Northern Coast of South America, including Venezuela and Columbia and then he says but he's not sure if all that would be visible on the image we're seeing...wtf? But alas, he says they can't see Hawaii yet, because that's totally something you'd be looking out for from 170,000 miles away.

Finally, if you skip to around 20 minutes in, the Earth suddenly has an unnerving lack of land masses. No matter what the orientation is supposed to be, where the hell is Antarctica? But really, it seems like they have been instructed to keep the "Earth" image focused on as much cloud coverage as possible, preferably with at least some portion of unrecognizable land mass visible in an attempt to make it believable.

5) Why isn't there any video of the Earth seen from Apollo 11 on the way BACK from the moon? Please let me know if there is some video from the return trip that I just haven't found yet. I realize you don't just travel in a straight line to an orbiting body, but wouldn't the opportunity for a view of the Earth be the best on the way back? While the path to the moon isn't a completely straight line, the moon's orbital period is about 27 days and with a trip to the moon taking around 3 days, that would mean that the space craft is on average only around 10 degrees off the perpendicular. This seems like it would make it quite difficult to obtain decent footage of the Earth on the way TO the moon. Unless you were really just in orbit around the Earth the whole time, putting on an elaborate production.

And finally finally, why haven't they released any footage of the Earth taken from farther out into space from any of the later Apollo missions? I mean, really, can anyone convince themselves of a valid reason? I'm sure several of you can... will probably tell us that you did an elaborate calculation(that you nevertheless don't share with us) that reasons out why they couldn't provide footage from later missions. But I suspect we all know the real reason is that they couldn't continue to pretend that there was a valid reason to show us footage from video equipment that was several decades out of date. Nor could they show us higher resolution footage of a farce, which would be picked apart for the scam that it was...

But wanna see something funny? I did find this old clip I'd seen before while looking for some footage of the Earth from a later Apollo mission. Check it out starting around 8:20...it's like a cross between a 70's Porno and Star Wars caliber special effects. hahaha
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Most of these claims (e.g., flag waving in "wind") have already been debunked on Mythbusters. You can find them on YouTube.

Those who claim moon landing was hoax are simply tards.
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Yeah, because Mythbusters is so scientific. It's so clearly not entertainment. They should just go ahead and debunk 9/11 while they're at it. I'm sure they'd convince you at least.
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