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Moon Landing hoax? Debunking the Debunkers?

 
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1) The one making the claim bears the burden of providing sufficient evidence.

2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

3) NASA's claim that "we went to the Moon and returned safely, six times, without a single fatality" is by far the most extraordinary claim in the history of science. It therefore requires a similarly monumental level of totally irrefutable evidence.

4) The scientist's standard of proof is independent reproducibility. Some independent party, using the same methods and apparatus, must produce the same results.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, must get to the Moon and back safely using the same rocket, computer, space suits, etc.

5) The historian's standard of proof is independent confirmation. Some honest independent party must irrefutably verify the claim.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, and of known honesty, must verify that humans reached the Moon, walked around there, and returned safely.

6) The judge's standard of proof is the testimony, under oath and cross-examination, of multiple honest witnesses.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that the astronauts, engineers, and NASA executives must all testify under oath to their extraordinary claim, with cross-examination by knowledgeable skeptics.

7) NASA has not met any of these standards of proof--not even the last, which is the simplest: Putting the astronauts, engineers, and executives under oath and submitting them to cross-examination by skeptics. It is now too late, of course--too many of them have died, including Neil Armstrong.
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.

I mean if I went , I would have no reason to act weird about it, or hesitate for one second to place my hand on the bible and proclaim it happily and with confidence... those reactions are priceless.
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1) The one making the claim bears the burden of providing sufficient evidence.

2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

3) NASA's claim that "we went to the Moon and returned safely, six times, without a single fatality" is by far the most extraordinary claim in the history of science. It therefore requires a similarly monumental level of totally irrefutable evidence.

4) The scientist's standard of proof is independent reproducibility. Some independent party, using the same methods and apparatus, must produce the same results.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, must get to the Moon and back safely using the same rocket, computer, space suits, etc.

5) The historian's standard of proof is independent confirmation. Some honest independent party must irrefutably verify the claim.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, and of known honesty, must verify that humans reached the Moon, walked around there, and returned safely.

6) The judge's standard of proof is the testimony, under oath and cross-examination, of multiple honest witnesses.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that the astronauts, engineers, and NASA executives must all testify under oath to their extraordinary claim, with cross-examination by knowledgeable skeptics.

7) NASA has not met any of these standards of proof--not even the last, which is the simplest: Putting the astronauts, engineers, and executives under oath and submitting them to cross-examination by skeptics. It is now too late, of course--too many of them have died, including Neil Armstrong.
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The fact that NASA had a full set of simulation equipment (including a large-scale model of the Moon with a camera mounted on tracks so that it could "fly" over the Moonscape), and that the technicians at Mission Control were only looking at lights, gauges, etc, on their control panels, is to me "reasonable doubt" as to whether the event actually happened as presented to the public on TV.
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.
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Neil Armstrong's closing quote in his definitive biography was:

[link to books.google.com (secure)]
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As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened.
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The alleged last man to walk on the Moon, Eugene Cernan, told a group of Catholic men at a religious retreat, without being asked:
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If it was a simulation it was good enough to fool me.
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Hardly a steadfast assertion, leaving plenty of room for hypnosis and mind-altering drugs--especially given that his superiors could have had, by then, plenty of experience in fooling not only the public but even gullible astronauts.

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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171

Neil Armstrong's closing quote in his definitive biography was:

[link to books.google.com (secure)]
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As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened.
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The alleged last man to walk on the Moon, Eugene Cernan, told a group of Catholic men at a religious retreat, without being asked:
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If it was a simulation it was good enough to fool me.
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Hardly a steadfast assertion, leaving plenty of room for hypnosis and mind-altering drugs--especially given that his superiors could have had, by then, plenty of experience in fooling not only the public but even gullible astronauts.
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Further, look into the writings of Jack Parson's diaries.

Dude was an absolute madman.
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.

I mean if I went , I would have no reason to act weird about it, or hesitate for one second to place my hand on the bible and proclaim it happily and with confidence... those reactions are priceless.
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Some DID swear on the Bible but Sibrel doesn't like to show you those.

As for those that didn't, some refused based on religious reasons. Others knew that Sibrel was NOT a journalist but instead a convicted stalker that admitted in court he was going to call them a liar either way. Why even bother trying to work with someone like that?
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.

I mean if I went , I would have no reason to act weird about it, or hesitate for one second to place my hand on the bible and proclaim it happily and with confidence... those reactions are priceless.
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Some DID swear on the Bible but Sibrel doesn't like to show you those.

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Yeah...might wanna check which Bible. Was it the their gods Bible?
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No one's been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon. It isn't something you could land on.
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No one's been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon. It isn't something you could land on.
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Same with Mars. Stars and "planets" are lights set in the firmament dome.

Earth is a flat, stationary, enclosed realm -- not a sphere!
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Fact: rockets cannot propel in space
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There's always a troll to kill a thread.
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Kill a thread with facts?
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Why are you trying to make you being research-challenged my problem?

As I said, hoaxies are never interested in seeking out the truth, only in keeping their fake "controversy" alive.
It makes them feel special.
They are special alright...
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So that was a no providing a link to the example with resolution specifications you claim?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78109820

If you can't be bothered to find information you think is relevant why should anybody else care?

Anybody, ANYBODY, with an actual interest in Apollo knows where to find it.
You have just demonstrated the one true thing about hoaxies, they don't have clue about what they are talking about.
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So why aren't the suits used for fire rescues? hmmm.
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Hoaxies being ignorant about science and technology is of course a given.
Even low-tech forum software is to complicated fo them.
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Burden of proof is on the accuser?

NASA accuses that they landed men on the Moon, 6 times between 1969 and ~1973, and no space agency including NASA has since been able to replicate the feat!

Talk about inducing laughing fits!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

For some even the English language is to confusing.
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*sigh*
We used to have much higher quality hoaxies here.
Guess they all moved to greener pastures.
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Look at this. We get some solid information in here, and what immediately happens?

Some guy saying 'hoaxies are dumb' and some flat earth operatives.

Looks like the playbook has not been updated in a decade.

Fact. NASA has not been back for 47+ years and counting.

Fact. No other space agency has ever landed, or claimed to, a man on the Moon.

Fact. There is no manned Moon mission scheduled for the next 5 years.

Now someone will tell me "yeah, it was mankind's greatest EVER accomplishment, but its just too expensive!"

Do they realize that it is the rocket that goes up in space, and all the money spent actually stays on Earth?
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.

I mean if I went , I would have no reason to act weird about it, or hesitate for one second to place my hand on the bible and proclaim it happily and with confidence... those reactions are priceless.
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171


Some DID swear on the Bible but Sibrel doesn't like to show you those.

As for those that didn't, some refused based on religious reasons. Others knew that Sibrel was NOT a journalist but instead a convicted stalker that admitted in court he was going to call them a liar either way. Why even bother trying to work with someone like that?
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I wouldn't imagine an atheist would care one way or the other, but a believer I can see not wanting to do so... and I was speaking of the ones who would not and could be seen visibly shaking and running away.. No matter how you spin it, it doesnt look good... as did it not look good when the one he showed the section of Earth through the window , kicked him literally out of the house and then his son threatening to have him dealt with by the CIA or the like... Its been some years since I saw it but those reactions were golden

Again we look at the filmed material.. it makes little difference if you Ad hominem the messenger... that can never diminish what was filmed or explain away the human behavior of the astroz...
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Look at this. We get some solid information in here, and what immediately happens?

Some guy saying 'hoaxies are dumb' and some flat earth operatives.

Looks like the playbook has not been updated in a decade.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

*Buzzzz*

Lame attempt at Shill Gambit.
Don't be a loser and just present evidence for your claim.

Fact. NASA has not been back for 47+ years and counting.

Fact. No other space agency has ever landed, or claimed to, a man on the Moon.

Fact. There is no manned Moon mission scheduled for the next 5 years.

Now someone will tell me "yeah, it was mankind's greatest EVER accomplishment, but its just too expensive!"

Do they realize that it is the rocket that goes up in space, and all the money spent actually stays on Earth?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

And none of that has any bearing on the historical question.
It's just FUD.

Don't be a loser and just present evidence for your claim.
You not understanding that the Space Race is over is not evidence, it is just more ignorance.
And in grown-up land arguments from ignorance carry no weight.
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and I was speaking of the ones who would not and could be seen visibly shaking and running away.. No matter how you spin it, it doesnt look good...
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Did you miss the part about Sibrel being convicted for trespassing on Armstrong's property.
And got fired as a result.

People usually do not want to interact with stalkers, they can be dangerous and are always unsavoury.

You really need to learn to vet your sources.
This one isn't just an intellectual fraud but has an actual wrap sheet.
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1) The one making the claim bears the burden of providing sufficient evidence.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

The hoaxies claim that the Apollo record was faked.
This is not just a claim, this is a criminal accusation.
In many jurisdictions it would be considered felonious if anyone took it serious.

2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

That's not actually true.
All claims require sufficient evidence.

3) NASA's claim that "we went to the Moon and returned safely, six times, without a single fatality" is by far the most extraordinary claim in the history of science.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

Hardly.
It's not even a scientific claim.

It is a HISTORICAL claim.

It therefore requires a similarly monumental level of totally irrefutable evidence.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

Only madman and skepbots demand such a thing.
Normal folks are satisfied with proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Of course, nobody expects conspirasheep to be reasonable.

4) The scientist's standard of proof is independent reproducibility. Some independent party, using the same methods and apparatus, must produce the same results.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

Since is Men On The Moon is a historical claim, not a scientific claim, that is irrelevant.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, must get to the Moon and back safely using the same rocket, computer, space suits, etc.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

Nope, that's not how the Historical Method works.
You do not have to shoot a president in Dealey Plaza to prove that JFK was murdered.

5) The historian's standard of proof is independent confirmation. Some honest independent party must irrefutably verify the claim.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, and of known honesty, must verify that humans reached the Moon, walked around there, and returned safely.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

And they did.
Why are you confused/

6) The judge's standard of proof is the testimony, under oath and cross-examination, of multiple honest witnesses.

In re the "Moon landings," this means that the astronauts, engineers, and NASA executives must all testify under oath to their extraordinary claim, with cross-examination by knowledgeable skeptics.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

And now we are suddenly in a court of law?
Over a historical question?

7) NASA has not met any of these standards of proof
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And this is sheer unadulterated denialism.
You either have a cognitive disorder or you are straight-faced lying.

--not even the last, which is the simplest: Putting the astronauts, engineers, and executives under oath and submitting them to cross-examination by skeptics.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical

Why?
You have no standing.
You have no probable cause.
You have no case.

And who is going to pay for that?
Comedy Central?

It is now too late, of course--too many of them have died, including Neil Armstrong.
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It is not to late.
But the likes of you always run away when given such an opportunity.

Calling people criminals to their face takes more guts than most you can muster.
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and I was speaking of the ones who would not and could be seen visibly shaking and running away.. No matter how you spin it, it doesnt look good...
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Did you miss the part about Sibrel being convicted for trespassing on Armstrong's property.
And got fired as a result.

People usually do not want to interact with stalkers, they can be dangerous and are always unsavoury.

You really need to learn to vet your sources.
This one isn't just an intellectual fraud but has an actual wrap sheet.
book
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Investigative journalists get in these kinds of scenarios all the time...

Anyone who would challenge this juggernaut to such a degree I would not expect any less...I know as much about him personally as I do about Neil and the rest...I know what was captured on film.

If he tossed kittens into wood chippers it wouldn't change the captured interactions he had with the astroz and their behavior on camera for public consumption as a result...
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Nasa claims we don't have the technology anymore!


EXPLAIN how that makes an REAL sense?
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I would love to have seen a forward facing camera (in time lapse) from Earth to the Moon. In fact Id love to see any forward facing long span footage...
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Look at this. We get some solid information in here, and what immediately happens?

Some guy saying 'hoaxies are dumb' and some flat earth operatives.

Looks like the playbook has not been updated in a decade.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

*Buzzzz*

Lame attempt at Shill Gambit.
Don't be a loser and just present evidence for your claim.

Fact. NASA has not been back for 47+ years and counting.

Fact. No other space agency has ever landed, or claimed to, a man on the Moon.

Fact. There is no manned Moon mission scheduled for the next 5 years.

Now someone will tell me "yeah, it was mankind's greatest EVER accomplishment, but its just too expensive!"

Do they realize that it is the rocket that goes up in space, and all the money spent actually stays on Earth?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

And none of that has any bearing on the historical question.
It's just FUD.

Don't be a loser and just present evidence for your claim.
You not understanding that the Space Race is over is not evidence, it is just more ignorance.
And in grown-up land arguments from ignorance carry no weight.
book
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Evidence? I did. I said NASA hasn't replicated the feat for 47+ years, and no other space agency has managed the feat. Including the Russians, the Soviets before them, India, China, Japan, the European Space Agency, all these space agencies splitting the cost and working together...

I am not making a claim, except that NASA's claim is NOT credible, especially in hindsight. They asked two of the foremost experts, sci-fi writers, Robert Heinlein and Arthur C Clarke, what would come next, after the Apollo 11 landing.

They said it would be WORLD PEACE and then... A space elevator! I shit you not. This was in July, 1969, on CBS I believe.

Instead of a space elevator, we can't even do what we did 'easily' 6 times, 50 years ago! And I am supposed to PROVE that NASA made outlandish claims?

Ultimately, the only thing that can prove there were men on the Moon is the footage. And the footage never gets referenced, people always want to talk about 'scientific evidence' and Moon rocks and '3rd party verification', but never the footage!

The actual footage of astronauts on the Moon! Why not?

I will ask a question here. Was it possible to film a fake manned Moon landing, in 1969? Yes or no? Who could have filmed, directed, and produced such an effort, if so?
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I would love to have seen a forward facing camera (in time lapse) from Earth to the Moon. In fact Id love to see any forward facing long span footage...
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Best bet is probably some of the Ranger or Surveyor footage.

Of course those don't prove that a MAN landed on the Moon...
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#7 reminded me of when the Astroz were asked to place their hand on the Bible and swear they went to the moon... their reaction to that was pretty interesting. It was wild how each avoided that request like the plaque...even running away at times.

I mean if I went , I would have no reason to act weird about it, or hesitate for one second to place my hand on the bible and proclaim it happily and with confidence... those reactions are priceless.
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Some DID swear on the Bible but Sibrel doesn't like to show you those.

As for those that didn't, some refused based on religious reasons. Others knew that Sibrel was NOT a journalist but instead a convicted stalker that admitted in court he was going to call them a liar either way. Why even bother trying to work with someone like that?
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Your words mean nothing in light of the time and information preset!

Good day sir!
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Did you miss the part about Sibrel being convicted for trespassing on Armstrong's property.
And got fired as a result.

People usually do not want to interact with stalkers, they can be dangerous and are always unsavoury.

You really need to learn to vet your sources.
This one isn't just an intellectual fraud but has an actual wrap sheet.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Investigative journalists get in these kinds of scenarios all the time...
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171

Sibrel is not an investigative journalist.
That would require actual investigations, NOT fabricating evidence.
Sibrel is a fraud.

Also, investigative journalists get arrested for criminal tresspass all time?
Investigative journalists get arrested for malicious vandalism all time?
Investigative journalists barely stay out of prison for poking an old guy with a book all time?

I know as much about him personally as I do about Neil and the rest...
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171

Maybe you should fix that lacuna so you get some perspective.

If he tossed kittens into wood chippers it wouldn't change the captured interactions he had with the astroz and their behavior on camera for public consumption as a result...
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171

So you failed to notice that Sibrel went out of his way to set up these antagonistic encounters to get the footage he wanted, and will never show you anything else?

What a good wittle gullible conspirasheep you are.

This is all psychobabble anyway.

How do you intend to deal with mountains of hard physical evidence that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Men landed on the Moon?
For some reason hoaxies keep avoiding that.

I would love to have seen a forward facing camera (in time lapse) from Earth to the Moon. In fact Id love to see any forward facing long span footage...
 Quoting: Florida Stevii 76792171

Write a proposal.
Send money.

There are quite a lot of photographs though.
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Nasa claims we don't have the technology anymore!
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Technology as in hardware.
Nobody makes Saturn Vs anymore.
Heck, nobody makes Space Shuttles anymore.

EXPLAIN how that makes an REAL sense?
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If you don't use it you lose it.

Anyone who wishes to discuss the history of astronautics should also study the political context.
It makes little sense without it.
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It will be interesting to see in the next few years what will happen with SpaceX "Dear Moon" project. Will it actually happen?

Will SpaceX be allowed to take random people on a tour around the Moon? Or will some gov't regulations or other issue prevent it from happening?
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Are you daft? Nothing prevents us from going into space except the death part.

A in, NOBODY can yet survive deep space RADIATION!

As in, no space flight IN YOUR LIFETIME! We need non metallic shielding.

So no! No space flights for the war monkeys!
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It will be interesting to see in the next few years what will happen with SpaceX "Dear Moon" project. Will it actually happen?

Will SpaceX be allowed to take random people on a tour around the Moon? Or will some gov't regulations or other issue prevent it from happening?
 Quoting: Neil WeakLegs 77365971


Are you daft? Nothing prevents us from going into space except the death part.

A in, NOBODY can yet survive deep space RADIATION!

As in, no space flight IN YOUR LIFETIME! We need non metallic shielding.

So no! No space flights for the war monkeys!
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The halcyon has been discredited so often he can’t be a human.

No one who really looks into it still believes the lie.


No one without a paycheck to lose!
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The halcyon has been discredited so often he can’t be a human.

No one who really looks into it still believes the lie.


No one without a paycheck to lose!
 Quoting: Anonymous Loser 74390592

LOL

And another loser to retarded to understand that the Shill Gambit is a dead give away that YOU KNOW can't prove anything.

Why are you such a loser, loser?
Why can't you prove anything, loser?
Why hasn't any of you losers proven anything in half a century?

You really think you're making an impression on the peanut gallery with your though talk?
Do you really think they didn't notice that you are an idiot?

Go fool the other one, loser.
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Don't be a loser and just present evidence for your claim.
You not understanding that the Space Race is over is not evidence, it is just more ignorance.
And in grown-up land arguments from ignorance carry no weight.
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Evidence? I did.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

Oh. Hoaxie "evidence."

I said NASA hasn't replicated the feat for 47+ years, and no other space agency has managed the feat. Including the Russians, the Soviets before them, India, China, Japan, the European Space Agency, all these space agencies splitting the cost and working together...
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

So?

This implies that you believe that every space agency has a desperate overwhelming need to send humans to the Moon.
Why the hell would you think that?
Apollo wasn't even really about sending humans to the Moon, it was about defeating the Soviets at their own game.

The Cold War is over, the circumstances that conspired to make Apollo a national emergency programme will never repeat.

I am not making a claim
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

Suuuure...


except that NASA's claim is NOT credible, especially in hindsight.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

According to some snot-nosed ignoramus-on-the-internet?
Why should we care?


They asked two of the foremost experts, sci-fi writers, Robert Heinlein and Arthur C Clarke, what would come next, after the Apollo 11 landing.
They said it would be WORLD PEACE and then... A space elevator! I shit you not. This was in July, 1969, on CBS I believe.
Instead of a space elevator, we can't even do what we did 'easily' 6 times, 50 years ago!
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

SF writers are not experts on space politics.
They also tend to be overly optimistic.

In case you haven't notices we are not living inside a 1950s SF novel.
Real world constrains made that impossible.

And I am supposed to PROVE that NASA made outlandish claims?
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

Nobody who actually knows what NASA's claims are, and is intellectually equipped to asses them seems to think so.
It is just you, and those other snot-noses, and you do have to make a case.

"I don't understand something" is just an admission of ignorance.
It can't prove anything.

Ultimately, the only thing that can prove there were men on the Moon is the footage.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

What's this obsession kOOks have with pictures?
MTV generation?
Is it because the pictures is the only thing you actually know about?
Is it because you want to ignore all the physical evidence you can't deal with?
Is it because you've psyched yourself into believing that forensic analysis of images does not require professional expertise?

Throw out the complete audiovisual record due to mishap and the historicity of Apollo would still be proven beyond any reasonable doubt anyway.
As befitting a hoaxie you are simple unaware of just how much evidence there is.

And the footage never gets referenced, people always want to talk about 'scientific evidence' and Moon rocks and '3rd party verification', but never the footage!
The actual footage of astronauts on the Moon! Why not?
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

What are you even talking about?
We've discussed it hundreds of times.

Are you new to this?

I will ask a question here. Was it possible to film a fake manned Moon landing, in 1969? Yes or no?
Who could have filmed, directed, and produced such an effort, if so?
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 47752129

The question should of course be: could the audiovisual record AS IT EXISTS be faked?
Experts say no.

Also, could is not evidence of is.
I could be the Boston Strangler.
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No one's been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon. It isn't something you could land on.
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Shut it dumbass that’s your crazy shit there.
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