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Moon Landing hoax? Debunking the Debunkers?

 
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Look at how many astronauts died, immediately prior to the Apollo Program.
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Look at how many didn't die once Richard Nixon took over: none! Richard Nixon prioritized politics above all else, including truth. Nixon, and NASA, simply could not afford to risk any further deaths in the space program, for fear that Nixon would lose re-election and NASA would lose funding from Congress.

The perfect answer was to sell a simulation as the real thing.

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Only one problem: he is right and you are wrong. The “moon hoax” story is completely false and debunked over and over with minimal research. We landed men on the moon. You can see their footprints from satellites.

I know you have a lot invested emotionally in the idea of the hoax, and I know you really want it to be true. It’s hard to admit you have been wrong all this time, but deep down you know you are wrong. Man up and let it go.
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Hehe, "see footprints from satellites."
No, you cant.

The fake history of using laser-beam as evidence, with recflections from an alleged reflector placed there is of course something many believes.
They dont know that a laserbeam will hit the moon as a circle of 6 km size. And a tiny tiny fragment of that light is what must reflect back to earth and make another huge cirle.

You are brainwashed - thats for sure.
But you are not alone.

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Moon trips never happened.

The globe cult extraordinary claim of a spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum requires extraordinary evidence.

Occam's razor problem-solving principle simplest solution tends to be the right one. Which is more plausible going many directions millions of miles per hour at the same time or not moving at all?

There is no observable Earth physical curvature so, not concave convex or a ball, must be something else, that something else is called Flat Earth.
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Only one problem: he is right and you are wrong. The “moon hoax” story is completely false and debunked over and over with minimal research. We landed men on the moon. You can see their footprints from satellites.

I know you have a lot invested emotionally in the idea of the hoax, and I know you really want it to be true. It’s hard to admit you have been wrong all this time, but deep down you know you are wrong. Man up and let it go.
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Hehe, "see footprints from satellites."
No, you cant.

The fake history of using laser-beam as evidence, with recflections from an alleged reflector placed there is of course something many believes.
They dont know that a laserbeam will hit the moon as a circle of 6 km size. And a tiny tiny fragment of that light is what must reflect back to earth and make another huge cirle.

You are brainwashed - thats for sure.
But you are not alone.
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It is well know that the laser beam spreads out. That is why you need a reflector to get a good signal back.

However, the Soviets placed their reflector on the Moon using an unmanned lander, so having a reflector on the Moon does not mean that it was hand delivered by astronauts.
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Moon trips never happened.

The globe cult extraordinary claim of a spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum requires extraordinary evidence.

Occam's razor problem-solving principle simplest solution tends to be the right one. Which is more plausible going many directions millions of miles per hour at the same time or not moving at all?

There is no observable Earth physical curvature so, not concave convex or a ball, must be something else, that something else is called Flat Earth.
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There is curvature. Get off of YouTube.
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Silly logic.
A reflector is needed to reflect light, whether its spread out or not. The reflectors "used" is of a type reflecting back from where it came, without need to have exectly 90 degr angle on the beam.

The reflectors function is to prove something is placed on the moon, but its not there. Just intelligent fantasy, because most people buys whatever says on TV, especially when its supplied by fake photos in books and movies.

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Badastronomy is a die hard right winger
fully supporting government inspired science
.
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But supporting government propaganda would make him a Lefty.

They buy into all the lies, global warming, over population, a baby is the woman’s body, sphere earth.

You have it backwards.
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Badastronomy is a die hard right winger
fully supporting government inspired science
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114992


But supporting government propaganda would make him a Lefty.

They buy into all the lies, global warming, over population, a baby is the woman’s body, sphere earth.

You have it backwards.
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Flat Earth is gov't propaganda, promoted by the C-eye-A to discredit conspiracy theories.
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Imagine... The first man climbs Everest. 5 other expeditions manage it in the next 3 years. Then no one is capable of replicating the feat for 50 years.

Imagine... The first man to sail the Atlantic accomplishes the feat, shows you paintings of what it looked like. 5 other expeditions manage it in the next 3 years. Then no one is capable of replicating it for 50 years.

Imagine... The first solo airplane flight over the vast oceans. 5 times, it is replicated, but then for 50 years, no one can manage it. Its too expensive! We've already done it! Everyone knows we did it, we can see the airstrip where they landed, from space!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

First successful expedition to the South Pole in 1911.
Second successful expedition (using aircraft) to the South Pole in 1956, 47 years later.

First successful expedition to the Challenger Deep in 1960.
Second successful expedition to the Challenger Deep in 2012, 45 years later.

Some things are just very hard and costly to do.

When will we go 'back'? That is my only question. When?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

When it will be politically expedient to do so.

Yeah, its not NASA that has to prove they landed a man on the Moon, it is up to skeptics to prove they didn't! RIGHT!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Since NASA has already proven that the send men to the surface of the Moon, and the hoaxies claim that the fast amount of evidence that proves so has all been faked, of course they fucking do.

All rational grown-ups know that the accuser has the burden of proof.

You not knowing what most of the evidence for Apollo actually is makes that a lot harder for you, but why should that be our problem.
YOU are the one who claims it was faked, so get on with it and prove it was.

Gus Grissom was supposed to be the first man on the Moon. But he wasn't happy with the quality of the Apollo Program, i.e. command module and lunar ascent vehicle, at all.

Famously put the ole LEMON in the window.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Of the simulator, you moron.

Clearly you get all your Apollo "facts" from idiots and liars and trolls

What they don't tell ya is that America transferred BILLIONS to the Soviet Union in the few years after Apollo, to keep quiet!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Which of course you can't prove.
Hoaxies never can prove anything.

It also raises the question that since the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore and practically anybody who would have been involved is dead WHY would they keep it a secret?
Would make a brilliant propaganda coup.
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wheat was the sweetener to shut Russia up
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Pray tell, how did the Soviet Union, which was having record harvests during the late 60s, know in advance that would want to import wheat at international market prices in the late 70s to boost their beef production?

Did they have a time machine?
book


Dear Tard,

You are one of about 8 people in this site who still believe the moon hoax.

Time to crawl out of moms basement and realize there’s a world out there.

Thread: Was the moon landing faked? Poll
 Quoting: Fake Halcyon Dayz

Argumentum ad populum.

Have you ever tried to make a post without any logical fallacies?
book


However, the Soviets placed their reflector on the Moon using an unmanned lander, so having a reflector on the Moon does not mean that it was hand delivered by astronauts.
 Quoting: Neil WeakLegs 77861075

It means that tere are retroflectors on the surface of the Moon exactly where NASA said the put them.
They have provided ample documentation on how they put them there.

If YOU claim that the documentation was faked and they got there by other means than YOU will have to prove so.
So far no hoaxie has even been able to propose a method that doesn't rely on magic.

Flat Earth is gov't propaganda, promoted by the C-eye-A to discredit conspiracy theories.
 Quoting: Neil WeakLegs 77861075

Sounds superfluous.
Most CTs are self-discrediting.
book
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Imagine... The first man climbs Everest. 5 other expeditions manage it in the next 3 years. Then no one is capable of replicating the feat for 50 years.

Imagine... The first man to sail the Atlantic accomplishes the feat, shows you paintings of what it looked like. 5 other expeditions manage it in the next 3 years. Then no one is capable of replicating it for 50 years.

Imagine... The first solo airplane flight over the vast oceans. 5 times, it is replicated, but then for 50 years, no one can manage it. Its too expensive! We've already done it! Everyone knows we did it, we can see the airstrip where they landed, from space!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

First successful expedition to the South Pole in 1911.
Second successful expedition (using aircraft) to the South Pole in 1956, 47 years later.

First successful expedition to the Challenger Deep in 1960.
Second successful expedition to the Challenger Deep in 2012, 45 years later.

Some things are just very hard and costly to do.

When will we go 'back'? That is my only question. When?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

When it will be politically expedient to do so.

Yeah, its not NASA that has to prove they landed a man on the Moon, it is up to skeptics to prove they didn't! RIGHT!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Since NASA has already proven that the send men to the surface of the Moon, and the hoaxies claim that the fast amount of evidence that proves so has all been faked, of course they fucking do.

All rational grown-ups know that the accuser has the burden of proof.

You not knowing what most of the evidence for Apollo actually is makes that a lot harder for you, but why should that be our problem.
YOU are the one who claims it was faked, so get on with it and prove it was.

Gus Grissom was supposed to be the first man on the Moon. But he wasn't happy with the quality of the Apollo Program, i.e. command module and lunar ascent vehicle, at all.

Famously put the ole LEMON in the window.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Of the simulator, you moron.

Clearly you get all your Apollo "facts" from idiots and liars and trolls

What they don't tell ya is that America transferred BILLIONS to the Soviet Union in the few years after Apollo, to keep quiet!
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Which of course you can't prove.
Hoaxies never can prove anything.

It also raises the question that since the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore and practically anybody who would have been involved is dead WHY would they keep it a secret?
Would make a brilliant propaganda coup.
book


wheat was the sweetener to shut Russia up
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Pray tell, how did the Soviet Union, which was having record harvests during the late 60s, know in advance that would want to import wheat at international market prices in the late 70s to boost their beef production?

Did they have a time machine?
book


Dear Tard,

You are one of about 8 people in this site who still believe the moon hoax.

Time to crawl out of moms basement and realize there’s a world out there.

Thread: Was the moon landing faked? Poll
 Quoting: Fake Halcyon Dayz

Argumentum ad populum.

Have you ever tried to make a post without any logical fallacies?
book


However, the Soviets placed their reflector on the Moon using an unmanned lander, so having a reflector on the Moon does not mean that it was hand delivered by astronauts.
 Quoting: Neil WeakLegs 77861075

It means that tere are retroflectors on the surface of the Moon exactly where NASA said the put them.
They have provided ample documentation on how they put them there.

If YOU claim that the documentation was faked and they got there by other means than YOU will have to prove so.
So far no hoaxie has even been able to propose a method that doesn't rely on magic.

Flat Earth is gov't propaganda, promoted by the C-eye-A to discredit conspiracy theories.
 Quoting: Neil WeakLegs 77861075

Sounds superfluous.
Most CTs are self-discrediting.
book
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NASA never proved they went to the moon. You just put your faith in man where others who can discern truth put their faith in God.

I’m not saying you don’t believe there is a God. I’m saying your faith is not in God As much as it is man.
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Notice how you qualify things. South Pole instead of Antarctica. Challenger Deep specifically instead of the deepest depths of the ocean.

Then notice a CRUCIAL second fact, that somehow you missed. Those things WERE repeated. The Apollo Program has NOT been repeated, 50 years and counting. So yeah, it took a while for it to be replicated, but it happened.

So when will Apollo be replicated? (and 'when there is the political will' is not an answer)

You make it sound like the technology exists, it is just expensive. Then tell me, what heavy lifter rocket will they use (if it was 'politically expedient' to go TODAY)?

The 'we could go if we wanted' argument is so ridiculous. It is not even worth responding to, but it gets used so often by Apollo Diehards.

Saying that people don't believe in the veracity of the Apollo Program aren't 'rational adults', again, is not an argument. Not worth responding to.

You always talk about 'all the Apollo evidence', and yet you never mention or produce any of it. What is this evidence? Lunar meteorites? Videos and photos from the lunar surface?

As for the Russians, you must not be aware that they CONSTANTLY joke about Apollo having been a hoax. Can they PROVE it? No, probably not, so all they can do is raise awareness of the missions' discrepancies, same as we are doing.

Consider how quickly NASA went from sending unmanned probes (that didn't have to return to Earth or re-enter the atmosphere safely) to sending astronauts. And yet NO OTHER country has been able to replicate it, even though they too have successfully sent unmanned probes? OK bro....
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

NASA never proved they went to the moon.
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According to some snotnose-on-the-internet who doesn't even know what the evidence is?
Post-trutherism at its finest.
book


So when will Apollo be replicated?
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Never, of course.
What would be the point of sending two people to the surface of the Moon for a few days with outdated hardware.
If the US ever returns to the Moon it will be more people for much longer durations using modern, safer, more cost-effective hardware.

I very much doubt the US will fully commit to return to the Moon before some Chinese taikonaut walks on the Moon.
And even then, the US being more politically dysfunctional than it has ever been post-ACW.

The 'we could go if we wanted' argument is so ridiculous. It is not even worth responding to, but it gets used so often by Apollo Diehards.
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How do you intent to prove it is wrong though.
People not doing something doesn't mean they can't.
There are many things one could do, but time and resource constrains will only ever allow you to do some of them.
That's why people prioritise.

Unlike you most people don't have a fetish with putting people on the Moon.
It would be nice to have, but it is not going to be a priority for most.

Saying that people don't believe in the veracity of the Apollo Program aren't 'rational adults', again, is not an argument. Not worth responding to.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Yet you do.
And yet you aren't.

Prove me wrong.

You always talk about 'all the Apollo evidence', and yet you never mention or produce any of it. What is this evidence?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Why don't you know?

You are arguing that the Apollo evidence was all faked.
Yet you don't even know what the Apollo evidence is.
IOW you pulled your claim out of where the sun don't shine.

As for the Russians, you must not be aware that they CONSTANTLY joke about Apollo having been a hoax.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

They're Russians. Of course they joke about not actually having lost the Space Race.

Consider how quickly NASA went from sending unmanned probes (that didn't have to return to Earth or re-enter the atmosphere safely) to sending astronauts. And yet NO OTHER country has been able to replicate it, even though they too have successfully sent unmanned probes? OK bro....
book book book
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Your hidden, unexamined, and unproven premise here is that everybody just MUST HAVE an insatiable desire to put people on the Moon, what ever the opportunity costs.
Just another claim you can't ever hope proving.
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Who Controls the Moon Controls the Earth (1958)
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Total bs that nasa thinks there is no reason for anyone to go back to the moon.

If any country could they would Not only for military strategic reasons, but for mining, scientific etc..

The fact that only Apollo ever took people out of earth orbit and that was 50 years ago alone proves it was a hoax. Every other achievement (crossing the atlantic, climbing everest, low earth orbit, satellites etc has been repeated. All of the major magazines, papers and journals during this time were predicting Lunar holidays and moon bases by the end of the century. What happened? Are you really trying to say that we just can't replicate that darn 1960's technology?
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There are still people who believe NASA landed men on the moon in 69?
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I guess if there's people that believe the earth is flat nd trump is republican conservative nationalist, there are people who will buy into any .gov disinformation psyop.


As for the moon landing horseshit, I was sure I debunked that bs years ago, but carry on.


Not going to fall for this bait when we have a big
ole fat orange goose to cook.
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Who Controls the Moon Controls the Earth (1958)
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Total bs that nasa thinks there is no reason for anyone to go back to the moon.

If any country could they would Not only for military strategic reasons, but for mining, scientific etc..

The fact that only Apollo ever took people out of earth orbit and that was 50 years ago alone proves it was a hoax. Every other achievement (crossing the atlantic, climbing everest, low earth orbit, satellites etc has been repeated. All of the major magazines, papers and journals during this time were predicting Lunar holidays and moon bases by the end of the century. What happened? Are you really trying to say that we just can't replicate that darn 1960's technology?
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Maybe certain factions of the Military Industrial Complex have been to the Moon many times, but they just don't bother to inform the taxpayers, and continue to sell outdated jet and rocket technology to keep the money pouring in?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

NASA never proved they went to the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77506855

According to some snotnose-on-the-internet who doesn't even know what the evidence is?
Post-trutherism at its finest.
book


So when will Apollo be replicated?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Never, of course.
What would be the point of sending two people to the surface of the Moon for a few days with outdated hardware.
If the US ever returns to the Moon it will be more people for much longer durations using modern, safer, more cost-effective hardware.

I very much doubt the US will fully commit to return to the Moon before some Chinese taikonaut walks on the Moon.
And even then, the US being more politically dysfunctional than it has ever been post-ACW.

The 'we could go if we wanted' argument is so ridiculous. It is not even worth responding to, but it gets used so often by Apollo Diehards.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

How do you intent to prove it is wrong though.
People not doing something doesn't mean they can't.
There are many things one could do, but time and resource constrains will only ever allow you to do some of them.
That's why people prioritise.

Unlike you most people don't have a fetish with putting people on the Moon.
It would be nice to have, but it is not going to be a priority for most.

Saying that people don't believe in the veracity of the Apollo Program aren't 'rational adults', again, is not an argument. Not worth responding to.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Yet you do.
And yet you aren't.

Prove me wrong.

You always talk about 'all the Apollo evidence', and yet you never mention or produce any of it. What is this evidence?
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Why don't you know?

You are arguing that the Apollo evidence was all faked.
Yet you don't even know what the Apollo evidence is.
IOW you pulled your claim out of where the sun don't shine.

As for the Russians, you must not be aware that they CONSTANTLY joke about Apollo having been a hoax.
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

They're Russians. Of course they joke about not actually having lost the Space Race.

Consider how quickly NASA went from sending unmanned probes (that didn't have to return to Earth or re-enter the atmosphere safely) to sending astronauts. And yet NO OTHER country has been able to replicate it, even though they too have successfully sent unmanned probes? OK bro....
book book book
 Quoting: Canatard 47752129

Your hidden, unexamined, and unproven premise here is that everybody just MUST HAVE an insatiable desire to put people on the Moon, what ever the opportunity costs.
Just another claim you can't ever hope proving.
book
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I guess Thanksgiving break at the shill lab is over. Back to shillin huh? How was your break? Hopefully you improved on your horrible shill skills.

P.S. Did you get out of mom’s basement or did they just throw the turkey down the steps??

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I always say, you know, there are six missions (Apollo 13 obviously didn't land on the Moon, nor was it ever claimed that it did). It should be easy to show in all that footage EVIDENCE of 1/6th lunar gravity.

And I don't mean some hammer and feather 'experiment' (which you could probably do on Earth simply by wetting or weighing the feather).

I mean vertical leap. I mean feats of strength.

I would be SO tempted to do a backflip on the Moon. And obviously have my partner spot me, so I don't land on my head or backpack.

But it should be easy. Plus, you, the astronaut and your suit would only weigh the equivalent of what, 60 pounds up there? What do you guys do with your young nieces and nephews? Struggle to catch them or hold them up? Of course not.
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it was made of metal
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First successful expedition to the South Pole in 1911.
Second successful expedition (using aircraft) to the South Pole in 1956, 47 years later.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

False. Robert Scott reached the South Pole shortly after Amundsen. Scott died on the return trip.
First successful expedition to the Challenger Deep in 1960.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

False. The account of the Trieste dive makes no sense (e.g., seeing sole and flounder swimming at a depth of 35,000 feet) and is clearly spurious. The very fact that the Trieste never repeated the dive, but was instead quickly scrapped, suggests a hoax.
Since NASA has already proven that the send men to the surface of the Moon
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Circular "logic"--i.e., idiocy. Extraordinary claims require an extraordinary level of evidence (i.e., proof); and NASA's claim to have sent men to the Moon and back (six times!) is by far the most extraordinary claim in the history of science. Only the most overwhelming and obvious proof is acceptable in such a matter.
It also raises the question that since the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore and practically anybody who would have been involved is dead WHY would they keep it a secret?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the government of Boris Yeltsin briefly attempted to bring up the subject of the "Moon landing" hoax, but was quickly shushed by all sides, for the obvious reason: At that point, truth was not in anyone's self-interest. Yeltsin was trying to make friends, not enemies.
Would make a brilliant propaganda coup.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Putin may yet reveal the truth, but right now he prefers to use all such secrets as blackmail instead--just as the Soviet Union did. Besides, Putin himself may not have sufficent evidence to prove the hoax. Ironically, both polarized halves of our nation would believe the American government over the Russian: Trump supporters would believe Trump, and anti-Trumpers would disbelieve Putin.
It means that tere are retroflectors on the surface of the Moon exactly where NASA said the put them.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

False. In the 1990s, researchers asked NASA for exact coordinates of all the "landings" on the Moon. To their surprise, NASA didn't have them! NASA, by its own admission, had not bothered to record exactly where their craft landed!

NASA eventually used backward logic, telling the researchers that wherever they observed a "reflector" (artificial or natural), that must be an Apollo site.

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Total bs that nasa thinks there is no reason for anyone to go back to the moon.

If any country could they would Not only for military strategic reasons, but for mining, scientific etc..

The fact that only Apollo ever took people out of earth orbit and that was 50 years ago alone proves it was a hoax. Every other achievement (crossing the atlantic, climbing everest, low earth orbit, satellites etc has been repeated. All of the major magazines, papers and journals during this time were predicting Lunar holidays and moon bases by the end of the century. What happened? Are you really trying to say that we just can't replicate that darn 1960's technology?
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Maybe certain factions of the Military Industrial Complex have been to the Moon many times, but they just don't bother to inform the taxpayers, and continue to sell outdated jet and rocket technology to keep the money pouring in?
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yeah I don't buy into that secret space program stuff, no evidence, and besides that, it has been mil strategy for thousands of years to convince your enemies that you have more crazy magic spectacular weapons etc, it scares your enemy.

Usually the simplest explanation is the right one.
And in this case, that wasn't jumping from failed rocket launches and lemons to a half million mile, slingshotting , flawless cowboy moon romp
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blah blah blah blah blah

Your hidden, unexamined, and unproven premise here is that everybody just MUST HAVE an insatiable desire to put people on the Moon, what ever the opportunity costs.
Just another claim you can't ever hope proving.
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I know what the AVAILABLE evidence is, and it doesn't prove NASA landed men on the Moon! That is why I am asking you for the evidence that DOES prove it.

Notice how Halcyon wants to talk about anything EXCEPT NASA and Apollo? Ad hominems, sure. Talk about how going back to the Moon is easy but expensive, unimportant but Mankind's greatest ever accomplishment!

Did you mention which HEAVY LIFT rocket would be used, if a manned mission to the Moon was launched today? No. Of course you didn't.

Apollo was a psy-op, a distraction, in the midst of not only the Space Race, and the Cold War, but ALSO the Vietnam War! They usually told people about atrocities committed by the military a week or two before Apollo missions!

Same as with closing the Gold Window! Happened right after Apollo 15!

Will Halcyon Dayz ever tell you something interesting like that? Nope.

Was putting a man on the Moon Mankind's greatest ever accomplishment, in your book, Halcyon Dayz, yes or no?
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Total bs that nasa thinks there is no reason for anyone to go back to the moon.

If any country could they would Not only for military strategic reasons, but for mining, scientific etc..

The fact that only Apollo ever took people out of earth orbit and that was 50 years ago alone proves it was a hoax. Every other achievement (crossing the atlantic, climbing everest, low earth orbit, satellites etc has been repeated. All of the major magazines, papers and journals during this time were predicting Lunar holidays and moon bases by the end of the century. What happened? Are you really trying to say that we just can't replicate that darn 1960's technology?
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Maybe certain factions of the Military Industrial Complex have been to the Moon many times, but they just don't bother to inform the taxpayers, and continue to sell outdated jet and rocket technology to keep the money pouring in?
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yeah I don't buy into that secret space program stuff, no evidence, and besides that, it has been mil strategy for thousands of years to convince your enemies that you have more crazy magic spectacular weapons etc, it scares your enemy.

Usually the simplest explanation is the right one.
And in this case, that wasn't jumping from failed rocket launches and lemons to a half million mile, slingshotting , flawless cowboy moon romp
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I think that a good case for some kind of secret space program can be made, but not the Corey Goode fantasies.

Apollo, with its rocket technology, is dubious, but that does not mean that there is not a different type of more reliable technology available to the MIC.
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Using these equations solve for delivering a dune buggy and 3 men and returning the men alive.
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It is one thing to calculate how much thrust an engine has to deliver, and another thing entirely to develop such an engine. And that can do it as sea level as well as in a vacuum/thin upper atmosphere!

Same thing with fuel. It is one thing to say "we have to deliver X units of fuel to the engine per second" and another thing to design a MASSIVE TANK that will deliver that fuel DOWN TO THE MILLIMETRE and MILLISECOND.

The Saturn rockets actually had this problem, the fuel would surge (on the millisecond scale) but this would result in uneven thrust, inducing vibrations into the rocket, and for the astronauts it was said to have felt akin to a 'atomic powered Pogo stick', hence the name for the phenomenon, POGO oscillations.
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It is one thing to calculate how much thrust an engine has to deliver, and another thing entirely to develop such an engine. And that can do it as sea level as well as in a vacuum/thin upper atmosphere!

Same thing with fuel. It is one thing to say "we have to deliver X units of fuel to the engine per second" and another thing to design a MASSIVE TANK that will deliver that fuel DOWN TO THE MILLIMETRE and MILLISECOND.

The Saturn rockets actually had this problem, the fuel would surge (on the millisecond scale) but this would result in uneven thrust, inducing vibrations into the rocket, and for the astronauts it was said to have felt akin to a 'atomic powered Pogo stick', hence the name for the phenomenon, POGO oscillations.
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They used kerosene for fuel in the first stage and the incomplete combustion put on a hell of a show for the cameras. The engines that powered it never reached their full design potential because they didn't have computer technology advanced enough to control them and the vibrations shook anything attached to them apart.

In the end the obstacle was not the machinery to reach and return to the moon itself, but the inability to keep anything alive on such a trip. the Apollo spacecraft was totally incapable of such a feat, astronauts would have died shortly after the trans lunar injection burn.

The Russians laugh at us for believing it, btw, I likened it to the legend of Davy Crockett killing a bear bare handed when he was five, when we know the real story of Davy Crockett turned out to be one of defeat and ultimately shame.
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Using these equations solve for delivering a dune buggy and 3 men and returning the men alive.
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It had been proved using strict adherence to scientific protocol and NASA's own provided data that the Lem ascent stage could not have reached the necessary velocity orbital velocity to rendezvous with the orbiting command/service module as early as 1971.

the diameter of those spherical tanks[very easy to calculate the volume of a sphere] changed three times in the past 45 years to dimensions that were provably impossible.

All of the video and photographs can be picked apart and are easily discernible as faked composites, the kids these days will tell you it is "photo shopped" because they are used to seeing and critically analyzing much more sophisticated versions of the same techniques.
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blah blah blah blah blah

Your hidden, unexamined, and unproven premise here is that everybody just MUST HAVE an insatiable desire to put people on the Moon, what ever the opportunity costs.
Just another claim you can't ever hope proving.
book
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I know what the AVAILABLE evidence is, and it doesn't prove NASA landed men on the Moon! That is why I am asking you for the evidence that DOES prove it.

Notice how Halcyon wants to talk about anything EXCEPT NASA and Apollo? Ad hominems, sure. Talk about how going back to the Moon is easy but expensive, unimportant but Mankind's greatest ever accomplishment!

Did you mention which HEAVY LIFT rocket would be used, if a manned mission to the Moon was launched today? No. Of course you didn't.

Apollo was a psy-op, a distraction, in the midst of not only the Space Race, and the Cold War, but ALSO the Vietnam War! They usually told people about atrocities committed by the military a week or two before Apollo missions!

Same as with closing the Gold Window! Happened right after Apollo 15!

Will Halcyon Dayz ever tell you something interesting like that? Nope.

Was putting a man on the Moon Mankind's greatest ever accomplishment, in your book, Halcyon Dayz, yes or no?
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There is all kinds of evidence provided by NASA that "proves" the moon landing was real, the only problem is none of it actually does.

Every individual piece of evidence can be explained logically without the need of an actually manned landing on the moon.

When you have bet, betting on "unlikely" or "very difficult" over impossible is always a winner





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