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Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?

 
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Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Does love and joy come gradually?

Ahhh, and 'who' or 'what' is EXPERIENCING those emotions?

Does 'who' or 'what' evolve?


If you assume everything came from evolution, then you need to give an answer for where the non-physical things came from!
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Nice. ;)

But don't bother with 'em for too long.
Most of 'em are blind(ed) fools.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Impossible to answer scientifically. Science by its very nature can't understand things like emotion. Qualia is ineffable. Science only cares about things that can be measured and observed by other people. Emotion is one of those things that only YOU can observe and feel.

It's like asking scientists to explain why red looks red. Or why a universe can even exist, when we know matter can not be created out of nothing.

Consciousness is a singularity. Infinite.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotions "evolved" because mammals are complex, and have a loge "childhood".
So mama needs to hang around, and papa needs to hang around to help.
Mammals are the only creatures that have emotions.
marsupials, a branch of mammals also.
Emotions are a combination of hormones and inbred
programming.
You "brain" feels it.
If you have one
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
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Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes
that his version of the "truth" is the real one,
including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotions "evolved" because mammals are complex, and have a loge "childhood".
So mama needs to hang around, and papa needs to hang around to help.
Mammals are the only creatures that have emotions.
marsupials, a branch of mammals also.
Emotions are a combination of hormones and inbred
programming.
You "brain" feels it.
If you have one
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Are YOU your brain?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes
that his version of the "truth" is the real one,
including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up
 Quoting: bvndy


And what's your truth? And who mentioned anything about a 'sky god'. I only asked a question, and I guess you realized the alternative, didn't you?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
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Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
All sentient beings have some degree of emotion. It has been selected for since it helps the creature survive.

Fear is an obvious emotion that may protect the animal, fish, bird, etc. so it may survive long enough to reproduce.

Aggression is helpful to many creatures, especially when melded with some degree of judgement. Attack smaller animals but don't bite off more than you can chew and risk getting injured.

Altruism is helpful when sharing with the pack or with some other species that may reciprocate.

Anger and submission may win the day or allow a creature to live another day.

Parents of many species have an emotional bond with their offspring. This has furthered the chance of survivial of the young so they may achieve the maturity to reproduce.

I am sure that you can come up with many more if you observe all sentient beings. These all are successful emotional behaviors that allow creatures to live long enough to reproduce and pass their genes on to future generations.

Last Edited by dogman17 on 05/25/2015 01:01 PM
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
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This strange but beautiful creature emerged from the slime called "woman".
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes
that his version of the "truth" is the real one,
including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up
 Quoting: bvndy

God is not in the sky. It is a human visualization trick. Ever hear of Flatland? Google it. If we were looking at a 2D universe, we would be observing it literally from "above". The 2D beings would have no concept of "above", but we would be seeing their entire universe from what we call the sky. We would be Gods to them.

Our universe is 3D spatially. God is observing us from a higher dimension. He is not "above", he is in the higher dimensional equivalent of above. We just don't have a word for direction in that dimension.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience.

How did this experience begin in nature?

There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
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Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power?
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It's a combination of instinct and upbringing.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
the nervous system and eventually the mind evolved to respond to stimuli in the environment in a way to maximize reproductive capacity

the drives to obtain food, sex, avoid being hurt are those response patterns which emerged in primitive life forms.

having reached a level of complexity where we have a sense of self and our own internal state we experience those drives as emotions, avoidance of harm is fear, food and sex as pleasure

feelings of empathy are probably a reflection of the drive in the primitive life form to promote the survival of its offspring. similarly you can see how there could evolve a drive to promote the welfare of your own group which we also experience as emotions of empathy, loyalty etc
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience.

How did this experience begin in nature?

There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same?
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Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear..

Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells.

If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation..

FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction.

just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!!
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Yup.

This kind of post is a stumper for most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


It's a combination of instinct and upbringing.
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And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
OP good thread. Our emotions were always the same. Its just now we are bombarded with so much info, they are much more intense
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience.

How did this experience begin in nature?

There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same?
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Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear..

Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells.

If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation..

FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction.

just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!!
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You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing)

What about 'instinct' ? Did that evolve?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
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Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


It's a combination of instinct and upbringing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start?
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There is growing evidence of experiences being passed along genetically, so yes, instinct can "evolve".
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
A question for evolutionists. Did the emotions of a lion evolve?
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
A question for evolutionists. Did the emotions of a lion evolve?
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And they DO feel
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So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power?
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It's a combination of instinct and upbringing.
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And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


There is growing evidence of experiences being passed along genetically, so yes, instinct can "evolve".
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Do confuse instinct with learning and adapting to your environment
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience.

How did this experience begin in nature?

There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592



Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear..

Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells.

If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation..

FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction.

just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!!
 Quoting: dark 63700153


You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing)


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I don't think you are getting it. Fear is a reaction to stimuli. Think about the phrase "the only thing to fear is fear itself". Fear on its own doesn't exist.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Instinct is much much deeper
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
The same way everything else in there religion started

There was nothing then that nothing blew up for no reason .. Then for no reason random particles blah blah blah then monkeyed then humans Emotions no reason blah blah randomness blah blah .. Religion bad blah blah

And thinks there smarter than everyone
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
The same way everything else in there religion started

There was nothing then that nothing blew up for no reason .. Then for no reason random particles blah blah blah then monkeyed then humans Emotions no reason blah blah randomness blah blah .. Religion bad blah blah

And thinks there smarter than everyone
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Give them this:

Where did matter come from? What was before the big bang? Something outside of our space/time contiuum had to have instered this peice of matter into our space/time contiuum to get things going. The universe has a beginning and an end. It is no diffrent than life and death. We are born and then we die. Everything is like that including stars and planets. Then you ask where did God come from. We say God always existed. Then you ask why doesnt God have an end and a beginning like the universe? Who made God? That question is illogical. You are imposing the laws of the universe to something outside of the universe. No known laws exist to impose on this entity. You people think you are smart and cool because you believe in science and shit. But everything you believe goes against the very fabric of science and logic.
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Re: Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve?
Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience.

How did this experience begin in nature?

There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592



Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear..

Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells.

If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation..

FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction.

just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!!
 Quoting: dark 63700153


You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing)


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592


I don't think you are getting it. Fear is a reaction to stimuli. Think about the phrase "the only thing to fear is fear itself". Fear on its own doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938


The reaction is a physical movement such as running away. Fear as an emotion is not material but it is real and the experiencer is feeling it. So my question is, who is the one experiencing the emotion? Does he/she evolve? Are you your emotions?





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