Evolutionists, how did EMOTIONS evolve? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69133245 Canada 05/25/2015 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Impossible to answer scientifically. Science by its very nature can't understand things like emotion. Qualia is ineffable. Science only cares about things that can be measured and observed by other people. Emotion is one of those things that only YOU can observe and feel. It's like asking scientists to explain why red looks red. Or why a universe can even exist, when we know matter can not be created out of nothing. Consciousness is a singularity. Infinite. |
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bvndy User ID: 26390669 United States 05/25/2015 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotions "evolved" because mammals are complex, and have a loge "childhood". So mama needs to hang around, and papa needs to hang around to help. Mammals are the only creatures that have emotions. marsupials, a branch of mammals also. Emotions are a combination of hormones and inbred programming. You "brain" feels it. If you have one You can ignore the consequences of your actions, but you cannot ignore the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions Ayn Rand |
bvndy User ID: 26390669 United States 05/25/2015 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes that his version of the "truth" is the real one, including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up You can ignore the consequences of your actions, but you cannot ignore the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions Ayn Rand |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 69175592 Canada 05/25/2015 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotions "evolved" because mammals are complex, and have a loge "childhood". Quoting: bvndy So mama needs to hang around, and papa needs to hang around to help. Mammals are the only creatures that have emotions. marsupials, a branch of mammals also. Emotions are a combination of hormones and inbred programming. You "brain" feels it. If you have one Are YOU your brain? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 69175592 Canada 05/25/2015 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes that his version of the "truth" is the real one, including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up And what's your truth? And who mentioned anything about a 'sky god'. I only asked a question, and I guess you realized the alternative, didn't you? |
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dogman17 User ID: 11128121 United States 05/25/2015 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All sentient beings have some degree of emotion. It has been selected for since it helps the creature survive. Fear is an obvious emotion that may protect the animal, fish, bird, etc. so it may survive long enough to reproduce. Aggression is helpful to many creatures, especially when melded with some degree of judgement. Attack smaller animals but don't bite off more than you can chew and risk getting injured. Altruism is helpful when sharing with the pack or with some other species that may reciprocate. Anger and submission may win the day or allow a creature to live another day. Parents of many species have an emotional bond with their offspring. This has furthered the chance of survivial of the young so they may achieve the maturity to reproduce. I am sure that you can come up with many more if you observe all sentient beings. These all are successful emotional behaviors that allow creatures to live long enough to reproduce and pass their genes on to future generations. Last Edited by dogman17 on 05/25/2015 01:01 PM Just don't make anything up. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69133245 Canada 05/25/2015 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah yes, the smug air of the ignorant savage, who believes that his version of the "truth" is the real one, including his sky god, who for some reason never shows up God is not in the sky. It is a human visualization trick. Ever hear of Flatland? Google it. If we were looking at a 2D universe, we would be observing it literally from "above". The 2D beings would have no concept of "above", but we would be seeing their entire universe from what we call the sky. We would be Gods to them. Our universe is 3D spatially. God is observing us from a higher dimension. He is not "above", he is in the higher dimensional equivalent of above. We just don't have a word for direction in that dimension. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55743029 United States 05/25/2015 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the drives to obtain food, sex, avoid being hurt are those response patterns which emerged in primitive life forms. having reached a level of complexity where we have a sense of self and our own internal state we experience those drives as emotions, avoidance of harm is fear, food and sex as pleasure feelings of empathy are probably a reflection of the drive in the primitive life form to promote the survival of its offspring. similarly you can see how there could evolve a drive to promote the welfare of your own group which we also experience as emotions of empathy, loyalty etc |
dark User ID: 63700153 Trinidad and Tobago 05/25/2015 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592 How did this experience begin in nature? There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same? Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear.. Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells. If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation.. FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction. just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 69175592 Canada 05/25/2015 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding. So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power? It's a combination of instinct and upbringing. And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 69175592 Canada 05/25/2015 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592 How did this experience begin in nature? There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same? Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear.. Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells. If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation.. FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction. just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!! You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing) What about 'instinct' ? Did that evolve? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69303938 United States 05/25/2015 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69303938 Not really. We are social animals. Emotions are used to develop bonding. So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power? It's a combination of instinct and upbringing. And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start? There is growing evidence of experiences being passed along genetically, so yes, instinct can "evolve". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47311396 United States 05/25/2015 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592 So who told you to have emotions? Did you come up with them by your own power? It's a combination of instinct and upbringing. And 'instinct' evolved? How did species preserve without having instinct working right from the start? There is growing evidence of experiences being passed along genetically, so yes, instinct can "evolve". Do confuse instinct with learning and adapting to your environment |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69303938 United States 05/25/2015 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592 How did this experience begin in nature? There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same? Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear.. Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells. If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation.. FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction. just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!! You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing) I don't think you are getting it. Fear is a reaction to stimuli. Think about the phrase "the only thing to fear is fear itself". Fear on its own doesn't exist. |
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Priest King User ID: 63825433 United States 05/25/2015 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The same way everything else in there religion started There was nothing then that nothing blew up for no reason .. Then for no reason random particles blah blah blah then monkeyed then humans Emotions no reason blah blah randomness blah blah .. Religion bad blah blah And thinks there smarter than everyone |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47311396 United States 05/25/2015 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The same way everything else in there religion started Quoting: Priest King 63825433 There was nothing then that nothing blew up for no reason .. Then for no reason random particles blah blah blah then monkeyed then humans Emotions no reason blah blah randomness blah blah .. Religion bad blah blah And thinks there smarter than everyone Give them this: Where did matter come from? What was before the big bang? Something outside of our space/time contiuum had to have instered this peice of matter into our space/time contiuum to get things going. The universe has a beginning and an end. It is no diffrent than life and death. We are born and then we die. Everything is like that including stars and planets. Then you ask where did God come from. We say God always existed. Then you ask why doesnt God have an end and a beginning like the universe? Who made God? That question is illogical. You are imposing the laws of the universe to something outside of the universe. No known laws exist to impose on this entity. You people think you are smart and cool because you believe in science and shit. But everything you believe goes against the very fabric of science and logic. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 69175592 Canada 05/25/2015 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emotion is not just a biological process but an experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69175592 How did this experience begin in nature? There is the experience and the one experiencing. Are they one and the same? Emotions are chemical reactions that have complex-ed interactions.. Take for example as my friend listed above Fear.. Emotions must have a stimulus.. The stimilus trigger a chemical production than in turns affects the brain and cells. If Fear case the stimulus is threat or danger. Then certain chemicals are produced one such being adrenalin, which allows you to better defend yourself and be more reactive better fo0r self preservation.. FOr the Evolution path, emnotions developed over a period of timebase on 2 primary characteristics. Self Preservation and reproduction. just because YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THIS doesn't me we dont and isn't proof of creation!! You still don't get it do you? There is 'fear' (the experience) and animal (the one experiencing) I don't think you are getting it. Fear is a reaction to stimuli. Think about the phrase "the only thing to fear is fear itself". Fear on its own doesn't exist. The reaction is a physical movement such as running away. Fear as an emotion is not material but it is real and the experiencer is feeling it. So my question is, who is the one experiencing the emotion? Does he/she evolve? Are you your emotions? |