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"Around #Ukraine, in the temporarily occupied territories of #Donbass and #Crimea deployed ground grouping of about 80 thousand Russian troops, about 1400 artillery and missile systems, 900 tanks, 2300 armored vehicles, about 500 airplanes and 300 helicopters."

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Ukraine was partitioned between Poland and Russia at the end of World War I before the Soviet Union even existed. However, you are correct that they did not want to be under Soviet rule and they briefly looked upon Nazi Germany as liberators when they invaded the Soviet Union. Of course, that didn't work out so well for them either.

Ukraine declared its independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, becoming the third most powerful nuclear nation in the world, until 1994 when the US, Britain, and Russia talked them into destroying their nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees of observing their sovereign borders.

We all saw how well THAT played out for them.
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Pretty much spot on but it wasn't for the destruction of warheads, it was for the return of warheads and delivery systems...

Over 1700 warheads I believe it was, and the agreement was to secure Ukraine's security against military and economic treats, internal and external.
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Ukrainian warheads? Soviet warheads they were! Let call the things with their real names.
Before the drunken Yeltsin decided to dissolve USSR, before the putch against Gorbachev, nobody even dreamed of it. Ukraine didnt produce nukes on its own. It was the Soviet science and weapons factories that produced them.

Or may be...some modern day Ukrainians want the nukes back...to nuke Russia...They may try...we all know the result of such a try.
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I Don't think I said Ukrainian warheads, but they were infact Ukranian after the Soviets jumped ship for a short amount of time, they were under Ukrainian control hence why the memorandum was put forward, and the memorandum was for their return and they were of course produced and maintained by the Soviets up until that point in history.

At least that's my understanding, if it's different please provide a link for my own education.

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I remember the news of that time, how USA urged Ukraine and Kazakhstan to transfer the nukes to Russia. (if you want links, well you may provide links, I don't have them). If USA wanted a nuclear Ukraine, it wouldn't insist on the transfer. The dissolution of USSR came as a big surprise and in a very short time.(I.e. the Soviet leaders didn't have the time to transfer the nukes). Ukraine had no choice but to deliver the nukes to the big brother. So did Kazakhstan. Russia was the official successor of USSR, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. And better Ukraine never have nuclear weapons, because it will use them.
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Pretty much spot on but it wasn't for the destruction of warheads, it was for the return of warheads and delivery systems...

Over 1700 warheads I believe it was, and the agreement was to secure Ukraine's security against military and economic treats, internal and external.
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Ukrainian warheads? Soviet warheads they were! Let call the things with their real names.
Before the drunken Yeltsin decided to dissolve USSR, before the putch against Gorbachev, nobody even dreamed of it. Ukraine didnt produce nukes on its own. It was the Soviet science and weapons factories that produced them.

Or may be...some modern day Ukrainians want the nukes back...to nuke Russia...They may try...we all know the result of such a try.
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I Don't think I said Ukrainian warheads, but they were infact Ukranian after the Soviets jumped ship for a short amount of time, they were under Ukrainian control hence why the memorandum was put forward, and the memorandum was for their return and they were of course produced and maintained by the Soviets up until that point in history.

At least that's my understanding, if it's different please provide a link for my own education.

beer2
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I remember the news of that time, how USA urged Ukraine and Kazakhstan to transfer the nukes to Russia. (if you want links, well you may provide links, I don't have them). If USA wanted a nuclear Ukraine, it wouldn't insist on the transfer. The dissolution of USSR came as a big surprise and in a very short time.(I.e. the Soviet leaders didn't have the time to transfer the nukes). Ukraine had no choice but to deliver the nukes to the big brother. So did Kazakhstan. Russia was the official successor of USSR, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. And better Ukraine never have nuclear weapons, because it will use them.
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There has always been speculation on the number of Nukes removed..
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Ukrainian warheads? Soviet warheads they were! Let call the things with their real names.
Before the drunken Yeltsin decided to dissolve USSR, before the putch against Gorbachev, nobody even dreamed of it. Ukraine didnt produce nukes on its own. It was the Soviet science and weapons factories that produced them.

Or may be...some modern day Ukrainians want the nukes back...to nuke Russia...They may try...we all know the result of such a try.
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I Don't think I said Ukrainian warheads, but they were infact Ukranian after the Soviets jumped ship for a short amount of time, they were under Ukrainian control hence why the memorandum was put forward, and the memorandum was for their return and they were of course produced and maintained by the Soviets up until that point in history.

At least that's my understanding, if it's different please provide a link for my own education.

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I remember the news of that time, how USA urged Ukraine and Kazakhstan to transfer the nukes to Russia. (if you want links, well you may provide links, I don't have them). If USA wanted a nuclear Ukraine, it wouldn't insist on the transfer. The dissolution of USSR came as a big surprise and in a very short time.(I.e. the Soviet leaders didn't have the time to transfer the nukes). Ukraine had no choice but to deliver the nukes to the big brother. So did Kazakhstan. Russia was the official successor of USSR, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. And better Ukraine never have nuclear weapons, because it will use them.
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There has always been speculation on the number of Nukes removed..
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Interesting background on the Removal..The Ukraine was paid well..
Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances..

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I Don't think I said Ukrainian warheads, but they were infact Ukranian after the Soviets jumped ship for a short amount of time, they were under Ukrainian control hence why the memorandum was put forward, and the memorandum was for their return and they were of course produced and maintained by the Soviets up until that point in history.

At least that's my understanding, if it's different please provide a link for my own education.

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I remember the news of that time, how USA urged Ukraine and Kazakhstan to transfer the nukes to Russia. (if you want links, well you may provide links, I don't have them). If USA wanted a nuclear Ukraine, it wouldn't insist on the transfer. The dissolution of USSR came as a big surprise and in a very short time.(I.e. the Soviet leaders didn't have the time to transfer the nukes). Ukraine had no choice but to deliver the nukes to the big brother. So did Kazakhstan. Russia was the official successor of USSR, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. And better Ukraine never have nuclear weapons, because it will use them.
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There has always been speculation on the number of Nukes removed..
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Interesting background on the Removal..The Ukraine was paid well..
Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances..

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the U.S. gave them some operating Capital in exchange
for their nukes.
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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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War?

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
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The US defense secretary, Jim Mattis, has blasted Russia on three fronts: for the “brazen” violation of a treaty with Kiev and the seizure of three Ukrainian vessels, for trying to “muck around” with the US midterm elections, and for violating a nuclear arms treaty.

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
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Here is Putin speaking this, with English interpretation. Video should start playing at the right place if you click this link

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...for trying to “muck around” with the US midterm elections, and for violating a nuclear arms treaty.
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Referring to a 2003 agreement governing the Kerch Strait between the Azov sea and Black sea, Mattis said Moscow had shown “brazen contempt and dismissal” for the deal “that allowed both Russian and Ukrainian ships free passage”.
"His remarks were some of the strongest to date by the US.
United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley previously accused Russia of “outlaw actions” and an “outrageous violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory”.


The article mentions nothing of the Ukrainian bombing attempt on the bridge.
This is an important new bridge they are fighting over.
Construction of the bridge commenced in May 2015.
The road bridge was opened on May 16, '18.
The rail portion will open early in '19, kinda big deal;)

The '03 agreement he refers to needs to be amended to deal with it..
The Ukrainians will have an election March 31, '19.
Porky is still a potential, unpopular candidate for re-election, hence martial law.
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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
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Here is Putin speaking this, with English interpretation. Video should start playing at the right place if you click this link

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Thanks for this. Yeah, he's talking about the war in Donbass, not a direct conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
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Very early on in this situation, probably 2014 or so, the Saker did a good analysis about how it is in Russia's interest to promote a frozen conflict. Perhaps it serves a useful purpose to other global players too?
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Looks like the #KerchBlockade has finally ended as both Russian and Ukrainian vessels head to their respective ports.

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Looks like the #KerchBlockade has finally ended as both Russian and Ukrainian vessels head to their respective ports.

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
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it's a mini-war with sugar on top.
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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
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Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
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Precisely chuckle

The idea is that Donbass is a dirty war, it's a civil war, it's a clandestine war for the Russians, there are of course advisors and observer's but it's not a war that Russia itself is overtly claiming their actions to...

Putin was directly referencing the conflict as between Kiev and Donbass.

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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 Quoting: Edgecrusher


This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Precisely chuckle

The idea is that Donbass is a dirty war, it's a civil war, it's a clandestine war for the Russians, there are of course advisors and observer's but it's not a war that Russia itself is overtly claiming their actions to...

Putin was directly referencing the conflict as between Kiev and Donbass.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Putin got Crimea, but he wants more.
what do you call that/
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This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Precisely chuckle

The idea is that Donbass is a dirty war, it's a civil war, it's a clandestine war for the Russians, there are of course advisors and observer's but it's not a war that Russia itself is overtly claiming their actions to...

Putin was directly referencing the conflict as between Kiev and Donbass.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Putin got Crimea, but he wants more.
what do you call that/
 Quoting: Colloidal Peanut Butter


I'll call it when I see it, Crimea was a strategic it was reactionary, he's knows that by not absorbing Donbass he can prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or ascend to the EU not without first letting go off Donbass...

That's a very smart move, and it tells you that he know precisely what the US and Co were up to with Maidan, I call that thinking.