UKRAINE/RUSSIA: BREAKING Kremlin says details of a fire that killed 14 crew on a deep-water submersible will not be made public!!!p605

Putin can't trust anybody except his guns.

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#BREAKING: President #Putin of #Russia has made a statement "The war in #Ukraine will continue as long as the current government is in power". This is the first time Russian leadership publicly states that they are at war with #Ukraine. -Gage

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War?

This isn't saying the Russians are at war with Ukraine, it's referencing the Donbass situation

Ah, so war within Ukraine, civil war. One has to be careful with words, especially when they are translated from a different language.

The US defense secretary, Jim Mattis, has blasted Russia on three fronts: for the “brazen” violation of a treaty with Kiev and the seizure of three Ukrainian vessels, for trying to “muck around” with the US midterm elections, and for violating a nuclear arms treaty.

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Here is Putin speaking this, with English interpretation. Video should start playing at the right place if you click this link

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Referring to a 2003 agreement governing the Kerch Strait between the Azov sea and Black sea, Mattis said Moscow had shown “brazen contempt and dismissal” for the deal “that allowed both Russian and Ukrainian ships free passage”.
"His remarks were some of the strongest to date by the US.
United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley previously accused Russia of “outlaw actions” and an “outrageous violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory”.

The article mentions nothing of the Ukrainian bombing attempt on the bridge.
This is an important new bridge they are fighting over.
Construction of the bridge commenced in May 2015.
The road bridge was opened on May 16, '18.
The rail portion will open early in '19, kinda big deal;)

The '03 agreement he refers to needs to be amended to deal with it..
The Ukrainians will have an election March 31, '19.
Porky is still a potential, unpopular candidate for re-election, hence martial law.
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Thanks for this. Yeah, he's talking about the war in Donbass, not a direct conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

Very early on in this situation, probably 2014 or so, the Saker did a good analysis about how it is in Russia's interest to promote a frozen conflict. Perhaps it serves a useful purpose to other global players too?

Looks like the #KerchBlockade has finally ended as both Russian and Ukrainian vessels head to their respective ports.

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Global catastrophe is averted for one more day!

it's a mini-war with sugar on top.

Precisely

The idea is that Donbass is a dirty war, it's a civil war, it's a clandestine war for the Russians, there are of course advisors and observer's but it's not a war that Russia itself is overtly claiming their actions to...

Putin was directly referencing the conflict as between Kiev and Donbass.

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Putin got Crimea, but he wants more.
what do you call that/

I'll call it when I see it, Crimea was a strategic it was reactionary, he's knows that by not absorbing Donbass he can prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or ascend to the EU not without first letting go off Donbass...

That's a very smart move, and it tells you that he know precisely what the US and Co were up to with Maidan, I call that thinking.

Just a reminder to all my followers after some information was posted on Twitter last night. Do not post or repost any information relating to troop/equipment movements in Ukraine. It is illegal as Ukraine is currently under martial law and your account may be banned
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Eh, idk, i don't think the Ukrainian government has much of a stranglehold over what people do and say over twitter.

The US Army is gearing up for a potential fight with Russia, and it just put a crucial defensive weapon back in Europe permanently


"The battalion has a long history, serving in artillery and antiaircraft artillery roles in the War of 1812, the Civil War, World War II, and the Vietnam War."

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sounds stupid. or ignorant

Understanding that this is a news thread, so not wishing to cause a major derailment, but to those here more knowledgable than me in military affairs, particularly in regard to this recent escalation between Russia and Ukraine. Where do you think things might go from here? Things seem to have quietened down a little, and I heard that the Kirch Strait has reopened, so . . . what do you think might happen from this point?

Hope OP Luis, won't mind me asking. Thanks

I reckon it will settle down again. At this point, is it possible for a war to occur between major world powers without somebody using nuclear weapons? It seems unlikely to me.

I've always believed that either we'll end up have a little accident with our nuclear toys, or the cosmos will send some fun our way. Nothing lasts forever.

To be honest it's entirely unpredictable but it's an obvious situation for the players involved, Russia knows what Poroshenko is after, it's highly unlikely that Russia will give them it, the build up on Ukrianes border is most likely to intimidate Kiev into not acting out of place, equally Kiev believes that Crimea is still in Ukraine so the waters they were in mean they weren't in the wrong...

This is backed by the western stance, however the West is reluctant to get bogged down in that quagmire, but will happily play big bank take little bank...

Putin strategy as it appears to myself is to not accept Donbass into Russia the same for Abhazia and South Osetia, as it prevents NATO from absorbing Ukraine and Georgia, which would be a massive threat to Russia, but rather than bankrupt themselves in a high intensity conflict they play the board smart...

It's unlikely this will actually escalate however it's all on what Poroshenko does next and what comes of G20.

Thanks for your views, have read . . and will sleep on it!

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Washington Examiner: Estonia fears Russia wants another piece of Ukraine

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“Mad Dog” Calls Putin a Fucking Idiot.


Mattis “Putin a slow learner”. Hilarious bwhaaaaaaaaaa

Made my day.

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It is illegal FOR UKRAINIANS INSIDE UKRAINE.

Ukraine law does not apply outside its borders or to citizens of other nations who have no ongoing contractual relationship with Ukraine.

DPR crawling with Russian Troops and Tanks, yet Putler playing the victim. Really is astonishing stuff.

Putler and his rogue military have illegally detained 3 Ukrainian Ships in international waters. Detaining 23 Ukrainian sailors. Some think this cool.

When does the international community say enough is enough, Is it when Russian Tank Turrets are pointing across the British channel ?.

Putler talks of wanting to normalise relations with United States. Yet he is becoming increasingly belligerent in the face of US demands. US demanded the immediate release of the Ukraine Ships and Sailors, yet Putler will not do it. Why not symbolically subjugate to US authority, show you respect United States, that you will start respecting US authority .Putler could not do it, Playing the victim is becoming tiresome. So many gullible people falling for this.

Mattis is right Putin is a slow learner, basically a fucking idiot. Even a 5 year old knows for every action there is a consequence.

US should demand that NATO Turkey shut the Bospurus Strait to all Russian Naval vessels. Only let through commercial shipping. If Turkey refuse US should impose crippling sanctions, boot them out of NATO.

Also order the closure of all Western Ports to Russian Shipping until Russia starts complying with US demands.

Short of all out war it is the best option to bring the “Slow learners” to their knees.

Porky shouldn't have tried to blow up the bridge.

Under the 1936 Montreux Convention (actually a ratified treaty binding on all signatories), Turkey should have closed the Bosporus Straits in 2014 when Russia invaded, occupied, and annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula (a brazen violation of a ratified treaty and clearly an act of war). Turkey must be persuaded to do so now--better late than never.

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Neither Russia or Turkey are in a state of war. Nor is Turkey threatened by Russia. There is no reason for Turkey to do anything. What you are suggesting is a direct violation of said Treaty.

On the other hand, Ukraine certainly thinks they are "at war" with Russia. Hence entering Russian territorial waters( they are Russian territorial waters regardless of Crimea btw) with unauthorized warships is not an "innocent passage". You can take the above quote and apply it to the Kerch strait. Russia acts in the exact way you are suggesting Turkey should have acted.




You can argue the status of Crimea, but you can't argue, given current borders, that Ukraine has any leg to stand on here.