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GLP Automotive: No Crank Condition

 
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Alright Ladies, let's put on our thinking caps...

1993 Oldsmobile Regency. 3.8L.

A few days ago I noticed the starter was turning over slowly. So I thought to myself, "Welp, I'll need to charge my battery soon. Might need to get a new one even."

Yesterday I got stranded in the city. The starter was barely turning over, then stopped altogether. Friend came to jump me. Nothing. Bought a new battery. Nothing.

No click sound from the starter when turning the key. Silence. However, all the lights in the dash do 'respond' like theyre supposed to when starting the engine. So I don't think it's an ignition switch problem. But I don't know for sure...

Possible causes:

Neutral Safety Switch - I don't think it's this, since the switch would either be "open" or "closed" ... no "in-between" like I experienced with the starter gradually slowing down to nothing.

Fuses and relays: same as above

Starter - It doesn't seem to me that it was frozen (dead), just that it wasn't getting enough juice- maybe indicating the starter solenoid?

Anyway, I've looked over this tutorial [link to troubleshootmyvehicle.com] and will be testing things after I get it towed home. But while I'm in town, before towing it, I'll be near the auto parts store. It would be helpful to buy a replacement part for the most likely problem while I'm there, since I have limited mobility.

So based on the above, what do you think?
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Re: GLP Automotive: No Crank Condition
check your grounds
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Give the starter a good whack with a steel mallet.
Dont try to destroy it, just pop it once.
Try the key and see if it turns over even a little.
Sometimes this will get you going in an emergency.
If the starter turns over even a little after whacking it, chances are good that the starter or solenoid is bad and needs to be replaced.

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Shiva, and Boris are correct on checking the grounds. At the battery, and also the ground from the frame to the engine block. Another possibility is a battery that has a dead cell or cells. Plates can short together inside the battery which will not even allow it to be jumped.
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Give the starter a good whack with a steel mallet.
Dont try to destroy it, just pop it once.
Try the key and see if it turns over even a little.
Sometimes this will get you going in an emergency.
If the starter turns over even a little after whacking it, chances are good that the starter or solenoid is bad and needs to be replaced.

YMMV
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Yeah. Also did you bench test the starter?
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plastic intake is hammered and the cylinders have antifreeze in them. Pull some plugs and see if it turns over then. they were known to do that
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It's your starter.
Been through the same symptoms many times.
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for the "home mechanics"


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Shiva, and Boris are correct on checking the grounds. At the battery, and also the ground from the frame to the engine block. Another possibility is a battery that has a dead cell or cells. Plates can short together inside the battery which will not even allow it to be jumped.
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Alright Ladies, let's put on our thinking caps...

1993 Oldsmobile Regency. 3.8L.

A few days ago I noticed the starter was turning over slowly. So I thought to myself, "Welp, I'll need to charge my battery soon. Might need to get a new one even."

Yesterday I got stranded in the city. The starter was barely turning over, then stopped altogether. Friend came to jump me. Nothing. Bought a new battery. Nothing.

No click sound from the starter when turning the key. Silence. However, all the lights in the dash do 'respond' like theyre supposed to when starting the engine. So I don't think it's an ignition switch problem. But I don't know for sure...

Possible causes:

Neutral Safety Switch - I don't think it's this, since the switch would either be "open" or "closed" ... no "in-between" like I experienced with the starter gradually slowing down to nothing.

Fuses and relays: same as above

Starter - It doesn't seem to me that it was frozen (dead), just that it wasn't getting enough juice- maybe indicating the starter solenoid?

Anyway, I've looked over this tutorial [link to troubleshootmyvehicle.com] and will be testing things after I get it towed home. But while I'm in town, before towing it, I'll be near the auto parts store. It would be helpful to buy a replacement part for the most likely problem while I'm there, since I have limited mobility.

So based on the above, what do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68897629


I think you know nothing about logic or a car.

The fact that you would even think you should have to charge the battery is absurd. A low battery is a symptom, and charging it is treating a symptom, you are not even considering the cause.

Towing it home is stupid, because you don't know how to fix it...if you were thinking clearly you would have towed it to a repair shop.

Trying to buy a replacement part while you are near the store, without knowing what is wrong with your car is like putting band aids on your kid before he goes bike riding and expecting him to fall.
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plastic intake is hammered and the cylinders have antifreeze in them. Pull some plugs and see if it turns over then. they were known to do that
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That's a good possibility and because OP is a woman, it might not have any oil in it, or coolant for that matter. Could be getting hot and the pistons are swelling with heat causing it to drag.
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Re: GLP Automotive: No Crank Condition
Next step after clearing grounds and knocking the starter is the alternator. Battery is the symptom as Brief says, it hasn't charged while driving enough to pop the starter solenoid. It's either the starter/solenoid or the alternator. Is your car a heavily powered one? PW, PL, PD, etc? If so, I bet alternator
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
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Give the starter a good whack with a steel mallet.
Dont try to destroy it, just pop it once.
Try the key and see if it turns over even a little.
Sometimes this will get you going in an emergency.
If the starter turns over even a little after whacking it, chances are good that the starter or solenoid is bad and needs to be replaced.

YMMV
 Quoting: Sledster


Don't leave out checking the copper contacts inside the starter. If they're badly worn it could cause this. Very cheap & easy fix.
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Alright Ladies, let's put on our thinking caps...

1993 Oldsmobile Regency. 3.8L.

A few days ago I noticed the starter was turning over slowly. So I thought to myself, "Welp, I'll need to charge my battery soon. Might need to get a new one even."

Yesterday I got stranded in the city. The starter was barely turning over, then stopped altogether. Friend came to jump me. Nothing. Bought a new battery. Nothing.

No click sound from the starter when turning the key. Silence. However, all the lights in the dash do 'respond' like theyre supposed to when starting the engine. So I don't think it's an ignition switch problem. But I don't know for sure...

Possible causes:

Neutral Safety Switch - I don't think it's this, since the switch would either be "open" or "closed" ... no "in-between" like I experienced with the starter gradually slowing down to nothing.

Fuses and relays: same as above

Starter - It doesn't seem to me that it was frozen (dead), just that it wasn't getting enough juice- maybe indicating the starter solenoid?

Anyway, I've looked over this tutorial [link to troubleshootmyvehicle.com] and will be testing things after I get it towed home. But while I'm in town, before towing it, I'll be near the auto parts store. It would be helpful to buy a replacement part for the most likely problem while I'm there, since I have limited mobility.

So based on the above, what do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68897629


I think you know nothing about logic or a car.

The fact that you would even think you should have to charge the battery is absurd. A low battery is a symptom, and charging it is treating a symptom, you are not even considering the cause.

Towing it home is stupid, because you don't know how to fix it...if you were thinking clearly you would have towed it to a repair shop.

Trying to buy a replacement part while you are near the store, without knowing what is wrong with your car is like putting band aids on your kid before he goes bike riding and expecting him to fall.
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
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This. And all the retards, the OP bought a new battery. Take out your starter and bring it to an auto electrician to test and most like recon.
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
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Correct. Have you bench tested the starter?
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Alright Ladies, let's put on our thinking caps...

1993 Oldsmobile Regency. 3.8L.

A few days ago I noticed the starter was turning over slowly. So I thought to myself, "Welp, I'll need to charge my battery soon. Might need to get a new one even."

Yesterday I got stranded in the city. The starter was barely turning over, then stopped altogether. Friend came to jump me. Nothing. Bought a new battery. Nothing.

No click sound from the starter when turning the key. Silence. However, all the lights in the dash do 'respond' like theyre supposed to when starting the engine. So I don't think it's an ignition switch problem. But I don't know for sure...

Possible causes:

Neutral Safety Switch - I don't think it's this, since the switch would either be "open" or "closed" ... no "in-between" like I experienced with the starter gradually slowing down to nothing.

Fuses and relays: same as above

Starter - It doesn't seem to me that it was frozen (dead), just that it wasn't getting enough juice- maybe indicating the starter solenoid?

Anyway, I've looked over this tutorial [link to troubleshootmyvehicle.com] and will be testing things after I get it towed home. But while I'm in town, before towing it, I'll be near the auto parts store. It would be helpful to buy a replacement part for the most likely problem while I'm there, since I have limited mobility.

So based on the above, what do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68897629


I think you know nothing about logic or a car.

The fact that you would even think you should have to charge the battery is absurd. A low battery is a symptom, and charging it is treating a symptom, you are not even considering the cause.

Towing it home is stupid, because you don't know how to fix it...if you were thinking clearly you would have towed it to a repair shop.

Trying to buy a replacement part while you are near the store, without knowing what is wrong with your car is like putting band aids on your kid before he goes bike riding and expecting him to fall.
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You're a fucking idiot Brief, stick to bibletard threads hey.
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Another way of freeing the starter is if you have a manual shift.

Put into a high gear and push the car backwards and forwards a few times, that should free up the starter.
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Another way of freeing the starter is if you have a manual shift.

Put into a high gear and push the car backwards and forwards a few times, that should free up the starter.
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It's an automatic.
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It's your starter.
Been through the same symptoms many times.
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
 Quoting: JohnDonson 35516203


This. And all the retards, the OP bought a new battery. Take out your starter and bring it to an auto electrician to test and most like recon.
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It's your starter! You have lights so it's not the battery or alternator. You've driven 22years on that starter so consider yourself lucky it lasted that long.
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Correct. Have you bench tested the starter?
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plastic intake is hammered and the cylinders have antifreeze in them. Pull some plugs and see if it turns over then. they were known to do that
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That's a good possibility and because OP is a woman, it might not have any oil in it, or coolant for that matter. Could be getting hot and the pistons are swelling with heat causing it to drag.
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kind of a caricature of yourself at this point.
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Some vehicles had a wire going to the solenoid that was a fusible link. Burned off in an overload situation. Or maybe the solenoid is jammed.
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Starter.
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the symptoms indicate a worn coil in the starter motor's motor itself, not the solenoid.
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the symptoms indicate a worn coil in the starter motor's motor itself, not the solenoid.
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either that or you have a seized engine. try moving it in gear if you are not an auto gearbox.

if it is seized then the solenoid might be stuck engaged hence no noise heard.

and yes it could also have blown a fuse while aswell.
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Alright Ladies, let's put on our thinking caps...

1993 Oldsmobile Regency. 3.8L.

A few days ago I noticed the starter was turning over slowly. So I thought to myself, "Welp, I'll need to charge my battery soon. Might need to get a new one even."

Yesterday I got stranded in the city. The starter was barely turning over, then stopped altogether. Friend came to jump me. Nothing. Bought a new battery. Nothing.

No click sound from the starter when turning the key. Silence. However, all the lights in the dash do 'respond' like theyre supposed to when starting the engine. So I don't think it's an ignition switch problem. But I don't know for sure...

Possible causes:

Neutral Safety Switch - I don't think it's this, since the switch would either be "open" or "closed" ... no "in-between" like I experienced with the starter gradually slowing down to nothing.

Fuses and relays: same as above

Starter - It doesn't seem to me that it was frozen (dead), just that it wasn't getting enough juice- maybe indicating the starter solenoid?

Anyway, I've looked over this tutorial [link to troubleshootmyvehicle.com] and will be testing things after I get it towed home. But while I'm in town, before towing it, I'll be near the auto parts store. It would be helpful to buy a replacement part for the most likely problem while I'm there, since I have limited mobility.

So based on the above, what do you think?
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CNS

Crank no Start

Basically

Spark/ Fuel

Old school 101

Modern vehicles with computers...

Same thing

Spark ( signal )

Fuel ( injection )

Crank no start is a better situation to be in than other repairs

Usually easy to diagnois
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I don't know why, but sometimes this happens to me. I put it in neutral and it starts up.
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Do not waste your time fucking with the solenoid.

Replace the entire starter.

Case closed.
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I don't know why, but sometimes this happens to me. I put it in neutral and it starts up.
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