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| Coward User ID: 68410266  Norway05/30/2015 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732  United States05/30/2015 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two kinds of maps show where China's real borders are. Linguistic: [link to www.zonu.com] Night time satellite: [link to www.drben.net] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50750821 United States05/30/2015 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The goal of China is to dominate the world, to control, to put conditions, to economically enslave countries. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50750821 meet the new boss same as the old zionist boss except China don't suck juice cock basically, a new Hitler without all the melodrama China's Lebensraum in the high seas begins. Perfect for historians, strategist and mind thinker. Historical pattern of Sudeten Land crisis and the invasion of Poland are quite eerily similar to South China Sea events. General Chi’s remarks in his speech/article: The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28032624 United States05/30/2015 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why. just because i'm well educated and can speak from any and all points of view ? . Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. ------------------------------------ fuck you. you simple minded little moron. . |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732 United States05/30/2015 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course, that doesn't mean the Party won't still lash out. Being a hawk in these times can be risky: "Former Top Chinese General Did Not Die of Medical Neglect" [link to www.hindustantimes.com] |
| Moraniac Clinging to my guns and Bibles  User ID: 36729103 United States05/30/2015 08:29 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732 United States05/30/2015 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why. just because i'm well educated and can speak from any and all points of view ? . Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. ------------------------------------ fuck you. you simple minded little moron. . So...you don't take EITHER position? Being against both the Party and PLA is a lot more dangerous than just picking one, lol. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69376326 United States05/30/2015 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A nice little quick war with China just might stimulate the failing economy in the US... Quoting: Patagonians Just sayin... hahaha common misconcettion byg gov operations do not support economy they drain econmy. Exactly, especially with automation and efficiency these days. Oh it does benefit the elite though and their donors while the tax payers pay for it all in labor and blood |
| Falter User ID: 58276109  Sweden05/30/2015 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A nice little quick war with China just might stimulate the failing economy in the US... Quoting: Patagonians Just sayin... "A nice little quick war"... with China? Well, have fun. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69377305 United States05/30/2015 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69355732 Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. no different from the left/right paradigm in the US it is an illusion both the military and the party are run/enslaved by the bankers and just who owns China's banks ??? not the Chinese the Bank of China has stockholders Rothschild owns 24% of stock of Bank of China Soros owns 16% of stock of Bank of China research Banker Wars the elites have been doing this for centuries and if China is island building, then you can bet that the bankers investments are at stake on those islands might as well just call it Rothschild's Island and he is using both sides as his puppets |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732 United States05/30/2015 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps it's simply that you're a PLAAF guy. All these crazy Navy sandcastles--what a fragile pile of crap. We should be building air-based airstrips, for God's sake. Perhaps held aloft with giant helium balloons. Then we don't have to monkey around placing them off other nations' coastlines--we can float them directly over their damn shopping malls. We could even stack them three-deep, depending of course on the supply of helium. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59404998 United States05/30/2015 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69355732 Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. no different from the left/right paradigm in the US it is an illusion both the military and the party are run/enslaved by the bankers and just who owns China's banks ??? not the Chinese the Bank of China has stockholders Rothschild owns 24% of stock of Bank of China Soros owns 16% of stock of Bank of China research Banker Wars the elites have been doing this for centuries and if China is island building, then you can bet that the bankers investments are at stake on those islands might as well just call it Rothschild's Island and he is using both sides as his puppets |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69376326 United States05/30/2015 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69355732 Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. no different from the left/right paradigm in the US it is an illusion both the military and the party are run/enslaved by the bankers and just who owns China's banks ??? not the Chinese the Bank of China has stockholders Rothschild owns 24% of stock of Bank of China Soros owns 16% of stock of Bank of China research Banker Wars the elites have been doing this for centuries and if China is island building, then you can bet that the bankers investments are at stake on those islands might as well just call it Rothschild's Island and he is using both sides as his puppets Yep Spot on Eyes Wide Open It is always about money and using Propaganda to get your serfs to fight for you |
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| Kybeam User ID: 69173020 United States05/30/2015 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the US thinks that China is expanding the islands to put in a chinese military air base whose bombers can reach US allies and with extended territory, china could also put ICBM's in the South China Sea that threatens Europe and Asia it's like the Cuban Missile crisis cept in chinese waters I am guessing you are geographically challenged. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732 United States05/30/2015 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, whose point of view do you speak from--the Chinese military, or the Party? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69355732 Because those viewpoints are no longer the same. no different from the left/right paradigm in the US it is an illusion both the military and the party are run/enslaved by the bankers and just who owns China's banks ??? not the Chinese the Bank of China has stockholders Rothschild owns 24% of stock of Bank of China Soros owns 16% of stock of Bank of China research Banker Wars the elites have been doing this for centuries and if China is island building, then you can bet that the bankers investments are at stake on those islands might as well just call it Rothschild's Island and he is using both sides as his puppets That may be the difference between Chinese and US military generals... Chinese generals do whatever the hell they feel like doing. And now that the Party is "suiciding" some of them? That's the war-within-the-war. |
| Nuke68 User ID: 47917525  Ireland05/30/2015 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody wants China to be ceded claim to the South China Sea. that will greatly extend their national waters and force pretty much all of Asia to ask their permission to ship anything. Not to mention their military reach will be greatly extended by using their "sand castles" as forward operating bases. this would give their land based aircraft the ability to strike a lot more territory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69350727 This sea is half the size of China and they think it all belongs to them, despite the fact that half a dozen other countries are located along this sea. It is tantamount to the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico as US waters. It is in many nation's strategic interests to keep China from claiming the sea. All it will take is a few countries acting like China owns that water and China gains credibility. All it will take is an airliner or ship asking permission to navigate the area, which extends hundreds of miles from the Chinese mainland, and China will have begun to win claim. The US faces a big military and strategy problem with China. Technically the US is militarily stronger, but it would take moving a goodly portion of our assets to the region. The US Pacific fleet is likely capable of containing China to the region, but not of keeping her from playing in her front yard. To physically kick China out of the Sea, or to keep her out of the Philippines or Japan the US would have to fully mobilize. That is exceedingly costly. And I doubt it can be guaranteed we would succeed, though if I were betting I'd bet on the US. Economically there are opinions that one country or the other would be economically ruined by the other in war. I disagree. Both countries would move into a war economy, which requires much less cash so long as materials and labor are utilized from within. There is nothing to stop "mysterious" buyers from snapping up US treasuries if China dumps them. There is no problem keeping the Chinese working when US markets become off limits to China. In such a scenario I again would bet on the US. The US has more natural resources than China. Though China has more industry than the US that can change quickly. Even now there are empty steel plants across the US that still contain their crucibles and all the major components to start producing steel again in a matter of a few months or even weeks if the government desires it. Industry does not function without natural resources and the US has more than China. Much of China's resources are imported by sea and the US can positively and unequivocally prevent all seaborne trade with China. China could gain back much of those lost resources by trading with Russia, which allows a land route for supply. But it is a long route through remote areas and each set of rail road tracks only support so much tonnage. Not to mention such long routes are vulnerable to interdiction (I couldn't imagine the US being able to interdict too awfully much this deep into the interior, but long range missiles and stealth aircraft might complicate the movement of materials to some extent). One ace the US has is that it is more than capable of feeding its own people and China is not. There is a reason China has been hoarding grains. They know they are vulnerable in that respect. The US can stop all sea borne traffic to China and that leaves China in something of a pickle in regards to food. I would not be surprised to see a war with China lead to a Chinese invasion of South-east Asia to gain access to rice land and extend the reach of their air force. A naval blockade on China. How will the US Navy protect the carrier groups in such a situation from cruise missile attacks? Last Edited by Nuke68 on 05/30/2015 09:01 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68500224 Canada05/30/2015 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China is expanding and accumulating vast wealth. They have business dealings all over the world. Most of US manufacturing was shipped there. They are hacking into US companies and stealing trade secrets. Millions of Chinese have businesses in the US and all over the world. Millions of them have gone to top US and European universities. I don't know who would win in a war between the US and China. China also has nukes |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69350727 United States05/30/2015 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody wants China to be ceded claim to the South China Sea. that will greatly extend their national waters and force pretty much all of Asia to ask their permission to ship anything. Not to mention their military reach will be greatly extended by using their "sand castles" as forward operating bases. this would give their land based aircraft the ability to strike a lot more territory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69350727 This sea is half the size of China and they think it all belongs to them, despite the fact that half a dozen other countries are located along this sea. It is tantamount to the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico as US waters. It is in many nation's strategic interests to keep China from claiming the sea. All it will take is a few countries acting like China owns that water and China gains credibility. All it will take is an airliner or ship asking permission to navigate the area, which extends hundreds of miles from the Chinese mainland, and China will have begun to win claim. The US faces a big military and strategy problem with China. Technically the US is militarily stronger, but it would take moving a goodly portion of our assets to the region. The US Pacific fleet is likely capable of containing China to the region, but not of keeping her from playing in her front yard. To physically kick China out of the Sea, or to keep her out of the Philippines or Japan the US would have to fully mobilize. That is exceedingly costly. And I doubt it can be guaranteed we would succeed, though if I were betting I'd bet on the US. Economically there are opinions that one country or the other would be economically ruined by the other in war. I disagree. Both countries would move into a war economy, which requires much less cash so long as materials and labor are utilized from within. There is nothing to stop "mysterious" buyers from snapping up US treasuries if China dumps them. There is no problem keeping the Chinese working when US markets become off limits to China. In such a scenario I again would bet on the US. The US has more natural resources than China. Though China has more industry than the US that can change quickly. Even now there are empty steel plants across the US that still contain their crucibles and all the major components to start producing steel again in a matter of a few months or even weeks if the government desires it. Industry does not function without natural resources and the US has more than China. Much of China's resources are imported by sea and the US can positively and unequivocally prevent all seaborne trade with China. China could gain back much of those lost resources by trading with Russia, which allows a land route for supply. But it is a long route through remote areas and each set of rail road tracks only support so much tonnage. Not to mention such long routes are vulnerable to interdiction (I couldn't imagine the US being able to interdict too awfully much this deep into the interior, but long range missiles and stealth aircraft might complicate the movement of materials to some extent). One ace the US has is that it is more than capable of feeding its own people and China is not. There is a reason China has been hoarding grains. They know they are vulnerable in that respect. The US can stop all sea borne traffic to China and that leaves China in something of a pickle in regards to food. I would not be surprised to see a war with China lead to a Chinese invasion of South-east Asia to gain access to rice land and extend the reach of their air force. A naval blockade on China. How will the US Navy protect the carrier groups in such a situation from cruise missile attacks? You don't think our navy would park our capital ships 10 miles off China's coast and await destruction do you? Carriers are vulnerable to missile attack, but their flexibility in use allows them to still participate in war. A carrier group basically sees and controls the waters for 500 miles in every direction. That is standard operating procedure to prevent missile attack from sea and air platforms. That also happens to be the strike range of unrefueled F18s. A carrier group can thus interdict sea traffic over an area of one million square miles. Put one carrier group in the Indian ocean and one in the Pacific somewhere East of Japan and shipping to China is effectively cut off. Nobody close to China will be shipping to her because they don't want her to control the South China sea. Carrier groups in such locations will be far, far out of range of Chinese land based cruise missiles (most have ranges of only 3-500 miles). Only long range bombers could fly so far from China to deliver cruise missiles, and frankly a bomber against a carrier is the kind of defensive warfare that carrier groups are designed for. Chinese surface ships would be foolish to sail into the blue and go toe to toe with a carrier group. Their position will be known at all times and their own missiles will be pitted against not only US missiles, but also US aircraft from the carrier deck. That's suicide. This leaves only submarines. They are a threat. I'd like to point out that during war games the carrier group sinks something like 100 subs for every one that scores a hit on a carrier. Based on this you'd need 1000 subs to hit each of America's carriers, and some would take the torpedo and not only survive but be able to remain in the fight. what it boils down to is this. The navy will not put the carriers into a losing situation. They're useful elsewhere so why put them in range of ground based missiles? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69355732 United States05/30/2015 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China is expanding and accumulating vast wealth. They have business dealings all over the world. Most of US manufacturing was shipped there. They are hacking into US companies and stealing trade secrets. Millions of Chinese have businesses in the US and all over the world. Millions of them have gone to top US and European universities. I don't know who would win in a war between the US and China. China also has nukes Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68500224 China has too many internal factions. China's greatest fear--and rightly so--is chaos. Which they'll get in spades. Wildfires often get out of control. |
