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Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration

 
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Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
For nearly two decades, the U.S. Army has provided an honor guard for an Independence Day celebration at a Baptist church that predates the founding of the nation. But this year – that tradition has come to an end.

Officials at Fort Gordon say they will not be able to send an honor guard to a July 5th service at Abilene Baptist Church because it violates a military policy banning any involvement in a religious service.

“While there are conditions under which the Army can participate in events conducted at a house of worship, we cannot participate in the context of a religious service,” Public Affairs Officer J.C. Mathews told me.

He said officials at Fort Gordon as well as the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate reviewed the church’s request and determined they were in fact holding a “religious service.”

“As a result, the Army is not permitted to take part,” Mathews said.

That policy would be an offense to most churches in America – but it is especially offensive when you consider the Army just refused to provide an honor guard for a church whose first pastor was a chaplain in the Revolutionary Army.

Abilene Baptist Church was founded in 1774 – one of Georgia’s most historic churches and the second oldest in the state. The founding pastor was arrested by a colonial magistrate for “preaching in Georgia” and the first pastor, Reverend Loveless Savage, was a chaplain in the Revolutionary Army.

“It was an absolute shock,” said Brad Whitt, the current pastor of Abilene Baptist Church. “What a sad commentary on the state of affairs in America – when we cannot even allow the flags to fly if they are in a church building.”

“We’ve had a tremendous working relationship with the fort,” he told me. “We’ve hosted all sorts of events for military families. We really try to show our love and respect and we try to honor our military folks.”

The July 5th church service is scheduled to be a “God and Country”-themed celebration with patriotic music and lots of red, white and blue. Afterwards, the church is hosting a Sunday picnic – complete with hot dogs and hamburgers. And for the sake of full disclosure, I’ve been invited to speak at the church service – as well as eat a hamburger afterwards.

Pastor Whitt said they were genuinely confused by the Army’s slight – seeing how Fort Gordon has been providing an honor guard for the past 20 years.

“They have participated for the past two decades and now they are saying – no,” he said. “This is just another example of the secularization of America.”

[link to www.foxnews.com]
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
May God have mercy on this country!
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P.c garbage!thanks bill
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
You guys need to repeal the establishment clause
our founders felt was so badly needed.

Then you can establish the Baptist religion as
the favored religion in America.

And that particular Baptist Church as the Ft Gordon's
most favored church.
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
Bet Mikey Weinstein is involved even if just to avoid his griping. Mikey never complains much about other religions. Wonder why?
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
What if every church in Augusta wanted one?
There are about 500 churches within a 40 minute
drive of Augusta.

What if a mosque wanted and honor guard?
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
So if a military honor guard can celebrate gay pride in a public parade, why can’t they celebrate American pride inside a Baptist church?

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Because one is a religious event and one isn't. It explains it in the article up there...
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A tax exempt organization asking for handouts.

Replace church with welfare recipient.

Now what is your opinion?
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What the hell happened to my country?
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
What if every church in Augusta wanted one?
There are about 500 churches within a 40 minute
drive of Augusta.

What if a mosque wanted and honor guard?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69461528


What would be the problem? It's in celebration of the 4th of July!

As for a mosque, I highly doubt they want anything to do with the US military, but if they suddenly became patriotic to the country and wanted to celebrate July 4th, then they too should have one.
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
So if a military honor guard can celebrate gay pride in a public parade, why can’t they celebrate American pride inside a Baptist church?

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 Quoting: Switcher


Because one is a religious event and one isn't. It explains it in the article up there...
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Your post explains the current mess that is the UK.
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What the hell happened to my country?
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
You guys need to repeal the establishment clause
our founders felt was so badly needed.

Then you can establish the Baptist religion as
the favored religion in America.

And that particular Baptist Church as the Ft Gordon's
most favored church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69461528


No one is suggesting your stupid idea. However, what is wrong with a church celebrating the 4th by showing pride and support for our military? The military showing up at a church for an Honor Guard is not a declaration of support for the Baptist, or any other, religion. IT IS AN HONOR GUARD for the FLAG that happens to be flying at a church.
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closer to the rapture of the church...sweet!
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May God have mercy on this country!
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The Desolation of Obamanation

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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
Psa_111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

where on earth do these people get off calling THEMSELVES Reverend? That is a title for GOD, not men

and Loveless Savage? ...come on.. if that is not a fictional name, I dont know what would be.
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
What if every church in Augusta wanted one?
There are about 500 churches within a 40 minute
drive of Augusta.

What if a mosque wanted and honor guard?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69461528


What would be the problem? It's in celebration of the 4th of July!

As for a mosque, I highly doubt they want anything to do with the US military, but if they suddenly became patriotic to the country and wanted to celebrate July 4th, then they too should have one.
 Quoting: Nameless 8533752


No''fuck the mosques

We have a tradition here that was never challenged before. Not until the evil Muzzie took over.
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
Don't know if this will help. Call your local high school ROTC program to see if the will send an honor guard. My 2 sons are Marine ROTC and do it every year. Also Memorial Day, parades, etc. Give it a try. They are pretty professional for kids as well. Hope that helps.
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Re: Army Refuses to provide Honor Guard for Church July 4th Celebration
Don't know if this will help. Call your local high school ROTC program to see if the will send an honor guard. My 2 sons are Marine ROTC and do it every year. Also Memorial Day, parades, etc. Give it a try. They are pretty professional for kids as well. Hope that helps.
 Quoting: StankinJankins


Thanks for the suggestion but our Knights of Columbus council perform that service for us. I was posting the story just so people know how far we have and continue to fall under this POTUS.
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