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Terrifying-- SB 277 SIGNED INTO LAW

 
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And how does it help to require all to have vaccines? If your kid is vaccinated, why do you care if my kid isn't?
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Because your kid infects babys and kids with disabilities who can't be vaccinated. You people on this site are complete idiots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64193282


Awww, bless you heart.



You actually think your smart.




You know, people would actually give a shit, now have access to hundreds of studies and published papers showing the actual effects and consequences of vaccines.

Thus the reason you don't understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52140117


Might want to research the difference between your and you're before your next tirade... Just saying.

Vaccines are not all bad. They serve a purpose and are all not developed with population control in mind.

Just saying...
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You're absolutely correct on that point, now about the safe vaccines, show me one study that proves any vaccine to be safe and effective.

Just one will do.
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californians deserved everything they get...
for being UBER liberals...FORCED VACCINATION and NO FREEDOM for you bodies!!!!...Enjoy... or move out....ha ha
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This may have been posted today at some point, but California signed SB277 into law this morning. This is really scary.

[link to abc7news.com]

[link to www.forbes.com]
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Crap. Now have to make tough decision...my little girl starts this fall and no shots to date. Very healthy and never sick.
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mmm where i live this have been mandatory for 25-30years...

you cant have a kid in public or private school if it doesnt have all the vaccines.

the original vaccine card is required when enrolling kids.

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First they came for the Jews ....

Like the flag, this isn't just about injections forced on kids. (What about those who work, and can't home school?)

If you value your freedom, GET OUT OF AMERICA, take your family. Never mind where you go, just GET OUT, NOW, is what I would do.
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Great!! Can we come to YOUR house, then? THANKS!!
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Because your kid infects babys and kids with disabilities who can't be vaccinated. You people on this site are complete idiots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64193282


Awww, bless you heart.



You actually think your smart.




You know, people would actually give a shit, now have access to hundreds of studies and published papers showing the actual effects and consequences of vaccines.

Thus the reason you don't understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52140117


Might want to research the difference between your and you're before your next tirade... Just saying.

Vaccines are not all bad. They serve a purpose and are all not developed with population control in mind.

Just saying...
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot



You're absolutely correct on that point, now about the safe vaccines, show me one study that proves any vaccine to be safe and effective.

Just one will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52140117


More to the point:

Show me which ones are safe and which are potentially harmful.

The problem is not that some vaccines are harmful, it is that there is such a shroud of secrecy and misinformation about vaccines that we, good honest parents, don't know what the fuck we're looking at when it comes to our kid's/kids' health.

This lack of knowledge leads to knee-jerk reactions on the part of us conspiracy theorist minded folk.

I would caution against that and merely suggest we pool resources to find the real culprits.

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Sorry, thanks Abi.

I came here and was shocked something wasn't already pinned about this.
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To the SCOTUS in 3, 2, 1...
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I'm thankful I don't live in California. But I do worry about all of the states adopting this practice.
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your an idiot
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You're* an idiot.
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Spelling deficiency no doubt caused by vaccinations!
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If your kid gets damaged you're still stuck with the kid for life. Very sad news.
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Though only a few states call it mandatory it is already difficult to enroll without their vaccine record is up to date and is enforced by threat of family services being involved in many states as it is.

You can't go to school without all your vaccinations in MA. If you refuse vaccinations you xould very well lose your kids for a while.
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I remember grade school back in the late 1950's early 1960's. Vaccination time was all students lined up. No outs unless the school nurse detected you were sick. No one questioned or had a choice. Parents were thankful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69488633


That was before they began putting the "good" stuff into a bunch of really "bad" stuff. When you got a vaccination, that is all you got. No medical engineering or guinea pigging of children.

I remember standing in line to get my polio sugar cube. It was sort of holiday-ish, we'd been told that we were a part of History but we really didn't understand what it was all about. The stuff on the sugar cube tasted like a gas station bathroom smells, but the sugar cube made it OK.
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To the person who gave me negative karma stating, "Get vacinated douche bag"- thank you for the laugh tonight. And also it is vaccinated*


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If a douche bag got vaccinated, wouldn't that cause it to leak? :salad1:
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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I have a fried who is big into all the anti-vaxx stuff and she said that this also includes being able to ban unvaccinated adults from workplaces? Anyone know if this is true?
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Its not in the bill as far as I can see.

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Just wait for it...requirement for obtaining a driver's license or for employment. Hilarious!obama9
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The point is that parental rights are essentially being stripped slowly but surely.
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No, the point is that you're an entitled douche if you don't vaccinate your child and the push them out into the wild world to get sick or get others sick.

If you rely on public funds (e.g., public education) you have no right to complain when the government--that's us, the taxpayers--require you to do something before receiving that benefit.


How many of you bitching about this also think it's a good idea to drug test those on welfare? Same principle. If you don't like it, send your kid to private school or homeschool them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61010678


Interesting. You used a lot of words that amount to "I think I know the science, risks, trade-offs in costs and benefits, better than you. Therefore I have the right to impose my viewpoint upon you to restrict your parental rights. Further I have the right to not take responsibility for any damages caused by my being wrong."

You see, the science isn't settled on vaccination. The principle of vaccination is sound, but the manufacturing of vaccines frequently produce an unsafe product. As does the practice of administering multiple vaccines at the same time.

Many parents don't want to be the "beta testers" for a vaccine that later turns out to "have some issues".

It's not like deciding to not to give a diabetic child insulin if they need it. That results in a clear determinist result.

It's not like that at all.

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Every administration of every vaccine on any particular child is experimental, no matter how healthy that child is:

We maintain this is a responsible and ethically justifiable position for the following reasons:

· -vaccination is a medical intervention performed on a healthy child that has the ability to result in injury or death of that child;

· -the fact that there can be no guarantee that the deliberate introduction of killed or live microorganisms into the body of a healthy child will not compromise the health or cause the death of that child, either immediately or in the future;

· -no predictors have been identified by medical science that can give advance warning that injury or death may occur in any individual child;

· -there are no guarantees that the vaccine will indeed protect the child from contracting a disease;

· -there is an absence of adequate scientific knowledge regarding the way vaccines singly, or in combination, act in the human body at the cellular and molecular level.

Therefore, we believe that vaccination is a medical procedure that could reasonably be termed as experimental each time it is performed on a healthy child.
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Sorry, thanks Abi.

I came here and was shocked something wasn't already pinned about this.
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To the SCOTUS in 3, 2, 1...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69498478


They won't see the case. They have already determined that the mandate is constitutional in the other two states.

Also I am laughing at some of these replies saying it's great these kids won't be in schools so all the infants and elderly and cancer patients will now be safe away from those who are not vaccinated.

For one, most adults are not up-to-date and do not have complete immunity to almost all of these diseases.

Secondly, by removing the children from schools...doesn't mean they are removed from the rest of society. Last I checked infants and the elderly don't hang out inside of K-12 classrooms. These children forced out of schools and into their own "homeschools" will undoubtedly show up in parks, zoos, pools and the like.. potentially "exposing" their "deadly" viruses to a even wider range of people. gg fools.
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Anti- Vax parents have such low standards. As long as their kid doesn't die they're doing a great job
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Are you fucking serious?

Yes, a parent who manages to keep their own children alive ARE doing a great job.

Don't you think there should be a significant amount of evidence that not vaccinating children increases their risk of dying before taking away a parents right to decide how to raise their own children?

I support any parent that chooses to vaccinate their children, as long as they aren't doing so just because their doctor tells them to. If a parent has researched the issue and weighed the risks, benefits, and consequences for not vaccinating, and then decide that they're going to vaccinate their kids anyway, they should have that right.

The evidence for and against is mixed, it's not a settled issue. Gardasil versus the tetanus vaccine is a perfect example. Kids have an increased risk of getting tetanus, as they tend to be more physically active outdoors than adults. The relative safety of the DPT vaccine versus the consequences of a child getting tetanus make choosing to give a child that vaccine pretty defensible.

Gardasil is a whole 'nother beast, one being ramrodded down people's throats by Merck. Since this vaccine is likely to be made mandatory, lets take a look at the details.

This is from the Gardasil website:
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IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION

Anyone who is allergic to the ingredients of GARDASIL, including those severely allergic to yeast, should not receive the vaccine. GARDASIL is not for women who are pregnant.

The side effects include pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site, headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, and fainting. Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your child’s health care professional may ask your child to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after he or she gets GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. This may require evaluation or treatment by your child’s health care professional.

Only a doctor or health care professional can decide if GARDASIL is right for your child.
---------------
[link to www.gardasil.com] *

> Some people who faint might shake or become stiff.

That's not called "fainting", that's a seizure.

So the risk of fainting and/or seizure after being given Gardasil is great enough to require Merck to advise physicians to have patients lie down for 15 minutes after receiving it.

We can clearly see where Merck is in the discussion of parents rights based on the last line in the warning, "Only a doctor or health care professional can decide if GARDASIL is right for your child." Only a doctor can decide. Not parents. Parents decisions/opinions don't merit mention by Merck.

Despite 15,000 adverse-event reports, 3,000 injuries, 48 deaths and speculation that its long-term effects could include infertility, Merck lobbyists tried to get its Gardasil vaccine mandated for sixth-grade girls in every state. Merck was pushing for making the vaccine mandatory even before it had been approved in 2006. They only stopped pushing the issue in 2007 when it became clear that protests were damaging sales of the vaccine.

Yet making Gardasil mandatory is still actively being promoted by pharmaceutical groups, and Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, has already made it mandatory by executive order. California is one of the states considering making it mandatory.

Making it mandatory doesn't make it work though, although it does guarantee a revenue stream for Merck. Gardasil sales turned Merck's finances around in 2007, allowing it's CFO of 17 years to retire in "victory".

Unfortunately, an ex-Merck physician, Dr. Bernard Dalbergue warned that Gardasil would eventually be recognized as the greatest medical scandal of all time.

“The full extent of the Gardasil scandal needs to be assessed: everyone knew when this vaccine was released on the American market that it would prove to be worthless. Diane Harper, a major opinion leader in the United States, was one of the first to blow the whistle, pointing out the fraud and scam of it all. I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all time because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine, technical and scientific feat that it may be, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers. Gardasil is useless and costs a fortune! In addition, decision-makers at all levels are aware of it! Cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, paralysis of the lower limbs, vaccine-induced MS and vaccine-induced encephalitis can be found, whatever the vaccine.” - [link to ddata.over-blog.com] *

Dr. Marica Angell, "It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine" - [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] *

Dr. Angell is a physician and author, along with being the first woman to serve as editor-in-chief of one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world.

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* - All quotes represent less than 50% of documents cited. Emphasis added. Edited for readability.

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To die would be an awfully big adventure.
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Asking for a pin, and bump!
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Qui to both. Got lucky on the timing.

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This may have been posted today at some point, but California signed SB277 into law this morning. This is really scary.

[link to abc7news.com]

[link to www.forbes.com]
 Quoting: cegipson


I don't even live in the US, and I find this very disturbing.

We can't even homeschool here, if this would spread here, (thank god I have no kids yet) I would have to start looking for a new country,
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Just say you have converted to Islam and it is against your religion.
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WE just forge the vaccination card.... been doing it for YEARS
UH OH! Hey NWO- more of us have been hip to your vaccine delivered soft kill for longer than you think...
MAny nurses squirt that shit in the sink and fake a pin prick for those "in the know"

Get the lot number from a vile of the soft kill vaccination (hard part) write it on there and make an unitelligble chicken scratch doctors signature and yer fine..
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nicknamed "Autism lottery bill"
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Yet even More evidence that ONLY fools live in Califagistan.
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Mandatory vaccine bills have also been put forward in Texas and a few other states. Mandatory vaccines bills for adults is right around the corner.

A relative has her children enrolled in a charter school in California, 40% of the students are unvaccinated, the school will have to close down, as the parents will be homeschooling. What happened in California, was nothing short of obscene tyranny. Replacing a senator at the last moment who would have voted no. You can't make this shit up. Senator Pan needs to be bitch slapped and given the 49 vaccines he's giving to children by the time they're age 6. The rich people will home school and the poor kids will be vaccinated and suffer the consequences.

"They say “Everything’s bigger in Texas.” It appears that Texas wants the biggest and most intrusive mandatory vaccination policies in the U.S. as well, as no less than NINE bills are currently being considered in Texas for forced and coerced vaccinations, according to the National Vaccine Information Center.

If you live in Texas and do NOT believe that one of the things that should be “bigger in Texas” is GOVERNMENT intrusion into your private lives, then you better high tail it over to Austin this week and let lawmakers know! Lawmakers in Texas want to force EVERYONE to register with the State and declare their vaccine status!"

[link to healthimpactnews.com]
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Asking for a pin, and bump!
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bump
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."
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Sorry, thanks Abi.

I came here and was shocked something wasn't already pinned about this.
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To the SCOTUS in 3, 2, 1...
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SCOTUS will side with tyranny they always do.
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Just say you have converted to Islam and it is against your religion.
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Bingo I am sure all the Muslims will be exempt.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."
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What with all this drama about vaccination?

In Brazil vaccination is also mandatory and we never had problems. You guys are all paranoic.