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The people who DODGED the Vietnam draft are the REAL HEROES. | |
| KhansWeakerHalfBrother Offer Upgrade  User ID: 67826672  Czechia07/18/2015 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Jeffersons Blackberry User ID: 10713503  United States07/18/2015 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So were do you stand on the French being and fighting in Vietnam in the 50s? Or the Australians? Brow beating the US into the conflicted. Pier pressure? Allied forces? China snuffing capitalism? That loss can teach you more than you realize.  “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”; Thomas Jefferson |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69808975  Australia07/19/2015 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother So, serving in the military and serving in the war was an illegal act, and had nothing to do with "protecting" America or its people. Those who dodged the draft or got out of it were the real heros. They were not cowards, just people who realized they were going to be slaughtered by their criminal government for nothing and serve against their country's best interest. Those who served either didn't have the knowledge, facts, wherewithal or ability to get out of it. Many bought into the propaganda. Sadly, they paid the price. I feel sorry for them, and many of them performed bravely and acted as heroes once on the battlefield -- albeit they were fighting for the criminals in our government, and not for her people. Now, today, the propaganda still carries on, as we are expected to bow to criminal traitors like John McCain and call them "heroes" -- this preps the mindless population of the U.S. for more unjust wars, like the Iraq / Afghanistan invasions (which Trump was against from Day One, let's not forget). yuh, a lot of vietnam and any other war vets would agree with you, but we're trained to OBEY from birth, I'm sorry people couldn't or didn't see thru conscription. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41210067 United States07/19/2015 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother So, serving in the military and serving in the war was an illegal act, and had nothing to do with "protecting" America or its people. Those who dodged the draft or got out of it were the real heros. They were not cowards, just people who realized they were going to be slaughtered by their criminal government for nothing and serve against their country's best interest. Those who served either didn't have the knowledge, facts, wherewithal or ability to get out of it. Many bought into the propaganda. Sadly, they paid the price. I feel sorry for them, and many of them performed bravely and acted as heroes once on the battlefield -- albeit they were fighting for the criminals in our government, and not for her people. Now, today, the propaganda still carries on, as we are expected to bow to criminal traitors like John McCain and call them "heroes" -- this preps the mindless population of the U.S. for more unjust wars, like the Iraq / Afghanistan invasions (which Trump was against from Day One, let's not forget). Vietnam was a democrat war. JFK and LBJ own that one. The democrats also own the draft. Charlie Rangel (democrat) wants to reinstate it. So, if war and the draft piss you off, how about putting blame where it belongs - ON THE FUCKING DEMOCRAT PARTY! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 61010678 United States07/19/2015 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24604249 United States07/19/2015 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No reasoning with patriotard "logic". 'Murcan soldiers invading other people's countries who get killed by someone defending their homeland....somehow the dead soldier is the hero. But then ask them if they would try to kill soldiers invading the USA and they will say absolutely. Then ask them if the invader they just killed should be considered a hero. When they say no take them to the first part of this argument. Their heads will explode. Or more than likely they will shut down their brain and call you a commie. Or some lame shit such as that. They think "patriotism" is some holy sacred emotion they were born with, rather than what it is: a psy op the politicians use to get the lemmings to do the banksters bidding. Of course telling people who have invested their whole lives into the psy op will never see it. Religion and patriotism are control mechanisms. The two oldest psy ops known to man. |
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| blubberbutt User ID: 68689557 United States07/19/2015 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother So, serving in the military and serving in the war was an illegal act, and had nothing to do with "protecting" America or its people. Those who dodged the draft or got out of it were the real heros. They were not cowards, just people who realized they were going to be slaughtered by their criminal government for nothing and serve against their country's best interest. Those who served either didn't have the knowledge, facts, wherewithal or ability to get out of it. Many bought into the propaganda. Sadly, they paid the price. I feel sorry for them, and many of them performed bravely and acted as heroes once on the battlefield -- albeit they were fighting for the criminals in our government, and not for her people. Now, today, the propaganda still carries on, as we are expected to bow to criminal traitors like John McCain and call them "heroes" -- this preps the mindless population of the U.S. for more unjust wars, like the Iraq / Afghanistan invasions (which Trump was against from Day One, let's not forget).  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41210067 United States07/19/2015 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother What about the deal 0bama just gave away with Iran? Do you feel sorry for those who will be atomized in the coming nuclear exchange in the ME? 0bama just started a nuclear arms race in the ME. Ultimately, these weapons will be used. Millions will be murdered. If you truly lament killing, why are you going back 45 years when 0bama is brewing so much trouble right in front of your fucking nose? With what 0bama just did, we're not talking about tens of thousands of dead - we're talking MILLIONS. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68744372 United States07/19/2015 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who were drafted and ordered to go to war and kill people against their better nature, and then did so, are the true victims. I'm so glad the draft has ended, and hope it never returns. It is the worst form of tyranny, to make someone kill people who doesn't think it is right to do so. The conscientious objectors are to be commended, and those who fled the country are doing doing what many of our forefathers did when their home countries became war-mongering, such as Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany. Many German young men immigrated to the US to avoid the draft and the wars. In England and much of Europe there was no way to be a conscientious objector. Refusing to serve meant you got a long prison sentence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68744372 United States07/19/2015 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother What about the deal 0bama just gave away with Iran? Do you feel sorry for those who will be atomized in the coming nuclear exchange in the ME? 0bama just started a nuclear arms race in the ME. Ultimately, these weapons will be used. Millions will be murdered. If you truly lament killing, why are you going back 45 years when 0bama is brewing so much trouble right in front of your fucking nose? With what 0bama just did, we're not talking about tens of thousands of dead - we're talking MILLIONS. I disagree that Iran will develop a nuclear weapon under this new deal. And even if they do doesn't mean they will use them. The US is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons against another country. Why isn't the US being sanctioned and monitored? It could happen again if we aren't watched. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69807186 United States07/19/2015 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother What about the deal 0bama just gave away with Iran? Do you feel sorry for those who will be atomized in the coming nuclear exchange in the ME? 0bama just started a nuclear arms race in the ME. Ultimately, these weapons will be used. Millions will be murdered. If you truly lament killing, why are you going back 45 years when 0bama is brewing so much trouble right in front of your fucking nose? With what 0bama just did, we're not talking about tens of thousands of dead - we're talking MILLIONS. Maybe Iran needs nukes to protect themselves just like America needs nukes to protect themselves. |
| KhansWeakerHalfBrother (OP) User ID: 67826672 Czechia07/19/2015 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No reasoning with patriotard "logic". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24604249 'Murcan soldiers invading other people's countries who get killed by someone defending their homeland....somehow the dead soldier is the hero. But then ask them if they would try to kill soldiers invading the USA and they will say absolutely. Then ask them if the invader they just killed should be considered a hero. When they say no take them to the first part of this argument. Their heads will explode. Or more than likely they will shut down their brain and call you a commie. Or some lame shit such as that. They think "patriotism" is some holy sacred emotion they were born with, rather than what it is: a psy op the politicians use to get the lemmings to do the banksters bidding. Of course telling people who have invested their whole lives into the psy op will never see it. Religion and patriotism are control mechanisms. The two oldest psy ops known to man. Everything you said is the truth. Trump is deprogramming people, too, it's wonderful. |
| KhansWeakerHalfBrother (OP) User ID: 67826672 Czechia07/19/2015 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You "feel sorry for them". Those who served in the dodgers place. How elitist of you. Quoting: ThereRMeds4That What don't you go make your case in person at the nearest VFW hall. I do feel sorry for them. They were sheep following what their evil leaders said. They were brainwashed that going and fighting in war -- no matter what, not questioning it -- is the most patriotic thing you can do. 'Born on the 4th of July' is a good movie that illustrates this. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69803881 United States07/19/2015 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So were do you stand on the French being and fighting in Vietnam in the 50s? Or the Australians? Quoting: Jeffersons Blackberry Brow beating the US into the conflicted. Pier pressure? Allied forces? China snuffing capitalism? That loss can teach you more than you realize. It just shows that the french and the austalian governments are satanic as well |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69803881 United States07/19/2015 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69487427 United States07/19/2015 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother So, serving in the military and serving in the war was an illegal act, and had nothing to do with "protecting" America or its people. Those who dodged the draft or got out of it were the real heros. They were not cowards, just people who realized they were going to be slaughtered by their criminal government for nothing and serve against their country's best interest. Those who served either didn't have the knowledge, facts, wherewithal or ability to get out of it. Many bought into the propaganda. Sadly, they paid the price. I feel sorry for them, and many of them performed bravely and acted as heroes once on the battlefield -- albeit they were fighting for the criminals in our government, and not for her people. Now, today, the propaganda still carries on, as we are expected to bow to criminal traitors like John McCain and call them "heroes" -- this preps the mindless population of the U.S. for more unjust wars, like the Iraq / Afghanistan invasions (which Trump was against from Day One, let's not forget). Vietnam was a democrat war. JFK and LBJ own that one. The democrats also own the draft. Charlie Rangel (democrat) wants to reinstate it. So, if war and the draft piss you off, how about putting blame where it belongs - ON THE FUCKING DEMOCRAT PARTY! Left/RightTard  |
| ThereRMeds4That User ID: 68649948 United States07/19/2015 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You "feel sorry for them". Those who served in the dodgers place. How elitist of you. Quoting: ThereRMeds4That What don't you go make your case in person at the nearest VFW hall. I do feel sorry for them. They were sheep following what their evil leaders said. They were brainwashed that going and fighting in war -- no matter what, not questioning it -- is the most patriotic thing you can do. 'Born on the 4th of July' is a good movie that illustrates this. They weren't sheep who followed their leaders unquestioningly, not all of them anyway. Many of them were young men without the options and resources available to them that the dodgers utilized. Seen the movie, as a matter of fact, we own it. I'm not arguing whether or not the country should have been Vietnam, it's irrelevant, we were and the govt was going to send someone to fight there. I stand behind the fact that your comment sounds elitist, I still encourage you to engage in this debate, with the same words you used here at your local VFW hall. How many of the draft dodgers who allowed one of these Veterans to be sent in their place also spit on them when they returned, or refused to welcome home a now disfigured old friend, shouted baby killer to a service member on leave. How many dodgers who were pursuing grad degrees or getting a head start on their careers in Canada offered the draftee who went in their place a job when they returned? You can see this behavior in the movie Born on the 4th too. Last Edited by ThereRMeds4That on 07/19/2015 11:43 AM Some Shepherds remain hidden from their sheep. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States07/19/2015 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who were drafted and ordered to go to war and kill people against their better nature, and then did so, are the true victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68744372 I'm so glad the draft has ended, and hope it never returns. It is the worst form of tyranny, to make someone kill people who doesn't think it is right to do so. The conscientious objectors are to be commended, and those who fled the country are doing doing what many of our forefathers did when their home countries became war-mongering, such as Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany. Many German young men immigrated to the US to avoid the draft and the wars. In England and much of Europe there was no way to be a conscientious objector. Refusing to serve meant you got a long prison sentence. So there was a way to be a conscientious objector. I would gladly take a long prison sentence than be forced to murder someone. Even if the government gives you a death sentence there is still a choice. It is called standing your ground no matter what. |
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| ThereRMeds4That User ID: 68649948 United States07/19/2015 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who were drafted and ordered to go to war and kill people against their better nature, and then did so, are the true victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68744372 I'm so glad the draft has ended, and hope it never returns. It is the worst form of tyranny, to make someone kill people who doesn't think it is right to do so. The conscientious objectors are to be commended, and those who fled the country are doing doing what many of our forefathers did when their home countries became war-mongering, such as Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany. Many German young men immigrated to the US to avoid the draft and the wars. In England and much of Europe there was no way to be a conscientious objector. Refusing to serve meant you got a long prison sentence. So there was a way to be a conscientious objector. I would gladly take a long prison sentence than be forced to murder someone. Even if the government gives you a death sentence there is still a choice. It is called standing your ground no matter what.  Some Shepherds remain hidden from their sheep. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69094264 United States07/19/2015 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True heroes will stand up to this tyranny and oppose it. Our Military is suppose to protect us from foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. Have they done that? Nope. |
| KhansWeakerHalfBrother (OP) User ID: 67826672 Czechia07/19/2015 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Wars are for money and resources. Controlled and instigated by the rich elite. It is not heroic to serve under a controlled Military who are dogs and slaves of the bankers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69094264 True heroes will stand up to this tyranny and oppose it. Our Military is suppose to protect us from foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. Have they done that? Nope. Correct. They've mindlessly served Mammon instead, and froth and go crazy if you question their "service". Iraq was unjust and the whole military should have stormed the White House lawn and hung Bush and Cheney. Last Edited by TrumpsVeryHighIQCat on 07/19/2015 11:57 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68744372 United States07/19/2015 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who were drafted and ordered to go to war and kill people against their better nature, and then did so, are the true victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68744372 I'm so glad the draft has ended, and hope it never returns. It is the worst form of tyranny, to make someone kill people who doesn't think it is right to do so. The conscientious objectors are to be commended, and those who fled the country are doing doing what many of our forefathers did when their home countries became war-mongering, such as Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany. Many German young men immigrated to the US to avoid the draft and the wars. In England and much of Europe there was no way to be a conscientious objector. Refusing to serve meant you got a long prison sentence. So there was a way to be a conscientious objector. I would gladly take a long prison sentence than be forced to murder someone. Even if the government gives you a death sentence there is still a choice. It is called standing your ground no matter what. I agree. The long prison sentence for not serving was the primary reason they left their country when there was the draft. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69793452  Germany07/19/2015 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Vietnam War was a criminal act by the U.S. government, an illegal and unjust war, and a violation of the Constitution. Quoting: KhansWeakerHalfBrother So, serving in the military and serving in the war was an illegal act, and had nothing to do with "protecting" America or its people. Those who dodged the draft or got out of it were the real heros. They were not cowards, just people who realized they were going to be slaughtered by their criminal government for nothing and serve against their country's best interest. Those who served either didn't have the knowledge, facts, wherewithal or ability to get out of it. Many bought into the propaganda. Sadly, they paid the price. I feel sorry for them, and many of them performed bravely and acted as heroes once on the battlefield -- albeit they were fighting for the criminals in our government, and not for her people. Now, today, the propaganda still carries on, as we are expected to bow to criminal traitors like John McCain and call them "heroes" -- this preps the mindless population of the U.S. for more unjust wars, like the Iraq / Afghanistan invasions (which Trump was against from Day One, let's not forget). I'll  this |
