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September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC

 
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September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
why? due to threats? did they have enough time to cut losses before 9/11?
does anyone know more about this?

Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]
[link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]
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why? due to threats? did they have enough time to cut losses before 9/11?
does anyone know more about this?

Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]
[link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]
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all covered here:


911 Mysteries - Demolitions (Part 1 of 3)
[link to video.google.com]

part II
[link to video.google.com]

part III
[link to video.google.com]
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
That's when the explosive charges were planted in the central core.

They probably used laminated plastic explosives consisting of fast burning and slow burning shaped charges to punch a hole in the concrete then cut through the main support beam.

They probably placed 47 charges on floor 10, then another 47 on 20, and so on through the 60th floors, left the remaing floors open through 90th, then picked up again on the 100th floor and the roof.

2 teams of 4 could have rigged each tower in 8 to 12 hours.
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
thanks for the links. but this would show that someone had prior knowledge?
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
That's when the explosive charges were planted in the central core.

They probably used laminated plastic explosives consisting of fast burning and slow burning shaped charges to punch a hole in the concrete then cut through the main support beam.

They probably placed 47 charges on floor 10, then another 47 on 20, and so on through the 60th floors, left the remaing floors open through 90th, then picked up again on the 100th floor and the roof.

2 teams of 4 could have rigged each tower in 8 to 12 hours.
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wouldn't they have to get by security?
the central core? isn't that the area that was on fire in 1993 bombing? it spread three floors? there's eough room for electrical work to be done or people to walk through, correct?
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So how come you can read a memorial website to a sniffer dog that died on 9/11?


BTW, do some research, find the site for yourself. You know NO, "the gov' did it" website will mention this, as it DISPROVES another lie.



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So how come you can read a memorial website to a sniffer dog that died on 9/11?
BTW, do some research, find the site for yourself. You know NO, "the gov' did it" website will mention this, as it DISPROVES another lie.
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a bomb sniffer dog died on 9/11?

it disproves another lie? so it's the truth?
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I love the way that any unproven staement is accepted as fact because it re-inforces your pre-determined opinion, yet the documented FACT that a sniffer dog died in the WTC is rejected.

What a way to find the, "truth".
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I love the way that any unproven staement is accepted as fact because it re-inforces your pre-determined opinion, yet the documented FACT that a sniffer dog died in the WTC is rejected.

What a way to find the, "truth".
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questions are facts? where does it say a dog sniffing dog died in the WTC? who is pre-determined?
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I love the way that any unproven staement is accepted as fact because it re-inforces your pre-determined opinion, yet the documented FACT that a sniffer dog died in the WTC is rejected.

What a way to find the, "truth".
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Quit freaking trying to obfuscate you paid zionist shill.

Nobody said bomb-sniffing dogs were not in the towers on 9-11.

What was said, and what is documented, is that the bombing sniffing dogs were TEMPORARILY removed from the towers for a period of time prior to 9-11.
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Do some fucking work dumbass, read the thread dumbass, then go and do some ACTUAL research, you know the kind that does not include ONLY, "the gov' did it" sites, they're very good at leaving out inconvenient facts.

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I love the way that any unproven staement is accepted as fact because it re-inforces your pre-determined opinion, yet the documented FACT that a sniffer dog died in the WTC is rejected.

What a way to find the, "truth".



Quit freaking trying to obfuscate you paid zionist shill.

Nobody said bomb-sniffing dogs were not in the towers on 9-11.

What was said, and what is documented, is that the bombing sniffing dogs were TEMPORARILY removed from the towers for a period of time prior to 9-11.
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I love it, I'm a, "zionist" cool!

Can you read fuckwit? Have you read this thread?

From the op:

"The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

What you're meant to infer from this is clear.
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Must have been sniffing too much in the wrong places.
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
Quit freaking trying to obfuscate you paid zionist shill.

Nobody said bomb-sniffing dogs were not in the towers on 9-11.

What was said, and what is documented, is that the bombing sniffing dogs were TEMPORARILY removed from the towers for a period of time prior to 9-11.
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thank you.
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From the op:

"The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

What you're meant to infer from this is clear.
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did you read the last sentence? i would think that would make it all clear enough? yes? no? maybe?

But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."
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From the op:

"The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

What you're meant to infer from this is clear.
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what is one supposed to infer from this? scratching
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
You're meant to infer the were, "abruptly removed." as in gone, not there.

The quote does NOT mention, as posted, any temporary nature to the removal. It implies that the dogs were removed to allow the placing of explosives. It is dishonest and so is repeating it without adding temporary, if that was the case.

BTW they must have been fucking useless sniffers NOT to notice the explosives at 50 miles, considering the amount needed. If you suggest the explosive used was something the dogs were not familiar with, then why would they need removing.

See the problem here?
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A single bomb-sniffing dog supposedly died within the World Trade Center complex.

[link to www.dogspeak.ca]
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Although rumours abounded, NO dogs died in the recovery effort. Sirius, a Port Authority bomb-sniffing K9 stationed at the World Trade Center, died in the building collapse.
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The official story is that this one dog was left in the basement when trouble occurred:

[link to dogsinthenews.com]
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K-9 Police Dogs Killed in WTC: 1
"Sirius", the resident bomb-sniffing dog at the World Trade Center's Port Authority K-9 Unit was below ground level when the first plane hit. His handler, Officer David Lim, told Sirius to stay in an office as he ran up the emergency stairs to investigate. Officer Lim was buried in the stairwell when the tower collapsed but was pulled from the heap by rescuers. Sirius was never found. UPDATE Jan 29, 2002: Sirius, WTC Dog, Found in Rubble
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The details of the story actually sound rather dubious, but in any case...

The primary point here is that even according to the official story, only a single bomb-sniffing dog remained in the World Trade Center, despite the many supposed threats:

[link to www.newsday.com]
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The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center.
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By the way, read that last paragraph again. According to the security guard, officials took specific steps to protect the towers against 'aerial attacks' on the 22nd floor. Clearly, someone had indeed seen the Lone Gunmen pilot.
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Oh it's dubious?

But posts all over the net based on zilch that there were no dogs there are 100% accurate although based on twisted to fit quote harvesting?

Truth? You fools ain't interested, you just want it all to fit your cozy lttle fantasy.
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In case you didn't catch my sarcasm, I consider it *extremely* unlikely that Sirius was actually in the building that day at all. Sirius was probably many miles away, or already put to 'sleep'.

The official line simply needed an explanation of why there were no bomb-sniffing dogs at all. Voila, they simply claim that one was left in the basement and died when the building collapsed. Of course, they don't explain why, with all the explosions in the period between initial damage and collapse, no one fetched him in order to sniff out further bombs.

Later, with pet lovers demanding 'closure' to their desire to canonize a dog, it was easy to dig up a dog body--maybe even Sirius'.
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But posts all over the net based on zilch that there were no dogs there are 100% accurate although based on twisted to fit quote harvesting?
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So you consider Newsday 'zilch'? You consider eyewitness testimony from a security guard 'zilch'? You must be one of those 'conspiracy theorists' that don't believe anyone but politicians.
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"In case you didn't catch my sarcasm, I consider it *extremely* unlikely that Sirius was actually in the building that day at all. Sirius was probably many miles away, or already put to 'sleep'."

What you think is irrelevant. Anyway you're just making an already ludicrously complex cospiracy more so.

Jesus, are you guys so blinded by hatred for the chimp, that you can't see that what you are proposing would make a nice Dan Brown novel, but is completely imppossible in the REAL world FFS.



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It's an exercise in futility.

Bomb sniffing dogs would have never discovered the explosives in the central core with steel reinforced concrete and other material between the explosive charges, which may have also been wrapped in aluminum packaging, and the dogs.

However, they might have alerted at the explosives as they were brought in as bulk quantities, or at people who had handled the explosives and had contact with skin and clothing.

Outside of that, the purpose of the bomb sniffing dogs was in the event a suspicious parcel or package was received by a tenant, or a briefcase, suitcase or package was left unattended near the elevators, in an elevator, near an office door or in the restrooms, the dogs could sniff the items and if they alert, security procedures go into effect, and if they don't some other procedure is used.
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"Bomb sniffing dogs would have never discovered the explosives in the central core with steel reinforced concrete and other material between the explosive charges, which may have also been wrapped in aluminum packaging, and the dogs."

Oh, so they placed all these tons of explosives around the central structure, without stripping it back, as you would need to, to allow them work effectively, or did they just pack in tons and tons of the stuff hoping? But managed to do this without leaving any trace?

Dream on.
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You're meant to infer the were, "abruptly removed." as in gone, not there.

The quote does NOT mention, as posted, any temporary nature to the removal. It implies that the dogs were removed to allow the placing of explosives. It is dishonest and so is repeating it without adding temporary, if that was the case.

BTW they must have been fucking useless sniffers NOT to notice the explosives at 50 miles, considering the amount needed. If you suggest the explosive used was something the dogs were not familiar with, then why would they need removing.

See the problem here?
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is that how you understood this? wow. why not take it at what it says rather than infer anything?

the dogs were removed the sixth and not there the 11th, what does that tell you?

you don't like dogs, do you?

remember that i am asking questions and not inferring anything.
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"Bomb sniffing dogs would have never discovered the explosives in the central core with steel reinforced concrete and other material between the explosive charges, which may have also been wrapped in aluminum packaging, and the dogs."

Oh, so they placed all these tons of explosives around the central structure, without stripping it back, as you would need to, to allow them work effectively, or did they just pack in tons and tons of the stuff hoping? But managed to do this without leaving any trace?
Dream on.
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did they take the dogs into the central core area (which is wide enough so electricians and security or whomever can walk comfortably)?

who the heck said tons of explosives? do you know how little it would take?
how do you know there weren't traces of things?
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For instance, how much money would it take to get you to kill 3,000 random, innocent Americans? Or, say you stumbled upon somebody else's plan to kill 3,000 innocent Americans. How much would it take to get you to stay silent afterward?

some will keep mouths shut just so they and/or families aren't killed actually.



there are people reading this right now who took that deal. No kidding.

you may be right, who knows?



Forget the fact that no experts on the subject agree with them.

none whatsoever?


Now, maybe you could keep the plan itself a secret. A few dozen murderous black ops guys, demolitions experts with a grudge against the USA, maybe they've been brainwashed. Who knows. Maybe it could be done. People point out that the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb was kept a secret, so why not this?

there was a Manhattan Project and people kept quiet about it???



First, picture the demolitions teams wiring up the World Trade Center towers with explosives prior to the attack.


4 to 8 men to a team.

Obviously you couldn't do it during business hours, since it'd be kind of hard to explain to the 100,000 people who worked at or visited the WTC towers on any given day why you had a huge chunk of wall torn out and were wiring up a bomb on the steel beams there.

wall not torn out odd as they were working on the electircal parts on the 9/11 date. there is a link if you'd like. so there were security as well as electricians walking in and out fixing things. then they'd had phone threats so that would be increased people checking. any one of them could have done about anything with no bomb sniffing dogs there.


I mean, keep in mind, I don't know how big of a job that would be (no one has ever demolished a building that size before) but a building just half the size of one WTC tower took 4,000 separate charges to bring down. Four thousand.


would depend on what you're using of course.


That job took seven months of prep work... and they had the run of an abandoned building, without having to hide their work from 100,000 people every day. Our demolition crew, on the other hand, can work only at night and has to spend the last bit of every shift carefully repairing the wall and hiding any evidence of charges or detonators as not to be discovered during the day.

they can work day and nigh in 12 hour shifts as the article said.


Huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring a building full of innocent New Yorkers to explode, hired in secret, worked every night for what had to be a year (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11).

you're putting out some streetchy stuff there.
And nobody notices.


Truckloads of bombs, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them.

you didn't read the aricle and go on a tribate of something off the wall. where did you get truckloads of boms? mysterious workers? they did the electricial stuff for the WTC for a bit over a month.


The theory even says it was the commander of the FDNY itself who detonated one of the buildings, and therefore he was in on the decision to kill 343 of his own firefighters and 60 police officers.

pfffttt. the officers on the first floor said there are bombs going off.

You guessed it. They were paid to stay silent. Hey, why not? Probably half a million people there, but, you know. Since we've got the checkbook out anyway...

Also, think of all of the friends and family of these paid conspirators, who suddenly see all this mysterious wealth...

...Wouldn't some rumors get started?

You've got some hypothetical professor who was about to write a paper proving the towers were demolished, suddenly coming into Powerball-sized wealth and abandoning the paper at the same time... his wife never let it slip? His kids didn't object? All his jealous colleagues who noticed the sudden new cars and new home and elaborate vacations, nobody asked questions? Nobody made an anonymous call to the IRS, just out of spite? All the bank employees who noticed thousands of mysterious deposits, all of which have to be reported to the IRS, that didn't leave a trail?


And keep in mind, this can't be chump change. Even in a world where every structural engineering desk jockey is okay with mass murder, they're still not going to risk jail and career ruin and walk away from a huge book deal for ten grand. Oh, no, it's got to be millions, per person, just to make it worth it. Even a dedicated conspirator would need to know he or she was set for life.


And here's the kicker...

100% of the people who were offered the deal, took it.


And that, is the conspiracy mindset.
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silly. you put your thought out without knowing and simply assuming.
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All were written fat checks, say the conspiracy guys, to cover up the murder of 3,000 New Yorkers.
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The above slanderous idiocy shows that its author has not been reading other threads, in which the known process of a government cover-up has been made clear.

1) Before the crime, anyone who suspects foul play is told that a 'sting' is in progress. "Don't worry," he's told; "We'll stop it before anyone gets hurt. But you'll goof up the prosecution's case if you say anything right now."

2) During the crime, anyone who suspects foul play is fleeing for his life with everyone else. That is, *if* he makes it out alive at all. Those who suspect foul play often find themselves buried under a building collapse.

3) After the crime, anyone who suspects foul play is warned that he is jeopardizing his livelihood, his own life, his liberty [imprisonment], the lives of his family, etc. "And besides," he is told, "Telling the truth may have terrible ramifications for the country. Are you really willing to take that responsibility?" And then, of course, the would-be whistleblower is told that documents can easily be prepared and leaked indicating that he, the whistleblower, played an active role in the crime.

4) Any other stray would-be whistleblowers are easily stopped short by the threat of blackmail--again, not just of themselves but of those they love, and not just truths but falsifications as well.

This formula generally works quite well. It has been eminently successful even with would-be whistleblowers who have publicly announced that they have something to say, but they are refusing to say it due to fears of job loss, imprisonment for security violation, etc. Note the case of Sibel Edmonds:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: September 6,2001 bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC
You don't know much about sniffer dogs, explosives, or demolition do you?

Also, as a typical CT beliver, you choose to be a pedant when it suits, but not all the time.

You know how it works;

Anything that can be interpreted to suggest BushCo did it, will be.

Everything else is taken as literal, and no interpretation is allowed.

This whole thread conforms to that standard from the CT proponents. But you're probably too far into the fantasy to ever notice.

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I'm just curious how they blackmail independant folks all over the world?

You posting someones theories about how these things work does not make 9/11 the work of the chimp and his cohorts.

You have a chronic inability to figure out what's evidence, and what's not.
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you don't know me and certainetly have not bothered what my thought may be on the matter. i am one who refuses to see just one side of anything. that's why, when i'm not sure, i ask.

there are people in glp that do have a lot of knowledge, least a lot more than me.





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