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More and more Americans are seeing their former constitutional republic dismantled, their rights taken, a huge USSR-like police/security state apparatus put in place, US sovereignty thrown to the wind by the globalist (e.g, no southern border = no country), the military used as a mercenary force of the globalists to force their agenda on other countries, the "mainstream media" turn into an integrated propaganda network, the social order undermined, culture/heritage/religion attacked, and deranged behavior normalized.

Do most or many Russians still view the US as a society and country to admire or do the see it more like I've just described?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I don't think Russians ever seen the US as a country to admire...

But, well, I'm not Tamonten so I'm interested in his answer, too.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I should have said as a country to serve as a model with respect to the situation after the collapse of the USSR, or something like that. That's what I meant.

But your response is interesting. What would have been a common view of the US by Russians?

As to an American view of Russia, most Americans probably know very little about Russia (many probably don't really even know where it is - sounds stupid, huh?) and what they think they know is from what they were told about the former Soviet Union.
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How much op invested in trinity crap?
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More and more Americans are seeing their former constitutional republic dismantled, their rights taken, a huge USSR-like police/security state apparatus put in place, US sovereignty thrown to the wind by the globalist (e.g, no southern border = no country), the military used as a mercenary force of the globalists to force their agenda on other countries, the "mainstream media" turn into an integrated propaganda network, the social order undermined, culture/heritage/religion attacked, and deranged behavior normalized.

Do most or many Russians still view the US as a society and country to admire or do the see it more like I've just described?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I don't think Russians ever seen the US as a country to admire...

But, well, I'm not Tamonten so I'm interested in his answer, too.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I should have said as a country to serve as a model with respect to the situation after the collapse of the USSR, or something like that. That's what I meant.

But your response is interesting. What would have been a common view of the US by Russians?

As to an American view of Russia, most Americans probably know very little about Russia (many probably don't really even know where it is - sounds stupid, huh?) and what they think they know is from what they were told about the former Soviet Union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I think they hoped for partnership, based on mutual respect, on political and economical fields. There was big opportunity start the whole new chapter after the fall of the Iron Courtain. Instead, certain groups within the US political system tried to spoil the situation in their favor and attempted to take over the control over the Russian natural resources. With actions like missile shield and NATO's march towards Russia anti-western/anti-US sentiment slowly came back to life.
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Welcome back, Tamonten! Didn't see you for a long time.

hi
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Hi!
Well, as I've predicted not long before I've stopped coming here, at some point I've become fed up with explaining same things over and over to those who don't care to listen.
One of the peculiarities of Russian culture, the result of vast territory mostly - if something annoys us we just go away. Actually, it may be the most dangerous Russian psychological state - one of not caring what others think about us.

It's just that lately the level of hysteria has risen to a whole new level of absurdity and I'm somewhat curious once again. Don't know how long will it last this time though.
 Quoting: Tamonten


Understood, I remember you wrote that regarding perpetual explanation of the smae things.

I need ts say your insight and historic perspective was missed on many occassions. And, naturally I will use this opportunity and ask you what's your ippinion regarding the Skripal's incident and where do you think all of this leads?
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Well, I'll of course answer any accumulated questions.

As for the Skripal incident... Summarising everything I've heard about it there may be three options of what it really is:
1) He was foolish enough to leak some confidential Mi6 information to his daughter and it was detected by said agency. Either accidentally or because he was getting ready to perform another defection. And was punished for this alone.
2) They were used just as false flag.
3) A combination of previous two options: he was urgently terminated because of some imminent dander of disclosure (for example, there's a theory that he was used as Mi6 agent in f.Ukraine at some point) and then to cover up the true reason whole false flag operation has started.

As of where it all leads... I don't believe that Europe would dare to start anything serious. Not quite Archduke Ferdinand level, huh. Mostly, it's quite similar to MH17 story. Also, the timing was just too perfect. Both happened just before EU higher-up gatherings just in time to completely derail the original plans for them.

As Mikhail Leontyev noted recently "In their war against Russia Russia is a foreign element, the very notion of it is used as a scarecrow. No one actually cares what scarecrow thinks about being used."
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
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"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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How much op invested in trinity crap?
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Trinity? What's that?
The only Trinity that comes to mind it "Troitsk Institute of Innovative and Thermonuclear Research". I did not invest a ruble into it, huh. But I have friends living close to it if it helps.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Welcome back, Tamonten! Didn't see you for a long time.

hi
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Hi!
Well, as I've predicted not long before I've stopped coming here, at some point I've become fed up with explaining same things over and over to those who don't care to listen.
One of the peculiarities of Russian culture, the result of vast territory mostly - if something annoys us we just go away. Actually, it may be the most dangerous Russian psychological state - one of not caring what others think about us.

It's just that lately the level of hysteria has risen to a whole new level of absurdity and I'm somewhat curious once again. Don't know how long will it last this time though.
 Quoting: Tamonten


Understood, I remember you wrote that regarding perpetual explanation of the smae things.

I need ts say your insight and historic perspective was missed on many occassions. And, naturally I will use this opportunity and ask you what's your ippinion regarding the Skripal's incident and where do you think all of this leads?
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Well, I'll of course answer any accumulated questions.

As for the Skripal incident... Summarising everything I've heard about it there may be three options of what it really is:
1) He was foolish enough to leak some confidential Mi6 information to his daughter and it was detected by said agency. Either accidentally or because he was getting ready to perform another defection. And was punished for this alone.
2) They were used just as false flag.
3) A combination of previous two options: he was urgently terminated because of some imminent dander of disclosure (for example, there's a theory that he was used as Mi6 agent in f.Ukraine at some point) and then to cover up the true reason whole false flag operation has started.

As of where it all leads... I don't believe that Europe would dare to start anything serious. Not quite Archduke Ferdinand level, huh. Mostly, it's quite similar to MH17 story. Also, the timing was just too perfect. Both happened just before EU higher-up gatherings just in time to completely derail the original plans for them.

As Mikhail Leontyev noted recently "In their war against Russia Russia is a foreign element, the very notion of it is used as a scarecrow. No one actually cares what scarecrow thinks about being used."
 Quoting: Tamonten


Pretty much what I make of this, too. I go rather with the FF option in order to deepen crisis in relationships and to give an excuse to go further with hostile actions against Russia. But true is that there are other really interesting things, as relationship with Steele, author of the infamous Trump's dosier, or alleged Skripal's request to return to Russia (it would be, actually, good motive in your 1st and 3rd point).
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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More and more Americans are seeing their former constitutional republic dismantled, their rights taken, a huge USSR-like police/security state apparatus put in place, US sovereignty thrown to the wind by the globalist (e.g, no southern border = no country), the military used as a mercenary force of the globalists to force their agenda on other countries, the "mainstream media" turn into an integrated propaganda network, the social order undermined, culture/heritage/religion attacked, and deranged behavior normalized.

Do most or many Russians still view the US as a society and country to admire or do the see it more like I've just described?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I don't think Russians ever seen the US as a country to admire...

But, well, I'm not Tamonten so I'm interested in his answer, too.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I should have said as a country to serve as a model with respect to the situation after the collapse of the USSR, or something like that. That's what I meant.

But your response is interesting. What would have been a common view of the US by Russians?

As to an American view of Russia, most Americans probably know very little about Russia (many probably don't really even know where it is - sounds stupid, huh?) and what they think they know is from what they were told about the former Soviet Union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I think they hoped for partnership, based on mutual respect, on political and economical fields. There was big opportunity start the whole new chapter after the fall of the Iron Courtain. Instead, certain groups within the US political system tried to spoil the situation in their favor and attempted to take over the control over the Russian natural resources. With actions like missile shield and NATO's march towards Russia anti-western/anti-US sentiment slowly came back to life.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


You are mostly right, Zod.

There's a saying - I've heard it from Solovyov, but I'm not sure if he's the author of the quite: "We knew that everything that Soviet propaganda said about our country was utter nonsense and thought that what it said about the West was of the same kind. It turned out though that that particular part was actually true."

Yeah, in 90s Russia was the most US-admiring country out there. We were ready to take in just everything from them. "Western" and "American" were best signs of quality, while "domestic" was considered an insult. Trust placed on US and West in general was unprecedented.
All of it has ended abruptly in 1999 with bombings of Yugoslavia. Even everdrunk Yeltsin that usually did not care about anything at the point was enraged. U-turn of Primakov's plane over the Atlantic was also an U-turn in public opinion and state policy.
As simple as that.

As for the view of US... Actually, now it strikingly reminds of the last years of Soviet Union in many aspects. One of which is this very overwhelming and amazingly stupid propaganda on par with Suslov's doctrine. Those Russians who care to read Western sources at all are often amazed how strikingly one resembles another.
Just one example: there was quite obvious contradiction in Soviet informational doctrine. It simultaneously was continuously declaring that capitalism is on the verge of collapse and so the victory of socialism is inevitable. On the other side, it was declared that "We must catch up to and overcome the US".
And now... On the one side "Russia is a regional power with economy in shambles" which is peacefully coexisting with "Russia ruins our elections, undermines our Democracy" and so on.

But, well, it won't be right to say there are no fans of US in Russia now. I believe, recent elections are quite representative. 3.5% of adult population sees something positive in the West. If combining Sobchak, Yavlinskiy and Titov's shares. Understanding of course that they are quite different in their standings, but all of them can be called "liberals" or "westerners" in one part or another.

Last Edited by Tamonten on 03/24/2018 05:45 PM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Well... And I'll just post Satanovskiy's speech here:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

And the part referenced at the end:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

If we are talking on where all of it is going.

Last Edited by Tamonten on 03/24/2018 05:58 PM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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I don't think Russians ever seen the US as a country to admire...

But, well, I'm not Tamonten so I'm interested in his answer, too.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I should have said as a country to serve as a model with respect to the situation after the collapse of the USSR, or something like that. That's what I meant.

But your response is interesting. What would have been a common view of the US by Russians?

As to an American view of Russia, most Americans probably know very little about Russia (many probably don't really even know where it is - sounds stupid, huh?) and what they think they know is from what they were told about the former Soviet Union.
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I think they hoped for partnership, based on mutual respect, on political and economical fields. There was big opportunity start the whole new chapter after the fall of the Iron Courtain. Instead, certain groups within the US political system tried to spoil the situation in their favor and attempted to take over the control over the Russian natural resources. With actions like missile shield and NATO's march towards Russia anti-western/anti-US sentiment slowly came back to life.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


You are mostly right, Zod.

There's a saying - I've heard it from Solovyov, but I'm not sure if he's the author of the quite: "We knew that everything that Soviet propaganda said about our country was utter nonsense and thought that what it said about the West was of the same kind. It turned out though that that particular part was actually true."

Yeah, in 90s Russia was the most US-admiring country out there. We were ready to take in just everything from them. "Western" and "American" were best signs of quality, while "domestic" was considered an insult. Trust placed on US and West in general was unprecedented.
All of it has ended abruptly in 1999 with bombings of Yugoslavia. Even everdrunk Yeltsin that usually did not care about anything at the point was enraged. U-turn of Primakov's plane over the Atlantic was also an U-turn in public opinion and state policy.
As simple as that.

As for the view of US... Actually, now it strikingly reminds of the last years of Soviet Union in many aspects. One of which is this very overwhelming and amazingly stupid propaganda on par with Suslov's doctrine. Those Russians who care to read Western sources at all are often amazed how strikingly one resembles another.
Just one example: there was quite obvious contradiction in Soviet informational doctrine. It simultaneously was continuously declaring that capitalism is on the verge of collapse and so the victory of socialism is inevitable. On the other side, it was declared that "We must catch up to and overcome the US".
And now... On the one side "Russia is a regional power with economy in shambles" which is peacefully coexisting with "Russia ruins our elections, undermines our Democracy" and so on.

But, well, it won't be right to say there are no fans of US in Russia now. I believe, recent elections are quite representative. 3.5% of adult population sees something positive in the West. If combining Sobchak, Yavlinskiy and Titov's shares. Understanding of course that they are quite different in their standings, but all of them can be called "liberals" or "westerners" in one part or another.
 Quoting: Tamonten


Yep, this is what I'm thinking. I was not sure if really itcould be called admiration in 90s. But it is very logic that everything domestic was considered as crap. After all, it was a part of attempt to erode and dismantle Russian Federation. No support for domestic production, no modernization, make the country independent on the supplies from abroad...

One would think that the bombing of Yugoslavia saved Russia actually...
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Yep, this is what I'm thinking. I was not sure if really itcould be called admiration in 90s. But it is very logic that everything domestic was considered as crap. After all, it was a part of attempt to erode and dismantle Russian Federation. No support for domestic production, no modernization, make the country independent on the supplies from abroad...

One would think that the bombing of Yugoslavia saved Russia actually...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Well, there's something either very mystical or very ironic in it actually. All Russian hardships and catastrophes of 20th century started when Russia tried to save Serbia by participating in WW1.
Everything - revolutions, civil war, even WW2 originated from there.
But at the end of the century the very destruction of Yugoslavia - gathered around the same Serbia - led to salvation of Russia.
I'm not quite sure how to feel about it, actually.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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I don't think Russians ever seen the US as a country to admire...

But, well, I'm not Tamonten so I'm interested in his answer, too.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I should have said as a country to serve as a model with respect to the situation after the collapse of the USSR, or something like that. That's what I meant.

But your response is interesting. What would have been a common view of the US by Russians?

As to an American view of Russia, most Americans probably know very little about Russia (many probably don't really even know where it is - sounds stupid, huh?) and what they think they know is from what they were told about the former Soviet Union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71765579


I think they hoped for partnership, based on mutual respect, on political and economical fields. There was big opportunity start the whole new chapter after the fall of the Iron Courtain. Instead, certain groups within the US political system tried to spoil the situation in their favor and attempted to take over the control over the Russian natural resources. With actions like missile shield and NATO's march towards Russia anti-western/anti-US sentiment slowly came back to life.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


You are mostly right, Zod.

There's a saying - I've heard it from Solovyov, but I'm not sure if he's the author of the quite: "We knew that everything that Soviet propaganda said about our country was utter nonsense and thought that what it said about the West was of the same kind. It turned out though that that particular part was actually true."

Yeah, in 90s Russia was the most US-admiring country out there. We were ready to take in just everything from them. "Western" and "American" were best signs of quality, while "domestic" was considered an insult. Trust placed on US and West in general was unprecedented.
All of it has ended abruptly in 1999 with bombings of Yugoslavia. Even everdrunk Yeltsin that usually did not care about anything at the point was enraged. U-turn of Primakov's plane over the Atlantic was also an U-turn in public opinion and state policy.
As simple as that.

As for the view of US... Actually, now it strikingly reminds of the last years of Soviet Union in many aspects. One of which is this very overwhelming and amazingly stupid propaganda on par with Suslov's doctrine. Those Russians who care to read Western sources at all are often amazed how strikingly one resembles another.
Just one example: there was quite obvious contradiction in Soviet informational doctrine. It simultaneously was continuously declaring that capitalism is on the verge of collapse and so the victory of socialism is inevitable. On the other side, it was declared that "We must catch up to and overcome the US".
And now... On the one side "Russia is a regional power with economy in shambles" which is peacefully coexisting with "Russia ruins our elections, undermines our Democracy" and so on.

But, well, it won't be right to say there are no fans of US in Russia now. I believe, recent elections are quite representative. 3.5% of adult population sees something positive in the West. If combining Sobchak, Yavlinskiy and Titov's shares. Understanding of course that they are quite different in their standings, but all of them can be called "liberals" or "westerners" in one part or another.
 Quoting: Tamonten


Thanks.

As to what you said in bold, I, as an American, see that. It's frightening.

I remember reading about some German in the 70's who made what was then an outlandish sounding claim - that some hardnosed Christian Russian nationalists had risen to levels of power within the USSR and were driving the "Bolshevik" types out who were fleeing in numbers to the US and one other country. True or not, it fits what's happened here in the US since, particularly with the rise of the "neocons" in that exact time frame, their ascendancy to power behind Cheney/Bush, the Reichtagsfeuer of 2001 and the subsequent creation of our version of the NKVD (is that correct?)/Gestapo and the non-stop military aggression.

It's said the Western central bankers help fund Trotsky and others in the Russian Revolution, in part to exploit the vast natural resources of Russia.

If I had my guess, it would be that much of the rapid transformation in the West and the direction we're be taken can be traced back to the same source.
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Do Russian children build "snowmen"?????
I have a sneaking feeling that THAT may be outlawed in the U.S. soon.
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You are mostly right, Zod.

There's a saying - I've heard it from Solovyov, but I'm not sure if he's the author of the quite: "We knew that everything that Soviet propaganda said about our country was utter nonsense and thought that what it said about the West was of the same kind. It turned out though that that particular part was actually true."

Yeah, in 90s Russia was the most US-admiring country out there. We were ready to take in just everything from them. "Western" and "American" were best signs of quality, while "domestic" was considered an insult. Trust placed on US and West in general was unprecedented.
All of it has ended abruptly in 1999 with bombings of Yugoslavia. Even everdrunk Yeltsin that usually did not care about anything at the point was enraged. U-turn of Primakov's plane over the Atlantic was also an U-turn in public opinion and state policy.
As simple as that.

As for the view of US... Actually, now it strikingly reminds of the last years of Soviet Union in many aspects. One of which is this very overwhelming and amazingly stupid propaganda on par with Suslov's doctrine. Those Russians who care to read Western sources at all are often amazed how strikingly one resembles another.
Just one example: there was quite obvious contradiction in Soviet informational doctrine. It simultaneously was continuously declaring that capitalism is on the verge of collapse and so the victory of socialism is inevitable. On the other side, it was declared that "We must catch up to and overcome the US".
And now... On the one side "Russia is a regional power with economy in shambles" which is peacefully coexisting with "Russia ruins our elections, undermines our Democracy" and so on.

But, well, it won't be right to say there are no fans of US in Russia now. I believe, recent elections are quite representative. 3.5% of adult population sees something positive in the West. If combining Sobchak, Yavlinskiy and Titov's shares. Understanding of course that they are quite different in their standings, but all of them can be called "liberals" or "westerners" in one part or another.
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Thanks.

As to what you said in bold, I, as an American, see that. It's frightening.

I remember reading about some German in the 70's who made what was then an outlandish sounding claim - that some hardnosed Christian Russian nationalists had risen to levels of power within the USSR and were driving the "Bolshevik" types out who were fleeing in numbers to the US and one other country. True or not, it fits what's happened here in the US since, particularly with the rise of the "neocons" in that exact time frame, their ascendancy to power behind Cheney/Bush, the Reichtagsfeuer of 2001 and the subsequent creation of our version of the NKVD (is that correct?)/Gestapo and the non-stop military aggression.

It's said the Western central bankers help fund Trotsky and others in the Russian Revolution, in part to exploit the vast natural resources of Russia.

If I had my guess, it would be that much of the rapid transformation in the West and the direction we're be taken can be traced back to the same source.
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Frankly speaking I'm too rather frightened. While it's not likely to deteriorate the same way as is was with SU, but there are more complications.
Soviet Union was essentially historical Russian Empire with some (drastic and very important, but not quite game changing) ideological shifts. And in this Empire what you'd call "metropolis" (although, the term does not really works here the same way as it did to other historical empires) was a half of SU population having most of the territory also. I.e. when collapse has begun it was quite obvious who is going to be the successor of both debts, obligations - and nuclear arsenals of the SU.
If some major political problems do occur in US though... Who's going to take responsibility? And what about nuclear arsenals placed in Germany and Turkey for example? There were rumours that some of the nukes were transferred to Romania...
I do understand that even if something really happens, outright SU-like collapse of US is an unlikely occurrence though. Actually, I'm more concerned about one common trait many politicians share - when pressed with internal problems they do tend to solve them by creating external ones to shift attention. We've already seen this particular behaviour in both current American administration, UK government and European leadership. It's a prelude for a war, whether they understand it or not.

I don't know about 70s - it does look like some really wild claim. But actually there were many Trotskyists driven from SU by Stalin in 30s. And neocon globalist "promotion of democracy" policy is not very different from Trotskiy's "perpetual revolution" one.
I do understand that Stalin has quite a negative image in Western society, duh. But he may be one of the very first anti-globalists out there. After all, under his order SU did not join Bretton Wood system and ceased any meaningful promotion of revolutional ideas.

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Actually, both "snowmen" and "snowwomen".
Althrough, there's no "man" in Russian word for "snowman" - "snegovik". It's just like "snow one".
But, well... Russian word for "snowwoman" is "snezhnaya baba". And "baba" while not quite an insult, is quite impolite word for a woman.
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Well, I live near Moscow, so I don't really know where it's best to stay there.
But there's no actually dangerous districts of it as long as you don't do something amazingly stupid.
To save money I'd recommend staying somewhere on the outskirts - Izmaylovo hotel complex for example (three times as cheap as in the city centre).
The main factor here is to be near subway (Metro) station. Transportation is quite cheap (flat tariff of roughly one USD for trip for example) and you'll get to the city centre with Red Square and so on in 30 minutes.
Even if you are planning to visit World Cup, Izmaylovo is quite convenient, because you can get within hour to both venues that are in the city. To Luzhniki without any transfers and with one transfer - to Otkrytiye.
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Hi there!
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Well, I live near Moscow, so I don't really know where it's best to stay there.
But there's no actually dangerous districts of it as long as you don't do something amazingly stupid.
To save money I'd recommend staying somewhere on the outskirts - Izmaylovo hotel complex for example (three times as cheap as in the city centre).
The main factor here is to be near subway (Metro) station. Transportation is quite cheap (flat tariff of roughly one USD for trip for example) and you'll get to the city centre with Red Square and so on in 30 minutes.
Even if you are planning to visit World Cup, Izmaylovo is quite convenient, because you can get within hour to both venues that are in the city. To Luzhniki without any transfers and with one transfer - to Otkrytiye.
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Excellent. Thank you. I'll be in your city around the 3rd of July after the first round games.

Any chance we can meet up? I would love to meet a comrade in your awesome country. I don't need a tourist guide, I just want to be around locals.

PM me if you're interested.
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Well, I live near Moscow, so I don't really know where it's best to stay there.
But there's no actually dangerous districts of it as long as you don't do something amazingly stupid.
To save money I'd recommend staying somewhere on the outskirts - Izmaylovo hotel complex for example (three times as cheap as in the city centre).
The main factor here is to be near subway (Metro) station. Transportation is quite cheap (flat tariff of roughly one USD for trip for example) and you'll get to the city centre with Red Square and so on in 30 minutes.
Even if you are planning to visit World Cup, Izmaylovo is quite convenient, because you can get within hour to both venues that are in the city. To Luzhniki without any transfers and with one transfer - to Otkrytiye.
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Excellent. Thank you. I'll be in your city around the 3rd of July after the first round games.

Any chance we can meet up? I would love to meet a comrade in your awesome country. I don't need a tourist guide, I just want to be around locals.

PM me if you're interested.
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You are welcome.

Sure, I'll write you when I'll upgrade my account.

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Not really. It's their choice either way.
Russia (Soviet Union then) was the first country to adopt full-pledged gender equality. It was more than 100 years ago and there is almost no such things as Western over-zeal with the thing - or with fighting it - by now.
I'd say the fact that some ethnic Russian women willingly marry Easterners such as Turks and our own primarily Islamic ethnicities causes much more concern in some groups of population.
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hey Tamoten just read some insightful comments of yours on that syria thread.

wanted to ask you about agni yoga and the roerich's legacy in case you are familiar with it and since it s kinda hard to reach russian info on net due to the language barrier
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I have a Baikal MP512 air rifle, but the non M version.

I need parts and need to know if they can be upgraded with the spring from the M version.
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hey Tamoten just read some insightful comments of yours on that syria thread.

wanted to ask you about agni yoga and the roerich's legacy in case you are familiar with it and since it s kinda hard to reach russian info on net due to the language barrier
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Hi.

I can't say I'm too knowledgeable on the matter. Mostly I've heard of it due to the case of Master-bank and money laundering made with the help of Roerich's centre in Moscow. It led to investigation and confiscation of paintings.
It's not persecuted in Russia in any way, but apparently became home for some shady dealings sadly. Though it definitely looks interesting enough.
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I have a Baikal MP512 air rifle, but the non M version.

I need parts and need to know if they can be upgraded with the spring from the M version.
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Actually, I'm not sure it's such an easy thing or even possible.
Even in Russia "M" version apparently can be bought only after obtaining hunting license. Logically, if modification was simple enough, licensing would have been required even for "non-M".
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hey Tamoten just read some insightful comments of yours on that syria thread.

wanted to ask you about agni yoga and the roerich's legacy in case you are familiar with it and since it s kinda hard to reach russian info on net due to the language barrier
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Hi.

I can't say I'm too knowledgeable on the matter. Mostly I've heard of it due to the case of Master-bank and money laundering made with the help of Roerich's centre in Moscow. It led to investigation and confiscation of paintings.
It's not persecuted in Russia in any way, but apparently became home for some shady dealings sadly. Though it definitely looks interesting enough.
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interesting had no idea about that scandal.
personally i'd be interested to find out if there is still some spiritual custodian of that school in place in Russia. cause i didn t find anything, so my only idea was to contact the cultural custodians vause for that i found some organizations in Russia.
but now that you tell me about that scandal i m not sure if i could find what i need through the cultural proxies
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Any of your chdren get sick from pollution that comes from overloaded city dumps around Moscow?
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I need a Russians help!

I have a Baikal MP512 air rifle, but the non M version.

I need parts and need to know if they can be upgraded with the spring from the M version.
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Actually, I'm not sure it's such an easy thing or even possible.
Even in Russia "M" version apparently can be bought only after obtaining hunting license. Logically, if modification was simple enough, licensing would have been required even for "non-M".
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Ok thank you! Saved me loads of time knowing that.





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