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"Dream/symbol interpretation" - what is the significance of ball 8 in Snooker/Pool?

 
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Well, this was not really a dream. It was an attempt of making a shaman journey on a too complex intent I guess.

I journeyed on the intent of receiving information about what can be done to reduce the risk of armed aggression against Iran. I just thought what the heck, naive or not, it is a rather good question from previous journeys I made.

For some reason a "normal journey" could not take place, I don't know exactly why but it happens quite often lately that these journeying attempts fail. Maybe I'm just too tired, too unfocused or whatever.

It was not a complete failure, though. I saw a black pool ball, number 8. It was suspended in air, rotating in 3D before my eyes. The perspective was quite odd. I got the impression I was lying on my back in the bottom of a volcano crater, looking up to a dark purple sky. Maybe this has no significance here.

I have no knowledge at all about pool or snooker or related games, I thought maybe someone could help me interpret this cryptic message.

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8ball means come out of new age voodoo and find jesus or go to hell lmao
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when the 8 ball goes in, the game is over...win or lose... in the tradional game... no?
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Why not try this?

I got the answer I was looking for...


[link to lord.xopl.com]


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when the 8 ball goes in, the game is over...win or lose... in the tradional game... no?
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Maybe I didn't receive an answer to my question then, but rather yet another symbolic rendering of the problem at hand.

I'll make a new attempt tonight on the same intent.

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No. It is clear as crystal thanks to my GLP friends. I didn't know the pool/snooker/whatever rules concerning ball 8, that's all.

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom

PS. Iran is ball 8, in case you didn't follow the interpretation I made with some help.
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When you play pool, the 8 ball is always present, but you never try to hit it, or knock it into the pocket, because you lose.

I don't think the 8 ball is included in snooker??
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No. It is clear as crystal thanks to my GLP friends. I didn't know the pool/snooker/whatever rules concerning ball 8, that's all.

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom

PS. Iran is ball 8, in case you didn't follow the interpretation I made with some help.
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Ya'll don't have these in Sweden?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No. It is clear as crystal thanks to my GLP friends. I didn't know the pool/snooker/whatever rules concerning ball 8, that's all.

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom

PS. Iran is ball 8, in case you didn't follow the interpretation I made with some help.

Ya'll don't have these in Sweden?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Of course we do. It is just that I always avoided this game. Too lousy to even begin to think it might be fun.

/LTC Peachblossom

PS. Sorry I thought the link was about pool and stuff like that. Thanks for the link, this is an unfamiliar game.

PS #2: it was a ball exactly like the one in the link I saw, suspended in air, rotating.
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I will take a stab at it, but from the experience of being a pool player rather than a "dream interpreter".

"Eight Ball" is one of the most commonly played and well-known of games that are played on a pool table. The game ends once the 8-ball is sunk (and the person sinking the 8-ball may not necessarily end up being the winner of the game either; first the player has to have sunk all his other balls -- either all solids or all stripes -- then he must specify which pocket he intends to sink the 8-ball into and sink it into that pocket only, and he must not sink the cue ball when he sinks the 8-ball -- I'm just trying to point out that the person who sinks the 8-ball could end up being the loser if he doesn't do it right, because maybe this info could have some significance re: your dream/vision).

You say you were in the bottom of a volcano crater viewing a suspended 8-ball. Was the 8-ball suspended directly over the crater perhaps even threatening to fall into the crater the way a pool ball falls into a pocket on a pool table? (And, since this is the 8-ball, the game would be over the moment it fell into the crater/pocket.)

You say the sky was dark purple. As in a clear dark purple twilight sky? Or a sky full of dark purple clouds signifying a coming storm?
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I will take a stab at it, but from the experience of being a pool player rather than a "dream interpreter".

"Eight Ball" is one of the most commonly played and well-known of games that are played on a pool table. The game ends once the 8-ball is sunk (and the person sinking the 8-ball may not necessarily end up being the winner of the game either; first the player has to have sunk all his other balls -- either all solids or all stripes -- then he must specify which pocket he intends to sink the 8-ball into and sink it into that pocket only, and he must not sink the cue ball when he sinks the 8-ball -- I'm just trying to point out that the person who sinks the 8-ball could end up being the loser if he doesn't do it right, because maybe this info could have some significance re: your dream/vision).

You say you were in the bottom of a volcano crater viewing a suspended 8-ball. Was the 8-ball suspended directly over the crater perhaps even threatening to fall into the crater the way a pool ball falls into a pocket on a pool table? (And, since this is the 8-ball, the game would be over the moment it fell into the crater/pocket.)

You say the sky was dark purple. As in a clear dark purple twilight sky? Or a sky full of dark purple clouds signifying a coming storm?
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Thanks for the input! This may be more complex than I thought at first.

The 8-ball was suspended in air, like six feet before my eyes and being perceived as having the physical size of an ordinary ball as used on pool etc.

The sky was dark purple twilight sky. Absolutely not the kind of sky signifying a coming storm.

Thanks a lot, I'll be processing this and come back if I come to some sort of new conclusion about this.

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Maybe it just wanted you to ask it a question? You know, like in 'ask the magic eight ball' 1dunno1
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Maybe it just wanted you to ask it a question? You know, like in 'ask the magic eight ball' 1dunno1
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That's a very good point! I was not in the position of being able to ask questions at this particular session, as I said it didn't work out like it used to here.

I'll make new attempts. And I don't care one bit if some people thinks the questions I ask is stupid. If it works, it works.

Thanks!

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I will take a stab at it, but from the experience of being a pool player rather than a "dream interpreter".

"Eight Ball" is one of the most commonly played and well-known of games that are played on a pool table. The game ends once the 8-ball is sunk (and the person sinking the 8-ball may not necessarily end up being the winner of the game either; first the player has to have sunk all his other balls -- either all solids or all stripes -- then he must specify which pocket he intends to sink the 8-ball into and sink it into that pocket only, and he must not sink the cue ball when he sinks the 8-ball -- I'm just trying to point out that the person who sinks the 8-ball could end up being the loser if he doesn't do it right, because maybe this info could have some significance re: your dream/vision).


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This is damned good interpretation help! The symbolism of Iran as the 8-ball is profound, I'd say. The pocket specified... what about the stated motivations for a war? It better be the right "pocket" specified, otherwise the game is lost. Instantly.

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8 is a number of good luck in asian cultures.
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I will take a stab at it, but from the experience of being a pool player rather than a "dream interpreter".

"Eight Ball" is one of the most commonly played and well-known of games that are played on a pool table. The game ends once the 8-ball is sunk (and the person sinking the 8-ball may not necessarily end up being the winner of the game either; first the player has to have sunk all his other balls -- either all solids or all stripes -- then he must specify which pocket he intends to sink the 8-ball into and sink it into that pocket only, and he must not sink the cue ball when he sinks the 8-ball -- I'm just trying to point out that the person who sinks the 8-ball could end up being the loser if he doesn't do it right, because maybe this info could have some significance re: your dream/vision).

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This is damned good interpretation help! The symbolism of Iran as the 8-ball is profound, I'd say. The pocket specified... what about the stated motivations for a war? It better be the right "pocket" specified, otherwise the game is lost. Instantly.

/LTC Peachblossom
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Peachblossom, even if the game of pool bores you silly, please drudge your way through my entire post anyway, because I think it could contain some insights into your dream/vision.

In "Eight Ball" the 8-ball is THE ball that determines who wins or loses the game. It does not matter if you've sunk every other ball on the table perfectly, if you screw up while sinking the 8-ball, you lose. Even if your opponent has not sunk one single ball, and you've sunk all of yours and it looks like you're going to be the sure winner, if you screw up while sinking the 8-ball, you lose; your opponent wins.

The 8-ball is the end all be all; it and it alone determines who ultimately wins and who ultimately loses. The other balls don't really matter -- they are nothing but a means to an end. It's necessary to sink all of them before you can attempt to win the game by sinking the 8-ball, but you don't have to sink all of them to win if your opponent does it first and then fatally screws up his 8-ball shot.

You do get more than one chance to sink the 8-ball as long as you don't make a game-losing mistake like: sinking the 8-ball into the wrong pocket, sinking it without specifying the pocket first, sinking the cue ball either instead of or along with the 8-ball, or not hitting the 8-ball with the cue ball/missing it entirely. And, if you do miss your 8-ball shot without making a game-ending error, then though the game is not over, your turn is over and your opponent gets a turn.

What is the motivation for a war (based on what you saw in your dream/vision)?

Well, if Iran is the 8-ball, then that would make Iran the "ultimate prize" -- all the other balls sunk prior to that like Afghanistan and Iraq (and Lebanon?) would be nothing but a means to getting into a position to be able to take a shot at the 8-ball. Iran/the 8-ball would determine who wins it all.

Some other thoughts that come to mind:

After the 8-ball has been sunk, even though the game is officially over and a winner declared, sometimes one or more of the players will continue to randomly/chaotically (and often rather sloppily) sink all the other balls on the table just for the fun of it (or to get the most play for their money if they are using a pay-per-game pool table).

Also note that all the balls you sink prior to shooting the 8-ball are similar/have the same thing in common -- though they have different coloration and different numbers they must be either all solids or all stripes.

There are a total of 6 pockets on the table and 16 balls and each of the balls falls into one of 4 categories: Solid, Stripe, 8-Ball, or Cue Ball. One player is solids; the other is stripes; both must use the cue ball to sink their balls (either all the solids or all the stripes) and the 8-Ball is the last ball you need to sink, and sink correctly, in order to win.

The winner of the previous game is the one who "breaks"/starts the game (starts the war?), whichever ball he sinks first (solid or stripe) determines which of the two (solids or stripes) he must continue to sink for the remainder of the game.

Even a person who is a terrible pool player can beat a much better player without even having to sink one single ball, if the better player fatally screws up his 8-ball shot.

The balls are hit via an indirect manner, using a pool stick to hit the cue ball in order to sink the other balls. Even the shots themselves can be quite "roundabout", banking the balls against the sides of the table or against other balls or using the cue ball to hit a ball so that it hits yet another ball.

The cue ball can also be hit at an angle which causes it to spin and "boomarang" around other balls. This is a method that more highly-skilled pool players use to manipulate the cue ball around obstacles and to set up their next shot. Interestingly enough, this method of manipulation is called "English" -- manipulating the path of the cue ball by spinning it is called "using English".
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What is the motivation for a war (based on what you saw in your dream/vision)?

Well, if Iran is the 8-ball, then that would make Iran the "ultimate prize" -- all the other balls sunk prior to that like Afghanistan and Iraq (and Lebanon?) would be nothing but a means to getting into a position to be able to take a shot at the 8-ball. Iran/the 8-ball would determine who wins it all.

Some other thoughts that come to mind:

After the 8-ball has been sunk, even though the game is officially over and a winner declared, sometimes one or more of the players will continue to randomly/chaotically (and often rather sloppily) sink all the other balls on the table just for the fun of it (or to get the most play for their money if they are using a pay-per-game pool table).

Also note that all the balls you sink prior to shooting the 8-ball are similar/have the same thing in common -- though they have different coloration and different numbers they must be either all solids or all stripes.

There are a total of 6 pockets on the table and 16 balls and each of the balls falls into one of 4 categories: Solid, Stripe, 8-Ball, or Cue Ball. One player is solids; the other is stripes; both must use the cue ball to sink their balls (either all the solids or all the stripes) and the 8-Ball is the last ball you need to sink, and sink correctly, in order to win.

The winner of the previous game is the one who "breaks"/starts the game (starts the war?), whichever ball he sinks first (solid or stripe) determines which of the two (solids or stripes) he must continue to sink for the remainder of the game.

Even a person who is a terrible pool player can beat a much better player without even having to sink one single ball, if the better player fatally screws up his 8-ball shot.

The balls are hit via an indirect manner, using a pool stick to hit the cue ball in order to sink the other balls. Even the shots themselves can be quite "roundabout", banking the balls against the sides of the table or against other balls or using the cue ball to hit a ball so that it hits yet another ball.

The cue ball can also be hit at an angle which causes it to spin and "boomarang" around other balls. This is a method that more highly-skilled pool players use to manipulate the cue ball around obstacles and to set up their next shot. Interestingly enough, this method of manipulation is called "English" -- manipulating the path of the cue ball by spinning it is called "using English".
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Wow! What a lesson! Thanks for taking the time to explain this game to me, it seems much more intriguing and complex than I ever imagined! I must give it a try sometime.

I have thought quite a lot about this cryptic message. I attempted to take a shortcut and check out with the sources themselves last night, but it failed miserably. I just fell asleep, not uncommon.

To take a step back, I find it interesting that I got this particular "vision" to begin with in response to my journeying intent. This is since I lacked the knowledge needed to decode the layers of meaning contained in it, I had to ask others for help. I think this was an important part of the message, in itself.

After just having read your responses after the night and a day's work, in particular yours AC126878, I would like to make a few comments and add a few interpretation possibilities.

To recap, there were no other balls around, not even a table. I was lying flat in a crater of a sleeping volcano. Ball number 8 rotating slowly over me. Deep purple, crisp sky, like just before sunset.

Given my intent, I guess ball 8 represents Iran. Maybe this is not correct but I got that feeling.

I find many of your points illuminating, AC126878. The "English" method is maybe just a funny coincidence but could just as well represent one of the options of getting in position to "win the game", directly or indirectly.

The many different ways of winning the game, and to screw up, is interesting. Also the implied tactics involved has some staggering similarites with the way the "war on terror" has played out so far. There have been "balls in the way", and Iraq is still on the table.

One thing that perhaps is a personal learning point is that you don't play this game alone. Who is the other party? It cannot be Iran in this frame of interpretation, obviously. I have not focussed very much on the idea of a hidden contingency manipulating Iran as the 8-ball, perhaps it is time to open my eyes more actively to that possibility.

On the other hand, the dramatic scenery of the vision indicates that it does not matter who wins this game. When ball 8 falls into a pocket, the game is over. I got no indication there will be another game.

If these interpretations are correct, and the vision is true; then both players must be denied the option to "win the game", the known as well as the less known party. This means the players have to call it even and quit the game.

If there is no way of winning this coming war and live, other solutions must be found how to solve the problems that constitute the real motives behind the desire to start it. I feel 100% certain "the wrong pocket" has been specified, just like concerning the Iraq war, Lebanon, Afghanistan. The real interests must be surfaced, and it can only happen in conditions of a dialogue.

Iran has stated a desire to take up a serious dialogue with the US. So far the US have shown no interest at all in engaging. For such a dialogue to produce the desired result, the dialogue must also involve the hidden player, whomever it is. I have to learn much more of the latter party, the strategic interests they have, and the ways it may conflict with those of US and Israel. However, I'm certain a solution can be found with Iran as an active party in the process, not as the "8-ball" in this game currently played.

Maybe this was the meaning of the message I got in response to my question? Who knows.

Thanks to you all for the help so far!

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/LTC Peachblossom
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Wow! What a lesson! Thanks for taking the time to explain this game to me, it seems much more intriguing and complex than I ever imagined! I must give it a try sometime.

I have thought quite a lot about this cryptic message. I attempted to take a shortcut and check out with the sources themselves last night, but it failed miserably. I just fell asleep, not uncommon.

To take a step back, I find it interesting that I got this particular "vision" to begin with in response to my journeying intent. This is since I lacked the knowledge needed to decode the layers of meaning contained in it, I had to ask others for help. I think this was an important part of the message, in itself.

After just having read your responses after the night and a day's work, in particular yours AC126878, I would like to make a few comments and add a few interpretation possibilities.

To recap, there were no other balls around, not even a table. I was lying flat in a crater of a sleeping volcano. Ball number 8 rotating slowly over me. Deep purple, crisp sky, like just before sunset.

Given my intent, I guess ball 8 represents Iran. Maybe this is not correct but I got that feeling.

I find many of your points illuminating, AC126878. The "English" method is maybe just a funny coincidence but could just as well represent one of the options of getting in position to "win the game", directly or indirectly.

The many different ways of winning the game, and to screw up, is interesting. Also the implied tactics involved has some staggering similarites with the way the "war on terror" has played out so far. There have been "balls in the way", and Iraq is still on the table.

One thing that perhaps is a personal learning point is that you don't play this game alone. Who is the other party? It cannot be Iran in this frame of interpretation, obviously. I have not focussed very much on the idea of a hidden contingency manipulating Iran as the 8-ball, perhaps it is time to open my eyes more actively to that possibility.

On the other hand, the dramatic scenery of the vision indicates that it does not matter who wins this game. When ball 8 falls into a pocket, the game is over. I got no indication there will be another game.

If these interpretations are correct, and the vision is true; then both players must be denied the option to "win the game", the known as well as the less known party. This means the players have to call it even and quit the game.

If there is no way of winning this coming war and live, other solutions must be found how to solve the problems that constitute the real motives behind desire to start it. I feel 100% certain "the wrong pocket" has been specified, just like concerning the Iraq war, Lebanon, Afghanistan. The real interests must be surfaced, and it can only happen in conditions of a dialogue.

Iran has stated a desire to take up a serious dialogue with the US. So far the US have shown no interest at all in engaging. For such a dialogue to produce the desired result, the dialogue must also involve the hidden player, whomever it is. I have to learn much more of the latter party, the strategic interests they have, and the ways it may conflict with those of US and Israel. However, I'm certain a solution can be found with Iran as an active party in the process, not as the "8-ball" in this game currently played.

Maybe this was the meaning of the message I got in response to my question? Who knows.

Thanks to you all for the help so far!

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom
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Peachblossom, please bear with me again. (What can I say? I have a pool table and I love the game.) You mentioned something that got me really thinking: Who are the players? Who are the sticks? Who are the balls?

There are two players playing this game, using sticks to prod the cue ball into knocking the other balls around and/or off the table.

Until you made a point of asking who was playing, I didn't give it any real thought and assumed the USA was one of the players, but now I'm positive that's not the case.

I think the USA is the cue ball.

The USA has said "you are either with us or against us", dividing the world into two camps: those who are either enemies or allies of the USA (so that would make everyone either a solid or a stripe). The cue ball is used to hit all the other balls on the table -- one player uses it to hit all the solids and the other uses it to hit all the stripes, and both aspire to use it to hit the 8-ball.

If the USA is the cue ball, then there's another thing you need to know about pool. Whenever you sink the cue ball, you either lose your turn or lose the game. If you sink it while shooting at the 8-ball, you lose the game. If you sink it while shooting at a stripe or a solid, you lose your turn. When you sink the cue ball it is called a "scratch". When you hit the cue ball and it does not strike any other ball on the table but misses them all entirely, this is called a "table scratch", and a "table scratch" is the same as a "scratch", you either lose your turn, or if you were aiming at the 8-ball then you lose the game.

I think the USA is the cue ball, the solids and stripes are enemies and allies which the USA has been knocking around, you've declared Iran to be the 8-ball, the table is the world, the pockets are the "Underworld"/death/destruction maybe (?) (though that last one causes me to have a few questions because there are 6 pockets).

That now leaves me to wonder who these two players are, and who are the sticks the two players are using to prod the cue ball into knocking the other balls around and ultimately off the table.

Though lesser experienced players may share the same stick, pros do not -- pros do not even use the sticks made available to them in the pool hall; they bring their own sticks to the game. These two players are most certainly pros, so there are definitely two sticks. And, these two players are not going to quit. The 8-ball is going to be sunk, and I have a very strong feeling that the cue ball is going to be sunk along with it and then the sore loser is going to keep sinking balls anyway, angrily hitting them as hard as he can (as I have seen some sore losers do after losing a game), ripping holes in the felt on the pool table and then perhaps even breaking his pool stick.

If the pool table is the world then what is the pool hall? The universe? I think I have just gone cosmic on you.

Other thoughts:

The cue ball is white/has no color and is the only ball that does not have a number. I'm not sure what that could mean if anything as far as your vision may be concerned. [Balls numbered 1-7 are solids (each a different color), balls numbered 9-15 are stripes (white with a colored stripe, with each stripe a different color, and each stripe color having a solid which corresponds in color -- e.g. the 1-ball is solid yellow and the 9-ball is white with a yellow stripe; the 2-ball is solid blue and the 10-ball is white with a blue stripe, etc.), and the 8-ball is the only ball that is black.]

I do not think you are playing snooker, because you saw an 8-ball with the number 8 on it, right? (IIRC, European billiard balls are not numbered and I think snooker balls can be numbered, but they are numbered differently, so the black ball would not have the number 8 on it. You are playing pool/billiards (with the name "pool" being coined due to people betting on pool games/pooling their bets).

It's not just a game; it's a game with stakes, and the stakes can be very high depending on who is playing.

There is a game called 9-ball, and it's a possibility that did cross my mind, but it's a more obscure game, and I don't think it's the game that's being played as far as your vision is concerned. It's the "you're either with us or against us" (either a solid or a stripe) that makes me think it has to be 8-ball.

This may cause a lot of people to wonder what's so special about Iran? what makes it the 8-ball/"game-over" ball? I would rather not find out. But, from what I've read, a US attack on Iran could end up being what sparks a major nuclear exchange. Russia and China are not going to just sit on their thumbs and let the USA take over the entire middle-east. Sooner or later the USA is going to overreach and get its hand slapped hard, and then of course the USA will start hitting back. I think an attack on Iran may be what makes countries like Russia and China stand up and tell the USA, "you have gone too far -- enough is enough". That could be why Iran is the 8-ball.

In your vision it was twilight -- that gives you an idea of the timing/season. The 8-ball is suspended but has not dropped yet, but it IS going to drop, IMO; the players ARE going to finish this game. The other balls are there; the table is there; the sticks are there; the players are there -- you just cannot see them, because you are lying inside the pocket/crater with the 8-ball supended above you. It's interesting that the crater is large but the 8-ball is just an average-sized pool ball, and I take it that the crater is quite deep too? That sounds like quite a pocket, and the 8-ball is in for one very big fall (and I really think the cue ball is in for a major fall too; I think they're both going to end up in that pocket). And, you say this was the crater of a sleeping volcano. Well, volcanoes erupt. And, sleeping volcanoes can wake up.
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I was going to get some sleep... just saw your response! This is certainly food for thought that requires some serious dream processing.

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In many instances, the number 8 represents that there has been an ending and a new "beginning" is being shown.

[link to www.christcenteredmall.com]

is just one example.


In the dream of OP, I don't see the eight ball as Iran, or any other country, more that in the twilight of our time, the eight ball is about to drop in the pocket.

Game over, new beginning.
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In many instances, the number 8 represents that there has been an ending and a new "beginning" is being shown.

[link to www.christcenteredmall.com]

is just one example.


In the dream of OP, I don't see the eight ball as Iran, or any other country, more that in the twilight of our time, the eight ball is about to drop in the pocket.

Game over, new beginning.
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This is very interesting! I had no idea the Biblic interpretation of the number 8 seems to be represented in the game of billiards, as I just learned here.

This vision per se does not suggest any association between ball 8 and Iran. I made that association only because I received the vision in response to the question I mentioned in the first post, "I journeyed on the intent of receiving information about what can be done to reduce the risk of armed aggression against Iran".

Answers are received in more or less symbolic forms, especially when only a shallow state of trance can be achieved.

The Biblical idea of a new beginning sounds comforting in a way, if nothing can be done to stop the coming campaign. However, since the message was not just the plain number 8 but actually ball 8 in the game of pool, the interpretation of a plain 'game over' feels more 'correct' (if that term even can be applied to vision interpretation...).

Thanks for the input, very interesting!

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Who are the players? Who are the sticks? Who are the balls?

I think the USA is the cue ball, the solids and stripes are enemies and allies which the USA has been knocking around, you've declared Iran to be the 8-ball, the table is the world, the pockets are the "Underworld"/death/destruction maybe (?) (though that last one causes me to have a few questions because there are 6 pockets).

That now leaves me to wonder who these two players are, and who are the sticks the two players are using to prod the cue ball into knocking the other balls around and ultimately off the table.

Though lesser experienced players may share the same stick, pros do not -- pros do not even use the sticks made available to them in the pool hall; they bring their own sticks to the game. These two players are most certainly pros, so there are definitely two sticks. And, these two players are not going to quit. The 8-ball is going to be sunk, and I have a very strong feeling that the cue ball is going to be sunk along with it and then the sore loser is going to keep sinking balls anyway, angrily hitting them as hard as he can (as I have seen some sore losers do after losing a game), ripping holes in the felt on the pool table and then perhaps even breaking his pool stick.
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That’s very interesting thoughts. Like you, I assumed that US/Israel was one of the players. That’s not necessarily the case, I see what you mean. Some people are talking about a small group of bankers ruling the world, almost like a shadow world government. I always found such ideas a little too obscure. However, what if there are actually not just one, but two such players working in the shadows? I like thoughts of balancing forces. What is the other party then, supposedly the deadly enemy of the banker group?

If the pool table is the world then what is the pool hall? The universe? I think I have just gone cosmic on you.
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No problem. The universe is impossible to imagine without metaphors, this may be as good as any.

Other thoughts:

I do not think you are playing snooker, because you saw an 8-ball with the number 8 on it, right? (IIRC, European billiard balls are not numbered and I think snooker balls can be numbered, but they are numbered differently, so the black ball would not have the number 8 on it. You are playing pool/billiards (with the name "pool" being coined due to people betting on pool games/pooling their bets).
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Ok, this cannot be Snooker then. It was a black ball with the number 8 printed on the sides in white circles. It was a normal pool ball (we usually call the game “biljard” in Sweden, btw, I should have called it ‘billiards’ if I only knew you can say that in English).

It's not just a game; it's a game with stakes, and the stakes can be very high depending on who is playing.
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This is another interesting thought. What could possibly be stakes high enough to motivate this game to be played? I have no idea. It cannot be just about money and power in the usual sense. Or can it?

This may cause a lot of people to wonder what's so special about Iran? what makes it the 8-ball/"game-over" ball? I would rather not find out. But, from what I've read, a US attack on Iran could end up being what sparks a major nuclear exchange. Russia and China are not going to just sit on their thumbs and let the USA take over the entire middle-east. Sooner or later the USA is going to overreach and get its hand slapped hard, and then of course the USA will start hitting back. I think an attack on Iran may be what makes countries like Russia and China stand up and tell the USA, "you have gone too far -- enough is enough". That could be why Iran is the 8-ball.
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This is a possibility some people think of and writes about. I have a particularly bad feeling about this one, it was the reason I asked the question to begin with.

In your vision it was twilight -- that gives you an idea of the timing/season. The 8-ball is suspended but has not dropped yet, but it IS going to drop, IMO; the players ARE going to finish this game. The other balls are there; the table is there; the sticks are there; the players are there -- you just cannot see them, because you are lying inside the pocket/crater with the 8-ball supended above you. It's interesting that the crater is large but the 8-ball is just an average-sized pool ball, and I take it that the crater is quite deep too? That sounds like quite a pocket, and the 8-ball is in for one very big fall (and I really think the cue ball is in for a major fall too; I think they're both going to end up in that pocket). And, you say this was the crater of a sleeping volcano. Well, volcanoes erupt. And, sleeping volcanoes can wake up.
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The ball was suspended in air over my head, rotating on a fixed position in space. Not moving towards me or away from me. I take it the future is still not decided.

I’m starting to be really curious about the “hidden players”, if there is any truth in this vision and the wild interpretation exercise!

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My friend had a dream about an 8-ball about a month ago, he is really loosing it, his life is a mess and he refuses to see it.
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My friend had a dream about an 8-ball about a month ago, he is really loosing it, his life is a mess and he refuses to see it.
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Haha, don't worry! I've been like this for decades, I'm used to deal with strange experiences and love it!

Love,
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YOU DO REALIZE THE PRIME DIRECTIVE OF BILLIARDS IS TO ELIMINATE ALL THE OTHER COLOURS OFF THE TABLE LEAVING WHITE ONLY

KIND OF LIKE A GIANT GREAT DANE STARING YOU DOWN TILL YOU FEEL SMALL AND HELPLESS INSIDE A TOILETBOWL EXISTENCE
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Well, that's one way of looking at it. However, I didn't feel helpless lying at the bottom of that crater. On the contrary, I feel full of power as in those strange dreamscapes, and carry that feeling with me into the state of full consciousness.

No Great Dane stares me down, ever.

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom
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Peachblossom!

Your vision is profound...scary too.

The Eight ball spins, it must drop.

Stakes are high, the players are huge, perhaps the universal powers of light and dark?

God/Satan etc.

The powers that be......
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Peachblossom!

Your vision is profound...scary too.

The Eight ball spins, it must drop.

Stakes are high, the players are huge, perhaps the universal powers of light and dark?

God/Satan etc.

The powers that be......
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I take visions like this quite seriously as such. They are as real to me as reality itself. Judging from the feeling I had at the time, I was not scared at all. Just curious why I was presented with this odd scenario in response to my question.

Interpreted visions may approach the truth about a matter of concern, but *are* not the truth. This is because we have to interpret them to decode the messages, all kinds of error sources are introduced that makes it very difficult to draw conclusions. Our preconceived assumptions about "how things are" or "used to be" constitutes an obvious bias to the interpretation, which has been demonstrated in this thread I believe.

Also, don't rule out the possibility that some less benevolent spirit is presenting you with a false vision, intended to mislead you into doing bad things. This is why all visions need to be tested against reality. Regarding visions about the future, this is not possible (until after the fact of course) which means there is an element of faith involved.

In deeper states of trance it is often possible to interrogate the spirit informers just as you do in real life with real informants, this makes you feel more certain. Then again, all knowledge acquired by whatever means must be tested, as always.

Regarding this particular vision I had no such opportunities, but on the other hand previous visions like this has turned out to be extremely valuable in the end so I have no personal reason to doubt the good intent behind the vision as such.

Preconceived assumptions is often an obstacle for us. For instance, who says a billiard ball has to drop to the ground, awakening the sleeping volcano? Obviously, some force prevented it to, and there is no reason to belive it cannot continue. Maybe even the 8-ball can be pushed up, away from the situation.

Maybe the vision sounds dark, but I'm not so sure about the assumptions about God and Satan being the players here (assuming we are on the right track about the interpretation and the vision is a "true vision"). I have more a feeling that the players are plain humans, individuals or more likely groups of people that are hidden from us, not exposed in media and stuff like that.

To me, they are more likely to be some greedy, insanely wealthy groups of people that are pushing the rest of the world population around in their quest for total dominance over the resources that built their wealth to begin with.

In that sense, they are nothing to worry about. I believe we should be much more worried over ourselves, why we are so easily manipulated to play their game. One reason may be that some of us are trying all their lives to become just like them, being positioned at the very top of world dominance. Others may feel satisfied with pursuing the components of the 'American Dream', or 'Swedish Dream' for that matter. I think these are a few of the most useful instruments of manipulation for the dominant players.

As I proposed earlier based on rumors and conspiracy theories floating around the net, one the players may be a group of extremely powerful western bankers. I still have no idea what the other party may be. Maybe an extremely powerful contingent based in Asia, who knows.

Love,
/LTC Peachblossom

PS. Maybe there is only one "player". There are limits to the metaphors presented in visions and/or our capabilities to interpret them correctly. Besides, they say it is lonely at the top :)
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