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Cathy O'Brien and her handler Mark Phillips have apparently kidnapped a young girl named Shaela Miller and are mind controlling her.

 
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People can make up some funny shit...



This forum in general is for dumbasses to rant and rave about shit that never comes to fruition. I don't believe Shaela exists. Cathy & Mark are clearly liars. People pretending to be her family on here are all actresses. That girl in the video with Mark & Cathy is clearly Swedish, doesn't even look American. Most likely an actress.

When will people stop roleplaying and be real on here?
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I'm Shaela O'Brien. I had my name changed legally before I left the states. I use to be known as Shaela Miller when I lived with my ex-parents (Tammy & Scott Miller)in the USA, but I consider Cathy O'Brien my mom & Mark Phillips my dad since I've been adopted into their family. I chose to take Cathy's last name because she has been such a great mother to me.

I've never had a loving family before like the time I spent with Mark & Cathy. You have no idea how healing living with them was and how much I grew as an adult under their care.


Let me answer a few of your questions.

1. I was never kidnapped. I went on my own free will to live with Cathy & Mark.

2. I am not missing, I want nothing at all to do with the Millers, which is why I have no contact with them at all anymore.

3. I was not mind-controlled or sexually abused by Mark or Cathy.

4. My sisters are brainwashed like I use to be. I was the oldest and they were too young to know what was going on with me. My dad made me the target of his desire.

5. I no longer live with Mark & Cathy. I live in Germany with my fiance. Soon my name will change once again.


This thread is nothing but disinformation being made to try make me & my adopted parents look bad. It's slanderous and should be deleted.
 Quoting: Shaela O'Brien 70190513


If you are really Shaela, What is your nick name?
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I'm Shaela O'Brien. I had my name changed legally before I left the states. I use to be known as Shaela Miller when I lived with my ex-parents (Tammy & Scott Miller)in the USA, but I consider Cathy O'Brien my mom & Mark Phillips my dad since I've been adopted into their family. I chose to take Cathy's last name because she has been such a great mother to me.

I've never had a loving family before like the time I spent with Mark & Cathy. You have no idea how healing living with them was and how much I grew as an adult under their care.


Let me answer a few of your questions.

1. I was never kidnapped. I went on my own free will to live with Cathy & Mark.

2. I am not missing, I want nothing at all to do with the Millers, which is why I have no contact with them at all anymore.

3. I was not mind-controlled or sexually abused by Mark or Cathy.

4. My sisters are brainwashed like I use to be. I was the oldest and they were too young to know what was going on with me. My dad made me the target of his desire.

5. I no longer live with Mark & Cathy. I live in Germany with my fiance. Soon my name will change once again.


This thread is nothing but disinformation being made to try make me & my adopted parents look bad. It's slanderous and should be deleted.
 Quoting: Shaela O'Brien 70190513


If you are really Shaela, What is your nick name?
 Quoting: Tammy Miller


This is Shaela's Dad. I feel that it's time I make a public comment. I have resisted so far because, frankly, I know how people feel toward someone accused of such horrific things. For years, when I would hear of such a case, it was typical for me to react with anger toward the accused perpetrator with all kinds of horrible things that I think should be done to them even though I had no real idea whether they were actually guilty or not. Child sexual abuse is too horrific to allow us to easily "take the high road" of non-judgement until we really know if they are guilty.

So I will state up front, there is no way I could have or would have ever done anything like that to any of my children or anyone else; it did not happen. And it never happened to Shaela unless someone else did something. Shaela's initial accusations included a time period when she was about four years old where she claimed she was ritualistically, satanically abused or something like that. I don't even know how to do that. I always took every measure I could to protect my children from this kind of thing.

I do blame myself for ignoring the accumulating signs that something was very wrong with Mark and Cathy. I sometimes come across subject matters that I have to know everything about so when I heard about and read Tranceformation, I made contact with Mark Phillips. I recall that I wanted to see for myself if they were for real. After one or two emails back and forth (I don't recall what we talked about), I sent Mark a quote from a speech by James Traficant. It sounded all patriotic and I thought he might enjoy it. His response back to me was a touch of anger or disgust because I didn't remember that he had written about Traficant in his book and that Traficant was a "bad guy". I felt like "ok...whatever...I was just sharing". But that was an early hint of Mark's personality disorder.

I don't want to repeat what has already been said but Shaela started emailing Cathy. One day Shaela came to me and asked if I thought it was ok for her to talk to Cathy on the phone. Sure. Why not? It was strange the way Cathy and Shaela's relationship grew so close over the phone. Should that have been a red flag? At the time, I couldn't see why it would be. We all felt deep compassion for Cathy because of what she had supposedly been through. Seriously, how dangerous could she be?

So Mark and Cathy flew to a conference they were speaking at that was a few hours away from where we were living. When Shaela met Cathy in person for the first time, they hugged and cried with happiness. At the time it really didn't bother me. Should it have? It does now.

Some time later, Shaela came to me and said that Mark and Cathy had asked her to work for them. She would have to move there and live with them. They stressed that it had to be after she was no longer a minor. I thought that maybe Mark was just being wise because of the appearance that would create. Now I wonder.

Shaela was so excited about the idea. I didn't want her to leave. But we were having a very difficult time getting Shaela to move forward in her life. She would not go to college or get a job at the time. I thought that maybe working for Mark and Cathy would give her good experiences. And what a great work...exposing other peoples' suffering and maybe contributing to a healing of our country. Still, my feelings were unclear. I was upset about her leaving but I thought I was only upset about her leaving. I believe humans are very empathic and intuitive but they need to be able to recognize it. It wasn't until we took Shaela to the airport to fly to Mark and Cathy in Alabama that I was overcome with dread...a deep dread like being marched to the gallows would feel. If I would have trusted my intuition more, I would have said "no" right then.

Everything seemed fine for the first six months or so. Except that everything I would talk to Shaela about on the phone would get discussed with Mark. Then she would get on the phone with me and tell me all the things I should do "according to Mark". Mark was becoming the final word on everything, which, of course, stressed my ego.

Then they invited me to come and visit. Backing up a bit, I need to relate that Cathy had offered to do a handwriting analysis on everybody in our family. Apparently, she was trained in the highest level of hand writing analysis. I thought "what a nice person!" So we sent handwriting samples for each of us including the very young twins. This leads back to my visit with them because Mark had offered to do some kind of analysis of me so he could give some advice. I filled out questionares and did some other things I can't fully recall now. It seemed pretty benign. He said I needed to meditate with the idea of "cold" or "ice" because that's what the tests showed. When I got home, I got a poster of some winter ice and tried to apply what he had said.

My visit there was very interesting. They showed me items Cathy had saved that were allegedly the same items from the stories in their book. There were the red Dorothy slippers and other trinkets. I took pictures. It all seemed quite real. At one point, Cathy was leaving the room to get something and Shaela said "Can I give you a hand?". I didn't notice anything but after she left the room, Mark told Shaela that you can't say that to her because of that one handler she supposedly had who would cut off human hands for satanic rituals...he would say "Can I give you a hand?"

I saw scars on Cathy that she said were from the cattle prods. I sat next to her and watched as she had additional memory flashbacks and it really did not look like she was putting on a show for me. At one point, I was so overcome with the sick depths of Cathy's experiences that I gave her a hug and said something like "please know that all men are not like that". Mark was watching from across the room.

My point in relating the above is that I really don't know what the true story is when it comes to Cathy's past. The only thing I am sure of at this point is that Mark is one big walking liar. I know because he has since told horrible lies about me and my family as well as other people discussed below. At this point, it is obvious to me that Cathy is totally manipulated by Mark. She changes her opinion to match his no matter what the subject is. She never disagrees with him. I believe he completely controlled Cathy's memory recall. I can only guess why but I really do not know. On the other hand, while believing Cathy is still a victim, I have found myself very angry with her that she did not protect Shaela from Mark...I'm just being honest.

And I believe that the tests and analyses Mark conducted on my family and myself were later used to control and intimidate us.

The first notable event that woke me up was an email Mark sent to me. His email accused us of being bad parents with a slew of bizarre reasons. Then he threatened that if we ever said anything negative about him or Shaela that he would come after me "from beyond the grave". Backing up again, Mark had told me about how he was in a dispute with his ex-wife so he got two or three of his spook friends to "take care of it" for him. He said they put her in the trunk of their car and three days later she completely backed down and stopped hassling Mark. I asked what they did to her and he laughed and said "I don't know". Why did he tell me that?

Back to the email from Mark, well, I was devastated. I thought he was my friend. And now I was being threatened by this ex-CIA guy who had my daughter (are they really ever "ex" CIA?). Several years later I found a post by Mark on the internet in response to some guy challenging him...he personally attacked this guy and threatened to have him put on the sex-offender list (as if Mark had such power)...and I don't think he even knew him. More recently, a woman emailed Mark about Shaela using the email address that has always been right there on their website only to attack her in the same way by calling her a prostitute, saying she was into porn, that she inappropriately obtained his email address, and that she better watch out for law enforcement. That exchange, with the actual email Mark sent, is posted on the forums. A real class act guy huh?

After Mark's email to me, I immediately emailed Shaela. There was no way she would be a party to this. There was no way she would agree to such negative things about me. I got no response. I emailed again. No response. More devastation. Weeks went by then months went by without hearing from her. I know this was because Mark told her not to respond to me. I had this growing feeling that I was like their psychological experiment and I was to be dealt with only according to Mark's instructions. Mark knew that this action would be very hurtful to the relationship Shaela and I had.

I'm a little confused about the time line but it was sometime during this time that Mark had instructed Shaela that if anyone in her family wants to talk to her, they had to send an email to set an appointment and explain beforehand what was going to be talked about. Another blazing red flag. Once, Shaela's younger brother called her and Mark answered. Mark said that Shaela wasn't there. Shaela's brother identified himself and at that point Mark said "Oh, let me get her"...he had thought it was me.

During this time period, Shaela was still occasionally in contact with her younger brother. On one call, she told him that she was having some surgery. We also knew that she was in some kind of "therapy". I still do not know who the therapist was or who chose the so-called therapist.

By this time, everybody in the family was telling me that Shaela was being mind controlled. I was finally starting to believe it too. But the final proof came about a year or two later. We were desperate to find out if she was even still alive and managed to get a message to her to "call her mother"

The response was an email from Shaela. Shaela accused Tammy and I of all kinds of bizarre things including the above-mentioned ritual abuse when she was about four years old. She also informed us that she had her tubes tied because she can't be responsible for perpetuating such bad dna. I will never forget the trauma of that day and I seem to remember every minute of it. I am blessed enough that each one of my other children informed me that it was obvious Shaela is totally brainwashed and that they know nothing like that stuff ever happened. They are awesome children.

It was around the same time period that we got hold of the post made by Shaela's childhood friend Jessie. It all came together like a ton of bricks falling on my head. Therapy? Surgery? Threesomes? Living with a mind-control expert that obviously lacked a conscience? Again, threesomes? With old people? My beautiful daughter with these old people? I didn't even have to imagine what horror she might be facing because now we knew it was true!

Abusing a man's daughter right in front of him is one of the worst things that can be done to a human. But Mark compounded the attack by making that "interview" video in Germany. For anybody who ever knew Shaela, it is crystal clear that this is not her...except for her physical presence. I believe that is why they misspelled and mispronounced her name several times...they didn't want us to find it because they didn't want the blow back from such an obvious fake. And they knew that anybody who ever knew Shaela would know it was a fake.

Note that Shaela has been ruthless to her siblings. It appears that her excuse is that it's because they still have "anything to do with the parents". I'm sure it's because Mark knows she would feel the love from her family, which may actually cure the situation. I hope nobody out there has ever had to watch your teenage and adult children go through something like this.

If I had only googled Mark. If only. The truth about Mark is all over the internet. There's a Rense.com article called The Truth About Mark Phillips that really spells a lot out. And then there are his dealings with Sue Ford. Sue Ford claims to be the 1960's MK-Ultra mind-control victim she spells out in her book Thanks for the Memories. Her 1960's name is Brice Taylor. She went to Mark and Cathy with the hope of being helped through the trauma of the abuse she wrote about. We contacted Sue Ford and she seemed tired but, for some reason, she didn't really want to talk about it. After we emailed her a second time, she wrote that "Mark's open-eyed hypnosis nearly drove me crazy". To this day, I still do not know what "open-eyed hypnosis" is. Sue Ford claims that Mark and Cathy ripped her off to the tune of $75,000. She said that after he was done with her money, he told her she wasn't abused after all. I do recall that when I was visiting, Cathy tried to tell me something negative and perverted about Sue Ford.

Research all this and you will see that whatever Mark says, the opposite is true. He also strangely thinks that the word "parent" equals "abuser". When I was visiting, he had it in his mind that Tammy's parents had abused her, which is insane...and he had never even met them. Mark has no concept of families and the kind of love and tenderness that is usually there. I've chalked it up to Mark's horrendous upbringing; nevertheless, he is without feeling and he lacks a conscience, which is a partial definition of a sociopath and/or psychopath. So, Sue Ford wasn't abused, Ted Gunderson is a pedophile, and I am an abuser...yea right.

In your internet search, you will likely find the article wherein Mark explains how to mind control someone. In that terrifying article he says something like don't try this at home because you will end up in jail. Hmmmmmm.

Shaela had demonstrated some awesome phychic abilities when she was a teenager. I even took her to "psychic expos" and people would pay her for readings. People were calling her on the phone for readings for some time. She was the real deal. She did not, however, pursue that route. For you researchers out there, consider what it means that Shaela is very psychic, she is extremely beautiful, and her first shot at leaving home landed her with these people who are experts in mind control. Then we have evidence from the friend Jessie that Shaela has been sexually taken advantage of.

Friends quit several years ago asking about Shaela. What reason can I give them that would explain why someone like Shaela would waste eight years so far of the prime of her life with people old enough to be her grandparents?

I have never lost a child to death but I have lost this child over and over again as we keep convincing ourselves that there may be hope for her only to get some communication or see something like the Germany video, which causes us to relive the loss all over again...and again.
Warmest Regards,
Scott

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I made up the Shaela O'Brien & Shaela's Master posts, as well as posted all the hypno slave videos out of boredom. I'm not your daughter, sorry.

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Your daughter is really pretty though. I wish I was her mind control handler. Mark's one lucky bastard. I would kill him if I was a father and he had my daughter under mind control.

Let's hope he has a heart attack.
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I made up the Shaela O'Brien & Shaela's Master posts, as well as posted all the hypno slave videos out of boredom. I'm not your daughter, sorry.

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Your daughter is really pretty though. I wish I was her mind control handler. Mark's one lucky bastard. I would kill him if I was a father and he had my daughter under mind control.

Let's hope he has a heart attack.
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I made up the Shaela O'Brien & Shaela's Master posts, as well as posted all the hypno slave videos out of boredom. I'm not your daughter, sorry.

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Your daughter is really pretty though. I wish I was her mind control handler. Mark's one lucky bastard. I would kill him if I was a father and he had my daughter under mind control.

Let's hope he has a heart attack.
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I made up the Shaela O'Brien & Shaela's Master posts, as well as posted all the hypno slave videos out of boredom. I'm not your daughter, sorry.

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Your daughter is really pretty though. I wish I was her mind control handler. Mark's one lucky bastard. I would kill him if I was a father and he had my daughter under mind control.

Let's hope he has a heart attack.
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I'm Shaela O'Brien. I had my name changed legally before I left the states. I use to be known as Shaela Miller when I lived with my ex-parents (Tammy & Scott Miller)in the USA, but I consider Cathy O'Brien my mom & Mark Phillips my dad since I've been adopted into their family. I chose to take Cathy's last name because she has been such a great mother to me.

I've never had a loving family before like the time I spent with Mark & Cathy. You have no idea how healing living with them was and how much I grew as an adult under their care.


Let me answer a few of your questions.

1. I was never kidnapped. I went on my own free will to live with Cathy & Mark.

2. I am not missing, I want nothing at all to do with the Millers, which is why I have no contact with them at all anymore.

3. I was not mind-controlled or sexually abused by Mark or Cathy.

4. My sisters are brainwashed like I use to be. I was the oldest and they were too young to know what was going on with me. My dad made me the target of his desire.

5. I no longer live with Mark & Cathy. I live in Germany with my fiance. Soon my name will change once again.


This thread is nothing but disinformation being made to try make me & my adopted parents look bad. It's slanderous and should be deleted.
 Quoting: Shaela O'Brien 70190513


If you are really Shaela, What is your nick name?
 Quoting: Tammy Miller


This is Shaela's Dad. I feel that it's time I make a public comment. I have resisted so far because, frankly, I know how people feel toward someone accused of such horrific things. For years, when I would hear of such a case, it was typical for me to react with anger toward the accused perpetrator with all kinds of horrible things that I think should be done to them even though I had no real idea whether they were actually guilty or not. Child sexual abuse is too horrific to allow us to easily "take the high road" of non-judgement until we really know if they are guilty.

So I will state up front, there is no way I could have or would have ever done anything like that to any of my children or anyone else; it did not happen. And it never happened to Shaela unless someone else did something. Shaela's initial accusations included a time period when she was about four years old where she claimed she was ritualistically, satanically abused or something like that. I don't even know how to do that. I always took every measure I could to protect my children from this kind of thing.

I do blame myself for ignoring the accumulating signs that something was very wrong with Mark and Cathy. I sometimes come across subject matters that I have to know everything about so when I heard about and read Tranceformation, I made contact with Mark Phillips. I recall that I wanted to see for myself if they were for real. After one or two emails back and forth (I don't recall what we talked about), I sent Mark a quote from a speech by James Traficant. It sounded all patriotic and I thought he might enjoy it. His response back to me was a touch of anger or disgust because I didn't remember that he had written about Traficant in his book and that Traficant was a "bad guy". I felt like "ok...whatever...I was just sharing". But that was an early hint of Mark's personality disorder.

I don't want to repeat what has already been said but Shaela started emailing Cathy. One day Shaela came to me and asked if I thought it was ok for her to talk to Cathy on the phone. Sure. Why not? It was strange the way Cathy and Shaela's relationship grew so close over the phone. Should that have been a red flag? At the time, I couldn't see why it would be. We all felt deep compassion for Cathy because of what she had supposedly been through. Seriously, how dangerous could she be?

So Mark and Cathy flew to a conference they were speaking at that was a few hours away from where we were living. When Shaela met Cathy in person for the first time, they hugged and cried with happiness. At the time it really didn't bother me. Should it have? It does now.

Some time later, Shaela came to me and said that Mark and Cathy had asked her to work for them. She would have to move there and live with them. They stressed that it had to be after she was no longer a minor. I thought that maybe Mark was just being wise because of the appearance that would create. Now I wonder.

Shaela was so excited about the idea. I didn't want her to leave. But we were having a very difficult time getting Shaela to move forward in her life. She would not go to college or get a job at the time. I thought that maybe working for Mark and Cathy would give her good experiences. And what a great work...exposing other peoples' suffering and maybe contributing to a healing of our country. Still, my feelings were unclear. I was upset about her leaving but I thought I was only upset about her leaving. I believe humans are very empathic and intuitive but they need to be able to recognize it. It wasn't until we took Shaela to the airport to fly to Mark and Cathy in Alabama that I was overcome with dread...a deep dread like being marched to the gallows would feel. If I would have trusted my intuition more, I would have said "no" right then.

Everything seemed fine for the first six months or so. Except that everything I would talk to Shaela about on the phone would get discussed with Mark. Then she would get on the phone with me and tell me all the things I should do "according to Mark". Mark was becoming the final word on everything, which, of course, stressed my ego.

Then they invited me to come and visit. Backing up a bit, I need to relate that Cathy had offered to do a handwriting analysis on everybody in our family. Apparently, she was trained in the highest level of hand writing analysis. I thought "what a nice person!" So we sent handwriting samples for each of us including the very young twins. This leads back to my visit with them because Mark had offered to do some kind of analysis of me so he could give some advice. I filled out questionares and did some other things I can't fully recall now. It seemed pretty benign. He said I needed to meditate with the idea of "cold" or "ice" because that's what the tests showed. When I got home, I got a poster of some winter ice and tried to apply what he had said.

My visit there was very interesting. They showed me items Cathy had saved that were allegedly the same items from the stories in their book. There were the red Dorothy slippers and other trinkets. I took pictures. It all seemed quite real. At one point, Cathy was leaving the room to get something and Shaela said "Can I give you a hand?". I didn't notice anything but after she left the room, Mark told Shaela that you can't say that to her because of that one handler she supposedly had who would cut off human hands for satanic rituals...he would say "Can I give you a hand?"

I saw scars on Cathy that she said were from the cattle prods. I sat next to her and watched as she had additional memory flashbacks and it really did not look like she was putting on a show for me. At one point, I was so overcome with the sick depths of Cathy's experiences that I gave her a hug and said something like "please know that all men are not like that". Mark was watching from across the room.

My point in relating the above is that I really don't know what the true story is when it comes to Cathy's past. The only thing I am sure of at this point is that Mark is one big walking liar. I know because he has since told horrible lies about me and my family as well as other people discussed below. At this point, it is obvious to me that Cathy is totally manipulated by Mark. She changes her opinion to match his no matter what the subject is. She never disagrees with him. I believe he completely controlled Cathy's memory recall. I can only guess why but I really do not know. On the other hand, while believing Cathy is still a victim, I have found myself very angry with her that she did not protect Shaela from Mark...I'm just being honest.

And I believe that the tests and analyses Mark conducted on my family and myself were later used to control and intimidate us.

The first notable event that woke me up was an email Mark sent to me. His email accused us of being bad parents with a slew of bizarre reasons. Then he threatened that if we ever said anything negative about him or Shaela that he would come after me "from beyond the grave". Backing up again, Mark had told me about how he was in a dispute with his ex-wife so he got two or three of his spook friends to "take care of it" for him. He said they put her in the trunk of their car and three days later she completely backed down and stopped hassling Mark. I asked what they did to her and he laughed and said "I don't know". Why did he tell me that?

Back to the email from Mark, well, I was devastated. I thought he was my friend. And now I was being threatened by this ex-CIA guy who had my daughter (are they really ever "ex" CIA?). Several years later I found a post by Mark on the internet in response to some guy challenging him...he personally attacked this guy and threatened to have him put on the sex-offender list (as if Mark had such power)...and I don't think he even knew him. More recently, a woman emailed Mark about Shaela using the email address that has always been right there on their website only to attack her in the same way by calling her a prostitute, saying she was into porn, that she inappropriately obtained his email address, and that she better watch out for law enforcement. That exchange, with the actual email Mark sent, is posted on the forums. A real class act guy huh?

After Mark's email to me, I immediately emailed Shaela. There was no way she would be a party to this. There was no way she would agree to such negative things about me. I got no response. I emailed again. No response. More devastation. Weeks went by then months went by without hearing from her. I know this was because Mark told her not to respond to me. I had this growing feeling that I was like their psychological experiment and I was to be dealt with only according to Mark's instructions. Mark knew that this action would be very hurtful to the relationship Shaela and I had.

I'm a little confused about the time line but it was sometime during this time that Mark had instructed Shaela that if anyone in her family wants to talk to her, they had to send an email to set an appointment and explain beforehand what was going to be talked about. Another blazing red flag. Once, Shaela's younger brother called her and Mark answered. Mark said that Shaela wasn't there. Shaela's brother identified himself and at that point Mark said "Oh, let me get her"...he had thought it was me.

During this time period, Shaela was still occasionally in contact with her younger brother. On one call, she told him that she was having some surgery. We also knew that she was in some kind of "therapy". I still do not know who the therapist was or who chose the so-called therapist.

By this time, everybody in the family was telling me that Shaela was being mind controlled. I was finally starting to believe it too. But the final proof came about a year or two later. We were desperate to find out if she was even still alive and managed to get a message to her to "call her mother"

The response was an email from Shaela. Shaela accused Tammy and I of all kinds of bizarre things including the above-mentioned ritual abuse when she was about four years old. She also informed us that she had her tubes tied because she can't be responsible for perpetuating such bad dna. I will never forget the trauma of that day and I seem to remember every minute of it. I am blessed enough that each one of my other children informed me that it was obvious Shaela is totally brainwashed and that they know nothing like that stuff ever happened. They are awesome children.

It was around the same time period that we got hold of the post made by Shaela's childhood friend Jessie. It all came together like a ton of bricks falling on my head. Therapy? Surgery? Threesomes? Living with a mind-control expert that obviously lacked a conscience? Again, threesomes? With old people? My beautiful daughter with these old people? I didn't even have to imagine what horror she might be facing because now we knew it was true!

Abusing a man's daughter right in front of him is one of the worst things that can be done to a human. But Mark compounded the attack by making that "interview" video in Germany. For anybody who ever knew Shaela, it is crystal clear that this is not her...except for her physical presence. I believe that is why they misspelled and mispronounced her name several times...they didn't want us to find it because they didn't want the blow back from such an obvious fake. And they knew that anybody who ever knew Shaela would know it was a fake.

Note that Shaela has been ruthless to her siblings. It appears that her excuse is that it's because they still have "anything to do with the parents". I'm sure it's because Mark knows she would feel the love from her family, which may actually cure the situation. I hope nobody out there has ever had to watch your teenage and adult children go through something like this.

If I had only googled Mark. If only. The truth about Mark is all over the internet. There's a Rense.com article called The Truth About Mark Phillips that really spells a lot out. And then there are his dealings with Sue Ford. Sue Ford claims to be the 1960's MK-Ultra mind-control victim she spells out in her book Thanks for the Memories. Her 1960's name is Brice Taylor. She went to Mark and Cathy with the hope of being helped through the trauma of the abuse she wrote about. We contacted Sue Ford and she seemed tired but, for some reason, she didn't really want to talk about it. After we emailed her a second time, she wrote that "Mark's open-eyed hypnosis nearly drove me crazy". To this day, I still do not know what "open-eyed hypnosis" is. Sue Ford claims that Mark and Cathy ripped her off to the tune of $75,000. She said that after he was done with her money, he told her she wasn't abused after all. I do recall that when I was visiting, Cathy tried to tell me something negative and perverted about Sue Ford.

Research all this and you will see that whatever Mark says, the opposite is true. He also strangely thinks that the word "parent" equals "abuser". When I was visiting, he had it in his mind that Tammy's parents had abused her, which is insane...and he had never even met them. Mark has no concept of families and the kind of love and tenderness that is usually there. I've chalked it up to Mark's horrendous upbringing; nevertheless, he is without feeling and he lacks a conscience, which is a partial definition of a sociopath and/or psychopath. So, Sue Ford wasn't abused, Ted Gunderson is a pedophile, and I am an abuser...yea right.

In your internet search, you will likely find the article wherein Mark explains how to mind control someone. In that terrifying article he says something like don't try this at home because you will end up in jail. Hmmmmmm.

Shaela had demonstrated some awesome phychic abilities when she was a teenager. I even took her to "psychic expos" and people would pay her for readings. People were calling her on the phone for readings for some time. She was the real deal. She did not, however, pursue that route. For you researchers out there, consider what it means that Shaela is very psychic, she is extremely beautiful, and her first shot at leaving home landed her with these people who are experts in mind control. Then we have evidence from the friend Jessie that Shaela has been sexually taken advantage of.

Friends quit several years ago asking about Shaela. What reason can I give them that would explain why someone like Shaela would waste eight years so far of the prime of her life with people old enough to be her grandparents?

I have never lost a child to death but I have lost this child over and over again as we keep convincing ourselves that there may be hope for her only to get some communication or see something like the Germany video, which causes us to relive the loss all over again...and again.
Warmest Regards,
Scott
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I am heartbroken to read this Scott. I am following this story, I have seen the videos and it seems very clear to me that Shaela even herself does not believe the things she is saying.

I have watched videos of Mark speaking publicly, his rhythm and cadence are hypnotic, this is a man who is a master of manipulation so far as I can tell. I have read all of tranceformation and the book itself testifies to the fact that Cathy, undoubtably a real victim in many ways, recognizes him as her handler.

Indeed, a very difficult situation. Shaela seems to be very intelligent and empathetic, these are qualities that are considered desirable from the standpoint of a programmer.

I'd be willing to bet a pretty penny Mark is still in the employ of the CIA too.
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So..why not go to the police?

It seems as if her parents rather come on GLP and tell us their story than to actually do something about it...

We can't help you. The police most likely can.
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The article that Scott was referencing about Mark is here:

"The True Story About Mark Philips"
[link to www.rense.com]

It is an interesting read
Food for thought.
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There's two routes the Millers can go if they want to resolve this, raise funds for a lawsuit that would fully reveal the backgrounds of these people via depositions & discovery subpoenas, alternately the dad should take the video of his daughter to children's services or the police & ask to be investigated, which would eventually lead to these people's past being turned over by investigators. It could be tough being investigated but the only way besides a lawsuit to clear the family name.

One major thing in the Miller's favor, no investigators will buy Mark & Cathy's tall tales at face value so they are bound to have old court documents unsealed & the past turned out including Mark's actual employment records.

To all the doubters, cult indoctrination & Stockholm Syndrome are real effects, besides hypnosis as Mark apparently uses is capable of making almost anyone believe any false reality. If that gross, old overwight chain smoker is having intimate contact with Shaela most people would assume she's been brainwashed. Again if all the known facts are as both parties state in my 4 decades of expertise in these topics this is a tragic scam.

The major piece of the puzzle will be revealing the actual juvenile court records re Cathy's daughter being taken by children's services, Mark claims they put up a fight so why are there no appellate court hearings or federal lawsuits to overturn those juvenile hearings? Has Cathy EVER published actual documents from those hearings?

Starting a criminsl conspiracy & fraud lawsuit against them would open those files, also going to the state claiming a cult "kidnapping" might well get the authorities after these people.

Besides doing a crowdfunding to afford legal action, this negative publicity washes away what credibility these people had in the victim community, they are fake therapists with no training in deprogramming or psychotherapy just like amatuer shrunk Fritz Springmeier who also seduced married Cidco Wheeler while claiming to be a minister.

This conspiracy genre is full of hustlers & sociopaths claiming they are out to save the world while selling books & charging for seminars. By their videos Mark has zero credibility & comes off like a typical con-man.
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Yes, 727 raises good points imo.
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Typing on phone... Meant "Cisco Wheeler" whom "Illuminati researcher/minister" Fritz Springmeier seduced while her husband was in anothet part of the house, while Fritz hsd a wife & young children at home.

There are all kinds of oddballs & damaged people drawn into this genre that actually benefit TPTB just like people that have out there UFO abductions with no proof. The cranks claiming to sleep with all the presidents & movie stars rarely have a scrap of evidence & sound like mixed up Las Vegas crack whores that woke up after decades of prostitution & drug addiction & blamed the CIA for being their pimp when it was their own bad choices in drugs & friends.

The fakers then dilute the stories of actual credible victims such as Svali, though anytime "recovered memories" are claimed there can be doubts about therapists & deprogrammers implanting suggestions such as Colin Ross MD was exposed doing when he lost malpractice lawsuits for alleged deprogramming.
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As GLP only reaches a small demographic the Millers should start a Facebook page and associated group so they can control the trolls besides reaching the huge Facebook audience. Post a link here.

If nothing else you reach the market that buys these people's books & lectures & also the particular SRA/MPD demographic which is a small fringe movement though including various professionals such as the two previously mentioned. Some of those groups are also on Facebook & you can network with them.

Besides a Facebook presence remains while threads here usually last a week or two average. Telling your story was the best thing you could do. A slight deference also has to be given your daughter's allegation but so far the available evidence makes it implausible. You likely are aware any claims like Shaela's that any therapist or LE officer hears are mandated to be reported even despite client/therapist confidentiality? Why I say both parties are likely to be interviewed at some point, I'd opt to go to the authorities & ask to be investigated because all parties' stories will then get investigated.

A civil suit is an advantage, sometimes that's not feasible, plus the door is now open to being proactive before authorities approach you. Consulting a juvenile law attorney would be a vital first step if you still have any minors, a criminal law attorney might be another option, being arrested for your daughter's statements isn't impossible, why I would take the first leap, pray & hold your breath.

A social presence keeping pressure on them is always free & effective. A minimum requirement for them avoiding your escalating these efforts should be Shaela beginning a dialog with her sisters & mother, leading to family/relationship counseling.

The parties then could avoid years of negative publicity, years of civil court litigation & both parties having the government hauling off your computers, business & personal records & many legal depositions. It might be revealing if Mark & Cathy have to document their claims & histories. So far the Millers have a slam dunk tort injury claim many lawyers might take on contingency.
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#justiceforshaela
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I believe what Sue Ford means when she says, "open eye hypnosis" is that she believed she was awake and just having a conversation. If you'd been in the room with her, you'd probably think so as well. Sue Ford is susceptible to hypnosis and she has been hypnotized a number of times before that experience (according to her book, etc.).

There are famous cases, btw, of things like this happening that predate Sue. There is a case from 19th century Europe where a girl is hypnotized on a train by a man to believe he is a doctor. She was going to see a doctor, so this man makes her believe he is one and she has a condition only he can treat. He used this to extort money from her (she thought she was getting treatments).

IDK if this is relevant to Shaela, but I think this may be the kind of thing Sue is talking about. It would be a terrible thing to go through and I don't blame her for avoiding it like the plague.
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As GLP only reaches a small demographic the Millers should start a Facebook page and associated group so they can control the trolls besides reaching the huge Facebook audience. Post a link here.

If nothing else you reach the market that buys these people's books & lectures & also the particular SRA/MPD demographic which is a small fringe movement though including various professionals such as the two previously mentioned. Some of those groups are also on Facebook & you can network with them.

Besides a Facebook presence remains while threads here usually last a week or two average. Telling your story was the best thing you could do. A slight deference also has to be given your daughter's allegation but so far the available evidence makes it implausible. You likely are aware any claims like Shaela's that any therapist or LE officer hears are mandated to be reported even despite client/therapist confidentiality? Why I say both parties are likely to be interviewed at some point, I'd opt to go to the authorities & ask to be investigated because all parties' stories will then get investigated.

A civil suit is an advantage, sometimes that's not feasible, plus the door is now open to being proactive before authorities approach you. Consulting a juvenile law attorney would be a vital first step if you still have any minors, a criminal law attorney might be another option, being arrested for your daughter's statements isn't impossible, why I would take the first leap, pray & hold your breath.

A social presence keeping pressure on them is always free & effective. A minimum requirement for them avoiding your escalating these efforts should be Shaela beginning a dialog with her sisters & mother, leading to family/relationship counseling.

The parties then could avoid years of negative publicity, years of civil court litigation & both parties having the government hauling off your computers, business & personal records & many legal depositions. It might be revealing if Mark & Cathy have to document their claims & histories. So far the Millers have a slam dunk tort injury claim many lawyers might take on contingency.
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These are excellent ideas.
Thank you!!
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
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Can you maybe back up what you're saying by listing these handler quotes?
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
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Can you maybe back up what you're saying by listing these handler quotes?
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I think this person is an attention seeker. A lot is said without a lot of evidence or examples.
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I don't know what it is I personally know, but I will say this. I don't give a fuck anymore to the point that if Mark Phillips himself wants to contact me and use me in the same manner to get evidence or whatever the way he is using them, he is welcome to.

I'll take the blue pill now please.
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For all you know every "deprogrammer" offering to treat legitimate SRA/MPD could be a honeypot handler, hard to penetrate hypnotic conditioning without subjecting oneself to a similar vulnerability. I don't think any hypnosis or regression therapy is worthwhile & unless in the hands of reputable people like the Utah psychologist I named.

Being as 9 out of 10 therapists are likely hacks anyways the value of any psychotherapy is doubtful, maybe Jungian or Cognitive therapy at best, avoiding psych drugs & hypnosis such as Ross used.

There's less than a handful of people in this field with any track record & professionalism, for instance in California anyone can offer services as a "Therapist" whether offering extremes of card reading, Astrology or NLP.

Speaking of NLP, when used for selling or speed dating it's been compared to a form of waking hypnosis. Shaela was quoted as Mark sending her psychic effects & walking through walls, could be psychedelics (doesn't Cathy advocate Marijuana?), hypnosis or psychotronic machines as he's quoted having. A sociopath skilled in persuasion (let alone hypnosis/mind control techniques) can hypnotize whole congregations ala Benny Hinn.

Mark comes off as a Walter Mitty confabulator that read a lot of Tom Clancy & conspiracy books, it would be telling if a lawsuit dredged up his taxable work history to see if his stories are all BS & he was at best a salesman for some high tech company.

One has to be slightly aware of the story of the missing footage on the German video--he could have hacking skills or know some spooks or hackers, alternately got access to their computers & planted a backdoor & later edited the video, it also shows his tight control of interview questions, questionable in a "truth seeker/freedom evangelist" apparently trying to hide things as a control freak.

The Millers & their witnesses should up their security, use phone authorization on their emails, use Bitdefender on Windows or learn security upgrades for Macs such as the NSA publishes, or sources like Macworld. If he truly has spook friends or just access to hackers I wouldn't be careless in this area.
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Hypnosis is dangerous. Only in rare situations should it be considered.
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Hypnosis is dangerous. Only in rare situations should it be considered.
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only dangerous for like one in five people...
doesn't work on everyone
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The following is written by an expert in hypnosis & conversion/mass persuasion & could be a description of what Shaela went through: [link to the-ultimate-frontier.org]
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
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You're retarded. You made that other thread about the black mentally impaired lady who claims she was mind controlled and had 3 babies in 20 months and was orally sodomized by GEORGE BUSH.

I don't know what it is I personally know, but I will say this. I don't give a fuck anymore to the point that if Mark Phillips himself wants to contact me and use me in the same manner to get evidence or whatever the way he is using them, he is welcome to.

I'll take the blue pill now please.
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What's it feel like to wake up every morning, look in the mirror, and see the stupid cunt staring back at you?
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
 Quoting: Kadwalladyr


Can you maybe back up what you're saying by listing these handler quotes?
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I think this person is an attention seeker. A lot is said without a lot of evidence or examples.
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She/He is. Constantly makes up shit. I've seen her/him in other threads doing the same.
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Wow, I just saw a Lifetime movie, similar to this but it happened in Calif. They have a horse ranch.
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I know the father is one sick fuck. I know THAT now.

His letter is filled with NLP phrases and handler quotes.

don't even need to prove it to know that the father is evil.

so is the mother.

cathy and shaela have been abused.

I don't know WHAT to think of Mark.
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No, sorry to break it to you, but you're the sick fuck who hasn't taken her anti-psychotic meds today. I don't believe for one moment that girl was ever abused by her father or any other family member for that matter.

I'm glad this thread has gotten over nine thousand views so far, let's hope it hits the hundred thousand mark, so that these pair of fucks can be exposed for their wickedness perpetrated on an innocent family.

I further hope that it raises awareness to others who think of getting so close to such a deranged couple.
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no, what it shows is that even if you escape the sick shit that some people put other human beings through ..

you can never trust anyone.

.

because everyone is just looking out for number one and has some kind of ulterior motive, and no one really gives a shit if it doesn't have anything to do with them personally.

.

and I am not making a godamn thing up where this is concerned.

I have been through some shit myself is all.

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