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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25993841 United States 08/26/2015 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The word greater means more in number because there will be many people doing them as opposed to Christ Himself doing all the miracles. The bride of Christ will be many walking in the fullness of the stature of Christ. The fullness of th e gentiles coming in is not a number of people, its the fullness of glory and power. Umkay? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67351616 United States 08/26/2015 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. |
natalie (OP) User ID: 50318129 United States 08/26/2015 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67351616 why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. I don't think anyone knows what it is |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70159313 Canada 08/26/2015 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67351616 why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. Why can't people understand metaphors? If they can't do that, the bible is way out of their league, it might as well be Japanese art |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67351616 United States 08/26/2015 03:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67351616 why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. Why can't people understand metaphors? If they can't do that, the bible is way out of their league, it might as well be Japanese art so then you do not believe jesus ever cursed the fig tree making it wilt over and die for not bearing any fruit? you believe he does not have the power to do that? so then he did not ever cast demons out of a flock of pigs either? nor did he walk on water or turn water into wine or heal the sick or raise from the dead? all just metaphors? or do you pick and choose his miracles so in this instance you can squirm away from the fact you cannot move mountains with your mind? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70159313 Canada 08/26/2015 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67351616 why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. Why can't people understand metaphors? If they can't do that, the bible is way out of their league, it might as well be Japanese art so then you do not believe jesus ever cursed the fig tree making it wilt over and die for not bearing any fruit? you believe he does not have the power to do that? so then he did not ever cast demons out of a flock of pigs either? nor did he walk on water or turn water into wine or heal the sick or raise from the dead? all just metaphors? or do you pick and choose his miracles so in this instance you can squirm away from the fact you cannot move mountains with your mind? Ask Jesus these questions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70139879 United States 08/26/2015 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's because Christians don't do what Jesus did to understand what he understood. Not totally their fault; his teachings were incomplete (as recorded) and they're mired in thousands of years of misunderstanding. They think he meant to emulate whatever it is they believe he acted like, but he meant to look inside the way he looked inside. Were more to do that, we would see greater works than his, we would have heaven on earth (some of us already do), and we would understand that the second coming of Christ has nothing to do with a man coming down, and everything to do with understanding our true place in existence. But it's a hard road, a difficult pill to swallow, to get there. And it's more comforting for our minds to believe things rather than to find out the truth for itself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67351616 United States 08/26/2015 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why arent their prayers being answered for them no matter what it is? jesus said so, why isnt it happening? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67351616 why arent they moving mountains with sheer belief? he said that after cursing a tree to death and making it instantly wilt over dead so it was obviously meant literally and not figuratively. why cant they drink poison and live? apparently no one has true faith. Why can't people understand metaphors? If they can't do that, the bible is way out of their league, it might as well be Japanese art so then you do not believe jesus ever cursed the fig tree making it wilt over and die for not bearing any fruit? you believe he does not have the power to do that? so then he did not ever cast demons out of a flock of pigs either? nor did he walk on water or turn water into wine or heal the sick or raise from the dead? all just metaphors? or do you pick and choose his miracles so in this instance you can squirm away from the fact you cannot move mountains with your mind? Ask Jesus these questions. ahahahaha |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70159933 Australia 08/26/2015 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there were groups, other christians killed off who believed thats what they should be doing. can't remember all the killed off sect names. this lot were in france, and a bishop personally tossed the last remaining children off a cliff after encouraging his followers to murder the rest. calverts, calvanists, cathars. something like that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70159313 Canada 08/26/2015 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70159313 Why can't people understand metaphors? If they can't do that, the bible is way out of their league, it might as well be Japanese art so then you do not believe jesus ever cursed the fig tree making it wilt over and die for not bearing any fruit? you believe he does not have the power to do that? so then he did not ever cast demons out of a flock of pigs either? nor did he walk on water or turn water into wine or heal the sick or raise from the dead? all just metaphors? or do you pick and choose his miracles so in this instance you can squirm away from the fact you cannot move mountains with your mind? Ask Jesus these questions. ahahahaha pretty much, you just put up 10 questions in 1 post, when you could ask God for completion ratatatatatattt |
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Zaphnath Paaneah User ID: 61920900 Philippines 08/26/2015 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was talking to His disciples, not Christians. They were given supernatural powers and even the ability to forgive sin. They were sent out only to minister to the Jews who required such signs and wonders to believe, This was never a statement made to Christians and does not apply today. "A religion that gives nothing, costs nothing, and suffers nothing, is worth nothing." ~ Martin Luther "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Philippians 2:3-4 [link to www.badjao.org (secure)] |
natalie (OP) User ID: 50318129 United States 08/26/2015 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was talking to His disciples, not Christians. They were given supernatural powers and even the ability to forgive sin. They were sent out only to minister to the Jews who required such signs and wonders to believe, This was never a statement made to Christians and does not apply today. False. Christ said WHOEVER believes in me [link to biblehub.com] |
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natalie (OP) User ID: 50318129 United States 08/26/2015 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Great Commission …19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." |
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Zaphnath Paaneah User ID: 61920900 Philippines 08/26/2015 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was talking to His disciples, not Christians. They were given supernatural powers and even the ability to forgive sin. They were sent out only to minister to the Jews who required such signs and wonders to believe, This was never a statement made to Christians and does not apply today. False. Christ said WHOEVER believes in me [link to biblehub.com] Jesus' message was exclusive to the Jews. He was not talking to Christians when He said these things. "A religion that gives nothing, costs nothing, and suffers nothing, is worth nothing." ~ Martin Luther "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Philippians 2:3-4 [link to www.badjao.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30898381 United States 08/26/2015 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked that question and the answer that unfolded to me was astonishing. Being of European descent, I was raised Roman Catholic. Around 1968, I walked out never to look back again. I have sampled many Protestant churches but am severely disappointed with their dead social prosperity gospel. THEN, I discovered Dr. Michael Lake who recently released his book, "The Shinar Directive". Its all about Babylon and the first anti-christ wanna-be, a great grandson of Noah named Nimrod.(AKA, Osiris, Gilgamesh, and other names depending on the culture) The Babylonian system is alive and engulfing the planet today, right now. All the Protestant churches started in the whore church of Rome, that is why they still stink like their mother. There is an obelisk in St Peter's court yard, what ever they call it, at the vatican, same as the washington monument, it is Nimrod's male member. Yup, The queen of heaven, the Black Madonna, and all that horse hocky, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome is Nimrod and his mother, who he married.(Greek mythology?) I had been concerned that they are trashing ancient sites over there looking for Nimrod's corpse so they could clone him but the man of God who killed Nimrod cut him into pieces and sent a piece to each city to warn Nimrod's followers to cease and desist. Read the story of Osiris, Isis, and Set. That is Nimrod and his woman as told in Egypt. Nimrod's uncle founded Egypt. In order to get miracles in the Christian church we need to first understand that our LORD was a Jewish Rabbi, not a Babylonian deity. Do your homework and be free. |
Zaphnath Paaneah User ID: 61920900 Philippines 08/26/2015 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No it wasn't if it was He wouldn't have a said go into all the world and teach them everything I taught you Quoting: natalie As I said already, the ministry of Jesus was exclusively to the Jews. And the great commission was to the disciples to preach the kingdom of God, not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The great commission was fulfilled in the first century and no longer applies to the Church today. "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6). And this mission to the Jews only continued for several years after the resurrection of Jesus as can be seen in Acts 11:19 " Now those who had been scattered by the persecution that broke out when Stephen was killed traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, spreading the word only among Jews." It is not until verse 20 that we first find evidence that the Gospel was being preached to others, but it was not the correct message for that audience. "Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus." It was later in the book of Acts chapter 15 (Too long to post the entire chapter) that the two messages were debated and it was it was agreed upon that the message that would go out to the world from that time forward would be the one that Paul was teaching. All did not agree however and this caused a strong disagreement between Paul and Barnabas. I suggest that you read this Chapter to get a better picture. Paul even referred to this as "his" gospel; "This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." (Romans 2:16) Now to Him who has the power to establish you according to my Gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began, (Romans 16:25) So as you can see there were two different audiences and messages for each. Jesus, and the original 12 disciples clearly had a different mission than Paul and the Church today. Paul teaches us that Jesus is now the ascended Lord and no longer the earthly Messiah that came to the Jews. "A religion that gives nothing, costs nothing, and suffers nothing, is worth nothing." ~ Martin Luther "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Philippians 2:3-4 [link to www.badjao.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69019463 United Kingdom 08/26/2015 04:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you belive in stigmata you could say that this is a sign of Faith, just as healing and exorcism. As for moving mountains, is anyones Faith that steong? I've seen something which makes me 100% certain that the opposition side exists and so I do fear what lies beyond death but I'm still a 21st century human with all the rationality that entails. So yeas my Faith is there but it is tempered with an irrational doubt. |