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Preparation for Power Outages in Winter

 
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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
 Quoting: Azaziah


Basic thermodynamics aside, I know of a case where some of our air base employees who left a northern tier military base to try and make it home in a blizzard -100 F chill factor survived 3 days in their car trapped in that blizzard, and having some long burning candles gave them that extra few degrees of heat that made a difference in the car I have always carried survival blanket ( Mylar) , fire making and candles in my car ever since and sell car emergency survival kits at craft fairs...
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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
 Quoting: Azaziah


I think it is the same thing because it has a "low oxygen shut-off valve", which is a good feature but it says to me I'd still have to ventilate the room. Right?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


The cut-off is only if there is a malfunction of some sort. You do NOT have to vent the heated space.
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Edit 2: Consider a plan for shutting off water to avoid burst pipes. Or, keep "warm area" near the water supply.

Edit 1: Oops. Did not notice you were in a city. If you have no yard, Sauna option is probably infeasible.

Two immediate ideas to add to whatever you gather.

Neighbor plan: If you have nearby neighbors, consider a plan to join in one house to limit fuel consumption, whether kerosene stove, wood stove, etc.

Sauna: I saw one guy online (here at GLP?) who has a wood-burning sauna as emergency warm house. Its small size limits the amount of fuel you need. If built correctly, they are well insulated and appropriately vented.

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I wish I had 5000 dollars to buy a wood burning stove like that. Would be awesome, but I am broke.
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They're not that expensive. They have small ones at Menards that used to be $300. I'm sure they are higher now, but not $5000. That is more the price of a solar generator. The problem is that the EPA has limited the use of wood burning stoves.

If I were 20yrs. younger, I'd move to Alsaka and have an apt with a wood burning stove. They are very common there.
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My parents live in a suburb right next to a major city. There was no problem getting them a wood-burning stove. We even cooked on it during an ice storm!
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


There's lots of Portable Propane heaters. Propane stores well get a couple of 20 lbs grill bottles and an adapter to fill the 2 # bottles from the bigger bottles.

[link to www.walmart.com]
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Great post! I wish I had some advice but the wood stove is

all I got and I need to get one too, never did.
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


Look up kandle heeter product, and research ways to make a room heater from clay pots and tea candles. You can store this stuff in a small place. If no doom you may be able to lower your energy cost this winter. Have really warm sleeping bag and blankets - focus on being able to keep one room space reasonably comfortable. Even have a tent to pitch in your home and that will help hold your body heat.
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I tried this last winter and it actually works- in a small room. You just need clay pots and candles- pretty darn simple and cheap. I was wondering if I had bigger clay pots and bigger candles if it would make a noticeable difference in heat output or probably a better idea is to use a couple of the pots in the room. Going to try it this winter. Stock up on several clay pots and lots of candles,matches- your good to go. Good idea to have some heavy blankets to put up and keep the heat in better.hf
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 Quoting: Luxen


You can actually cook on those too if the pots are small enough and don't cut off oxygen to the candles.
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I'm right there OP! Midwest, small town. Cooking is your major concern.
Do you have a tent? Body heat will keep the hypothermia away. Cooking and subterfuge is a major concern.
Do you have rural friends?
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Two immediate ideas to add to whatever you gather.

Neighbor plan: If you have nearby neighbors, consider a plan to join in one house to limit fuel consumption, whether kerosene stove, wood stove, etc.

Sauna: I saw one guy online (here at GLP?) who has a wood-burning sauna as emergency warm house. Its small size limits the amount of fuel you need. If built correctly, they are well insulated and appropriately vented.
 Quoting: SoulWinner


I don't have enough food to feed my neighbors and neither of them have any idea of what is going on. One LOVES Obama and anything liberal and progressive. I'm afraid to even let her know what I think about the future. She might turn me in when the you-know-what hits the fan.

My other neighbor is so busy being a single mother and working 12hr. days and I'm sure she'd think I was a nutty old lady if I told her what is going on. But she is not from the U.S. and could escape to her home country.

I don't mean to be disagreeable but I am a female with limited funds so if I build something and spend all of my money on that, I will have no money to escape if necessary, although my car is too new for me to escape in an EMP.

I'm older and on chemo so I'm limited. I can't even get water up two flights so I'm pretty much stuck in my apartment. Anyplace that I added here would be very vulnerable to the neighborhood. I'd love to use the garage for storage but the door could be easily knocked down.

I would have moved south last year instead of just outside the city but it's hard when you no longer work. That's how you meet people. When you're retired its harder to meet people so I was afraid to move out of state though I hate this blue state. Thought about N. Carolina, but apparently I made the wrong decision and now I have to deal with it because the money is almost gone.

I know it's a little late to think about these things but I guess I was in denial. So many things on GLP never happen but I can't use that as an excuse anymore because I know Bible prophecy. Bad things are coming. I'm stuck in an apartment near a city and need to assure that myself and my pets can survive an EMP attack or a false flag on the electrical grid.

There have to be many people here in the same situation and I hear nothing. Maybe they think they can use the stove as someone suggested or they think they can go to Mom and Dad's house or maybe they have fireplaces in their houses. I don't know. I moved last year and wasnt' thinking about these things, unfortunately.
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Craypots' with tea lights and solar panels? Good luck.
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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
 Quoting: Azaziah


I used to build those heaters.
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My parents live in a suburb right next to a major city. There was no problem getting them a wood-burning stove. We even cooked on it during an ice storm!
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How did they vent it so it doesn't send smoke over to the next door neighbors? I'm on the second floor so the duct would have to go out the window and up. Would that cause the smoke to come back into my apt.?
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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
 Quoting: Azaziah


I used to build those heaters.
 Quoting: Quetzal785


Well, I guess you should know. I might order one. What happens to the propane as it breaks down? Would it give off any fumes that I may not smell, but might kill my birds? Over-heated Teflon will kill birds. Thanks
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start eating a lot right now, you need to put on extra weight thats the best prep anyone can do.
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start eating a lot right now, you need to put on extra weight thats the best prep anyone can do.
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Solid advice! You'll need it! Build your endurance. How far can you run? Do you have children?
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


Look up kandle heeter product, and research ways to make a room heater from clay pots and tea candles. You can store this stuff in a small place. If no doom you may be able to lower your energy cost this winter. Have really warm sleeping bag and blankets - focus on being able to keep one room space reasonably comfortable. Even have a tent to pitch in your home and that will help hold your body heat.
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Thanks! They're on my list now.
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Blankets, blankets, blankets!

Also, get a tent so you can clear your living room of furniture and set it up to sleep in. It will hold in body heat better than a large room.

Get a dog or two or three if you like classic rock.
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I read some accounts of people who survived the war in Bosnia.. Proper Clothing & Blankets.. Small hobo / rocket stove that could burn anything vented out window for cooking.. The lady said in the end anything that could be burned took on value.. She said everything that could burned was taken and burned.. From Library books to demolished building to kids toys..
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What is a small hobo/rocket stove?
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Blankets, blankets, blankets!

Also, get a tent so you can clear your living room of furniture and set it up to sleep in. It will hold in body heat better than a large room.

Get a dog or two or three if you like classic rock.
 Quoting: FireInCairo


Solid advise! Be prepared to run. The "hoard" will come for you. They will kill you as a food source.
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i don't want to think about winter right now!

But winter is coming!

:cryin:
 Quoting: Astral Goat


I know. I'm sad too! We haven't had normal seasons in a few years, since the blizzard that left LSD filled with stalled cars. It's been extremely cold, last year cold and with no snow. And this year is supposed to be cold in the Midwest and with a lot of snow. We'll see. It just seems that summer has become a very short break from winter: July to August.
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wood stove and lots of wood!

until the EPA comes to shut you down
 Quoting: Astral Goat


Best answer yet. Install it, use it only when you have to. Stock up on cordwood before each winter. It is the only source of heat that does not require money or city services, just a strong back.
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I'm right there OP! Midwest, small town. Cooking is your major concern.
Do you have a tent? Body heat will keep the hypothermia away. Cooking and subterfuge is a major concern.
Do you have rural friends?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69623707



The rural areas are at LEAST 50-75 miles away now. The suburbs have grown out to rural areas. I have family 180 miles away but they live in a medium sized city so they will be scrambling. Everyone in my family is asleep.
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I already have a stand alone 500 gallon propane gas tank, but I picked up a Troy-Bilt XP 7000-Running Watts Portable Generator yesterday just in case. It's nice... it'll run the well, and a whole lot of other things, not the whole house, but I'll make it just fine. The only thing that bothers me about generators, they're so dang loud.

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Buy a Texas Fireframe for your fireplace.
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What is that?
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