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Iran and Turkey Prepare for War in Iraqi Kurdistan

 
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A new Middle East war is in the offing. DEBKAfile’s exclusive military sources in Iraq and sources in Iran reveal that Turkish and Iranian air units as well as armored, paratroop, special operations and artillery forces are poised for an imminent coordinated invasion of the northern Iraqi autonomous province of Kurdistan.

Our sources pinpoint the target of the combined Iranian-Turkish offensive as the Quandil Mountains (see picture), where some 5,000 Kurdish rebels from Turkey and Iran, members of the PKK and PJAK respectively, are holed up. Iranian and Turkish assault troops are already deployed 7-8 km deep inside Iraqi territory.

Turkey to the northwest and Iran to the east both have Kurdish minorities which have been radicalized by the emergence of Iraqi Kurdistan in the last three years. The three contiguous Kurdish regions form a strategic world hub.

A jittery Washington foresees a Kurdish-Iranian military thrust quickly flaring into a comprehensive conflict and igniting flames that would envelop the whole of Iraqi Kurdistan as well as southern Turkey and Armenia.

Tehran is quite capable of using the opening for its expeditionary force to grab extensive parts of Kurdistan and strike a strategic foothold in northern Iraq.

Informed US officials would not be surprised if Turkey took the chance of seizing northern Iraqi oil fields centered on the oil-rich town of Kirkuk, the source of 40 percent of Iraq’s oil output.


When he met US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice in New York Thursday, Sept. 21, Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gul said: “When we talk about Kirkuk, everybody supposes we want to bring the Kurdish-Turkish issue to the foreground. However, we instead see the uncertainty there as a general issue of Iraq. We are concerned that instability and turmoil in Kirkuk could cause more troubles in Iraq.”
Referring to the recently appointed special US coordinator Gen. Joseph Ralston, Gul expressed his hope that a resolution would be imminent.

The threat was implicit and impatient. Washington was given to infer that Ankara is on the point of deciding whether or not to capture Kirkuk, a step that would undermine a pivotal political and economic base of the Baghdad government and harm US interests in Iraq.

This conversation, which was not nearly as amicable as it looked from the press photos, was clouded by a disturbing incident: A semi-official American military publication recently ran a new map showing parts of Turkish and Armenian territory marked “Kurdistan.”

This map fueled suspicions in Ankara and the Armenian capital Yerevan that the US high military command was in on a plan for Iraqi Kurdish forces led by President Jalal Talabani and Masoud Barzani to help themselves to territory in Turkey and Armenia in a counter-attack to a potential Turkish-Iranian military move in Kurdistan.

This kind of mistrust has lent wings to Ankara’s resolve to go forward against Kurdistan - the sooner the better.

To cool tempers and restrain the Turks, the US ambassador to Turkey, Ross Wilson, stood up in Ankara on Sept 19 and promised: “Northern Iraq won’t serve as a PKK base in the future.” In a speech at a meeting entitled "Agenda 2006," Wilson stated that the map published in an unofficial U.S. military magazine showing parts of Turkish and Armenian territory under the domination of a republic called "Kurdistan" doesn't reflect the official policy of the US.




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I detest Saddam Hussein but Bush & Co have made more of a disaster of Iraq and caused more distress to Iraqis and its neighboring countries, even the world, than Hussein ever could.

If there is a future that will be recorded, GW Bush will be remembered for being a war-mongering, ego maniac single-handedly being held responsible for starting World War III. Why is this man not in jail or impeached!!!

abomb
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I detest Saddam Hussein but Bush & Co have made more of a disaster of Iraq and caused more distress to Iraqis and its neighboring countries, even the world, than Hussein ever could.
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Thats all part of the plan, order out of chaos, as they say. As the middle east is being represented by the fathers house/mars, it is this spirit they are trying to implode. As the middle east implodes and bares fruit it will do a 90 degree shift to the north dominated by the UN. Those blue blood mercurians represent the singularity, one light one truth one spirit one world order....order out of chaos as they say
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Ordo ab Chao.
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Iran and Turkey want to split the spoils. But Bush and Co might not be too happy about it seeing as how the USA stole it fair and square in the first place.

Things could get 'intresting.'
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Iran and Turkey want to split the spoils. But Bush and Co might not be too happy about it seeing as how the USA stole it fair and square in the first place.

Things could get 'intresting.'
 Quoting: 19.47™


Yes they could. I'm thinking that it was "stolen" in the first place to keep Iraqi oil off the market, thus driving prices up.
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This should be pinned.

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This should be pinned.

bump bump bump bump bump
 Quoting: D. Bunker ™

and after that? :P
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So THATS why they let Turkey join the EU

Aha!

It's all coming clear ...

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Free the Kurds!! They don't want to be tied to their enemies. yoda
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Here they are in todays news . . .

[link to www.indiadaily.com]
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My heart goes out to the Kurdish People.

Curse the ones who seek to do them harm.
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Turkey will be the straw that breaks the camels back. The camels name is peace.
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So THATS why they let Turkey join the EU

Aha!

It's all coming clear ...

Javier Solana drevil
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Turkey is not in the EU.

They have been denied membership for years.
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Nice catch.

I am suitably impressed - and I do not impress easily.

From time to time, I remind myself why I take not only "work time", but also "personal time" to visit GLP. There are many open eyes here, which means that we need to work on the cloak a bit more.

So much the better.
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The Peace Conference in Lausanne-Switzerland 1928 assigned the Kurds from all three countries, Iran,Irak, Turkey their own Kurdistan.
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[link to abcnews.go.com]



Iraq's feuding ethnic and sectarian groups agreed Sunday to consider amending the constitution and begin debating legislation to create a federated nation, while the Shiite prime minister appealed for an end to violence during Ramadan.

Despite Nouri al-Maliki's plea for peace, violence killed at least 20 Iraqis and wounded 37 a day before the official start of the Muslim holy month. Two U.S. Marines died in combat in restive Anbar province west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Shiite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish political leaders broke a two-week deadlock and agreed on a compromise that will allow parliament to take up Shiite-proposed draft legislation to permit creation of partly self-ruling regions.
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Is Turkey Changing Sides?
Perspective on the news by Jack Kelley



In the Qandil (Kandil) Mountains, where Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria all meet lies the ancestral homeland of the Kurds, known in history as the Medes, who were partners with Persia in defeating Babylon.



The Kurds call this area Kurdistan, but the land they refer to technically belongs to the four neighbors mentioned above, none of whom want to give it up. Turkey is perhaps the most determined, having suffered numerous terrorist attacks at the hand of the PUK, a group of militant Kurdish separatists. One of the reasons that Turkey refused to help in the current war in Iraq is that the USA refused to deny the Kurds a voice in governing post-war Iraq.



Turkey has been legitimately afraid that in return for Kurdish assistance in deposing Saddam Hussein (it was the Kurds who located Saddam and tipped off US troops) the US would permit at least unofficial attempts to establish a Kurdish homeland on land that Turkey claims. Turkey has maintained up to 20,000 troops on its border with Iraq to prevent such a move.



And in fact the US has been vacillating on the Kurdish issue, even publishing a map of the region showing the presence of a Kurdish entity. US officials later claimed it didn't accurately reflect US policy. Turkey is skeptical.



Iran sees this situation as an opportunity to further strengthen its regional position and has teamed up with Turkey to assist in removing a force of 5000 PPK soldiers from the area where Iran abuts Iraq in the Qandil Mountains. According to several news and intelligence sources they already have positioned troops some 7-8 km inside Iraq and have begun shelling the mountain hideouts. The situation for Turkey offers some big incentives. Not only do they get help in spanking the PPK, but have made it known that they have their eye on Kirkuk, an Iraqi city in the area that produces 40% of Iraq's oil output, and that Turkey had made claim to before.



For its part Iran also sees a chance grab a chunk of Northern Iraq for itself. In addition Iran wants to destroy forward intelligence positions the Israelis may have secretly placed among the Kurds to help them receive the earliest possible warning of an Iranian attack on Israel. Knocking out these posts would give the Iranians two significant victories against the Israelis within the span of just a few months, the war in Lebanon being the other. The loss of this intelligence would no doubt reduce the possibility for a successful US-Israeli attack against Iran, too. Russian and Iranian intelligence experts are both predicting such an attack before the end of 2006.



Many observers believe it's already too late to stop the Turkey-Iran initiative. The question is whether it will blossom into yet another Mid-East war pitting the US, Iraq, and Israel against Iran, Turkey, and possibly Syria.



Students of prophecy should follow these developments closely. Turkey is felt by most to be a modern component along with Armenia of the Beth Togarmah mentioned in Ezekiel 38:6. We've long said that as long as Turkey is aligned with the west Ezekiel 38 can't happen. Bringing Turkey into the Moslem alliance against Israel would remove one more roadblock to its fulfillment. There aren't many left.
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The Peace Conference in Lausanne-Switzerland 1928 assigned the Kurds from all three countries, Iran,Irak, Turkey their own Kurdistan.
 Quoting: Mona Lisa 147768



What war was this?
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LAUSANNE, TREATY OF
1922–23. The peace treaty (see Sèvres, Treaty of ) imposed by the Allies on the Ottoman Empire after World War I had virtually destroyed Turkey as a national state. The treaty was not recognized by the nationalist government under Mustafa Kemal Pasha (later known as Atatürk ). After the nationalist victory over the Greeks and the overthrow of the sultan, Kemal's government was in a position to request a new peace treaty. Accordingly, the signatories of the Treaty of Sèvres and delegates of the USSR (excluded from the previous treaty) met at Lausanne, Switzerland. After lengthy negotiations a peace treaty was signed in 1923. Turkey recovered E Thrace, several Aegean islands, a strip along the Syrian border, the Smyrna district, and the internationalized Zone of the Straits, which, however, was to remain demilitarized and remain subject to an international convention (see Dardanelles ). Turkey recovered full sovereign rights over all its territory, and foreign zones of influence and capitulations (see Ottoman Empire ) were abolished. Outside the Zone of the Straits, no limitation was imposed on the Turkish military establishment. No reparations were exacted. In return, Turkey renounced all claims on former Turkish territories outside its new boundaries and undertook to guarantee the rights of its minorities. A separate agreement between Greece and Turkey provided for the compulsory exchange of minorities.

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Apparently, this conflicts with the British Mandate.

I believe the British Mandate would supercede this. It is with the U.N. and the other is with the defunct League of Nations.

Too bad, though. They should still have their own country. Without a doubt. They deserve it.

The U.S. has betrayed these people many times. Robert Baer discusses it at length in "See no Evil". A great book.
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[link to abcnews.go.com]



Iraq's feuding ethnic and sectarian groups agreed Sunday to consider amending the constitution and begin debating legislation to create a federated nation, while the Shiite prime minister appealed for an end to violence during Ramadan.

Despite Nouri al-Maliki's plea for peace, violence killed at least 20 Iraqis and wounded 37 a day before the official start of the Muslim holy month. Two U.S. Marines died in combat in restive Anbar province west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Shiite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish political leaders broke a two-week deadlock and agreed on a compromise that will allow parliament to take up Shiite-proposed draft legislation to permit creation of partly self-ruling regions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147586



Yes, well, the article I posted earlier said that Al Sadr will not accept an area without any oil. That seems a bit more practical.

This ABC article is from today, and so was mine. Very different reporting on the same day about the same issue.

Very interestinnnnnng!
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Turkey is not in the EU.

They have been denied membership for years.
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Exactly, thanks to Greece due to the unresolved issue over Cyprus. Greece never feel comfortable of having Turkey a NATO ally and becoming an EU member-state.
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Turkey is not in the EU.

They have been denied membership for years.


Exactly, thanks to Greece due to the unresolved issue over Cyprus. Greece never feel comfortable of having Turkey a NATO ally and becoming an EU member-state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 121702



It's not only Cyprus, it's their laws that still have remnants of Islamic sharia.

What is the big question is what happens to NATO if Turkey attacks a country that has U.S. troops stationed there?

Do they forfeit NATO membership?

I think they will have to.
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[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]


....Mr Erdogan told Turkish television: “Either the EU will decide to become a world force and a world player, which would show its political maturity, or it will limit itself to a Christian club.”

Opponents of Turkish membership claim that the country is too big, too poor and too culturally different to join the EU. With the EU in crisis over the rejection of its constitution by French and Dutch voters, they claim that it is not capable of absorbing the Muslim country.

Opinion polls show that the majority of EU citizens are opposed to Turkey’s membership, with opposition particularly high in Austria, France, Germany and the Netherlands.
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It's not only Cyprus, it's their laws that still have remnants of Islamic sharia.

What is the big question is what happens to NATO if Turkey attacks a country that has U.S. troops stationed there?

Do they forfeit NATO membership?

I think they will have to.
 Quoting: Kay 72054


Yes, most of the country have remnants of Islamic sharia but here's the thing: the government of Turkey is largely secular with a mixture of Sunni, Shia and other non-Islamic groups in the parliamentarian democratic fashion. The government is actually "controlled" by its own military which traced to the Ottoman Turk Empire's military. The military is what keep the Islamic fundamentalists from taking over Turkey.

Although a democracy under Islam and secularism, Turkey is the paradox of the Middle East.

The Turks are ethnically different from the Arabs, the Persian-Iranians, the Kurds and the Yemeni. They are considered to be far more progressive than all of the peoples in the Mideast. The Arabs and the Iranians have a historic disdain for the Turks, even they're all Muslims!

Turkey, the paradox of the Middle East... the red-headed stepchild of Islam.
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Still, Islamic Fundamentalists took many seats in the recent elections in Turkey... they are said to be gaining momentum.
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Still, Islamic Fundamentalists took many seats in the recent elections in Turkey... they are said to be gaining momentum.
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Thanks again to America.

It is the best Da'wa ever made, this Iraqi invasion...

It is strengthening th Ummah worldwide, and making normal secular Muslims into radicals of the worst degree.

The more clear evil becomes from good, the more people will run to fundamental Islam, because they can clearly see what America and Israel is all about.

Like night and day, and black and white, fundemental Islam has become the ultimate "Anti-America", the ultimate good, to fight the ultimate bad.
The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

- Hugo Chavez.
Kay
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It was before that...

it was the reason why they didn't give us lee-way through Turkey to go into Iraq.
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By the way, Islamic Guy, did you know that Redhead Stepchild's son and husband were currently serving in Iraq?

She can tell you whether or not 30,000 men have died there recently.

I'll ask her...
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My heart goes out to the Kurdish People.

Curse the ones who seek to do them harm.

SNIP



Of course no-one ever talks about the Kurdish genocide of the Amenains where they killed 1 - 1.5 million men, women and children early last century
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My heart goes out to the Kurdish People.

Curse the ones who seek to do them harm.

SNIP



Of course no-one ever talks about the Kurdish genocide of the Amenains where they killed 1 - 1.5 million men, women and children early last century
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147792



Say, I just did a search on the Armenian genocide, and all these say it was the Turks:
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