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Enlightened George
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My 10 year old grandson wants to do a very unusual science project for his school. He wants to prove, through physical science, that the three buildings on 9/11 2001 came down by controlled demolition. I have to admit that I am the catalyst for this because I have often talked to his father, My son-in-law, about 911 being an inside job and why. Of course he thinks I am a conspiracy theorist and is dismayed about what my grandson wants to do. I am in a quandry. Should I encourage him to go ahead and risk possible problems with school authorities over this controversial project or should I try and discourage it?

I am proud that my grandson is a free thinker and not afraid to tackle a task that could bring who knows what kind of repercussions down on him.

What do you think as i respect my GLP friend's opinions.
Thanks in advance.....
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bot did you screw that kid up

if the teacher is smart you'll get an F
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09/25/2006 06:42 PM
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Thanks George


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I think this is a little too intense for a 10 year old ... it will just turn into a parent cluster - f***. teach the kid good values and he will develop his own politics. if you forcefeed him yours this young - your likely to create a right winger (remember how you viewed your parents politics)
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You're asking advice on HERE????

You might as well use an ouji brd!
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i don't think i'd encourage him. he's just a kid. he won't need this noteriety. we're talking serious business, that will attract a LOT of hate. JMO.
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I am proud that my grandson is a free thinker and not afraid to tackle a task that could bring who knows what kind of repercussions down on him.
 Quoting: Enlightened George



You should encourage him as a free thinker and explain to him that sometimes being your own person can bring ridicule, but he should never stop thinking for himself and not be a sheep.

The school may surprise you and may just look at it the same way.

If not, call the ACLU.

Kids these days are very smart and a lot more open minded than most adults.
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Free thinking is important to growth but I am a firm believer that a 10 yr old should be seen and not heard.

Although its a brilliant project, his future respect by others is far more important and I'm sure you would rather see him grow up as a bright child not a smart-ass which will be the label should he proceed in the other direction
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dont let him do it george and quite talking if is he isnt around, make sure he is in the conversation and show him the posi peacetive that we will all experience through 911, like learninmg not to beleive what we see at first and having compassion for those who lost loved ones/
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free thinkers are unwanted in public schools and even some private. perhaps you and your grandson can do a project at home and a different one at school? to be that young and be set up in the school isn't fair to the child.
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Screwing the kid up is more like the bi-product of the after effect on this little project. I call it a project because that is what this is to you, right? Even if you don't want to admit it, you are placing your views on your grandchild and having him execute them. Keep in mind of his audience too. Are 10 year old students really the target audience for a project like this? And, will your grandson be the center of the contrversy when it comes time to place blame? How will he handle this kind of pressure? How will it effect your relations with his parents?

Are your views really so important that a 10 year old's reputation and mental state should be put on the front lines just to expose them to a group who are more than likely interested in cartoons and candy?

Think about it....
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I think 10 is too young. You are obvoisly influencing him.
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I am proud that my grandson is a free thinker and not afraid to tackle a task that could bring who knows what kind of repercussions down on him.



You should encourage him as a free thinker and explain to him that sometimes being your own person can bring ridicule, but he should never stop thinking for himself and not be a sheep.

The school may surprise you and may just look at it the same way.

If not, call the ACLU.

Kids these days are very smart and a lot more open minded than most adults.
 Quoting: Atma

I am inclined this way but I have others who see differently. I really want to do the right thing because my grandson and i have a special bond and he will do whatever I suggest. I want to give him the right advice. He is hell bent on doing this project. He has taken all the scientific evidence and believes he can win the science fair with it later after the new year. Please help me with this. My son-in-law and daughter think I have corrupted the dear boy but I feel differently.
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Hey George,

I think it's great that your enlightenment is rubbing off on your grandson! I would say you should encourage him to go ahead with the project.

If he really believes in it then teach him to stand for his belief and reassure him that you are in his corner for support should the need arise, such as school conflict etc...


If anything happens with the school not liking the project you could always bring more attention to the subject and spread the message!

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Wait until the kid is old enough to examine the evidence himself and reach his own conclusion. Forcing your paranoid delusions on him this early will only cause him grief later on.
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How does your grandson already know what the results of his project will be. Has he already done the project? Or is he going to copy someone else's research off the internet? It's not much of a science project if you know beforehand how it's going to turn out.
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Anynomous Coward .... SAME OLD pro governmennt spiel ! FORGET YOU !

Let the kid go ahead, Grandfather. He HAS picked up on the correct line of thinking on this. DON'T back down to the dismal thinking of the controlled sheep.

If NOT now, when ? How long must the LIE fester ?
In any respect, it WILL be a 'lesson' for your grandson in 'control from the TOP' ! Don't wait till he is TOTALLY brainwashed by the liberals who have control of ALL departments in the local colleges. That will be TOO late, IMHO.

As a former science teacher, I think that as a group, most science teachers will accept and defend the right for the child to choose his own project. That said, find out FIRST if the science teacher HAS his tenure. If NOT, ALL bets are OFF, as the principle/board of ed hold this over his head and will probably make trouble.

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I definitely agree wholeheartedly with Atma. In my opinion to dis"courage" his natural inclination to want to do this would thwart his "courage" to express what he believes in....which he will more than likely do throughout his life. Learning that it is not always an easy ride is par for the course.
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You should tell him to look for the truth no matter what it may be. He should not asume what the truth is.
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I am proud that my grandson is a free thinker and not afraid to tackle a task that could bring who knows what kind of repercussions down on him.



You should encourage him as a free thinker and explain to him that sometimes being your own person can bring ridicule, but he should never stop thinking for himself and not be a sheep.

The school may surprise you and may just look at it the same way.

If not, call the ACLU.

Kids these days are very smart and a lot more open minded than most adults.

I am inclined this way but I have others who see differently. I really want to do the right thing because my grandson and i have a special bond and he will do whatever I suggest. I want to give him the right advice. He is hell bent on doing this project. He has taken all the scientific evidence and believes he can win the science fair with it later after the new year. Please help me with this. My son-in-law and daughter think I have corrupted the dear boy but I feel differently.
 Quoting: Enlightened George



search you heart - if it was his idea, help him flesh it out - if YOU are using him to act out your own emotions you are like those carzy sports parents

I wish you luck with your choice
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Got C-4?
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Encourage jr, this is the kind of truth you can feel in your gut and it should be supported and known at all costs.
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BRAVO George for having such a brave grandson. As long as he presents his case, stating it's a 'hypothesis' or a 'possible', he should be free to express his view.

That's what freedom is about, and if he manages to pull it off, he will be a power to be reckoned with!!!!!
hf
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creating tomorrows losers today. Way to go, OP.
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No...because it isn't true.
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BRAVO George for having such a brave grandson. As long as he presents his case, stating it's a 'hypothesis' or a 'possible', he should be free to express his view.

That's what freedom is about, and if he manages to pull it off, he will be a power to be reckoned with!!!!!
hf
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or end up in a camp
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BRAVO George for having such a brave grandson. As long as he presents his case, stating it's a 'hypothesis' or a 'possible', he should be free to express his view.

That's what freedom is about, and if he manages to pull it off, he will be a power to be reckoned with!!!!!
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15183

Thanks. He wants to build scale models of the towers and show the central steel core and how they fell at freefall speed and the whole nine yards. I will help him with this project because I want to and it will be fun and educational for me as well.... If I decide to encourage him. He really is a very smart lad and has mind of his own.
I just want to do the right thing here.
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My son-in-law and daughter think I have corrupted the dear boy but I feel differently.
 Quoting: Enlightened George

Listen to his parents and stop corrupting him. Little boys will go to big lengths to please their Grandfathers, but what if you're wrong? If he really is a free thinker, it's nothing to do with you - it's his god-given character. You should encourage him in critical thinking, but not to adopt your points of view.
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BRAVO George for having such a brave grandson. As long as he presents his case, stating it's a 'hypothesis' or a 'possible', he should be free to express his view.

That's what freedom is about, and if he manages to pull it off, he will be a power to be reckoned with!!!!!
hf

Thanks. He wants to build scale models of the towers and show the central steel core and how they fell at freefall speed and the whole nine yards. I will help him with this project because I want to and it will be fun and educational for me as well.... If I decide to encourage him. He really is a very smart lad and has mind of his own.
I just want to do the right thing here.
 Quoting: Enlightened George

you might check with the science fair teacher - could be an issue. if he has a real problem, maybe you can volunteer as a helper - I did that and it was great
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In all seriousness, it is more than clear that no 10yr old came to this conclusion on his own and it's unlikely that a 10yr old could understand the physics involved in proving or disproivng his hypothesis. For these reasons, I don't think it's a suitable science project for a child of this age.

The complexity is beyond his realm of understanding, AND most likely his teacher's too. Teachers see many a parent's science project presented in a child's name, don't be one of them. It would likely affect is grade. The goal is to instill a love of scientific learning through hands-on experience not through watching an adult do it for them.

I'm very involved in my grandson's life as well so perhaps, with his parents' permission, you could find a more suitable project to do together.
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Help him go for it, George. He will be proud of himself his entire life for doing it. When I was in 3rd grade, I did a presentation about the hazards of nuclear waste. My teacher was pissed, but I did such a thorough job on the research, she oculdn't refute anything I said. I gained the respect of my classmates that day. Most of all, I gained respect for myself.





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